Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo : The only car in the history to go faster 0-100 kph than it takes the time to say it's full name. What a time to be alive!
Yeah, but this Panamera hybrid is approx 140,000 K and the other Panamera hybrid is approx 80,000 K. Admittedly its specs are not at the same level, but the price premium for the top of the line model is in no way justifiable.
Porsches do not normally have a large grille, this is a throwback to when they just had rear and mid engine cars. Now the SUVs and the Panamera are obviously front engine vehicles, but the Porsche design language carries on.
@@Ramuis166 Yes but for long distance air travel or remote operation of engines, it might be the only option that is close to carbon neutral. There are also other ways to do Power-to-Fuel and also Solar-to-Fuel as well as bio-fuels. Also, like Henry correctly pointed out, they are typically drop-in capable, as they are very close to regular fuel, which is a huge advantage for flight (planes are renewed maybe every 30 years or so).
@@evandentes4716 i'm sorry but you do not seem to understand physics... The problem with e fuels is the efficiency of the processes involved. It's only viable at all if you use renewable energy, and you will need a lot more energy to get an ice car with e fuels over a distance of 100km than you need to get an electric car over the same distance. Only if we have an enormous overproduction of renewables this will be an actual option
Until you realize you'll start siphoning off the ocean. I'm sure the effect won't be as massive as you'd think, but given enough time.. well who knows.
Wow... I almost skipped watching this one, thinking I’m not interested in this car. What an utterly and subtly beautiful review. It is perfect. Henry is a gift to the automotive world. This is Carfection.
Enabling the combustion engine industry and its emissions kind of defeats the whole purpose of going EV. It only makes sense that driving gasoline vehicles will become more expensive, an enthusiast activity.
@@SoCalFreelance ya owning a gas car in the future if they are still rolling ice cars it will be more expensive to own than electric car but hey its trade back for gas car enthusiast like me
Carfection, I love you. I love all the attention to detail, it pays off in the end. The perfect music for every video, the audio ducking during voice over is perfectly judged, Henry’s narration is unmatched ever, the distribution of segments of the video is perfect, everything is just the right amount. The story, the filming, the production, the editing and Henry Catchpole... top, top, top, top, top marks everywhere and then some. Bravo.
You are the epitome of perfection and the content is so sublime I could consume this type of work for hours. Not too mention the camera angles and information. Pure bliss bro. thank you.
@@herkiee1 absolutely agree and they went on to do great things with the Grand Tour! The latest re incarnation of TG is abysmal except for Harris. It was just a throw away comment about Henry, Harry and Chris, although wouldn’t a YT collaboration be fantastic?
People always bring it up but if you ask me, night vision is for if you live in somewhere like rural New England where you can be driving on a wooded highway at night at roughly 75mph only to have a massive deer or moose run out in front of the car and total even the most weighty of Porsche wagons.
There’s many many roads where it can be helpful, more roads have no night lights and large critters crossing than roads that are lit up and you’ll never see an animal on the road.
yes but Panameras are meant to be luxurious - you would have to sacrifice a lot of luxurious features of Panamera to shave off a ton and what would you get? Something Porsche already does, e.g. Turbo S.
and if my Aunt had bollocks she'd be my Uncle! It's heavy for a whole number of reasons, all of which are part of Porsche's design. May as well say 'if the GT2 RS weighed 2 tons it wouldn't be any fun' 🙄
@@wc8561 At first it was my disbelief that something that weighs the thick end of 5,000 pounds could feel so agile. The Panamera does that thing great cars do where it wraps itself around you like a warm blanket on a cold day. You're almost at one with it. The steering is sharp and accurate (maybe lacking in feedback from the road surface, but it's so direct it almost makes up for that). Plus the rear-wheel steering really helps. You really can feel the thing pivot in tighter bends. Porsche's ceramic brakes are the best in the business, too. They're immediate, as in the braking starts right at the top of the pedal. There's no squeezing to do. You want to stop? It stops, and in a hurry, too. It's also ridiculously fast, sounds great, and is comfortable on longer commutes (took a road trip in it just to be sure). It feels just like the 992 I drove in 2019, but bigger and much faster (in a straight line).
@@Nick-qx1vf Were you comfortable with the very substantial (exterior) dimensions of the car? I would love to pick up a used Panamera... if only it were Taycan sized.
@@RoyalFizzbin It took me about a day to get used to it. They are not inconsiderable dimensions, but it isn't hard to park. If you live where parking is tight you might find yourself see-sawing at the wheel a lot to get it right, though.
I would like to know more about the advantages you saw over an RS6 and E63? Though i am currently looking into the GTS variant of the Panamera as it’s more within budget. I would like to hear your thoughts
I’ve probably watched this video through something like 10 times. I absolutely cannot wait until I can pick one of these up. Looks like such a nice place to spend time. Thanks for such a good review!
