Finally got a sub 5 minute run. I saved more time than I thought I would. I imagined we would get just under 5 minutes but here we are. Watch live at: / darkjay
This is incredible, in every sense of the word. You've taken a game that takes me over an hour to beat and did it in less time than it takes for me to make popcorn.
Michael Meng fast mode doesnt change much of your time, that's been a while that most of my runs are sub 30 minutes, and i don't use fast mode. It's more about practice than software.
You're probably right lol. I just got the game for a few hours when I posted the previous comment, and 10 hours into the game I find myself on Act 3 often around the 20 minute mark. So gameplay is definitely more vital to time.
@@usr196 But then there's the walk back and forth to the kitchen, which is a minute away, and a few seconds to get the unpopped popcorn out of the closet.
for those still wondering, there was a bug that let you cancel out of dialogs/choices, it's used 2x here: one to cancel the transform on pandora's box which ends up removing all strikes/defends, and one that cancels receiving the curse on necronomicon. Patched out, which is why this run uses the unpatched version. At that point it's just str buffing, vulnerable, and philosophers stone on 3rd map to wombo combo every time. you could easily theoretically get faster just with better RNG in shops and card rewards (if you get buffed cards you don't need to spend any time in smithing and could potentially buy a relic that is better gold spent) but the odds of even getting THIS rng (with glitches version) is pretty low to begin with to somehow improve on that... pretty low chance.
The only thing I had trouble following was the Pandora’s Box glitch. He was halfway through the City by the time I realized he was on a 5-card deck and I had to rewind and re-watch that part about 4 times before I realized what was going on. Felt mildly cheated at first, because I thought I’d been missing out on the option to just dump all my strikes and defends for free off a single relic, but reading that it’s a patched-out glitch makes me feel slightly better now. 😅
@@PMCPN "for those still wondering, there was a bug that let you cancel out of dialogs/choices, it's used 2x here: one to cancel the transform on pandora's box which ends up removing all strikes/defends... Patched out, which is why this run uses the unpatched version. " Idk for sure how the glitch works, but og comment pretty clearly says that it cancels the transforming of the blocks and strikes halfway through which removes them but doesn't add the transformed versions
I watched this video on 0.5 speed because he did everything so damn fast, and i just wanted to try and understand what he is doing, jesus christ this is amazing
@@AttilaVoices He's basically doing the following: - Skip as many fights as possible by hitting question marks - Defend as little as possible to save rounds in fights - Search for the exact card build he got (strong turn 1 AoE) - Keep the deck minimal and never pick up cards that don't fit the build (he used some glitch to avoid picking up transformed cards) - Use tricks to skip as many animations as possible (like pressing m after fights to quickly get to the next point on the map)
Yeah, I tried to make a deck with the Silent with only 5 cards using the one card that does 50 damage to all enemies if your hand is empty but I was never able to thin down my deck enough
@@Dylems i think you dont get the point here. Its APOTHEOSIS (*golden noises*) one does not simply not get his hands on the most powerful and shiny card in the game
I was confused as well. Till i went back and watched it in 0.25 speed. He transformed the strikes and defends and then just declined all the cards given. I dont think this is an option anymore as im pretty sure upto 9 card removal for a single relic is WAY overpowered
Guys, how did his deck go from 12 cards to 4 cards at 1:49? Is taking the cards Pandoras box gives voluntary? If so it's one of the best relics in the game lmao
the only problems i have with WR like this are that when the glitch used to get it is removed (not taking cards glitch using the map key) then it is near impossible for other to compete. with that in mind each time a WR making/breaking glitch is found/removed it changes the entire game for speedrunning. honestly the pandoras box glitch alone is equivalent to remtoving 9 cards leaving you with only a single hand.
I don’t know if it’s still works, but it was possible to cancel the card gain. So Pandora would transform the cards but you glitch them out of your deck by going into settings.
