This is something i think people didnt realise and its a full circle moment. Zoro was a bit overconfident thinking he could do with less than three swords perhaps, but so was Lucci. We've seen Lucci as a kid take cannonballs to the back on purpose, and i believe this was much the same. He wanted to tough it out.
I agree. Also full circle, is that scene where Luffy was still standing during their fight. I think this scene was homage to that, in way of Lucci respecting Luffy. Another Luffy dub
Perfectly Explained. Perfect video. Perfect analysis. I am truly impressed 😮 Edit: Also I'd like to add the dialogue Zoro and Lucci had pre fight and during the fight. Prior to the fight beginning Zoro checked Lucci for being sneaky and waiting for backup before growing a pair. Then during the fight before Zoro stated that Lucci wasn't even strong enough to worry Luffy, the crew asked Zoro if he needed help and Zoro literally told them to leave lol That alone proved that Zoro was fighting a winning fight. But like bro said... Zoro tends to fall in love with battles more than he should so he lost sight of what was important which was ending the battle quickly. Zoro does not fight like this when his life is on the line. When his life is on the line he goes all out. But against Lucci he never went all out.
He also didn't know his life was in danger (What's currently happening on Egghead), If he knew that he would've either tried to finish Lucci quickly & go to help the others
@@CrimsonGold-pq8xyzoro felt Saturns haki as soon as he landed on egghead. Considering Zoro already knew luffy was fighting kizaru Zoro def knew the danger the crew was in. The only reason this fight lasted this long is because Oda wanted Zoro off screen for the other events to occur.
@@rickthomson2773 I'm not going to lie some of the things I've been hearing is from agenda pushers and Zoro is closer to Luffy in power not gear 5 or anything like that I'm talking about his feets like advanced conquerors (not as good as luffy's advanced conquerors though obviously)
@hystericalakamega It really looked like he was actually keeping up with Gear 5 for the most part, at least when it comes to speed, and he was able to keep up with Bound Man in just his hybrid form. In overall strength, he was completely outclassed. But Luffy wouldn't be in a completely separate tier compared to Zoro when it comes to overall fighting ability since he also has acoc and acoa, as well as a fighting style that makes Gear 5s durability useless.
People really underestimate Rokushiki (six powers) and by extension Lucci. Rokushiki users had post timeskip strawhats feats (usually needing to be accomplished with haki) way before the timeskip: • luffy can break steel back on the baratie and zoro can cut steel back in alabasta but cp9 tanks with tekkai • sanji didnt replicate geppo until mid-timeskip • zoro wasnt able to send flying slashes with his limbs (and had to use hakk) until wano • whitebeard and oden can be shot and killed with regular flintlock pistols, yet rifle and cannon fire bounces off of luffy since the beginjing of the series. Yet lucci can completely pierce luffy witb a finger gun All those rokushiki feats were pretimeskip and most of them were able to be used by most cp9 members WITHOUT HAKI and lucci was the strongest and most profecient in base, then add: • not just a zoan DF that already increases raw physical prowess, but a carniverous type which has even more than an average • haki to further increase damage and durability • and then awaken his DF on top of all of that Zoro handling Lucci that well despite everything is only a testament to how strong Zoro actually is. Any amount of struggle is not an antifeat on Zoro's part
Oda didn’t give this fight any focus that’s why it’s a weird fight to analyze…all i take away from this is that Lucci is definitely stronger than the rest of the strawhats including Sanji & Jimbei because Luffy had to use Gear 5 and Zoro had to use a named attack
I disagree. Gear five was to give the history from the smartest man and give some history to the sun god. Gear 5 luffy easy beat full awaken lucci. And from the maga zoro easilu beat him as well.
I like your points, you gave me the final puzzle piece i needed to understand the scope of this fight Zoro started with his green flames cuz i believe zoro thought he would need it. When he realized "if this is all you can do", he powered down. Even started using just 2 swords. He was suprised the lucci was putting up the fight he was. As soon as zoro's instinct felt Sanji call him dead weight, he got SERIOUS and defeated him instantly. Now i dont think that same attack would one shot a full health lucci. This was an exhausted lucci who had been using stamina to maintain his awakening form to even be able to keep up. Its not full health full stamina lucci, but the attack was still a heck of an attack.
He was probs trying to get a straw hat to “help him” to try and pretend he can’t beat lucci and so the person who comes to help can give him the way back kind of a funny tactic
@@ClarkeMichaelDuncan because he’s not just fighting people to test his strength. He’s trying to grow stronger as a swordsman. And you can grow or learn by clearing through everything
@@FTL_SAN you think he was training? At a time like this? Thats stupid dude😭 he knows the gorosei are on the island and that there haki presence is crazy, if this was about him getting stronger, why would he train with a weaker opponent?
Am I the only one who doesn’t think zoro “isn’t going all out “ when he uses less than 3 swords? Sure zoro’s STROGNEST attacks are 3 swords but there’s no way he isn’t trying at least mid diff just because he’s not using 3 swords. That’s like saying luffy isn’t trying when he uses his cymbal attack because white star gun in stronger
Zoro himself says that Death Lion Song is one of his strongets techniques yet I don't think anyone can argue he is fighting at full efficieny with a single sword. I think it's the same but to a lesser extent when using two swords. Also there is a difference between going all out and trying. Neither the cymbal attack or even White Star Gun are Luffy going all out but he is trying to win of course.
@@beepboop4833ehhh “full efficiency” is kind of a weird statement. What do you even mean that by. He should have max efficiently with ALL his sword styles and techniques. Also the death lion song (something I didn’t even think about) would serve as objective proof zoro can be going all out with multiple different sword styles. Even on the rooftop I believe zoro uses one sword style at some point. And to your point. Sure someone can be “trying” without going all out to an extent. But I don’t think there’s any reason to assume white star gun and his cymbal attacks aren’t all out. It would be like comparing a squat to a lunge. Your maximum output on a squat will always be higher than the maximum output on a lunge but that doesn’t mean you aren’t going all out when you do a lunge just because you can do more weight on a squat. My own personal headcanon (tho this is never hard confirmed) is that much like exercises, different attacks require different amounts of stamina. So characters can’t always just span their strongest attacks just like you can go to the gym and do only squats. You get tired so you move to a leg exercise that’s less intense but you still put maximum effort. One piece characters do this in reverse. Where they still put max effort into their “weaker” attacks until the final clash there they whip out their strongest one time use attacks
It'd be more like like saying Luffy isn't going all out if he isn't using either ACOC or Gear 5. Like, even if Luffy puts 100% effort in base, it still wouldn't be 100% of what he's truly capable of.
