@@Archeoptery Well, Ferrari's elitist ownership policies sure do a lot to reduce their bottom-line. All they want is brand elitism, to be seen as above every other manufacturer even if it costs them loads of money in lower sales numbers and loads of people being turned off of Ferrari by their sheer gall and boundless pride. Frankly, sure this would normally be indirect marketing, but when you take that with all the other crap they do, they sure do seem very insecure in their reputation. Despite his personality and intense focus on making the greatest possible race cars, Enzo would probably be disappointed in the direction of his company despite all their motorsport victories since his death.
@@Dont14-r4k Because Lamborghini doesn't have the same marketing strategy? These are faceless, giant corporations, not people. They aren't 'insecure', they don't care.
"There is a rumour that Ferrari forces developers to put their cars in front of the pack in every screenshot, video etc." I think I finally get why the intro video for Need for Speed 6 Hot Pursuit 2 has the Ferrari 360 Spider in front of the Lamborghini Murcielago and the Lamborghini Diablo cop car. And that game came out back in 2002.
@@charliesolloway2832 that's not how it works, or have you not watched this video? It's not just Ferrari that's in the game. There are other brands too
@@charliesolloway2832If any dev is just gonna sit and allow Ferrari to allegedly control them like that, then they're better off passing on Ferrari altogether & going on a strike! 😏 Because enough is simply enough with their communism type ways lmao
I just looked at a bunch of official F1 covers and realized that in a lot of those covers where Ferrari logo is present whether it be a car or a driver, either their driver (Charles Leclerc) or their F1 cars are in the front of the cover. I never really thought of this up until it was mentioned!! I can't believe I learned something new today!!
I'm a QA Dev for a game coming out next year that's car collecting/drag racing based called Auto Legends. I remember when I started to QA Test the Visual Modifications for the cars and we had Debadging as an option. I actually asked if it was a bug because I was so surprised the manufacturers were ok with it.
Licensing sucks man. I’m such a fan of cars and car games. If I owned a car company, if the devs asked me if they could use my cars i would be like “HECK YEAH use my cars in your next Forza horizon game.” I would make them pay the same price license as normal but i would allow that license to NEVER expire for the game they use it on. It advertises my cars. Plus, i would also allow the devs to implement realistic crash physics in their game. Everyone is like “car companies don’t like to see their own cars get wrecked in games.” Quite frankly that sucks. If i owned a car company I wouldn’t care to see my cars get realistically wrecked in Forza horizon game, in fact, i would LOVE to see that lol.
As much as I agree with you here, its just the sad reality of the world that we live in. Some companies don't want to see their product in a wreck because(and I kind of agree with this as well) it would make a bad image on that company. You may like to see your cars in a horizon game being used in a specific way but others don't and we just have to deal with it or else we might not even have that companies cars in the first place.
@@5peedyRN3true. But then again, everyone needs to know and accept that ANY car you buy can in fact get wrecked. Just because you see a car get realistically wrecked in a game should not make anyone scared of buying that car, bringing a bad image to the company. But yeah I understand, that’s just how society works.
@@ALX65Also, i bet most of the ppl that own these cars don't even play these specific games in the first place, so irdk what these overprotective companies are so worried about. 🤷 The owners usually would tend to have enough common sense in separating the virtual from physical world elements anyways.
Played all the forza games. I think 4 had the best gameplay of all of them. It really was a gem. Despite the engine sounds being robotic af, very spotty, some being great and some being a literal crime. (Tbf I only played forza 3 for like 6 hrs, but I have 200+ on the rest.)
Ferrari has a funny story connected with real racing 3 game, only to this manufacturer you can't add any decails, only think that you can modyficate is a paint color (only official one released).
In almost all games they've been into, it was sort of the same thing: The Crew 1: only manufacturer paint allowed NFS15: wheel customization locked Forza: the 458 went from LB kit in FH3 to basically having nothing, even in FM8 where they ended up yeeting the kit that was apparently introduced The funnier part being is that, you have a higher chance to get sued if you edit their logo, rather than having a weird paintjob (which NFS Unbound demonstrates well since there's no lock of any sort, except the windows not rolling down at the start of races)
Ferrari generally is not a big fan of people customising their cars. To them, putting a widebody on a Ferrari is like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa.