@@matheusandim What's the glitch? Skipping the card transformation from pandora's box at 1:50? (Reduces his deck from like 12 cards to 4 cards instantly)
1:50 Someone explain to me how transforming all strikes and defends somehow instead removed them from the deck, because I'm very confused. Was that a glitch that happened at the time, or am I missing some interaction somewhere?
I guess it was a glitch involving exiting before the cards are actually added to the deck? They returned to the map before seeing them, so that’s all I can imagine
if it was seeded, i don’t see why they wouldn’t try again. this run was amazing but not entirely flawless, some seconds could be shaved. and we all know how speedrunners feel about shaving seconds
Its a known bug and an exploit speedrunners use. If u press the map key (not sure about this) when its supposed to show you the cards that were transformed you just lose all of them instead of keeping them in the deck. So you are left with only the stuff you added + bash.
Here with a really late analysis After watching at 0.25x he had opened the map when he took the box and it gave him the cards but he hit the return button from the map deleting them.
Thumos that’s what I was thinking the whole time. That flex-shockwave-necronomicon-whirlwind combo worked out pretty ideally for this type of run. If I had to guess I would wager north of 75 runs.
local man watches jojo and then proceeds to flex his muscles and spin with a greatsword in his hand killing hundred of innocent monsters in a span of four minutes
glich speedrun in a game like this, is not so excited. But need to say, congratulations, i am several hours playing this hell game and have not yet finished it. A lot of dedication to do this speedrun, rly congratulation!
Yep, this also holds for Duplication Potions, and the "play twice" cards (Double Tap, Burst, Echo Form, Omniscience -- although Omniscience is pretty expensive so you need a lot of energy to then use an X-cost card effectively). Super powerful combo if you can set it up
so is sub 5 with the glitch. all the runs are, for the most part, luck based. Skill definitely comes into it, but the skill cieling isnt too high in a card game when it comes to speedrunning. its mostly luck
why did your strikes and defends dissapear from the deck after picking pandoras box? they should've been transformed, not removed from your deck? also, you didn't get a curse from necronomicon? that curse shouldn't be removable
U forgot that Deca and Donu have artifacts- if you didn't use thunderclap in the end, you could have saved a second or two...(but you probably already know that :)
He used something called the Pandora’s box glitch. I don’t really know how you do it but the result is you remove all your strikes and defends without adding any of the new cards that Pandora’s box offers you.
Яков Втюрин that was a glitch found by killer. You open the map on the necro reward screen, hit the next node then open the map again. It brings the reward screen back and lets you take necro without adding the curse to your deck
Wait... how did the pandoras box remove all his strikes and defends and not transform them? Did he cheese the game by moving on before he got the cards?
Actually you can downgrade any games on steam to a previous version, there's a guide right here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1086279994 It's just a bit complicated and ideally you would want to backup your current game files in case anything happens
![[WR] Slay the Spire Speedrun: The Watcher A20 Glitchless 5:30](/img/1.gif)
In the time it would take for this guy to beat the game 5 times, I'd be sitting there still trying to decide if I want to bash lagavulin or block
Almost same though
Easily 1+ hour run. I cant even with that shelled bastard.
lol yeah. Also I'd still lose the run anyways
True
I think that bash is a block anyways
POV: You're chillin in the spire and some warrior comes beyblading in jacked up with steroids and holding a cursed book. You die moments later.
Jaxxed and tan, blade whirling like a storm
You can tell at the end, he just jumped out of his chair in excitement
This is incredible, in every sense of the word. You've taken a game that takes me over an hour to beat and did it in less time than it takes for me to make popcorn.
id recommend opening fast mode (or whatever you call it) to up ur speed. Before i took 70 min to beat, after fast mode about 45 min.
Michael Meng fast mode doesnt change much of your time, that's been a while that most of my runs are sub 30 minutes, and i don't use fast mode. It's more about practice than software.