There's something about the GT63 S 4dr Coupe which doesn't sit well with me. I do like the roofline but I feel, personally, that the CLS serves as a more refined rendition of roughly the same design concept. I understand the GT63 S is significantly quicker, but as someone who appreciates the kinetic art dynamic of vehicles just as much as the performance, I'd rather go with the CLS53 and spend the remaining cash on some art for the house.
Glad you plugged the E-fuels. Needs to be a more public discussion on this as when you factor in the environmental impact of bringing the charging network up to what’s required I suspect the E-fuels will start to be more competitive. Also it would be good to see some subsidies headed Porsches way for E-fuel development as that again would lead to a reduction in cost & improvement to efficiency. On a purely selfish note I just don’t want to contemplate a future that has no combustion engine in it !
We can use E-fuels for everything we can't or don't want to power with electricity or with hydrogen. As with hydrogen production, e-fuels are a lot less energy efficient than just using the electricity in an electric car or a train. And we'd need to built enough factories to produce that stuff and enough generation capacity and power grid infrastructure to support those factories. I don't see what would be to gain by going that way.
I like your conclusions. The ICE isn't the enemy, the fuel we run them with currently, is. Funny, I recently thought about the way a BEV launch feels in comparison to an ICE and thought the same. The ICE builds up the speed in a much more pleasant way. The BEV just gives a big initial hit and then tapers off. Feels strange and not so nice. Lastly - kudos to the tshirt - I also have one :)
What Henry forgot to mention is that these e-fuels are super expensive because breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen is very onerous from an energy point of view, and the laws of physics say it cannot be improved. When all is said and done, making a few liters of e-fuel uses vast amounts of energy, and then 65% of that fuel will be wasted as head (see Carnot cycle) when transformed into mechanical power in the ICE . So altogether it could take 10kwh of energy to get 1kwh of mechanical energy for e-fuels, versus maybe 2kwh of total energy to get 1kwh of mechanical energy with an electric car (after accounting for transmission and storage losses). No government will allow e-fuels to grow in any scale given this extra low energetic efficiency of e-fuels, particularly as we already have shortage of power generation in most places throughout the world. Not happening
How about semi trucks,planes they travel everyday evs these would be non existent they dont have that much range evs maybe better on car but on trucks and planes e fuels would be better
@@christopherayala4619 My comment is really in relation to e-fuels for car where EV is a viable solution, but clearly for aviation electric power is not possible given power density limit of batteries vs hydrocarbons. Still, if one wants a “closed-loop” fuel system (i.e. where carbon is taken out of the environment in order to produce fuel) then arguably bio-fuels (i.e. fuel made from plants) are a preferable alternative as they too take carbon dioxyde out of the environment (albeit not necessarily as much CO2 out of the air) and produce fuel at a much lower energetic cost than e-fuels. Porsche needs to let go e-fuels; there will be plenty of oil in the ground for decades to come, the governments will tax ICE cars and fuels to the point where it doesn’t make sense to buy new ones anymore. Older ICE will always run, and as oil price (pre-tax) increases over time as the existing supply dwindles, other oil wells that are currently not economical to exploit at less than $50 per barrel will become viable alternatives. Based one what I have read, fossil oil could still be cheaper than e-fuels even at $200 per barrel. Porsche should instead invest some money in carbon capture programs if they want to feel better about their ICE legacy
@@lastlondon I think governments banning new ice cars is just all propaganda there will be alot of demand of making ice cars companies will be happy to
If I could only have one car for the rest of my life and cost was not a factor, this would be it. Good combination of fast, weird, cool, rare, comfortable and practical.
Thank you Porsche for investing in e-fuel. It would be interesting to compare carbon neutrality of producing and running electric cars vs e-fuel cars. Great video Carfection.
This why porsche is my favor it company they know that ice cars have a place in the future not just ev cars. Ill thank porsche for saving new ice cars in the future
The nighttime onboard shot is so beautiful I switched to our 3K laptop. By the way, I rarely differ from you Mr. Catchpole but describing a 140,000-Pound Porsche as a reasonable hybrid is pretty hilarious.
Great review; however, worth mentioning that ethanol is hydroscopic, a not insignificant issue that has yet to be resolved if 100% ethanol is used as ICE fuel.
I don’t know any friends that are worried about leaving emissions in the city and want to buy a emission free car. I do know people that like the instant power and torque from the electric cars.
Other candidates include: *Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 Super Veloce* *Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400* *Land Rover Range Rover Evoque Autobiography* Or, as Singer have to phrase it for legal reasons: *Porsche 911 Reimagined by Singer Vehicle Design* to which we can add 'Dynamics and Lightweighting Study' for the Williams DLS.