Ironically, they aren't. Lamborghinis are always supposedly known to be faster, and other brands like Bugatti have made cars that out perform both of them. Ferrari is just desperate to be seen as the best, rather than actually trying to be the best. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with them usually only coming in red, yellow, silver and black though...
Hes talking about horizon 4. You do know the game has been on sale like every other week? Including dlc. I dont want to jinx the dlc part. Ive owned most dlc anyway
I would like to say you can get a new copy of the game after it is delisted by picking up a physical copy like from the game stop or a store like that. Or sometimes people will sell game codes online, and you can buy those. In 2019 i got FH2 from Game stop, and in 2022, i ordered FH3 off of Amazon
After hearing this news I looked for a way to buy this game.I managed to find a toys shop that sold one while I was travelling in the UK and bought it for only 10 pounds(around 13 USD and 18 CAD). Glad I managed to buy it that before it's too late. Edit: This is a great video for anyone who doesn't know why FH4 is delisted, but also how licensing works and why some cars in older games did not make a return in later games, as well as other stuff related to real cars in games
Ay, good for you on copping a gem and most importantly, i'm just appreciative that someone FINALLY acknowledged the CAD price for once, since 9×Outta10 they usually ALWAYS stop @ USD lol
As everyone knows mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships for fh4 thats why the senna got added and they ended up making 3 different ones in the game there was the autamun 1 the winter 1 and the either the summer or spring 1 i dont remember but yeah mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships in fh4. And also there was the normal senna that was in the autoshow but yeah.
Great video Nick! I learned a lot of new things I didn’t really even consider. Might I add, I believe part of a licensing deal “expiring” means that Forza (for example) is not allowed to make money on those licenses, which is why the game isn’t necessarily going away, but they can’t make profit from it once the license agreement is over
Why are people acting surprised that is happening ? Every racing game ever, not just forza, gets delistes after an certain amount of time. Plus why would a developer keep paying for a licensing for a game when majority of people don't play that game anymore?
@@thesadpanda_ Also because there's still quite a lot of people playing FH4 so that's why many people were concerned about it too, compared to other older games
it's probably because Forza does it the "fastest" compared to the game's launch. Second is probably Gran Turismo, but you can still buy games like Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 and newer ones.
im gonna buy the ultimate edition since its 20 dollars on steam i mean i never owned a forza horizon game and my system is able to handle forza horizon 5 since i played it on game pass but i dont have game pass anymore and i dont even want to renew it after the price increase. FH4 will definitely run solid on my system
I'm so glad I managed to buy this game with all its DLC's like 2 years ago. I had so much fun playing FH4 and it's honestly sad to see the game being delisted but I already expected it to happen sooner or later. Hopefully, it being delisted means that Forza Horizon 6 is somewhat close to being at least announced. They are delisting the game because of the obvious licensing issue and because they don't want to have 3 Forza Horizon games on gamepass and on the store.
@2:26 No, you don't but otherwise the guns of the state comes into play. @3:03 This doesn't matter if you own a physical copy because you cannot remove content from physical copies. That is the only difference. It is not like you'd own the game if you own a physical copy.
It's also interesting with licencing that hot wheels doesn't have a licencing agreement with Ferrari anymore so you can't get a model of a Ferrari, the licensing agreement ended in the early 2010s and I'm guessing Ferrari won't let hot wheels renew it.
Its because Hot Wheels cars are not true 1:64, theyre sliiiiiiiightly squashed and stretched to make them roll better. Ferrari took this as a significant enough change to their designs that they backed out of their license with Mattel entirely, not just Hot Wheels. That unfortunately meant that despite the much more close to "true" 1:64 proportions of Matchbox cars, they also lost the license too. 😢
It’s ashamed they are delisting FH4. But I’m more ashamed that I can’t get the DLC for FH1-3. As well as other racing games like Test Drive Unlimited 1-2 or FM1-7 :(
Forza 5 challenge idea: best car for every class. Everyone picks car then first race in B class. Next upgrade that same car to A class and so on until S2 (Make sure to choose a car with enough upgrades to get from B to S2)
Sadly The reason they are delisting Forza Horizon 4, is because the new Forza Horizon 6 is coming out next year in 2025, it is ironically just on the horizon. Thats why They don't want Forza Horizon 4 (which is still a great game btw) to interfere with their newer sales of next-generation Forza Horizon 6’s sales when it gets released next year. Thats why they delisting FH4 this year
Does not make sense if there isn't money in the game. Its all Forza doing to shove Forza Horizon 6 out. That's all I see licensed materials or copyright for these days. Basically Syndrome meme from The Incredibless. When everything Is Copyrighted. Nothing is free. By the way. I do not see Forza Horizon 4 any older game that has been appreciated disappearing. I just see not selling a bad choice.