Yeah but did he throw out any named attacks in that whole interaction? No. It was only until the end where Zoro started using named attacks and even then Lucci couldn't handle one attack from him.
Lend me some haki Oden, this is Base Lucci we're up against... Honestly though, agenda aside, they weren't fighting for long at all and Zoro was clearly not going all out. People are acting like he drew it out for no reason but he's not gonna do the opposite of Mihawk (even though he should). All in all, the fight was not close and Zoro's really dumb
thank odas writing, if he finished lucci 5 months ago oda needed to come up with something for zoro to do before he brought out other elders because if luffy zoro and sanji were going against saturn and pizzaru they would have folded them
@@sukho01 Yeah it was clear he just needed something for Zoro to do. It was like Yamato and Kanjuro in Onigashima, like he just has too many characters to keep a hold of it feels.
@@O.Reaganou hit the nail on the head. One of the biggest post timeskip problems is Oda introducing a shit ton of characters in each arc and not being able to properly balance them. Resulting in him making characters stall off screen until he needs them. This fight is no different than when zoro (and x drake) were fighting apoo for several chapters early onigashima. Just for Zoro to get serious and win the fight in one named attacked. It’s literally an identical situation.
@@kingmanga8575Winning a fight in one named attack does not mean he just got serious. Just like in real life, when fighting someone, it is better to reserve your energy and make an opening, because there is no such thing as a speed blitz if there is any kind of relativity and the gap is not night and day(Luffy vs Zoro for example). Especially since he uses swords, which are already sharp and tough, instead of making something blunt and soft, harder with haki. This is also why One piece fights at the highest level take so long to conclude among strong characters
@@shay_3859 “there is no such thing as a speed blitz if there’s any relativity” zoro used shishi sonson which is a speed blitz move on appoo. So that kinda disproves that claim. Unless u think apoo isn’t relative to zoro which also proves my point right that zoro was holding back. We also know due to the rooftop that zoro was nerfing himself because he was scared of flowing too much haki into enma. He was clearly holding back in his brief fight with appoo. U can literally see him lock in when he notices kikus arm falling from the ceiling and a few panels later he takes out apoo.
The "fight" was imo kinda bs the way it was so heavily off-screened. However it was not very important compared to what was going on with the Kuma backstory and Gorosei showings. Same goes for all SHs honestly, outside of Luffy no one's done anything significant this arc. As far as Zoro helping out if he wasn't kept busy by Lucci, what makes you think he wouldn't be held in place like Sanji? I don't know about that being the reason but I definitely think Oda splits up the SHs out of convenience and give focus to other characters.
I would have liked to see lucchi learn all of his old teams' special powers, such as the one where you can still move iron body and one where he has complete body control, and iron body wall. that would have been epic. But then again, if lucchi with no iron body can tank hits from gear five luffy, him with constant iron body would be a problem.
It was a solid mid diff. Yhe fight was just meant to keep zoro and Lucci from the main scene. At any point zoro could have beat Lucci. If zoro started by going all out the fight would have lasted seconds.
It’s obvious that story wise zero is needed on the top floor for some reason in the coming chapters. If he went down to the ground people would think he’s gonna get lost and could not make it back to the top floor where he is needed.
Isn't it possbile for a Zoan Devil Fruit user even If awakened, to blow through their stamina reserves since they are inatially drawing on the power of the fruit? So in essence wouldn't it turn into a battle of attrition after so many times of regenerating? An awakened Zoan user would be hard to put down you would have to be powerful for sure however since you are making them default and use their stamina and haki regardless of their reserves, wouldn't that put them at a disadvantage over time?
I will explain my take on this . I think Zoro tried finishing lucci quick but realise he can't do it easely because naratively there is 0 reason of only stalling lucci just kill him . Zoro full modes 3 sword style KOH take a lots of haki and stamina . Since he was not able to end lucci quick and lucci was resisiting zoro decide to wear him down using way less haki and stamina with 2 swords style . Then he wanted lucci to be exausted enought to land a finishing blow with 3 swords style like he did but Sanji triggered him so he used it before he would have normally and this is why lucci was still standing . When you put everything in 1 attack you can blitz someone that you can't normally in one piece so Zoro dodging lucci and blitzing for the final shot is nothing new he been doing that with his finisher . But for me Zoro was fighting conservatively to wear down lucci for the big finish .
The problem is that Zoro was doing fine even in his base 2 sword style so why would he struggle with a koh 3 sword style and we know Zoro can use koh for a while and atleast longer than luffy can use g5 but you're telling Zoro can't put down Lucci with koh 3 sword style but can easily dodge one of his strongest attacks casually in base and nearly one shot him with base 3 sword style attack? That doesn't make any sense
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru we saw Zoro using koh 3 Sword style vs lucci. And lucci was resisting. So 2 Swords style was the weakest Zoro could Do to still pressure lucci and wearing him down. Zoro would never have defeated lucci in 2 Swords style but IT was enought to resist lucci awakening.
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru also we dont know if Zoro can use koh longer then luffy can use gear 5. Based on my estimation luffy can use gear 5 for 15 minutes approximatively. Zoro used KOH vs King for 5 minutes at best. And vs lucci I dont know IT was off screen. Luffy used twice gear5 + somes before Zoro vs lucci finished so this fight lasted a bit more then 30 minutes. For what we know Zoro dont pass 10 minutes in koh. We have no Idea how long he can use IT but IT take lots of Haki from him per seconds exactly like gear 5 Do luffy. Also koh is not a transfo. In base lmao. Zoro is as agile and fast in base then he is on koh. Koh is more attack Power.