You're probably right lol. I just got the game for a few hours when I posted the previous comment, and 10 hours into the game I find myself on Act 3 often around the 20 minute mark. So gameplay is definitely more vital to time.
I usually do my popcorn at 2min 30 sec, more than 4min 30 sec is gonna burn your popcorn.
@@usr196 But then there's the walk back and forth to the kitchen, which is a minute away, and a few seconds to get the unpopped popcorn out of the closet.
for those still wondering, there was a bug that let you cancel out of dialogs/choices, it's used 2x here: one to cancel the transform on pandora's box which ends up removing all strikes/defends, and one that cancels receiving the curse on necronomicon. Patched out, which is why this run uses the unpatched version.
At that point it's just str buffing, vulnerable, and philosophers stone on 3rd map to wombo combo every time.
you could easily theoretically get faster just with better RNG in shops and card rewards (if you get buffed cards you don't need to spend any time in smithing and could potentially buy a relic that is better gold spent) but the odds of even getting THIS rng (with glitches version) is pretty low to begin with to somehow improve on that... pretty low chance.
The only thing I had trouble following was the Pandora’s Box glitch. He was halfway through the City by the time I realized he was on a 5-card deck and I had to rewind and re-watch that part about 4 times before I realized what was going on.
Felt mildly cheated at first, because I thought I’d been missing out on the option to just dump all my strikes and defends for free off a single relic, but reading that it’s a patched-out glitch makes me feel slightly better now. 😅
@@OneBiasedOpinion I was trying to figure that out but still haven't fully understood what happened. How did he go from 12 to 4 cards ?
@@PMCPN "for those still wondering, there was a bug that let you cancel out of dialogs/choices, it's used 2x here: one to cancel the transform on pandora's box which ends up removing all strikes/defends... Patched out, which is why this run uses the unpatched version.
"
Idk for sure how the glitch works, but og comment pretty clearly says that it cancels the transforming of the blocks and strikes halfway through which removes them but doesn't add the transformed versions
I watched this video on 0.5 speed because he did everything so damn fast, and i just wanted to try and understand what he is doing, jesus christ this is amazing
Same and i still didn't understand a thing
@@AttilaVoices He's basically doing the following:
- Skip as many fights as possible by hitting question marks
- Defend as little as possible to save rounds in fights
- Search for the exact card build he got (strong turn 1 AoE)
- Keep the deck minimal and never pick up cards that don't fit the build (he used some glitch to avoid picking up transformed cards)
- Use tricks to skip as many animations as possible (like pressing m after fights to quickly get to the next point on the map)
My average clear time is literally 4:30. 4 hours and 30 minutes
You completed this game in the time it takes me to get through a single encounter in act 2. Well played.
A single encounter? You must roll terrible decks
@@gothenmosph5151 You must have no manners. (Or a sense of humor, if you were to say this was a joke)
@@vitorodino8760 you don't have a sense of humor yourself, it was a joke
@@gothenmosph5151 ur trans
this increased my anxiety
*takes 5-7 minutes to beat bosses and elites* *this person literally smashes them in seconds*
Yeah, I tried to make a deck with the Silent with only 5 cards using the one card that does 50 damage to all enemies if your hand is empty but I was never able to thin down my deck enough
This man always has lethal on deck.
Wow congrats. The 3 floor was amazing i doubt anybody is gonna Beat that spontan.
he can't discern english from german, poor soul is stuck in a limbo
spontan = not deliberately, spontaneously;
it's a very common german word
i didn't even relize he cleared floor 2 i was like ah ok so 5 months ago the spire had only 2 floors
Natsu Drachenkind I
@@jhonnylee6685
for me it was similar. after he defeated donu and deca i thought why u stop you loose time.. oh that were already 3 floors.. oh
WAIT YOU FORGOT APOTHEOSI-
Oh wait... you’re already killing everything.