Honestly, I don't want or like the idea of delisting games tbh, just let games stay regardless, all these licences are holding them for ransom or such, this why I don't like digital or digital only games tbh, and if they are pushing digital only consoles, then things will get worse and we cannot preserve these games tbh, we should preserve them, game preservation should be important tbh, hate all the bureaucracy behind it all, just let games be games and leave them be, and leave us gamers alone and let us choose what we want to play, so yeah
@@tdeclan3350 "It's not just Forza that gets delisted." Its every single game that ever has or will be created will be delisted. Period. Does that help?
It can happen to any game. Even gta eventually (rockstar usually extends their licence though) . Think of all the licensing rockstar has to do for gta 5. The 100s of songs, locations and whatever else. No game is safe
When I found out about this I was so mad like "dang I gotta buy this now while I can".. but no I already own it so I'm good lol. But still that stinks because there won't be any new players...
Ferrari used to back it up. Now they are kinda like Lamborghini. Pumping out many models for the over saturated market. But who cares tbh with brands like koenigsegg these days that break every number on the chart. I’d still rather own a NA v12 Ferrari though.
Nick, I have a question. I’m debating on getting FH4 before it leaves in December, I want it so bad but I don’t know if I should get it. And also, about the game token. If I downloaded FH4 from gamepass, I just get the token? Or do I need to download it from gamepass, buy a DLC then I get the token?
Microsoft said those who will buy it in xbox game pass before 29th June they will recieve a token laterly for this game. For you it would be better if you download it directly in your pc or buy a copy for this game ( windows version)
Forza needs to stop doing these licensing for real world areas bc if most NFS and TDU can be played to this day old motorsports and Horizon should be able to stay online still
Speaking of complicated licensing Porshe is another one that is really picky look how long it took them to agree to be in Forza and not just be a RUF custom. Even the first time back they wanted to be a paid DLC and the damage models has to be scaled back. Even in the toy world they refused to allow Hasbro to use the Porshe logos on Jazz or Dead end all because they didn't want their name on a toy that turned into a fighting robot in a war (might have to do with something in the 1940's) Also yes Ferrari is very picky when Mattel Hot Wheels started putting nonofficial looking graphics on the cars back in the mid 2010's they didn't renew the licensing granted you can put whatever you want on them in the creative hub but for mass-market it was a no no. Also, that why some other brands sold them as 1:64th model kits so they were no longer toy cars but a model kit. At least they are keeping the online stuff up and even can still play it offline unlike The Crew games once they go offline they will be dead since no offline support for them.
So essentially if I want the developers to put in a 1998 Ford Mercury Mountaineer in the game they would have to go to Ford and ask them for it and if so how do I do that???
The thing that always gets me about delisting and why they SHOULDNT do it is that people that are passionate, theyre going to find ways to get the game anyway. (Yo ho ho, you are a pirate!!)
Once you volunteer to provide lifetime support, servers, bug fixes, on and on and on, companies can stop delisting. So, do you have a few billion laying around? No? Why do you hate FH4? I assume you are like 12, so here is some sage info. Nothing lasts forever my friend.
Hey nick I thought I might as well give it a shot reaching out to you on this topic. I recently got a pc and downloaded fh5 on it and made sure to sign into the same account that I’ve been using for years on my Xbox but none of my stuff carried over and I got started back from the beginning after like 700 hours on the game so I then gave up and went to play it on my Xbox and turns out I lost all my stuff on there too. So if anyone happens to know how to help that would be great!
Seems like The Crew 1's *accident* leave impact so much, that Nick needs to make like, how many video was it? I think it's the second now, I thought he's already explained it before That said, he's quite chill to explain, so I can respect on that (TBH, I feels like nobody really talking about delisting when FH3 was about to delist also)
He literally explained how to get a free code if you played on gamepass. Also, unless you physically and purposely delete your save file, you'll be fine. Any form of ownership for the game is just so the system knows you have access to the game
Forza games usually last 4 years and they get removed from sale and FH4 lasted 6 years that's impressive.