I have the 4E Panamera and would say once you go above 120K USD for a Panamera then just go for the full petrol non hybrid version like the GTS and Turbo S because if your looking for performance then removing 300KG of a battery in the rear does make a big big big difference. Trust me you do feel the weight of the car once you take it to some twisty country roads and you would be so annoyed by the additional 300 KG of weight that you are carrying for the sake of a lower emission tax. If this is gonna be a daily driver just get the entry level 4-E hybrid like I did and save those additional money for something else.
Can we assume that if we make hydrocarbons from pure CO2 and H2 instead of extracting by refining crude oil, there would be much less impurities that lead to real pollution like PM?
Great review as always Henry! Is it me or did you do this review in Milton Keynes town centre? But since the car is Europe spec, the review took place in Germany?
Thanks Henry, this complements nicely Harry’s video on same posted last Sunday. Those fortunate few in this rarified sector may ponder this is virtually as quick as the 911 (992) T but a bit cheaper and more usable. The non Turismo looks even better.
Nice video, really like your work and liked the feature on efuel. Apart from super/hyper cars (NSX, 918, P1, etc...) is there a fun to drive Hybrid? (With a bit of EVOness)
I have an old 289 V8 with a 4 barrel Holly and a 4 speed top-loader. It exhausts out of a 2 inch Pacemaker and sounds like God, shouting. You have an appliance.
I drove the new "regular" E-Hybrid recently, good lord what a snooze. Sure it's nice if you have a sizeable family to drive around, but it's so frigging large while offering no emotional experience whatsoever.
It is an executive-aimed vehicle the lower end Panamera’s with it’s softer suspension and better sound deadening with the V6’s. The moment you drive the higher trims (ESPECIALLY the GTS) Porsche throws in more of their brilliant dynamic systems into the car to hide its weight much better than say a 4e-hybrid. Plus the Panamera is a heavy car, you can’t expect 911 levels of driving experience. But it is a near base model after all.
@@kkfarmedkk sure but things like rear wheel steering could help make it feel smaller (smaller effective turning circle). feel smaller, mind you, but not necessarily lighter.
@@DavidChong Feel in wheelbase, but not its size in general. Visually, it feels very big and wide. And correctly so. Its nearly 2 meters wide. Not to mention with the softer design on the hood, with the headlights.
As long as the name is, it seems to be the best choice in it's class. Sure, it's not as dramatic as an AMG, but it's quite a good package in itself. And it's a Porsche. Enough said.
Does this complex drivetrain have simple load protection for the combustion engine ? Or does customer gently drive away out of the suburbs, and just hits the floor when the motorway appears ? Resulting in cold start -> Instant full load on the ICE.
I really like the Panamera Sport Turismo, there's something about it's shape that's very appealing and the interior is top notch. But, much like the majority of people in the world, I'll never earn enough money to afford one.
Cool. Nice review as always. I'm waiting, perhaps in vain, for a smaller Porsche 4 door. It may never happen since Porsche is VAG and Audi already has such cars. Not going to return to Audi, so for now it'll be Porsche for the sports car and BMW for the other vehicle needs.
The energy of the future is absolutely multifaceted. EVs for mega cities, hybrids for Suburbs/those who want them, traditional ICE vehicles for the country/people who drive long distances/performance enthusiasts. Efuels- gas, diesel. EVs. Maybe some hydrogen. The right solution for the right application. Not some blanket "EV everything" moronic idea. Also, man the Panamera has come far. Great job by Porsche.
I would like to make a suggestion: could you please make a video how to drive the damn thing, I mean after the battery deplets it's energy you have only the added weight! How should you use this contraption, charge every 40 miles, charge on the go , use the battery hold. Please could you elaborate on the use of the hybrid system.
Leave it in Hybrid auto is probably the best strategy. As for the hybrid system being dead weight there is one trick it can (and does) use even at constant speed. That is to use the motor/generator to load the engine to put it into a more efficient load condition and then use the electricity generated to "sail" later on. It's a bit like an automated burn and coast but using the battery rather than inertia as the energy store. Given that burn and coast can easily give 20% improvement in efficiency we might expect perhaps 15% from this system.
Panamera 4 e-hybrid isn’t nearly as nice to drive in comparison to the GTS and above. Porsche gave the ‘lesser’ models more of a comfort and day to day executive feeling rather than the punchy straight to the bends higher end models, especially seen by the GTS. As for the Taycan 4S? Well that’s interesting because you’re comparing a base electric Porsche to the top hybrid, i’d still take the Turbo S-E, but if electric stations are more dependable, then my choice could change.
Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo : The only car in the history to go faster 0-100 kph than it takes the time to say it's full name.
What a time to be alive!
MERCEDES AMG GT 4- DOOR COUPE 63S try this one
Yeah, but this Panamera hybrid is approx 140,000 K and the other Panamera hybrid is approx 80,000 K. Admittedly its specs are not at the same level, but the price premium for the top of the line model is in no way justifiable.
Porsche 918 Spyder😎
2.5 seconds official
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@@lucasjbeily7730 official name is Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4MATIC+
@@franciscoribeiro9103 You HAVE to add the “4-door" part or it would be ambiguous - different cars!
Keeping a shorter name for this one would have definitely reduced the carbon footprint ;)
Less metal in the badge
That’s SUPER FUNNY:D
Lol
Order it debadged
Have you noticed that this is the only luxury car that doesn't have a big grille?
@@Philliyum it’s not a internal combustion engine car
Yea what's the trend with all these gopping grills nowadays? I don't like it at all
@@KevinKickChannel I don't mind them
Porsches do not normally have a large grille, this is a throwback to when they just had rear and mid engine cars. Now the SUVs and the Panamera are obviously front engine vehicles, but the Porsche design language carries on.
@Valkyrie 007 That is the savagest of Tesla burns.
the quality of carfection vid is now top notch!
eFuels sound interesting - excellent addition to the review
sad thing is that it's a very inefficient process that will most likely produce very expensive fuel.
Not if you give it to something like the US military and have them innovate like they did during the manhattan project
@@Ramuis166 Yes but for long distance air travel or remote operation of engines, it might be the only option that is close to carbon neutral.
There are also other ways to do Power-to-Fuel and also Solar-to-Fuel as well as bio-fuels.
Also, like Henry correctly pointed out, they are typically drop-in capable, as they are very close to regular fuel, which is a huge advantage for flight (planes are renewed maybe every 30 years or so).
@@evandentes4716 i'm sorry but you do not seem to understand physics...
The problem with e fuels is the efficiency of the processes involved. It's only viable at all if you use renewable energy, and you will need a lot more energy to get an ice car with e fuels over a distance of 100km than you need to get an electric car over the same distance. Only if we have an enormous overproduction of renewables this will be an actual option
Until you realize you'll start siphoning off the ocean. I'm sure the effect won't be as massive as you'd think, but given enough time.. well who knows.
"You need a car to make noise that's going through a forest." Pure comedy gold right there.
You could be a speaker on the room of a electric can playing " vroom vroom " noises or just shout out the window " ahhhhhh" as you drive along?
I love the idea of a crazy-fast Panamera hybrid estate. I don't love the idea of a Porsche weighing 2440kg...
When you said the weight figure, I laughed, and then cried
5,379 pounds in American units. Impressive chonk.
A full metric ton heavier than a sports car. Impressive, how they’re able to make it move as it does.
Still fast and drives well.
Insane considering how well it handles. Best handling car i've ever been in.
@@TheBowerbird a fast chonk😂
This has to be the best car show on youtube
Agreed.
"A hybrid like this makes a lot of sense."
- Henry
Cost 140,000 pounds.
And weighs 2.7Tonnes!
None of this car makes any sense.
Yeah but you get £50 off of vegan sausages at Waitrose
So much more exclusive and cool than an M5 or E63s in my opinion.
Also dare I say it, I prefer the Panamera to the Taycan! 😱
Wow... I almost skipped watching this one, thinking I’m not interested in this car. What an utterly and subtly beautiful review. It is perfect. Henry is a gift to the automotive world. This is Carfection.
I hope for a world of e-fuels and smaller, lighter cars
AMEN to this. Super heavy, luxury, green cars, full of rare materials... its all very weird.
Enabling the combustion engine industry and its emissions kind of defeats the whole purpose of going EV. It only makes sense that driving gasoline vehicles will become more expensive, an enthusiast activity.
Facts
@@SoCalFreelance ya owning a gas car in the future if they are still rolling ice cars it will be more expensive to own than electric car but hey its trade back for gas car enthusiast like me
Carfection, I love you. I love all the attention to detail, it pays off in the end. The perfect music for every video, the audio ducking during voice over is perfectly judged, Henry’s narration is unmatched ever, the distribution of segments of the video is perfect, everything is just the right amount. The story, the filming, the production, the editing and Henry Catchpole... top, top, top, top, top marks everywhere and then some. Bravo.
I've always wanted to own a station wagon. Okay, THIS station wagon. I'd also "settle" for an Audi R6 Avant.
You are the epitome of perfection and the content is so sublime I could consume this type of work for hours. Not too mention the camera angles and information. Pure bliss bro. thank you.