I guess you’re just too good to get it...
whats the point of apotheosis when all your deck is already upgraded ? lol
@@Dylems
i think you dont get the point here. Its
APOTHEOSIS
(*golden noises*)
one does not simply not get his hands on the most powerful and shiny card in the game
@@leichtgesalzener-kabeljaurogge lol
So-called "free thinkers" when Apotheosis appears in the shop
I thought I was watching on x2 speed. Damn good job man!
Yes, good job video-editing. It's obviously fake if you pay attention.
@@20catsRPG just because you're slow as fuck doesn't mean everyone else is. I'm pretty slow and I still managed the sub 20 minute achievement.
@@20catsRPG whoever you are I hope you analyze who you are and eventually decide what to do with your life.
@@20catsRPG I know it was a long time ago you made that comment, but do you care to point out any specific moments where it was faked?
This game actually plays really well on consoles
And on mobile :)
Literally cannot even beat act 3 and it's been weeks since I got this game. Dude does it in 4 mins, np
rip dude try to go for 1 energy relic and 1 utility
Keep trying man. It truly does get better :)
How did you got rid of your cards at the end of 1st floor? Is it a bug?
I was confused as well. Till i went back and watched it in 0.25 speed. He transformed the strikes and defends and then just declined all the cards given. I dont think this is an option anymore as im pretty sure upto 9 card removal for a single relic is WAY overpowered
@@Robertfunman12300 Yea its a glitch with pandora's box that was in the game a while ago where you could remove all strikes and defends
@@georgehall1669 is it patch now ?
Looks like a similar bug was used to dodge the Necronomicurse as well.
@@emlun Necronomivurse only exists on higher ascension levels.
Ah, I see that mom told you to sleep in five minutes.
Guys, how did his deck go from 12 cards to 4 cards at 1:49?
Is taking the cards Pandoras box gives voluntary? If so it's one of the best relics in the game lmao
I wondered that too.
pandora's box glitch. removes all strikes and defends.
@@mwd0884 thanks bruh
@@mwd0884 can you still do the glitch?
@@JoshuaW86 no idea, you can probably google some speedrunning guides that's where i found it
I was going to cook me some ramen and watch this, but came back and it was over. Huh
If he didn't get ceasing top, it would have been even faster. Ceasing top added draw animation after every turn.
what a knowledge of the game man im stuned
this sounds like a kit kat commercial
this dude's eye-hand coordination is unmatched
I was surprised there were 40 minute clear achievement, came youtube to see example, and here is under 5 minutes...
the only problems i have with WR like this are that when the glitch used to get it is removed (not taking cards glitch using the map key) then it is near impossible for other to compete. with that in mind each time a WR making/breaking glitch is found/removed it changes the entire game for speedrunning. honestly the pandoras box glitch alone is equivalent to remtoving 9 cards leaving you with only a single hand.
Different patches have different leaderboards, no?
as someone who has never seen this game before. This is absolutely going too quick for me.
as someone who regularly plays this game, this is absolutely too quick for me
I’ve been interested in knowing, are y’all speedrunners chill with one another? Like is it friendly competition or?
Finally got into this game now that it's on mobile... I felt like I was bad at this before I watched this, now I realize I'm terrible!
It finally happened. The madman...
How did you go from having 12 cards at the end of the first act to having 4 cards at the beginning of the second? What sorcery was that?
Here to ask this. I don't understand how that happened after he grabbed pandora's box
It’s a glitch that speed runners use that exploits Pandora’s
Box.
Why did pandora's box remove all strikes and defends instead of transforming them ? I'm confused
I don’t know if it’s still works, but it was possible to cancel the card gain. So Pandora would transform the cards but you glitch them out of your deck by going into settings.
I refuse to believe this guy isn't living on fast forward.
Can someone explain why is this in the any% category? I don't think I noticed anything fishy
Edit: nvm
no ascension / act 4
And because he used a glitch
@@matheusandim What's the glitch? Skipping the card transformation from pandora's box at 1:50?