I wish FH3 lasted this long
@@dylan-jordan Tell me about it! I got FH3 in 2021, 6 months after they delisted the game on online stores.
@@ShyGuyBay how??
@@coolkidnathan_1 I got FH3 physical and never got the DLC
@@coolkidnathan_1they probably got a used copy. i did the same when i got fh2 a few months after that was delisted.
Not allowing cars in photos if they arent in first place is wild. Insecurityyyyy
Italians...
Its called indirect marketing, ferrari arent insecure theyre a billion dollar corporation lmao
@@Archeoptery Well, Ferrari's elitist ownership policies sure do a lot to reduce their bottom-line. All they want is brand elitism, to be seen as above every other manufacturer even if it costs them loads of money in lower sales numbers and loads of people being turned off of Ferrari by their sheer gall and boundless pride. Frankly, sure this would normally be indirect marketing, but when you take that with all the other crap they do, they sure do seem very insecure in their reputation. Despite his personality and intense focus on making the greatest possible race cars, Enzo would probably be disappointed in the direction of his company despite all their motorsport victories since his death.
@@Archeopteryso why aren't Lamborghini doing the same- oh right they aren't insecured.
@@Dont14-r4k Because Lamborghini doesn't have the same marketing strategy? These are faceless, giant corporations, not people. They aren't 'insecure', they don't care.
"There is a rumour that Ferrari forces developers to put their cars in front of the pack in every screenshot, video etc."
I think I finally get why the intro video for Need for Speed 6 Hot Pursuit 2 has the Ferrari 360 Spider in front of the Lamborghini Murcielago and the Lamborghini Diablo cop car. And that game came out back in 2002.
Ferrari alone can't force any devs to stop releasing their game when there are 100 of other car manufacturers out there
@@01iverQueen they can and do if they want to have ferraris in the game lol
@@charliesolloway2832 that's not how it works, or have you not watched this video? It's not just Ferrari that's in the game. There are other brands too
@@01iverQueen that was the entire point they can put that in the contract and force them to agree if they want them in the game
@@charliesolloway2832If any dev is just gonna sit and allow Ferrari to allegedly control them like that, then they're better off passing on Ferrari altogether & going on a strike! 😏
Because enough is simply enough with their communism type ways lmao
I just looked at a bunch of official F1 covers and realized that in a lot of those covers where Ferrari logo is present whether it be a car or a driver, either their driver (Charles Leclerc) or their F1 cars are in the front of the cover. I never really thought of this up until it was mentioned!! I can't believe I learned something new today!!
Licensing is complicated
hi nick your vids make my day say hi kavyansh if you saw this comment
😮 interesting... explains why I can't find physical copies of FH1 and FH3 then...
Especially for you and the average AR12 viewer
While it's been a regular cycle on Forza games, I'm surprised people quite surprised and talking much about it when FH4 about to get delisted TBH
It’s definitely complicated Nick
I'm a QA Dev for a game coming out next year that's car collecting/drag racing based called Auto Legends. I remember when I started to QA Test the Visual Modifications for the cars and we had Debadging as an option. I actually asked if it was a bug because I was so surprised the manufacturers were ok with it.
How much is it?
@@samuelblack7314 The game will be free to play on PC, MacOS, iOS and Android.
Licensing sucks man. I’m such a fan of cars and car games. If I owned a car company, if the devs asked me if they could use my cars i would be like “HECK YEAH use my cars in your next Forza horizon game.” I would make them pay the same price license as normal but i would allow that license to NEVER expire for the game they use it on. It advertises my cars. Plus, i would also allow the devs to implement realistic crash physics in their game. Everyone is like “car companies don’t like to see their own cars get wrecked in games.” Quite frankly that sucks. If i owned a car company I wouldn’t care to see my cars get realistically wrecked in Forza horizon game, in fact, i would LOVE to see that lol.
As much as I agree with you here, its just the sad reality of the world that we live in. Some companies don't want to see their product in a wreck because(and I kind of agree with this as well) it would make a bad image on that company. You may like to see your cars in a horizon game being used in a specific way but others don't and we just have to deal with it or else we might not even have that companies cars in the first place.
@@5peedyRN3true. But then again, everyone needs to know and accept that ANY car you buy can in fact get wrecked. Just because you see a car get realistically wrecked in a game should not make anyone scared of buying that car, bringing a bad image to the company. But yeah I understand, that’s just how society works.