Great review and nice video Henry, really enjoy your presentation style in all your videos buddy
An F-18 Hornet launched off a carrier is around 0 - 60 in 0.8 seconds and 0 - 165 around 2.5 seconds. So the Panamera is just a bit behind😉
Henry Catchpole, Chris Harris and Harry Metcalfe, new TopGear trio right there 👌
Pretty sure they all worked together at EVO?
Good call mate, they wouldn’t have the same dynamic but they would make awesome reviews.
Can't we just let Top Gear RIP? Top Gear was Clarkson, May and Hammond
@@herkiee1 absolutely agree and they went on to do great things with the Grand Tour! The latest re incarnation of TG is abysmal except for Harris. It was just a throw away comment about Henry, Harry and Chris, although wouldn’t a YT collaboration be fantastic?
I absolutely adore Henry's reviews. Keep up the good work, lads!
Henry! We need more of you my friend. You've been quiet of late.
You keep us intrigued about the right cars, in an age of too many cars.
People always bring it up but if you ask me, night vision is for if you live in somewhere like rural New England where you can be driving on a wooded highway at night at roughly 75mph only to have a massive deer or moose run out in front of the car and total even the most weighty of Porsche wagons.
Or eastearn Europe where most of the countries have no light on the roads at night. Don't believe me? Go Google Earth night view.
There’s many many roads where it can be helpful, more roads have no night lights and large critters crossing than roads that are lit up and you’ll never see an animal on the road.
I got a “Risky Business” vibe from the night driving & music sequence.
If this was a tonne lighter it'd be incredible
yes but Panameras are meant to be luxurious - you would have to sacrifice a lot of luxurious features of Panamera to shave off a ton and what would you get? Something Porsche already does, e.g. Turbo S.
and if my Aunt had bollocks she'd be my Uncle! It's heavy for a whole number of reasons, all of which are part of Porsche's design. May as well say 'if the GT2 RS weighed 2 tons it wouldn't be any fun' 🙄
The new M5 PHEV is just as heavy with hybrid+V8. Seems like there is no escaping the weight with PHEV
Might be the best car content I have ever seen. God Bless
Drove the ICE-only Turbo S Sport Turismo a little while ago and I was just utterly blown away. Would have one over an RS6 and an E63 Waggy
what made it so good ?
@@wc8561 At first it was my disbelief that something that weighs the thick end of 5,000 pounds could feel so agile. The Panamera does that thing great cars do where it wraps itself around you like a warm blanket on a cold day. You're almost at one with it. The steering is sharp and accurate (maybe lacking in feedback from the road surface, but it's so direct it almost makes up for that). Plus the rear-wheel steering really helps. You really can feel the thing pivot in tighter bends. Porsche's ceramic brakes are the best in the business, too. They're immediate, as in the braking starts right at the top of the pedal. There's no squeezing to do. You want to stop? It stops, and in a hurry, too. It's also ridiculously fast, sounds great, and is comfortable on longer commutes (took a road trip in it just to be sure). It feels just like the 992 I drove in 2019, but bigger and much faster (in a straight line).
@@Nick-qx1vf Were you comfortable with the very substantial (exterior) dimensions of the car? I would love to pick up a used Panamera... if only it were Taycan sized.
@@RoyalFizzbin It took me about a day to get used to it. They are not inconsiderable dimensions, but it isn't hard to park. If you live where parking is tight you might find yourself see-sawing at the wheel a lot to get it right, though.
I would like to know more about the advantages you saw over an RS6 and E63? Though i am currently looking into the GTS variant of the Panamera as it’s more within budget. I would like to hear your thoughts
I’ve probably watched this video through something like 10 times. I absolutely cannot wait until I can pick one of these up. Looks like such a nice place to spend time. Thanks for such a good review!
Now I have to decide between the Panamera 4S e Hybrid, or the Panamera Turbo S e Hybrid. Either way I think I’m a winner.
RS6 Avant beater??
Not really comparable... since this one makes 100hp more and is way more luxury oriented
Even if it would not beat it in performance i would still go for the Porsche, i just love their interior looks and quality.
The RS6 is a bad performance car. The Mercedes E63 beats it
@@MoJo-2977 Porsche is far more luxurious for sure, but its easy to get the Audi C7 model to more BHP than the Porsche
@@RichardEnglander you know it’s the same engine right ? Smh
Which would you have, this, or the Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4MATIC+ 4-Door Coupé?
The standard Turbo S for me. Estate, for sure.
There's something about the GT63 S 4dr Coupe which doesn't sit well with me. I do like the roofline but I feel, personally, that the CLS serves as a more refined rendition of roughly the same design concept. I understand the GT63 S is significantly quicker, but as someone who appreciates the kinetic art dynamic of vehicles just as much as the performance, I'd rather go with the CLS53 and spend the remaining cash on some art for the house.