(Reduces his deck from like 12 cards to 4 cards instantly)
@@WildlyStapled That was definitely a glitch and people are saying that it has been patched
Ben R act 4 wasn't in the game back then
ascension was around however so it is any%
Holy s**t this makes my playthroughs look pathetic. I definitely learned a lot from this though. Well done
1:50 Someone explain to me how transforming all strikes and defends somehow instead removed them from the deck, because I'm very confused. Was that a glitch that happened at the time, or am I missing some interaction somewhere?
I guess it was a glitch involving exiting before the cards are actually added to the deck? They returned to the map before seeing them, so that’s all I can imagine
It's a known bug, I forget it if was patched
@@noahaist9401 bug
This must be a replayed seed, no? If not fucking amazing. Hell its amazing regardless, either way.
if it was seeded, i don’t see why they wouldn’t try again. this run was amazing but not entirely flawless, some seconds could be shaved. and we all know how speedrunners feel about shaving seconds
This is what core a gaming described as honers
Ironclad's avatar looks like ZAAA WAAAUUURRRDOOOOO !
1:50, wait, how it resulted in 12 > 4-card deck?
cuz the relic, the relic transforms all the Strikes and Defense cards into a rare one
Its a known bug and an exploit speedrunners use. If u press the map key (not sure about this) when its supposed to show you the cards that were transformed you just lose all of them instead of keeping them in the deck. So you are left with only the stuff you added + bash.
@@DeathOfThePuppets does it still work?
@@IAmHukumka No, they fixed it a few months ago.
@@likeWeird it should still work if you go to Settings, go to Input, then go back to the game
A crazed man has been climbing up the spire at a rapid rate, destroying anything in his path. More at eleven
Doctor: you have five minutes left to live
Me:
Doc: You have 4 minutes and 30 seconds to live...
Me: ^
More proof that aliens exist on earth
If only Northernlion could do this just once. All faith would be restored.
how did you go from 12 cards to 4 between the 1st and 2nd level?
I think it was when he opened the Pandora Box relic. Then i noticed he only had the 4 cards
Here with a really late analysis
After watching at 0.25x he had opened the map when he took the box and it gave him the cards but he hit the return button from the map deleting them.
When you have to save the world from apocalyptic doom before breakfast XD
videos rock, love to watch them
Is that move with pandoras box a bug/exploit or is that intentional
At 22 sec it sounds like the shopkeeper says "fuck off" lol
His mask almost looks like Dio's stand from jojo
KONO DIO DA
I'm looking for this
How come from 12 cards drop to 4 cards. 1:50
I had to play it in 0.5 speed to realize what's happening
literally wat
I mean, well done, but holy fuck things have to drop perfectly. Do I even wanna know how many tries this took?
Thumos that’s what I was thinking the whole time. That flex-shockwave-necronomicon-whirlwind combo worked out pretty ideally for this type of run. If I had to guess I would wager north of 75 runs.
Speerunners are the most hardcore player, i believe this is much more than 75 tries, more like 750
@@AdrienBurg geez
@@davidwhite5180 Was it a random seed?
I fucking thought that was "the world" stand in the thumbnail
He made this game looked like a piece of cake
local man watches jojo and then proceeds to flex his muscles and spin with a greatsword in his hand killing hundred of innocent monsters in a span of four minutes
its x1.50 speed
I can't even beat the game when I take my sweet ass time feels bad
the rng gods look upon you with favor
Why the strikes and defends are all removed from the deck?
I still don't get it.
Card removal, *the game.*
glich speedrun in a game like this, is not so excited. But need to say, congratulations, i am several hours playing this hell game and have not yet finished it. A lot of dedication to do this speedrun, rly congratulation!
God. That was a lot.
huh so the necronomicon works with X cost cards? I wouldnt have guessed since they use up all the energy on the first cast.