You better make a SICK car company BROO!!!
@@esala-t8b yeah man lol😎🔥
@@ALX65Also, i bet most of the ppl that own these cars don't even play these specific games in the first place, so irdk what these overprotective companies are so worried about.
🤷
The owners usually would tend to have enough common sense in separating the virtual from physical world elements anyways.
Played all the forza games. I think 4 had the best gameplay of all of them. It really was a gem. Despite the engine sounds being robotic af, very spotty, some being great and some being a literal crime.
(Tbf I only played forza 3 for like 6 hrs, but I have 200+ on the rest.)
I should mention the ai was completely broken in horizon 4 lmao.
I just wish companies communicated this stuff better. If every public facing decision was explained this well, a lot fewer people would be upset.
Sadly, they are often Forbidden from Communicating this Information by their Publishers under Non Disclosure Agreements.
Ferrari has a funny story connected with real racing 3 game, only to this manufacturer you can't add any decails, only think that you can modyficate is a paint color (only official one released).
In almost all games they've been into, it was sort of the same thing:
The Crew 1: only manufacturer paint allowed
NFS15: wheel customization locked
Forza: the 458 went from LB kit in FH3 to basically having nothing, even in FM8 where they ended up yeeting the kit that was apparently introduced
The funnier part being is that, you have a higher chance to get sued if you edit their logo, rather than having a weird paintjob (which NFS Unbound demonstrates well since there's no lock of any sort, except the windows not rolling down at the start of races)
Ferrari generally is not a big fan of people customising their cars. To them, putting a widebody on a Ferrari is like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa.
That ferrari thing i find hilarious (i know its not known for sure) but jeez they have to be seen as 'the best' lol
Ironically, they aren't. Lamborghinis are always supposedly known to be faster, and other brands like Bugatti have made cars that out perform both of them.
Ferrari is just desperate to be seen as the best, rather than actually trying to be the best. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with them usually only coming in red, yellow, silver and black though...
They better put a sale on the DLC.
Everything apart from hotwheels dlc is included in ultimate edition
Hes talking about horizon 4. You do know the game has been on sale like every other week? Including dlc. I dont want to jinx the dlc part. Ive owned most dlc anyway
I wish they still sold the DLC. Now they only sell the Standard, deluxe & Ultimate edition. I hope it goes back on sale. It was a couple weeks ago.
We are talking about forza horizon 4, not 3 or 5
@panzerkampfapple7058 I own the standard edition though, I don't want to fork out for the ultimate edition unless it's stupid cheap.
I would like to say you can get a new copy of the game after it is delisted by picking up a physical copy like from the game stop or a store like that. Or sometimes people will sell game codes online, and you can buy those. In 2019 i got FH2 from Game stop, and in 2022, i ordered FH3 off of Amazon
They did this to the crew 1 and it broke me
Still one of my favourite games
After hearing this news I looked for a way to buy this game.I managed to find a toys shop that sold one while I was travelling in the UK and bought it for only 10 pounds(around 13 USD and 18 CAD). Glad I managed to buy it that before it's too late.
Edit: This is a great video for anyone who doesn't know why FH4 is delisted, but also how licensing works and why some cars in older games did not make a return in later games, as well as other stuff related to real cars in games
Ay, good for you on copping a gem and most importantly, i'm just appreciative that someone FINALLY acknowledged the CAD price for once, since 9×Outta10 they usually ALWAYS stop @ USD lol
You could have bought the Ultimate Edition of the game 80% off on Steam market place.
Hope everyone has a great day!
I'm in a music business and I have some experience with licensing. You did a really good job of explaining to everyone
As everyone knows mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships for fh4 thats why the senna got added and they ended up making 3 different ones in the game there was the autamun 1 the winter 1 and the either the summer or spring 1 i dont remember but yeah mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships in fh4. And also there was the normal senna that was in the autoshow but yeah.
Great video Nick! I learned a lot of new things I didn’t really even consider. Might I add, I believe part of a licensing deal “expiring” means that Forza (for example) is not allowed to make money on those licenses, which is why the game isn’t necessarily going away, but they can’t make profit from it once the license agreement is over
This is what tc1 shoud of done leave it online
Why are people acting surprised that is happening ? Every racing game ever, not just forza, gets delistes after an certain amount of time. Plus why would a developer keep paying for a licensing for a game when majority of people don't play that game anymore?
