Where did he state it was illegal? He just mentioned the mclaren is the benchmark and that it is probably because of the frontwing. He never mentioned illegal.
So you gonna ignore Hamilton and Alonso wanting the same. Also let's not forget how everyone wanted Redbull to be investigated. Like it or not, F1 has always been about who finds grey areas in the ruleset.
I remember this! I hope McLaren didn't do anything illegal as this would be a massive blow to their supporters (including myself ) though, I do not think that they did.
Has Red Bull even done any upgrades this season? Horner didn't accuse McLaren of cheating, he just said that they seem to have found a performance gain in the front wing.
Dont liste to this dude... Red Bull did manage to make the car faster however it lost balance but definitetly got faster. McLaren just happened to upgrade better and faster which is crazy
It's always surprising how Mclarens tyres stay good for so long even though both drivers are pushing. maybe a weight thing or just good balance? who knows but it's impressive.
😂 but RB going from a rocket to 2nd or 3rd after new reg update isn’t been questioned as much as it should be but McLaren making progress should be investigated meticulously
red bull was alsi investigated and was found within the rules. also FIA said there was no team using the illegal braking system. if u believe what FIA says or not doesnt matter. just 1 example of red bull being looked at
Last season max was so dominant it in the redbull and leading races by insane margins as well. Mclaren slowly moved up the grid, and this year just made great improvements while everyone else was barely progressing.
Bro mclaren has been an f1 for so many years that it is not surprising, they have massive experience compared to merc and Redbull. Ferrari has experience as well but they are stupid to use it
Will tbf after max realised he couldn't beat lando he just backed off abit to save the car, also given the fact he only has one engine left no need to risk a penalty later down the line from pushing the car unnecessarily
That's not surprising.....RedBull calling-out another team thinking they're up to no good....They're sore losers and they're usually the one's doing the dodgey sh1t !!
We should expect top results from team McLaren they have proven in the past to be a great competitor. I wish them more of the same for all F1 fan. Any team that brings excellence to the grid should be praised. No one should flatly dominate, it's boring. My favorite is when everyone is pushing for top performance wheel to wheel to get ahead of their proximate competitor. Dont cry fight, you want to complain, go and have a beer. Races are won on the cad system, in manufacturing, in the concepts, in the garage, in the management, and by drivers. If you master all you win. McLaren stuck their pins on the board lets enjoy the moment and support all teams to compete to beat them.
Protesting like this is a3rd grade effort. RB brake issue was "illegal" with the original language and all finishes with that configuration shoul also be addressed instead of merely adding new language to "clarify" what was already there since the FIA had earlier on ordered the brake modification to be removed. The whole thing with these political schrads needs to come to an end.
what about mercedes, people accused red bull of cheating, when Mercedes won 3/4 of last races, and now after this rule change before the summer break they’re behind ferrari again?
They did. It’s just for the entire season RedBull where running a different suspension setup to every other team, which better suited their aerodynamics, making them really fast
I think McLaren have done everything right and it's legal. The extra wind tunnel time they have been given over red bull is where the engineers found the improvements. Nothing wrong with that they are the rules.
Anybody who beats team RBR FIA always has to deal with additional FIA investigations and scurtiny. Dont worry though the FIA will organise things with stewards and other teams to ensure Max wins another non valid Driver world championship
The MCL 38 is almost a virtual copy of the RB 19, with minor differences from a visual point of view. Their wind tunnel testing at their own venue proves to be a massive bonus as they are extracting massive advantages from ongoing tests.
Rob Marshall moved from RB to McLaren in January, likely with a pocket full of RB design specs and update ideas from RB. It's not really a coincidence that McLaren took off after he showed up. So yah, it is a virtual copy of the RB19 plus the upgrades.