Glad there’s still some level headed, logical OP content creators out here. The agendas was getting out of hand and being pushed by a lot of these OP content creators when came to analyzing OP. Actually feeding the toxicity that’s already in the community that in turn they cry about when that toxicity attacks them and their content.
i feel like this fight just shows the ego of lucci and isn't necessarily just "stupid plot reasons" because he seriously had grown in power exponentially since last facing the straw hats, and he thought he could really mid diff zoro. too bad for him, he had fallen behind, and the end of the fight was just him grasping at hope no matter what. For zoro, it was just another fight, but for Lucci, it was his everything, his worthiness to fight among greats. Lucci gave zoro more trouble than he expected, but i dont think zoro was ever in serious danger of his life, so i agree with mid diff 👍
And analysis 🔥 💯 really appreciate how you actually pay attention to what’s going on in the story and don’t just simple power scale. The zoro fans, luffy fans(my 2 fav op characters btw) agenda piece fans all go crazy. But it’s nice when there’s some balance and logic. I threw some criticisms out on your luffy vs kizaru vid cuz while kizaru was getting the props her deserved. Luffy was being downplayed a bit. That said a lot of my critiques(and backlash 🌚) was mostly towards the fans that were wiling out in the comment section calling everyone out that still thought luffy > kizaru cuz they found a safe place
It's not like we know everything about Lucci real threngh though. To be honest, everything is possible in One Piece. Luffy left his Island at 17,fast foward a few years, and he is a Yonko.
Personally, I think Zoro started the fight seriously but then deemed Lucci too weak for his KOH state. Zoro obviously would't underestimate Lucci since he lost to him 2 years ago but after the first exchange, Zoro deemed him too weak to fight Luffy and too weak for him to fight at 100%
W man ..finally a good scaler it seems so far atleast from this one...Very true on how it'd go down. Lucci is a low ~ mid yc1, while Zoro is already a low yc1+ rn. Hah and I made this more than 23 months ago still standing true.. Yonko/PK/Gods : 90 and above Admirals : 85 - 89 Yc1+ : 80 - 85 Yc1 : 72 - 79 Yc2 : 64 - 71 Yc3 : 55 - 63 Tobi Roppo lvl/Fodder : 50 - 54 .................................... Kaido - 94 Luffy - 93 Mihawk - 92.5 Shanks - 92 BM - 90.5 ---- Yonko lvl and above ---- BB - 89.5 Akainu - 89 (87.5 I'm starting to think he might be slightly lower lol, no feats at this lvl honestly) Oden - 87.7 (89.2 - Prime, after travels..remember how Akainu talked about Oden theres def something there, maybe they ran into each other in the past but even Oda knows its close) Garp - 87.5 (89.7 - Prime,if we see him or Rayliegh split the sky I'll give them Yonko lvl) Kizaru - 87 Aokiji - 87 Rayleigh - 86 (89.89 - Prime, he beats current BB and Kizaru as well... as confirmed by both them and himself, only other person than Luffy till now to be confirmed to have acoc+acoa with ID) Fuji - 85.5 GB - 85 ---- Admiral tier/caliber ---- Yamato - 84.5 (84.8 gives extreme diff fight to GB had it actually started, could be hiding more, seemed fine after Kaido fight, last seen "travelling Wano" like she said she would ? , stocks rising) Sabo - 83.8 Law - 83.5 Kidd - 82 Zoro - 81 (84 with asura for a short burst) ---- Yc1 + ---- King - 79 Sanji - 77.7 Marco - 76 Kat - 75 Killer - 73 ---- Yc1 ---- Queen - 71 Ivankov - 69.69 Ace - 66.6 ---- Yc2 ---- Jimbei - 62.5 Jack - 61.5 ---- Yc3 ---- Now for some truth to get out there.... There's only one way his title should be interpreted, he is Kaido of the 100 beasts, do you know what that even signifies ? Out of all creatures, land sea or air, he is the strongest. The term creatures includes humans as well you absolute idiots. There is literally no argument you can give that I can't disprove showing why Kaido is indeed the strongest of all time after G5 Luffy (that's in his prime age and has mastered G5) till now. The Kaido That Oden fought was from 20 years ago.....20. Meanwhile Shanks was merely a yc1~yc1+ 10-12 years ago.. do you understand what that entails ? Kaido was much much weaker when Oden fought him and even then he was ready to keep fighting while Oden went down in 1 hit just like pre g4 Luffy..anyone who goes down in 1 hit like that was never going to beat Kaido in the first place. Something else ppl don't realize, is why that Kaido was so much weaker. He's not even from the same era as them and doesn't even age like a human. He's a fricking Oni ppl...first of all the Kaido that Roger fought was weaker than the once Oden fought. No debate there, now the Kaido that Oden fought was from 20 years ago, never showed any hybrid forms, no drunken modes, no bloodthirsty mode, No FDD, no acoo nothing. And yet, he took Oden's attack and was ready to keep fighting in base. And you just gotta think about this, anyone who was going to get taken out by 1 hit, even from the back ik, was never going to beat Kaido in the first place...just take a loot at g4 Luffy lmao. Now, remember how Shanks was just a yc1~low yc1+ 12 years ago when he first met Luffy...Oden fought Kaido 20 years ago do I need to say more. It should be beyond obvious how much weaker he was even before that when he fought a Prime Roger and WB. And somehow ppl still say Prime Wb wrecks Kaido without even thinking about all this.. The Kaido that Roger and Garp (haha what a joke) 'beat' is from even before that yoo.. it is not even comparable... Roger never saw the MONSTER Kaido and BM had become over the 20 years after his death....although with BM due to her age and her being a human unlike Kaido who ages differently being an Oni...she had gotten slightly weaker physically (she was probably in her prime around 10-12 years ago and extremely nerfed midbattle to the point she forgets she has acoa and acoc lul). But forget all that Prime Kaido would eat Roger and WB alive if they fought 1v1..even current g5 Luffy would lose till he completely masters g5 and improves his overall stats more through aging/training. Roger never even saw the monstrosity that Kaido and BM had grown into simple as that. Learn to fucking scale Realize that Kaido and Luffy only kept getting/growing stronger from their 1st sky split onwards...the sheer growth in Luffy's haki is simply unheard of even after the sky split.. This was base yonko lvl and they only got much stronger enough to the point where Luffy from the later parts of the fight can easily ohko this Luffy lol and that's without even the fruit powers and amps. It's insane how ppl think Wb and Roger can the absolute beast known as Kaido. An Adult Momo that can considerably hurt an admiral is not even able to stop the island for a bit, let alone lift the entire