@@thesadpanda_ Also because there's still quite a lot of people playing FH4 so that's why many people were concerned about it too, compared to other older games
it's probably because Forza does it the "fastest" compared to the game's launch. Second is probably Gran Turismo, but you can still buy games like Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 and newer ones.
Every single game ever will delist. Hope that helps with the cope.
@@thesadpanda_i think even more people assume that after what happened with the crew 1
idk about you but I can still buy MC:LA or BO:P without issue
What im saying is that only forza and a few other games do it
Not so fussed about Horizon 4, it's had a good run. I just want to buy the FH1, 2 and 3 DLC
Thank you for this video yesterday I watched it and today is black Friday and I went and purchased a copy for 12 bucks have a good day
This is why it's better to buy the most expensive edition of the game from launch so that you can get all the dlcs at once.
Or... I bought the DLC bundle years ago, and have the physical disc.
This is sad that forza horizon 4 is being delisted
Hopefully you will be sad when FH5 is delisted? Then FH6. 7, 8, 9, 10 etc. It's not sad. It's life.
Every other Forza game has been delisted, the fact that this video had to be made in the first place is absolutely ridiculous.
@@eriklarson9137 yeah
im gonna buy the ultimate edition since its 20 dollars on steam i mean i never owned a forza horizon game and my system is able to handle forza horizon 5 since i played it on game pass but i dont have game pass anymore and i dont even want to renew it after the price increase. FH4 will definitely run solid on my system
I'm so glad I managed to buy this game with all its DLC's like 2 years ago. I had so much fun playing FH4 and it's honestly sad to see the game being delisted but I already expected it to happen sooner or later. Hopefully, it being delisted means that Forza Horizon 6 is somewhat close to being at least announced. They are delisting the game because of the obvious licensing issue and because they don't want to have 3 Forza Horizon games on gamepass and on the store.
Every single game will be delisted and go away at some point. Period. Hope that helps.
I'm so glad I managed to buy this game with all its DLCs like 1 month ago for 90% off
@2:26 No, you don't but otherwise the guns of the state comes into play.
@3:03 This doesn't matter if you own a physical copy because you cannot remove content from physical copies. That is the only difference. It is not like you'd own the game if you own a physical copy.
It's also interesting with licencing that hot wheels doesn't have a licencing agreement with Ferrari anymore so you can't get a model of a Ferrari, the licensing agreement ended in the early 2010s and I'm guessing Ferrari won't let hot wheels renew it.
Its because Hot Wheels cars are not true 1:64, theyre sliiiiiiiightly squashed and stretched to make them roll better. Ferrari took this as a significant enough change to their designs that they backed out of their license with Mattel entirely, not just Hot Wheels. That unfortunately meant that despite the much more close to "true" 1:64 proportions of Matchbox cars, they also lost the license too. 😢
@@scarleteye2 oh ok that makes sense
Daym. I got a 458, 599, and ff on my desk. Didn’t know they were rare.
It’s ashamed they are delisting FH4. But I’m more ashamed that I can’t get the DLC for FH1-3. As well as other racing games like Test Drive Unlimited 1-2 or FM1-7 :(
im always wtchiny you vids in the first ten mins
It was great until they didn’t add the packs to the gold edition of the game.
Forza 5 challenge idea: best car for every class. Everyone picks car then first race in B class. Next upgrade that same car to A class and so on until S2
(Make sure to choose a car with enough upgrades to get from B to S2)
Sadly The reason they are delisting Forza Horizon 4, is because the new Forza Horizon 6 is coming out next year in 2025, it is ironically just on the horizon.
Thats why They don't want Forza Horizon 4 (which is still a great game btw) to interfere with their newer sales of next-generation Forza Horizon 6’s sales when it gets released next year.
Thats why they delisting FH4 this year
Just cashed in my 1 free month of Game Pass and FH4 is on the list of games I'm going to play
Been through this on pc with fh3 just make sure u own it on the platforms u play on
wassup nick, didn’t know you was chill like that 🥶
I wasn’t able to purchase the DLCs in time. I will never get to experience that content.
Does not make sense if there isn't money in the game. Its all Forza doing to shove Forza Horizon 6 out. That's all I see licensed materials or copyright for these days.