Glad you plugged the E-fuels. Needs to be a more public discussion on this as when you factor in the environmental impact of bringing the charging network up to what’s required I suspect the E-fuels will start to be more competitive. Also it would be good to see some subsidies headed Porsches way for E-fuel development as that again would lead to a reduction in cost & improvement to efficiency. On a purely selfish note I just don’t want to contemplate a future that has no combustion engine in it !
We can use E-fuels for everything we can't or don't want to power with electricity or with hydrogen. As with hydrogen production, e-fuels are a lot less energy efficient than just using the electricity in an electric car or a train. And we'd need to built enough factories to produce that stuff and enough generation capacity and power grid infrastructure to support those factories. I don't see what would be to gain by going that way.
Henry why doesn't it have the new Turbo S 630PS engine in it, instead of an uprated Turbo engine??
I think the gearbox can't handle the immense combined torque, so the 630PS engine can't be put into the plug in hybrid Panamera turbo s
@@fabi3276I imagine it’s actually because they’re going to come out with a car in the future with that engine and the hybrid system
Was offered a job in the UK. Declined it, since my EVs would instantly become coal rollers using the UK electricity grid.
Can you do an slr 722 review?
I saw one once, for about 5 seconds 👌🏼😢
@@simon8089 i saw a stirling moss on the Autobahn
@@Robert-Cinque777 💧💧💧🤪🤣very nice
@@simon8089 your name is fitting 🤣
@@Robert-Cinque777 🤣👌🏼
The night shots look fantastic!
I like your conclusions. The ICE isn't the enemy, the fuel we run them with currently, is. Funny, I recently thought about the way a BEV launch feels in comparison to an ICE and thought the same. The ICE builds up the speed in a much more pleasant way. The BEV just gives a big initial hit and then tapers off. Feels strange and not so nice. Lastly - kudos to the tshirt - I also have one :)
Watching the slo-mo launch and seeing the tires dig in without a hint of slip. On a 2440kg car. Otherworldly. Witchcraft.
Details at the beginning of the video are great.
What watch was Henry wearing? Looks superb!
Thank you - it's a Bremont U-2/51-Jet on a NATO strap.
What Henry forgot to mention is that these e-fuels are super expensive because breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen is very onerous from an energy point of view, and the laws of physics say it cannot be improved. When all is said and done, making a few liters of e-fuel uses vast amounts of energy, and then 65% of that fuel will be wasted as head (see Carnot cycle) when transformed into mechanical power in the ICE .
So altogether it could take 10kwh of energy to get 1kwh of mechanical energy for e-fuels, versus maybe 2kwh of total energy to get 1kwh of mechanical energy with an electric car (after accounting for transmission and storage losses).
No government will allow e-fuels to grow in any scale given this extra low energetic efficiency of e-fuels, particularly as we already have shortage of power generation in most places throughout the world. Not happening
just some buzzwords to keep the general public happy ;p
How about semi trucks,planes they travel everyday evs these would be non existent they dont have that much range evs maybe better on car but on trucks and planes e fuels would be better
@@christopherayala4619 My comment is really in relation to e-fuels for car where EV is a viable solution, but clearly for aviation electric power is not possible given power density limit of batteries vs hydrocarbons. Still, if one wants a “closed-loop” fuel system (i.e. where carbon is taken out of the environment in order to produce fuel) then arguably bio-fuels (i.e. fuel made from plants) are a preferable alternative as they too take carbon dioxyde out of the environment (albeit not necessarily as much CO2 out of the air) and produce fuel at a much lower energetic cost than e-fuels. Porsche needs to let go e-fuels; there will be plenty of oil in the ground for decades to come, the governments will tax ICE cars and fuels to the point where it doesn’t make sense to buy new ones anymore. Older ICE will always run, and as oil price (pre-tax) increases over time as the existing supply dwindles, other oil wells that are currently not economical to exploit at less than $50 per barrel will become viable alternatives. Based one what I have read, fossil oil could still be cheaper than e-fuels even at $200 per barrel. Porsche should instead invest some money in carbon capture programs if they want to feel better about their ICE legacy
@@lastlondon I think governments banning new ice cars is just all propaganda there will be alot of demand of making ice cars companies will be happy to
@@lastlondon imagine in the future where everyday cars are full evs but diesel semi trucks planes still be using combustion engine is weird
Henry you speak so good. I dont want to sound sick, but i can listen to you for hours
Same here
I love the Sport Turismo and I like that Porsche is taking the Panamera in the electric direction. I can't get warm with the Taycan design.
Taycan sport turismo?
That still has all the same styling characteristics as the regular Taycan. Except with a longer roof line.