If McLaren go for driver line 1,2 then this is an indication that they are interested in driver championship, not the team championship. Teams should focus on the team championship and let drivers fight for there’s. Then racing will improve. Tinker at your peril
I don't think they run an illegal car, I just think that the others fall off a bit because some upgrades don't work for them so they have to revert or mix up parts which can possibly reduce performance, mclaren's upgrades haven't failed at all though so
FIA still making sure that horner is still at the top. Did it with merc at the end of its dominance doing it now to a team that winning besides their beloved redbull.
It's crazy cause McLaren use to be one of the best teams on the grid and when Hamilton left and the hybrid era came around they fell off but McLaren wasn't a back runner team .
According to the speed graphs, it is the red bull car that became worse with speeding, balance in corners, tire degradation, just as the rule about the braking system was amended to better explain it. Such a coincidence...and horner is pointin fingers at mclaren?
This is a joke, what about the 2023 season huh, were RedBull investigated cuz last time I checked they weren’t but just because RedBull Can’t Stand losing they start Complaining. I didn’t see Mercedes, Ferrari or Aston complaining about the RB19 last season. McLaren are quick and RedBull need to get used to it cuz It’s gonna be the same throughout the last 10 races
They must investigate Mc Claren, the car was slow in the first half and all of a sudden the can beat the red bull with 13 seconds and to simply drive past everyone, Mercedes use the same engine and they can't keep Mc Claren, they must be up to illegal trick. This is now boring with them being so much faster than the rest, Me family and I find it boring and have stop supporting. F1.
So, Mercedes haven't been investigated for illegality for 7 years, Redbul for last 4 years, wtf after just one race where MCLaren has won with 20sec advance is about illegality ???
@@3XICS He has no input anymore, if you decide to leave a team, you have to wait 1 year to join another team, in this timeperiod he no longer allowed to work the the car/develop it, as this could help the new team
A underdog team starts actually making progress and putting in work oh no no red flag RedBull Max Verstappen 22/23 race win in one season of 2023 and no one really says anything
Look, I've said it before and ill say it yet again. The FiA shouldn't be investigating a damn thing. They should be enforcing rules not looking into allegations for a penalty. The investigations should be being done by the FOM. The FiA makes the rules and enforces the rules. The FOM is responsible for legality WITHIN those rules across the grid.
So in other words.. RedBull and Mercedes are bad losers 😂😂 Mclaren is just bringing good updates for the car. Now everyone is looking at Mclaren like they are cheaters. Remember where they come from. From Champions to almost the worst team on the grid and then working almost 10years to get back to the top and this is what they get from other teams... Disgusting behavior.
McLaren spent the last few years raging about the fact that RB must be cheating and insisting everything on the car be investigated. Brown has bitched non-stop. Loud mouth brown is probably the worst loser of all.
F1 nowdays its like women TV series. Gossip, spy-story...sometimes politics... It become One of most boring Motorsport enterneiment. They are focused on ppl and other stuff, sometimes yeah on mechanics and technologics but come on, we wanna see much more enterneiment on track.
McLaren have never stopped sniping at Red Bull so seems obvious a sudden surge in performance would be investigated. It might keep motormouth Brown quiet for a bit.
Annoying that McLaren dominates one race and everyone rushes to investigate when redbull had done it for the last 2.5 years and everyone just accepted it.
Thats Redbull unconsciously stating they have been cheating since 2020 & not understanding how they are being beat by another team without them cheating like Redbull has been.. no other explanation 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
F1 has never been about the rules , it’s always been about exploring what isn’t specifically written in the rules .
Well done McLaren, more power to your upgrades, Williams next please !
I know! They are due for a comeback so bad!
Horner "we need to find more performance" also horner accusing other team of cheating to gain more performance
frfr
Where did he state it was illegal? He just mentioned the mclaren is the benchmark and that it is probably because of the frontwing. He never mentioned illegal.
😂🤣😂
So you gonna ignore Hamilton and Alonso wanting the same. Also let's not forget how everyone wanted Redbull to be investigated. Like it or not, F1 has always been about who finds grey areas in the ruleset.
Same thing Christian Horner told Toto wolff to change the fucking car...!!