Yep, this also holds for Duplication Potions, and the "play twice" cards (Double Tap, Burst, Echo Form, Omniscience -- although Omniscience is pretty expensive so you need a lot of energy to then use an X-cost card effectively). Super powerful combo if you can set it up
1:45
wait…
so activate pandora’s box relic,
then open map
press next act
and you remove all strikes and defends from your deck
is this a beta thing?
Congrats man!
Did pandora use to give you the option to only take the transformed cards if you want? Because I dont think it is like that right now
very impressive but still want to see a sub 5 glitchless
im pretty sure the previous record didnt use padoras glitch, so theres that. and i think that was sub 5
Sub 5 glitchless is just a really lucky run.
so is sub 5 with the glitch. all the runs are, for the most part, luck based. Skill definitely comes into it, but the skill cieling isnt too high in a card game when it comes to speedrunning. its mostly luck
What glitch was in this run? I'm not familiar enough with the game to know.
So in other words necronomicon is a fair and balanced relic
Sped up or real?
why did your strikes and defends dissapear from the deck after picking pandoras box? they should've been transformed, not removed from your deck? also, you didn't get a curse from necronomicon? that curse shouldn't be removable
U forgot that Deca and Donu have artifacts- if you didn't use thunderclap in the end, you could have saved a second or two...(but you probably already know that :)
I wonder how many milliseconds not taking ceaseless top would've saved
damn that pandora's box exploit foes crzy
How many times you try find Seed with these specific Relics? Neow's Lament and Pandora's box on the end of first Act?
How did you reduce your deck from 12 to 4 cards between the end of Act I and start of Act II?
He used something called the Pandora’s box glitch. I don’t really know how you do it but the result is you remove all your strikes and defends without adding any of the new cards that Pandora’s box offers you.
I dont get it, at 1:50 he gets pandora, and all the transformed cards dissapear from the deck, how is that possible?
old glitch patched now
That was insane!
But why there's no necronomicon curse?
Яков Втюрин that was a glitch found by killer. You open the map on the necro reward screen, hit the next node then open the map again. It brings the reward screen back and lets you take necro without adding the curse to your deck
If it's never in your deck, it can't be "not removed"
Professionals: I watched it in 2x speed what a snail he's so slow.
hell yeah dude
Watch at 0.25x speed to understand what the fuck is going on lmao
ive been hoarding cards and losing everytime at the end with 30 cards in my deck 💀💀💀
and this guy tearing it up with FOUR
Better to have smaller more consistent decks usually (4 a bit extreme obvs)
Wait... how did the pandoras box remove all his strikes and defends and not transform them? Did he cheese the game by moving on before he got the cards?
It’s a glitch that he exploited. I don’t entirely know how it works tbh.
What is the relic that does so much damage to all enemies at the end of your turn??
Woaw, that's...fast.
Not sure if you’re still reading comments, but you’re a beast.
Ok so this guy basically just cheated...
What did he do after act 1 to make his hand four cards?
I literally didn't notice that you worked your way down to 4 cards until the 2nd boss wtf
Man this is an old version of the game
I can’t believe card removes used to look like that
My brain.. It hurts...
did you come here from OSU! ? like ur moving that fast...
Someone really needs to make a video deconstructing this.
How the hell does he go from a deck of 12 cards at 1:50 to 4 cards?
There was a glitch at the time with Pandoras Box were the Cards were Removed
What I learned: Blocking is for the weak
Is there any way to obtain the update that still has the Pandora's box glitch? The beta tab in properties on steam doesn't seem to have it.
No not yet. Someone is working on a patcher so people can play older versions. I have it because I kept the old jar file
Actually you can downgrade any games on steam to a previous version, there's a guide right here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1086279994
It's just a bit complicated and ideally you would want to backup your current game files in case anything happens
How did he get from 12 cards deck to 4 after Act 1?
He misplayed on donu and Deku. Thunderclap didn't apply vulnerable because of artifact charges. I think this lost about 2 seconds.