thing. Now I don't need to tell you just how much effort Momo was putting forth do I ? and forget about him being able to lift Onigashima and keep it moving for over a day at that speed while there's an entire war with armies and BM going on on it. It's stamina that's simply unmatched. But does he stop there? Oh nah... He chills in base and drinks all day letting ppl attack him and try to hurt him... takes on an army, 5 supernova and the greatest instance on pure fricking plot armor that is known as the G5 Luffy. Even through all this, he still works Luffy and knocks him right out of it bringing him to near death and Luffy's heart literally stops again lol. Somehow with pure plot armor (and sheer genius of Oda as you'll see 2 is the max no. of times he can use g5 in a row and used it to effectively nerf Luffy for the next arc by making him use it against Lucci for rivalry purposes and VP lore drop as well. Not a drop of adv haki used as well till the last moment and had Luffy try to bfr him instead of straight up attack Kizaru and you saw what that did to Kizaru when Luffy actually used adv haki for once and how just like after the Kaido fight Luffy was rendered immobilized for plot reasons from using g5 twice in a row. So Luffy can now either use g5 once then once he's out of stamina can fight in base with acoa, acoc and acoo or go g4 as well. If the need calls for it he can go g5 again for a final offensive but the sheer hax and stats afforded to him by g5 lets him hold off on using adv haki against even someone like Kizaru but he did have to get use it once to put him down. The moment you saw Luffy catch up to Kizaru you should have known, he can keep up with Kizaru if he tries) THAT's how you write around powercreep, Oda cooking again lol doesn't even make Kaido look bad at all. Infact it makes him all the more terrifying. Just stuff that a lotta ppl miss ig, had to point it out) Luffy restarts his heart and you can see the life come back to his eyes heh and is even mentioned by Kaido. As the fight goes on, if you were looking hard enough you'd have noticed that twice throughout the fight Kaido is forced to put more effort into the actual fight than into carrying the island. The first time, right after the sky split in the manga and the second time, right after g5 awakens and the fight starts. Thereby showing just how much strength, stamina and endurance Kaido was using up for the island feat the entire time. If he could have dodged lightning point blank he could have easily dodged Luffy's final attack as well if not for ending the fight tbh. Luffy has to put his all into that final punch and is unable to even move right afterwards, having to be caught by Yamato just like how he has to be helped by Franky in ch 1095. A fresh Kaido 1v1 with Luffy would def go to Kaido but if Luffy can fully master g5 he's got this. Admirals don't even come close, not even to base Kaido considering Kaido can 1 tap yc1s without trying in his base form and yc1+s in his normal hybrid form while admirals have to put more considerably more effort into doing the same as seen several times. Talking about Oden, there's a huge misconception with ppl thinking Oden was yonko lvl... Bruh. Man's couldn't even split the sky...and that's base yonko lvl haki. Roger did a casual Divine departure on Oden and Shanks does a serious one on Kid, the former sends Oden flying through several trees and has him bleeding from the head while the latter took Kid out (he was caught lacking, stuck in his charging animation, I'll give you that Kid fans but he should have seen that coming). Kid being a mid yc1+ and Oden being very high yc1+, after his journey with Roger and WB, I'd say he's easily admiral lvl able to give them an extreme diff fight. Kaido's race and DF give him too much of an edge IMHO..he is not a human ppl and belongs to the same era as Shanks. Funny how we never saw Kaido do a death destroyer bagua in his bloodthirsty mode huh. Not even plot armor could have brought Luffy back to life from that haha. Prime Kaido from the current times would absolutely beat Prime WB or Roger in a 1v1. That's why it's a fact that in a 1v1 you always bet on Kaido, he simply has too much stats, top tier haki in all categories, a race advantage over most and insane versatility. Kaido truly was the undisputed WSC before G5 happened.
Lucci is underrated at this point. Luffy sensed he is dangerous and popped G5 from the start, then he got injected with seastone, and still got to 100% condition fast to fight Zoro. That is why Zoro cut him with a curse letter, so he doesnt regenerate fast again
Summary of the fight. Zoro starts out taking Lucci a little bit serious. Doesn't use CoC or King of Hell but at least 3 Swords with Green Smoke so little Haki overuse. Realizes Lucci is too weak, goes down to 2 Swords with Haki Realizes Lucci is too weak for even that and goes down to 2 Swords without Haki Learns that situation is tough from Sanji Dodges Lucci's fastest attack While he is distracted catching his sword His CoO focused on Sanji One shots him and turns him into a mummy.
I think it was a great Training for Lucci. Lucci was the weaker Person. But that is the reason why lucci could learn more in this Fight than Zorro. Lucci gains throgh this fight way more Haki because he goes at his Limit😁
I would actually disagree, lucci at most gets better armament which at this point isn't that important when there all these conquerors in play. Zorros conquerors ceiling can still be trained ALOT higher. Luccis armamement I would say is 95% peak.
does this mean that rob lucci is stronger than king? i really can't understand why zorro finds it difficult to face rob than king plus rob was not completely defeated like king.
After zoro achieved king of hell he instantly destroyed king. lucci stalled egghead zoro for a large amount of time, this proves lucci is superior to king
Keep in mind that zoro is stronger in egghead than wano. Not to mention beforehand Lucci was getting hit multiple times by a semi serious gear 5 Luffy. So to say Lucci is weaker than king is iffy. I agree with most everything you said here but I could easily see Lucci or king winning extreme diff. Relative to me.
Even if Zoro did finish Lucci earlier in the fight, he'd have no way to make it back to the crew. It's like the modern fans forget this character doesn't know how to navigate himself 😂
Whoever said Zoro oneshot him low diff is glazing. Whoever said it was high-extreme diff was downplaying. It was a higher end mid diff. And no it wasn't plot that made the fight last so long for you Zoro fans that wanna cope about it. It was pride. Multiple times throughout the fight we were shown Zoro was being extremely prideful here. Even Jinbei is out here bringing it up. Zoro's pride made him take too long and put the crew in danger. Its just one of Zoro's character flaws.