Basically Syndrome meme from The Incredibless. When everything Is Copyrighted. Nothing is free.
By the way. I do not see Forza Horizon 4 any older game that has been appreciated disappearing. I just see not selling a bad choice.
Honestly, I don't want or like the idea of delisting games tbh, just let games stay regardless, all these licences are holding them for ransom or such, this why I don't like digital or digital only games tbh, and if they are pushing digital only consoles, then things will get worse and we cannot preserve these games tbh, we should preserve them, game preservation should be important tbh, hate all the bureaucracy behind it all, just let games be games and leave them be, and leave us gamers alone and let us choose what we want to play, so yeah
Why is life so complicated for forza games
It's not just Forza that gets delisted.....any game that has elements that's licensed has potential to be delisted.
@@tdeclan3350 "It's not just Forza that gets delisted." Its every single game that ever has or will be created will be delisted. Period. Does that help?
It can happen to any game. Even gta eventually (rockstar usually extends their licence though) . Think of all the licensing rockstar has to do for gta 5. The 100s of songs, locations and whatever else. No game is safe
@@tdeclan3350but nfs games from a decade ago is still available on steam
When I found out about this I was so mad like "dang I gotta buy this now while I can".. but no I already own it so I'm good lol. But still that stinks because there won't be any new players...
the Ferrari licensing agreement was wild! as in it wants to be seen in *front* as much as possible until it's visible enough to stand out!
Ferrari used to back it up. Now they are kinda like Lamborghini. Pumping out many models for the over saturated market. But who cares tbh with brands like koenigsegg these days that break every number on the chart. I’d still rather own a NA v12 Ferrari though.
FH4 was my first ever steam purchased game . Genuinely not bad
4 honestly feels better than 5
Rip FH4. You were the first forza game in the forza series I played.
You can still play it if you bought the Ultimate Edition 80% off on Steam or somewhere else.
@ what?
2:43 imagine how funny it would have been if Nick used the "I will find you" quote from Liam Neeson's Taken movie here.
Sadly the weekly trials are just a repeat of 77. I wish they would of let it start from the beginning of the trials.
i have the game digital, so when i delete it can i still re-download it?
I believe so
Yes
Nick, I have a question.
I’m debating on getting FH4 before it leaves in December, I want it so bad but I don’t know if I should get it.
And also, about the game token.
If I downloaded FH4 from gamepass, I just get the token? Or do I need to download it from gamepass, buy a DLC then I get the token?
Microsoft said those who will buy it in xbox game pass before 29th June they will recieve a token laterly for this game.
For you it would be better if you download it directly in your pc or buy a copy for this game ( windows version)
Ouch...I learnt something. 🧠
Licensing issues with Porsche is also the reason why Ruf isn't in the game.
This is so sad man. great games like forza horizon and grid are lost forever
Who remembers the fh 2 fast and furious dlc
I’m pretty sure the main stream panic was due to Ubisoft and the crew being removed from anything.
I guess this is why there are cracks out there on running the game for free, because there is no other way to get the game anymore
I can't believe this video was needed 🤦
Nick and keep up the good work real true and I good the video
FH4 was an absolute amazing game
Forza needs to stop doing these licensing for real world areas bc if most NFS and TDU can be played to this day old motorsports and Horizon should be able to stay online still
Huh? The old FH games are still online. You just cannot buy them anymore. If you own the game you can still play them.
How do defunct manufacturer licensing agreements work? Like if Saturn was put into FH5, would devs have to go to GM?
Also why GTA 5 has stayed around for so long. About zero licensing other than songs. Knockoff cars, brands, locations, etc
Speaking of complicated licensing Porshe is another one that is really picky look how long it took them to agree to be in Forza and not just be a RUF custom. Even the first time back they wanted to be a paid DLC and the damage models has to be scaled back. Even in the toy world they refused to allow Hasbro to use the Porshe logos on Jazz or Dead end all because they didn't want their name on a toy that turned into a fighting robot in a war (might have to do with something in the 1940's)
Also yes Ferrari is very picky when Mattel Hot Wheels started putting nonofficial looking graphics on the cars back in the mid 2010's they didn't renew the licensing granted you can put whatever you want on them in the creative hub but for mass-market it was a no no. Also, that why some other brands sold them as 1:64th model kits so they were no longer toy cars but a model kit.