How do you warm the petrol engine up after starting a journey on electric, where one can’t reasonably use a wide open throttle on a cold V6 ?
Are we not gonna talk about the exceptional production quality of this video?
It's incredible!
Great video! I want a Porsche so much!
If I could only have one car for the rest of my life and cost was not a factor, this would be it. Good combination of fast, weird, cool, rare, comfortable and practical.
the video i've been waiting for all this time !!
Miss this channel every single day 😢
Damn I love Henry Catchpole.
His narratives are so calming
Another great Carfection video from Henry 👌👌👌. The standard to which other car reviews are measured.
Not sure when to use night vision? How about at night?
Is the 4.0 v8 same as the rs6 urus engine ?
Henry, what about using the hemp plant, Henry Ford did?
Fantastic review XCAR!!!!
Nice video, efuel is a very interesting concept.
What went wrong with the onboard camera? ...kept going out of focus...
What better ???? what would you choose this panamera or taycan???
Thank you Porsche for investing in e-fuel. It would be interesting to compare carbon neutrality of producing and running electric cars vs e-fuel cars. Great video Carfection.
This why porsche is my favor it company they know that ice cars have a place in the future not just ev cars. Ill thank porsche for saving new ice cars in the future
What's with the lime green badge?
Is there no non hybrid turbo/turbo s model anymore?
Panamera Sport Turismo is just the dream daily driver
Is it too much unconfortable for daily drive?
How do cities ensure that you're using electric only mode within their limits? Do they just go by sound and the honor system?
This averages 85 mpg ? A range of 1,785 from a 21 gallon tank?
Coming next : The 2022 Porsche Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo E-Hybrid E-Fuel 🤪, great review as only few like Henry can bring , crack on !
The nighttime onboard shot is so beautiful I switched to our 3K laptop. By the way, I rarely differ from you Mr. Catchpole but describing a 140,000-Pound Porsche as a reasonable hybrid is pretty hilarious.
Great review; however, worth mentioning that ethanol is hydroscopic, a not insignificant issue that has yet to be resolved if 100% ethanol is used as ICE fuel.
Mega car, mega film! Thanks Carfection!
I am slightly annoyed by the fact that they had Audi sandbag the Rs6 to ensure this would be faster.
But the RS Q8 is faster than the Urus. But I think their price difference is larger
I don’t know any friends that are worried about leaving emissions in the city and want to buy a emission free car. I do know people that like the instant power and torque from the electric cars.
Would you pick this or the 992 Turbo S?
what is the longest car model name of all time?
is there a world record ?
Other candidates include:
*Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 Super Veloce*
*Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400*
*Land Rover Range Rover Evoque Autobiography*
Or, as Singer have to phrase it for legal reasons:
*Porsche 911 Reimagined by Singer Vehicle Design*
to which we can add 'Dynamics and Lightweighting Study' for the Williams DLS.
Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Super veloce Roadster wins
I think the title goes to Suzuki Crossover SX4 SCross Turbo
Mercedes AMG GT 63 S 4 Door as well is a contender
@@matutolaYT What about
Lamborghini Aventador LP 770-4 Super Veloce Jota Roadster
Why not fully electric? They have all the tech now right with the taycan...? Or was that just for show?
The Taycan SP is coming later in the year - or early 2022 - depending on the market.
I have the 4E Panamera and would say once you go above 120K USD for a Panamera then just go for the full petrol non hybrid version like the GTS and Turbo S because if your looking for performance then removing 300KG of a battery in the rear does make a big big big difference.
Trust me you do feel the weight of the car once you take it to some twisty country roads and you would be so annoyed by the additional 300 KG of weight that you are carrying for the sake of a lower emission tax.
If this is gonna be a daily driver just get the entry level 4-E hybrid like I did and save those additional money for something else.
I couldn’t agree more.
Can we assume that if we make hydrocarbons from pure CO2 and H2 instead of extracting by refining crude oil, there would be much less impurities that lead to real pollution like PM?
Great review as always Henry! Is it me or did you do this review in Milton Keynes town centre? But since the car is Europe spec, the review took place in Germany?
Thanks Henry, this complements nicely Harry’s video on same posted last Sunday.
Those fortunate few in this rarified sector may ponder this is virtually as quick as the 911 (992) T but a bit cheaper and more usable. The non Turismo looks even better.
Please put the background music in the description 🙏🏾
Nice video, really like your work and liked the feature on efuel.
Apart from super/hyper cars (NSX, 918, P1, etc...) is there a fun to drive Hybrid? (With a bit of EVOness)
I have an old 289 V8 with a 4 barrel Holly and a 4 speed top-loader. It exhausts out of a 2 inch Pacemaker and sounds like God, shouting. You have an appliance.