What aspect of zoros “pride” would cause him to hold back through the entire fight and drag it on? If zoros pride was on the line he would’ve tried to defeat lucci as fast as possible. Not stall him. This fight was clearly to off screen zoro so that the main event (Saturn vs luffy, kuma, and bonney) could have tension.
@@kingmanga8575 I don't believe his pride affected Zoro like how the guy in the video says it did. This is how I interpreted Zoro's pride. He wanted to win. That was the ultimate goal and his pride was on the line so he did anything he could to achieve this goal. This caused him to take this fight in the first place when he knew it was just a bad idea to fight Lucci at all. That's part #1 of how his pride made him make a mistake and part #2 of how his pride affected him is the following. I believe Zoro instead of powering up for a chance to finish the fight faster opted for a more conservative style so he can last longer and improve his chances of winning even if he took longer to take him down. The reason that I say this is because we saw how using stronger forms was quickly draining his stamina. So while yes Zoro could've finished Lucci off a couple chapters earlier if he just stayed in ACoC, he would've lowered his chances of victory having done so due to greatly reducing his stamina pool. Same thing for Ashura which could've been potentially even faster as that's a finisher move. A trump card. Zoro would be gambling his energy reserves away at a chance of finishing off Lucci faster. It's still the correct move to power up and take that risk but Zoro didn't want to lower his chances at "losing" by gambling away his stamina. That's the pride I'm talking about and that's why both Jinbei and Lucci speak on this and how Zoro was a burden (Lucci's words) right now by choosing to elongate this grudge match over the crew's safety just so he stands a higher chance at "winning". This is why Jinbei had to physically hold Zoro back from elongating the fight even more and just grabbed his ass and forcefully took him out of the fight.
@@xdrago1051 ur logic is incredibly flawed. If ur saying that zoro has a higher chance of winning by holding back and conserving his stamina then how is that him being prideful? Fights aren’t supposed to be gambles where a character goes all out running thru all their haki in 2 minutes in hopes of finishing things as fast as possible. If zoro thinks he has a better chance at winning he should take that if it means he has a greater chance of helping his friends later. If zoro did what ur talking about and went all out from the jump he may have burned through all his haki and wouldn’t be able to help against the gorosei. He chose the smartest option. I don’t see how he’s prideful for conserving stamina. Which is the logical thing to do especially if he expected to have to fight other people after lucci. U want zoro to fight like luffy? Use his energy draining ability until he loses stamina and then when the big bad pulls up he’s powerless and has to be saved by franky??? That’s illogical.
@@xdrago1051 ur logic is incredibly flawed. If ur saying that zoro has a higher chance of winning by holding back and conserving his stamina then how is that him being prideful? Fights aren’t supposed to be gambles where a character goes all out running thru all their haki in 2 minutes in hopes of finishing things as fast as possible. If zoro thinks he has a better chance at winning he should take that if it means he has a greater chance of helping his friends later. If zoro did what ur talking about and went all out from the jump he may have burned through all his haki and wouldn’t be able to help against the gorosei. He chose the smartest option. I don’t see how he’s prideful for conserving stamina. Which is the logical thing to do especially if he expected to have to fight other people after lucci. U want zoro to fight like luffy? Use his energy draining ability until he loses stamina and then when the big bad pulls up he’s powerless and has to be saved by franky??? That’s illogical.
@@kingmanga8575 He didn't know about the Gorosei. All he knew is that his friends were in danger and he needed to get there as soon as possible. Choosing to elongate the fight to have a higher chance to "win" at the cost of your friends is pride. And see how i keep quoting win and lose? That's because this fight was irrelevant. The fact that he even took the fight in the first place was because of pride. Im not sure how you can say its better to conserve stamina for future opponents when Zoro had no idea about then and when him elongating the fight literally costed the SH crew a life. They lost Vegapunk because he took too long. If Zoro hurried up VP would've lived. And no im not blaming just Zoro for VP's death. Im blaming the entire monster trio, they all failed VP. Anyways, hypothetically if Sanji wasn't there they would've lost like 4 lives that day just because of a grudge match. Like no dude, risking lives is not the correct option no matter how you look at it. Once a life is gone, 99% of the time its just gone. Look, this is just my interpretation of it. You can agree or disagree with how his pride affected him, its up to debate but theres no question that pride was undeniably a factor since both Jinbei and Lucci bring it up.
I don't think the 3rd sword really matters it's not a power up for zoro. Zoro was literally just stalling and letting lucci go at it with him. Just like Mihawk could have killed him with just the small knife zoro could have beaten him with one sword if he really tried to. People just thinkbthe fight was close because of how durable lucci is but Durability is different than raw power. Because let's be honest here zoro ends him once he starts using advanced conquerers no matter how many swords he uses.
i found it real disappointing that we see lucci using none of his techniques in this fight. lucci had to be taken out due to plot, if he decided to use any of the 5 other techniques he has this fight would have taken way longer. they'd probably still be fighting
honestly all im hearing is zoro glazing nun about lucci fighing luffy before the fight it wont make a diff since zoro would still win but he dammed over powered take enma away and zoro is shit the conc and acoc in 1night???!!! chat is this real ??? even luffy had to train for tha shit zoros plot armor hitting hard atp
Zoro hasn't let Enma drain any haki this entire arc you fool. Stop being such an insecure sanjitard it's pathetic. Downplaying Zoro downplays Sanji as well since Sanji will always be under Zoro. Root for the Strawhats 👍
Enma hasn't even taken any haki this arc fool 😂 Stop being an insecure sanjitard it's lame. Downplaying Zoro will downplay Sanji since Sanji will always be under Zoro.