At least they are keeping the online stuff up and even can still play it offline unlike The Crew games once they go offline they will be dead since no offline support for them.
This is why we need more burnout games
So essentially if I want the developers to put in a 1998 Ford Mercury Mountaineer in the game they would have to go to Ford and ask them for it and if so how do I do that???
Wouldn’t be that bad if they were actually releasing titles every 2 years like how they used to.
Nobody knows the license agreement. It would be nice to know how long a game will last.
Still haven't received the game token despite having all the DLC bar one, thanks Microsoft.
damn a lot of games have been getting delisted this year like spec ops the line :(
All racing games are being delisted 😆 how can anyone ask this question.. It's not like you can still buy FH1, 2, and 3 still
It is licencing, but I would say it's all Ferrari's fault. Every time. Otherwise we could have it for a few more years.
The thing that always gets me about delisting and why they SHOULDNT do it is that people that are passionate, theyre going to find ways to get the game anyway. (Yo ho ho, you are a pirate!!)
bro thinks they delist by choice lol
Once you volunteer to provide lifetime support, servers, bug fixes, on and on and on, companies can stop delisting. So, do you have a few billion laying around? No? Why do you hate FH4? I assume you are like 12, so here is some sage info. Nothing lasts forever my friend.
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I just started playing again since I don’t have forza 5 just gonna have to buy them both now lol
Well hey, I still own it, maybe I should get my best tunes out there, And move over to Fh5
Were all the songs in FH4 caught with copyright strike?
Hey nick I thought I might as well give it a shot reaching out to you on this topic. I recently got a pc and downloaded fh5 on it and made sure to sign into the same account that I’ve been using for years on my Xbox but none of my stuff carried over and I got started back from the beginning after like 700 hours on the game so I then gave up and went to play it on my Xbox and turns out I lost all my stuff on there too. So if anyone happens to know how to help that would be great!
There is no cross-saves between pc and console unfortunately.
Since Pontic and Plymouth aren’t a thing anymore, who signs the license? Mopar and GM?
Yes, because even though they are defunct brands, Chrysler still owns Plymouth and GM still owns Pontiac
You should do a challenge video of what’s the best speed champions Lego set car like the Supra that you have
But when Horizon 5 shuts down, you basically have an empty disc. So the only way of preservation remains piracy.
6:57 Man, Ferrari is so cool.
I found out today a get it the deluxe
i still haven't got my code yet , bought Fortune Island in 2021 and still continuing from GP ultimate to PC Gamepass
Can you put the car volume up, I can’t hear the car
This Is Why I Stopped Playing These Games The Last Game I Played Was Forza 3
This changes nothing for the majority of this audience… we all own the game and played it for years
Hi. I'm very new to gaming...I've just bought Forza 4. Will I be able to continue playing it through 2025? Thanks
Yes
again i dont think the licence is the reason is not in a forza game if it where i doubt motorfest and gt7 would have the car
WE NEED MORE BBS WHEELS ......
Wait so if you have a fully payed game pass, when do you get the code for fh4?
All i wanna know is can we still bug the dlcs after it gets delisted?
Recently I bought is on Steam, and I had it on PC game pass, Can I link Steam version to my PC Game pass account ? and keep all my cars on steam ?
What date do we get the code for the game have I missed it
Aight imma go to a universe where licensing doesn't exist
I think I know why it's because forza ain't payin for all of forza games to be lisenced
Will you still be able to buy the forza horizon 4 dlc like the Lego pack and fortune island
You cant even now
They're included in the ultimate edition.
i always wondered why there is no rolls royce in fh4 ?
Seems like The Crew 1's *accident* leave impact so much, that Nick needs to make like, how many video was it? I think it's the second now, I thought he's already explained it before
That said, he's quite chill to explain, so I can respect on that (TBH, I feels like nobody really talking about delisting when FH3 was about to delist also)
Lots of skill issues in the camaro
How the hell are point able to play the older games???
I have it on game pass will I still be able to play ( I have game pass ultimate)
Could I buy it off game pass so my progress stays
He literally explained how to get a free code if you played on gamepass. Also, unless you physically and purposely delete your save file, you'll be fine. Any form of ownership for the game is just so the system knows you have access to the game
@@williamulrey4552yeah I heard but I was wondering if the free pass was for listed games only
will it be removed from gamepass