Oh I bet a similar front wing is already in the making
I remember this! I hope McLaren didn't do anything illegal as this would be a massive blow to their supporters (including myself ) though, I do not think that they did.
So it was OK for Mercedes and Redbull to be dominant over the years but not Mclaren
probably just happened to do this at a weird time lol
True
Illegal*
It's only because they had a huge in season boost, that's the unusual part.
Literally every team ever got called cheating by their rivals
Has Red Bull even done any upgrades this season? Horner didn't accuse McLaren of cheating, he just said that they seem to have found a performance gain in the front wing.
Dont liste to this dude... Red Bull did manage to make the car faster however it lost balance but definitetly got faster. McLaren just happened to upgrade better and faster which is crazy
It's always surprising how Mclarens tyres stay good for so long even though both drivers are pushing. maybe a weight thing or just good balance? who knows but it's impressive.
😂 but RB going from a rocket to 2nd or 3rd after new reg update isn’t been questioned as much as it should be but McLaren making progress should be investigated meticulously
buddy we beeen the 3rd fastest even before the regulations update... ever since newly left so idk where you getting at
Red bull was already crap starting in imola
Womp womp, everyone’s guilty except McLaren? Do you understand the sport you’re watching?
red bull was alsi investigated and was found within the rules. also FIA said there was no team using the illegal braking system. if u believe what FIA says or not doesnt matter. just 1 example of red bull being looked at
How many times did max win by 20sec????
once this season ;)
Last season max was so dominant it in the redbull and leading races by insane margins as well. Mclaren slowly moved up the grid, and this year just made great improvements while everyone else was barely progressing.
How is this about max?
@@henrixrahe max was winning by far last season now that norris wins everyone says thy cheating
@@jaco6202 but max himself is not the one accusing maclaren of cheating, quite the opposite. That’s what I meant.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Investigate Redbull too.... they were second at Zandvort
😂
on +22.89? aint no way 😂
RB and FIA lawyers be like: How can we distract everyone from our braking scandal?
I aint gonna lie jumping 22 seconds ahead 1 race later is a bit suspicious honeslty speaking
Bro mclaren has been an f1 for so many years that it is not surprising, they have massive experience compared to merc and Redbull. Ferrari has experience as well but they are stupid to use it
@@pantherhermgaming6910ferrari have good engineering but sh*t at strategy
Will tbf after max realised he couldn't beat lando he just backed off abit to save the car, also given the fact he only has one engine left no need to risk a penalty later down the line from pushing the car unnecessarily
Winning 3 races is hardly domination.
Because they finally got a wind tunnel might have something Todo with it.
Joss has the fastest mouth in the F1 paddock.
That's not surprising.....RedBull calling-out another team thinking they're up to no good....They're sore losers and they're usually the one's doing the dodgey sh1t !!
I really love it when teams do this. I only want problems
I would love to see a refresh of the top teams being something like McLaren, Aston Martin and something random like a Williams or an Audi
Not a mention of an investigation 🤷🏼♂️
We should expect top results from team McLaren they have proven in the past to be a great competitor. I wish them more of the same for all F1 fan. Any team that brings excellence to the grid should be praised. No one should flatly dominate, it's boring. My favorite is when everyone is pushing for top performance wheel to wheel to get ahead of their proximate competitor. Dont cry fight, you want to complain, go and have a beer. Races are won on the cad system, in manufacturing, in the concepts, in the garage, in the management, and by drivers. If you master all you win. McLaren stuck their pins on the board lets enjoy the moment and support all teams to compete to beat them.
Protesting like this is a3rd grade effort. RB brake issue was "illegal" with the original language and all finishes with that configuration shoul also be addressed instead of merely adding new language to "clarify" what was already there since the FIA had earlier on ordered the brake modification to be removed. The whole thing with these political schrads needs to come to an end.
what about mercedes, people accused red bull of cheating, when Mercedes won 3/4 of last races, and now after this rule change before the summer break they’re behind ferrari again?
Why did FiA not investigate Redbull in 2023 when they were dominating. It shows double standards that FiA follows.