Trying to say Zoro could off ended the fight at any point is straight up ignoring how literally every character in verse fights. No One Piece character enters the fight with their strongest moves. If we go by the logic that asura or KoH's strongest attacks could one shot Lucci then we might as well just start looking at Luffy and asking who could he beat with a Bajran Gun. As it stands a Bajran Gun is one shotting literally anyone other than possibly a full HP Kaido, Big Mum and Imu. But we don't scale that way because Luffy would never enter a fight with his strongest move. If Zoro is unable to beat Lucci with anything less than 3 swords and advanced conquerors - an ability that he does not right now have complete control over - then by definition the two are relative. This is the same mental gymnastics that make people believe Luffy vs Kizaru was a low diff when Luffy had to go into his awakened form and use advanced conquerors as well as go through his entire stamina pool before he landed white star gun. By definition, if you have to go inot your strongest form to defeat someone (couldn't even land a hit with snakeman) then you are relative to them.
But the thing he still ultimately ended the fight with three swords and ACOC all in one attack which ended the fight outright. So I don't even know what you're getting at with them being "relative" to one another when that further couldn't be the case.
Zoro is stronger but y'all are exceding with the zoro agenda. Literally lucci was ready to keep fighting and looked scary. Literally pulled a luffy g2 scene. Obviously zoro would've won but the fight is extreme diff if it continued imo.
bro what r u smoking.Zoro extreme diff fights are fights like with king or mr1.where he has blood or he has a possibility of lossing.There was never a single drop of blood on Zoro and lucci is covered in blood .
Lucci still standing after that attack was total bulls&&& writing on Oda’s part. He should have fallen even though Zoro won this one, it didn’t make any sense he was still standing. His awakening is no joke though but it was just a bit too much for me.
Bottom Line: Zoro was wasting time for no reason.
N**gga, it was oda writing, if oda want to slow downn fight, there is nothing u can do
He was trynna bloom his haki
He had no reason to end it he would just get lost
No he wasnt
Lucci wasnt even defeated
@@ltsMotionthis is hard cope
This is something i think people didnt realise and its a full circle moment.
Zoro was a bit overconfident thinking he could do with less than three swords perhaps, but so was Lucci.
We've seen Lucci as a kid take cannonballs to the back on purpose, and i believe this was much the same. He wanted to tough it out.
I agree. Also full circle, is that scene where Luffy was still standing during their fight. I think this scene was homage to that, in way of Lucci respecting Luffy. Another Luffy dub
Perfectly Explained. Perfect video. Perfect analysis. I am truly impressed 😮
Edit: Also I'd like to add the dialogue Zoro and Lucci had pre fight and during the fight.
Prior to the fight beginning Zoro checked Lucci for being sneaky and waiting for backup before growing a pair. Then during the fight before Zoro stated that Lucci wasn't even strong enough to worry Luffy, the crew asked Zoro if he needed help and Zoro literally told them to leave lol
That alone proved that Zoro was fighting a winning fight. But like bro said... Zoro tends to fall in love with battles more than he should so he lost sight of what was important which was ending the battle quickly.
Zoro does not fight like this when his life is on the line. When his life is on the line he goes all out. But against Lucci he never went all out.
that is fairrrrr, never thought of that
He also didn't know his life was in danger (What's currently happening on Egghead), If he knew that he would've either tried to finish Lucci quickly & go to help the others
@@CrimsonGold-pq8xyzoro felt Saturns haki as soon as he landed on egghead. Considering Zoro already knew luffy was fighting kizaru Zoro def knew the danger the crew was in. The only reason this fight lasted this long is because Oda wanted Zoro off screen for the other events to occur.
@@kingmanga8575 you hit the nail on the head 😂
@@kazisadman5872Prime example of this is when Oda made Luffy struggle to defeat Batman in wano, same with Apoo
He was just waiting for black history month to end
Ended in February
Man, stfu. I'm so sick of seeing these stereo typical comments regarding zoro.
Nah...he just wasnt sure if italians count as white people.
Honestly, people have to stop down playing Zoro because of this fight. It just shows the willpower and the strength of Lucci
I think most people who "downplay" Zoro are just trolling the delusional Zorofans who think Zoro is on Luffys Level.
@@rickthomson2773 I'm not going to lie some of the things I've been hearing is from agenda pushers and Zoro is closer to Luffy in power not gear 5 or anything like that I'm talking about his feets like advanced conquerors (not as good as luffy's advanced conquerors though obviously)
@@hystericalakamega The way Lucci stood his ground damn near made him look like a candidate for conquerors haki.
@@nathanwelling8948 at first I thought he had advanced conquerors when he clashd with Luffy but it was just one of those black lightning haki attacks
@hystericalakamega It really looked like he was actually keeping up with Gear 5 for the most part, at least when it comes to speed, and he was able to keep up with Bound Man in just his hybrid form. In overall strength, he was completely outclassed. But Luffy wouldn't be in a completely separate tier compared to Zoro when it comes to overall fighting ability since he also has acoc and acoa, as well as a fighting style that makes Gear 5s durability useless.
People really underestimate Rokushiki (six powers) and by extension Lucci.
Rokushiki users had post timeskip strawhats feats (usually needing to be accomplished with haki) way before the timeskip:
• luffy can break steel back on the baratie and zoro can cut steel back in alabasta but cp9 tanks with tekkai
• sanji didnt replicate geppo until mid-timeskip
• zoro wasnt able to send flying slashes with his limbs (and had to use hakk) until wano
• whitebeard and oden can be shot and killed with regular flintlock pistols, yet rifle and cannon fire bounces off of luffy since the beginjing of the series. Yet lucci can completely pierce luffy witb a finger gun
All those rokushiki feats were pretimeskip and most of them were able to be used by most cp9 members WITHOUT HAKI and lucci was the strongest and most profecient in base, then add:
• not just a zoan DF that already increases raw physical prowess, but a carniverous type which has even more than an average
• haki to further increase damage and durability
• and then awaken his DF on top of all of that
Zoro handling Lucci that well despite everything is only a testament to how strong Zoro actually is. Any amount of struggle is not an antifeat on Zoro's part
Great break down! Totally agree if your channel is all about match ups you totally got my follow sir! Keep up the great work!