A perfect car..... The perfect car 👌
I drove the new "regular" E-Hybrid recently, good lord what a snooze. Sure it's nice if you have a sizeable family to drive around, but it's so frigging large while offering no emotional experience whatsoever.
Interesting - so you also found it felt large - like Harry M.; (I was surprised Henry doesn't, here...).
It is an executive-aimed vehicle the lower end Panamera’s with it’s softer suspension and better sound deadening with the V6’s. The moment you drive the higher trims (ESPECIALLY the GTS) Porsche throws in more of their brilliant dynamic systems into the car to hide its weight much better than say a 4e-hybrid. Plus the Panamera is a heavy car, you can’t expect 911 levels of driving experience. But it is a near base model after all.
It looks big, feels big and is big. Duo to the design of its headlamps, it would be very difficult to make it appear smaller then it is.
@@kkfarmedkk sure but things like rear wheel steering could help make it feel smaller (smaller effective turning circle). feel smaller, mind you, but not necessarily lighter.
@@DavidChong Feel in wheelbase, but not its size in general. Visually, it feels very big and wide. And correctly so. Its nearly 2 meters wide. Not to mention with the softer design on the hood, with the headlights.
Oil is not just extracted and refined to fuel transport.
The perfect car for alls days.elegance and racing
As long as the name is, it seems to be the best choice in it's class. Sure, it's not as dramatic as an AMG, but it's quite a good package in itself. And it's a Porsche. Enough said.
£142,000! Good thing it's big as I'd be living in it at that price 🤦♂️ Nice car and video as always though in all seriousness 👍
In that case, it is not a car that you can afford. Simple as that.
@@prometheus9443 😴
My favorite thing about this is the green accents
another amazing video
Does this complex drivetrain have simple load protection for the combustion engine ?
Or does customer gently drive away out of the suburbs, and just hits the floor when the motorway appears ?
Resulting in cold start -> Instant full load on the ICE.
With fly-by-wire throttle and boost control I doubt the system will give you fully loud when cold even if you ask for it.
Mpg?
Can I get a track version with the V8 but no battery?
(I think I'd pay the same price (one day) for that beautiful engine and body by itself!)
Never wanted one, but thanks to Henry I now do.
I really like the Panamera Sport Turismo, there's something about it's shape that's very appealing and the interior is top notch.
But, much like the majority of people in the world, I'll never earn enough money to afford one.
damn the review went through the night!
Cool. Nice review as always. I'm waiting, perhaps in vain, for a smaller Porsche 4 door. It may never happen since Porsche is VAG and Audi already has such cars. Not going to return to Audi, so for now it'll be Porsche for the sports car and BMW for the other vehicle needs.
The energy of the future is absolutely multifaceted. EVs for mega cities, hybrids for Suburbs/those who want them, traditional ICE vehicles for the country/people who drive long distances/performance enthusiasts. Efuels- gas, diesel. EVs. Maybe some hydrogen. The right solution for the right application. Not some blanket "EV everything" moronic idea.
Also, man the Panamera has come far. Great job by Porsche.
Beautiful car, but I'd take the regular Turbo.
I would like to make a suggestion: could you please make a video how to drive the damn thing, I mean after the battery deplets it's energy you have only the added weight! How should you use this contraption, charge every 40 miles, charge on the go , use the battery hold. Please could you elaborate on the use of the hybrid system.
Leave it in Hybrid auto is probably the best strategy. As for the hybrid system being dead weight there is one trick it can (and does) use even at constant speed. That is to use the motor/generator to load the engine to put it into a more efficient load condition and then use the electricity generated to "sail" later on. It's a bit like an automated burn and coast but using the battery rather than inertia as the energy store. Given that burn and coast can easily give 20% improvement in efficiency we might expect perhaps 15% from this system.
@@ColinMill1 thank you
wow i like your videography👍
Great vid, as always - how does this car compare to the 4E-hybrid? Or indeed the 4S Taycan? Would be an interesting comparison...
Sea BreezeUK Harry's Garage has just the video for you! 😉
Panamera 4 e-hybrid isn’t nearly as nice to drive in comparison to the GTS and above. Porsche gave the ‘lesser’ models more of a comfort and day to day executive feeling rather than the punchy straight to the bends higher end models, especially seen by the GTS.
As for the Taycan 4S? Well that’s interesting because you’re comparing a base electric Porsche to the top hybrid, i’d still take the Turbo S-E, but if electric stations are more dependable, then my choice could change.
did you say 2440KGS - just to take tabitha to & fro school and feel good that you've gone Electric - Madness
Tabitha’s grandfather, a bloke by the name of Gordon Murray, chuckles and smirks.