They did. It’s just for the entire season RedBull where running a different suspension setup to every other team, which better suited their aerodynamics, making them really fast
I think McLaren have done everything right and it's legal. The extra wind tunnel time they have been given over red bull is where the engineers found the improvements. Nothing wrong with that they are the rules.
Why no pictures of the Mclaren wings at full speed compared to the wings at slow speed?
Anybody who beats team RBR FIA always has to deal with additional FIA investigations and scurtiny.
Dont worry though the FIA will organise things with stewards and other teams to ensure Max wins another non valid Driver world championship
The MCL 38 is almost a virtual copy of the RB 19, with minor differences from a visual point of view.
Their wind tunnel testing at their own venue proves to be a massive bonus as they are extracting massive advantages from ongoing tests.
Rob Marshall moved from RB to McLaren in January, likely with a pocket full of RB design specs and update ideas from RB. It's not really a coincidence that McLaren took off after he showed up. So yah, it is a virtual copy of the RB19 plus the upgrades.
If McLaren go for driver line 1,2 then this is an indication that they are interested in driver championship, not the team championship. Teams should focus on the team championship and let drivers fight for there’s. Then racing will improve. Tinker at your peril
Domination???
Give me a break
Sounds like it might be sour grapes. If they found something then you need to work harder. 🏎
I don't think they run an illegal car, I just think that the others fall off a bit because some upgrades don't work for them so they have to revert or mix up parts which can possibly reduce performance, mclaren's upgrades haven't failed at all though so
Red Bull doesn’t have the space for a nice breeze to flow and create a good down force
Lando himself said he was hungry for wins, freshened up after summer break and said “let the fun begin”
every corner switches automatically,, Artificial Intelligence.
Welcome back McLaren
Well hopefully mclaren is really.just making progress and not cheating in anyway. Im praying mclaren is good to go .
FIA still making sure that horner is still at the top. Did it with merc at the end of its dominance doing it now to a team that winning besides their beloved redbull.
It's crazy cause McLaren use to be one of the best teams on the grid and when Hamilton left and the hybrid era came around they fell off but McLaren wasn't a back runner team .
I think they may want over the budget cab
Lets be real. Rules only apply to non british teams with non british drivers..
Upgrades cost money are McLaren over budget
According to the speed graphs, it is the red bull car that became worse with speeding, balance in corners, tire degradation, just as the rule about the braking system was amended to better explain it. Such a coincidence...and horner is pointin fingers at mclaren?
RB (or should I say, Horner) is mad that they got caught cheating again... If Max leaves RB, they gona be relegated to the midfield again.
Does anyone have more details about what Lewis and Alonso found??
Not Horner accusing people of cheating when he finds out his team is being contested…
I can only say to Horner "Change your f*king car!"
Lando’s fastest lap wasn’t half a second faster than Lewis, it was half a tenth of a second.
This is a joke, what about the 2023 season huh, were RedBull investigated cuz last time I checked they weren’t but just because RedBull Can’t Stand losing they start Complaining. I didn’t see Mercedes, Ferrari or Aston complaining about the RB19 last season. McLaren are quick and RedBull need to get used to it cuz It’s gonna be the same throughout the last 10 races
Bc Perez showed that either he is shite or max is just better than everybody else. Turns out Perez is just shite.
You didnt see the other teams complaining about the RB19 last season? Did you even watch? Brown never shut up about it.
Funny how last year redbull dominated everyone yet they done nothing. Now redbull not beating everyone there moaning
Here we go again when a team starts performing better then others, mercedes,red bull and now mclaren, whos next?
cmon seriouslly every race its just constantly "mclaren are cheating" just admit we are amazing this season
It's got nothing to do with front axle bias braking red bull lost recently
They must investigate Mc Claren, the car was slow in the first half and all of a sudden the can beat the red bull with 13 seconds and to simply drive past everyone, Mercedes use the same engine and they can't keep Mc Claren, they must be up to illegal trick. This is now boring with them being so much faster than the rest, Me family and I find it boring and have stop supporting. F1.