Oda didn’t give this fight any focus that’s why it’s a weird fight to analyze…all i take away from this is that Lucci is definitely stronger than the rest of the strawhats including Sanji & Jimbei because Luffy had to use Gear 5 and Zoro had to use a named attack
Nah I think Sanji & Jimbei might win with some difficulty
@@kaidenjohnson2624mhhm
I disagree. Gear five was to give the history from the smartest man and give some history to the sun god.
Gear 5 luffy easy beat full awaken lucci.
And from the maga zoro easilu beat him as well.
I'm sure Sanji can win he defeated s shark by himself
Summary: Luffy and Zoro are somewhat relative
I like your points, you gave me the final puzzle piece i needed to understand the scope of this fight
Zoro started with his green flames cuz i believe zoro thought he would need it. When he realized "if this is all you can do", he powered down. Even started using just 2 swords.
He was suprised the lucci was putting up the fight he was.
As soon as zoro's instinct felt Sanji call him dead weight, he got SERIOUS and defeated him instantly.
Now i dont think that same attack would one shot a full health lucci. This was an exhausted lucci who had been using stamina to maintain his awakening form to even be able to keep up. Its not full health full stamina lucci, but the attack was still a heck of an attack.
He was probs trying to get a straw hat to “help him” to try and pretend he can’t beat lucci and so the person who comes to help can give him the way back kind of a funny tactic
So I think it is a mid diff but if zoro wanted to, he could low diff lucci.
That should be obvious but alas here we are.
@@thedrunkronin4550 yeah smh
Why wouldn’t he want to? Especially in a situation like this?
@@ClarkeMichaelDuncan because he’s not just fighting people to test his strength. He’s trying to grow stronger as a swordsman. And you can grow or learn by clearing through everything
@@FTL_SAN you think he was training? At a time like this? Thats stupid dude😭
he knows the gorosei are on the island and that there haki presence is crazy, if this was about him getting stronger, why would he train with a weaker opponent?
Am I the only one who doesn’t think zoro “isn’t going all out “ when he uses less than 3 swords?
Sure zoro’s STROGNEST attacks are 3 swords but there’s no way he isn’t trying at least mid diff just because he’s not using 3 swords. That’s like saying luffy isn’t trying when he uses his cymbal attack because white star gun in stronger
Zoro himself says that Death Lion Song is one of his strongets techniques yet I don't think anyone can argue he is fighting at full efficieny with a single sword. I think it's the same but to a lesser extent when using two swords.
Also there is a difference between going all out and trying. Neither the cymbal attack or even White Star Gun are Luffy going all out but he is trying to win of course.
@@beepboop4833ehhh “full efficiency” is kind of a weird statement. What do you even mean that by. He should have max efficiently with ALL his sword styles and techniques. Also the death lion song (something I didn’t even think about) would serve as objective proof zoro can be going all out with multiple different sword styles. Even on the rooftop I believe zoro uses one sword style at some point.
And to your point. Sure someone can be “trying” without going all out to an extent. But I don’t think there’s any reason to assume white star gun and his cymbal attacks aren’t all out.
It would be like comparing a squat to a lunge. Your maximum output on a squat will always be higher than the maximum output on a lunge but that doesn’t mean you aren’t going all out when you do a lunge just because you can do more weight on a squat.
My own personal headcanon (tho this is never hard confirmed) is that much like exercises, different attacks require different amounts of stamina. So characters can’t always just span their strongest attacks just like you can go to the gym and do only squats. You get tired so you move to a leg exercise that’s less intense but you still put maximum effort. One piece characters do this in reverse. Where they still put max effort into their “weaker” attacks until the final clash there they whip out their strongest one time use attacks
It'd be more like like saying Luffy isn't going all out if he isn't using either ACOC or Gear 5.
Like, even if Luffy puts 100% effort in base, it still wouldn't be 100% of what he's truly capable of.
He's going all out with 2 swords
Yeah but did he throw out any named attacks in that whole interaction? No. It was only until the end where Zoro started using named attacks and even then Lucci couldn't handle one attack from him.
This why I love the anime more things going on so the fights easier to tell what’s goin on
Lend me some haki Oden, this is Base Lucci we're up against...
Honestly though, agenda aside, they weren't fighting for long at all and Zoro was clearly not going all out. People are acting like he drew it out for no reason but he's not gonna do the opposite of Mihawk (even though he should).
All in all, the fight was not close and Zoro's really dumb
thank odas writing, if he finished lucci 5 months ago oda needed to come up with something for zoro to do before he brought out other elders because if luffy zoro and sanji were going against saturn and pizzaru they would have folded them
@@sukho01 Yeah it was clear he just needed something for Zoro to do.
It was like Yamato and Kanjuro in Onigashima, like he just has too many characters to keep a hold of it feels.
@@O.Reaganou hit the nail on the head. One of the biggest post timeskip problems is Oda introducing a shit ton of characters in each arc and not being able to properly balance them. Resulting in him making characters stall off screen until he needs them. This fight is no different than when zoro (and x drake) were fighting apoo for several chapters early onigashima. Just for Zoro to get serious and win the fight in one named attacked. It’s literally an identical situation.
@@kingmanga8575Winning a fight in one named attack does not mean he just got serious. Just like in real life, when fighting someone, it is better to reserve your energy and make an opening, because there is no such thing as a speed blitz if there is any kind of relativity and the gap is not night and day(Luffy vs Zoro for example). Especially since he uses swords, which are already sharp and tough, instead of making something blunt and soft, harder with haki. This is also why One piece fights at the highest level take so long to conclude among strong characters
@@shay_3859 “there is no such thing as a speed blitz if there’s any relativity” zoro used shishi sonson which is a speed blitz move on appoo. So that kinda disproves that claim. Unless u think apoo isn’t relative to zoro which also proves my point right that zoro was holding back. We also know due to the rooftop that zoro was nerfing himself because he was scared of flowing too much haki into enma. He was clearly holding back in his brief fight with appoo. U can literally see him lock in when he notices kikus arm falling from the ceiling and a few panels later he takes out apoo.
The "fight" was imo kinda bs the way it was so heavily off-screened. However it was not very important compared to what was going on with the Kuma backstory and Gorosei showings. Same goes for all SHs honestly, outside of Luffy no one's done anything significant this arc.