So, Mercedes haven't been investigated for illegality for 7 years, Redbul for last 4 years, wtf after just one race where MCLaren has won with 20sec advance is about illegality ???
Newey leaving RB making the car slow🤔🙄
It wouldn't change so fast
@@3XICS I mean but it did, ever since they updated the car after his leaving it got slower
@@qwhx123a-n9z I doubt he had no input on that update.
@@3XICS He has no input anymore, if you decide to leave a team, you have to wait 1 year to join another team, in this timeperiod he no longer allowed to work the the car/develop it, as this could help the new team
Lmao the fact that people forget mclaren is not a new to F1 they know what they are doing
They do anything to make Redbull "the devil" wins
Finaly f1 is becoming entertaining again
No no, it's just shifting from RB winning all the races to McLaren winning all the races side🤣
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I’m getting Nikki vs James vibes from this
So Werstapen candy win F1 it's just fixed champion 3 tiams
A underdog team starts actually making progress and putting in work oh no no red flag
RedBull Max Verstappen 22/23 race win in one season of 2023 and no one really says anything
I don't trust FIA for a minute ok they are saying all these because their beloved redbull ass have been kicked solidly
Why people crying if its legal nobody can't do anything if its illegal they should be punished
7:59 _Levverage_ ??? Why the 'Merkinism?
Can we hv more than one crappie tyre supplier
This MC car should already be in jail, as FNT.
And both for different reasons.
Look, I've said it before and ill say it yet again. The FiA shouldn't be investigating a damn thing. They should be enforcing rules not looking into allegations for a penalty. The investigations should be being done by the FOM. The FiA makes the rules and enforces the rules. The FOM is responsible for legality WITHIN those rules across the grid.
Orange car bad
No more wins for Max and RB.
Rb? Racing bull havent win yet this year
RB = Red Bull. But it should be rbr@@csabazombori9862
Is obvious McLaren has being cheating for a while
because they dominated a whole season of f1? no wait that was redbull
@@coopermoore5541ikr how many times did verstappen win by 20+ seconds and before him it was Hamilton
So in other words.. RedBull and Mercedes are bad losers 😂😂 Mclaren is just bringing good updates for the car. Now everyone is looking at Mclaren like they are cheaters. Remember where they come from. From Champions to almost the worst team on the grid and then working almost 10years to get back to the top and this is what they get from other teams... Disgusting behavior.
McLaren spent the last few years raging about the fact that RB must be cheating and insisting everything on the car be investigated. Brown has bitched non-stop. Loud mouth brown is probably the worst loser of all.
And who mentioned cheating? You! 😂😂
F1 nowdays its like women TV series. Gossip, spy-story...sometimes politics...
It become One of most boring Motorsport enterneiment. They are focused on ppl and other stuff, sometimes yeah on mechanics and technologics but come on, we wanna see much more enterneiment on track.
😂😂 classic redbull
McLaren have never stopped sniping at Red Bull so seems obvious a sudden surge in performance would be investigated. It might keep motormouth Brown quiet for a bit.
True but I think the performance gain seems more than it actually is due to the new reg stopping RBs uneven break bias
I don't newy is in development meeting anymore sq that's why is gone to shit
Rubbish
twenty second win of Norris? I think you got something wrong mate
Norris won the Dutch gp by 22.9 seconds
Last year 0 investigation for Redbull !! Bravo Fia!
Annoying that McLaren dominates one race and everyone rushes to investigate when redbull had done it for the last 2.5 years and everyone just accepted it.
I knew they might be cheating
Thats Redbull unconsciously stating they have been cheating since 2020 & not understanding how they are being beat by another team without them cheating like Redbull has been.. no other explanation 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Max is a cheater
Redbull is nothing but a bully in F1, verstapen needs to stop crying and focus on just driving.
cheaters
cry
Womp womp better than 2023 season
@lazyboy29-cool44 most toxic f1 fan ever
Cry about it