As far as Zoro helping out if he wasn't kept busy by Lucci, what makes you think he wouldn't be held in place like Sanji? I don't know about that being the reason but I definitely think Oda splits up the SHs out of convenience and give focus to other characters.
We all know the truth is that when a character isn't on screen they are frozen in manga space time
I would have liked to see lucchi learn all of his old teams' special powers, such as the one where you can still move iron body and one where he has complete body control, and iron body wall. that would have been epic. But then again, if lucchi with no iron body can tank hits from gear five luffy, him with constant iron body would be a problem.
It was a solid mid diff. Yhe fight was just meant to keep zoro and Lucci from the main scene. At any point zoro could have beat Lucci. If zoro started by going all out the fight would have lasted seconds.
It’s obvious that story wise zero is needed on the top floor for some reason in the coming chapters. If he went down to the ground people would think he’s gonna get lost and could not make it back to the top floor where he is needed.
Geez are we still talking about these vista victims?
Isn't it possbile for a Zoan Devil Fruit user even If awakened, to blow through their stamina reserves since they are inatially drawing on the power of the fruit? So in essence wouldn't it turn into a battle of attrition after so many times of regenerating? An awakened Zoan user would be hard to put down you would have to be powerful for sure however since you are making them default and use their stamina and haki regardless of their reserves, wouldn't that put them at a disadvantage over time?
He needed to confirm Lucci’s race
I will explain my take on this . I think Zoro tried finishing lucci quick but realise he can't do it easely because naratively there is 0 reason of only stalling lucci just kill him .
Zoro full modes 3 sword style KOH take a lots of haki and stamina . Since he was not able to end lucci quick and lucci was resisiting zoro decide to wear him down using way less haki and stamina with 2 swords style . Then he wanted lucci to be exausted enought to land a finishing blow with 3 swords style like he did but Sanji triggered him so he used it before he would have normally and this is why lucci was still standing . When you put everything in 1 attack you can blitz someone that you can't normally in one piece so Zoro dodging lucci and blitzing for the final shot is nothing new he been doing that with his finisher .
But for me Zoro was fighting conservatively to wear down lucci for the big finish .
The problem is that Zoro was doing fine even in his base 2 sword style so why would he struggle with a koh 3 sword style and we know Zoro can use koh for a while and atleast longer than luffy can use g5 but you're telling Zoro can't put down Lucci with koh 3 sword style but can easily dodge one of his strongest attacks casually in base and nearly one shot him with base 3 sword style attack? That doesn't make any sense
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru we saw Zoro using koh 3 Sword style vs lucci. And lucci was resisting. So 2 Swords style was the weakest Zoro could Do to still pressure lucci and wearing him down. Zoro would never have defeated lucci in 2 Swords style but IT was enought to resist lucci awakening.
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru also we dont know if Zoro can use koh longer then luffy can use gear 5.
Based on my estimation luffy can use gear 5 for 15 minutes approximatively.
Zoro used KOH vs King for 5 minutes at best.
And vs lucci I dont know IT was off screen.
Luffy used twice gear5 + somes before Zoro vs lucci finished so this fight lasted a bit more then 30 minutes.
For what we know Zoro dont pass 10 minutes in koh.
We have no Idea how long he can use IT but IT take lots of Haki from him per seconds exactly like gear 5 Do luffy.
Also koh is not a transfo.
In base lmao. Zoro is as agile and fast in base then he is on koh. Koh is more attack Power.
Glad there’s still some level headed, logical OP content creators out here. The agendas was getting out of hand and being pushed by a lot of these OP content creators when came to analyzing OP. Actually feeding the toxicity that’s already in the community that in turn they cry about when that toxicity attacks them and their content.
Pretty good analysis
i feel like this fight just shows the ego of lucci and isn't necessarily just "stupid plot reasons" because he seriously had grown in power exponentially since last facing the straw hats, and he thought he could really mid diff zoro. too bad for him, he had fallen behind, and the end of the fight was just him grasping at hope no matter what. For zoro, it was just another fight, but for Lucci, it was his everything, his worthiness to fight among greats. Lucci gave zoro more trouble than he expected, but i dont think zoro was ever in serious danger of his life, so i agree with mid diff 👍
And analysis 🔥 💯 really appreciate how you actually pay attention to what’s going on in the story and don’t just simple power scale. The zoro fans, luffy fans(my 2 fav op characters btw) agenda piece fans all go crazy. But it’s nice when there’s some balance and logic.
I threw some criticisms out on your luffy vs kizaru vid cuz while kizaru was getting the props her deserved. Luffy was being downplayed a bit. That said a lot of my critiques(and backlash 🌚) was mostly towards the fans that were wiling out in the comment section calling everyone out that still thought luffy > kizaru cuz they found a safe place
One of the best period
Feels like a good low-mid diff
Can lucci break king defence..even zoro couldnt break untill they both used their strongest attack that gave zoro opportunuties to cut king
Great video
It's not like we know everything about Lucci real threngh though. To be honest, everything is possible in One Piece. Luffy left his Island at 17,fast foward a few years, and he is a Yonko.
And people are still going to say Sanji beats Zoro...
Those are delusional sanji stans not even fans but straight up stans you get what I mean
Great video ! ⚡️💯
Perfect.
Personally,
I think Zoro started the fight seriously but then deemed Lucci too weak for his KOH state.
Zoro obviously would't underestimate Lucci since he lost to him 2 years ago but after the first exchange, Zoro deemed him too weak to fight Luffy and too weak for him to fight at 100%
You want me to believe that zoro's just an idiot who's messing around when they are on a time limit? Yeah, ok.
Wow a RUclipsr that can actually read, KoL should take lessons from you
perfect analysis
W man ..finally a good scaler it seems so far atleast from this one...Very true on how it'd go down. Lucci is a low ~ mid yc1, while Zoro is already a low yc1+ rn.
Hah and I made this more than 23 months ago still standing true..
Yonko/PK/Gods : 90 and above
Admirals : 85 - 89
Yc1+ : 80 - 85
Yc1 : 72 - 79
Yc2 : 64 - 71
Yc3 : 55 - 63
Tobi Roppo lvl/Fodder : 50 - 54
....................................
Kaido - 94
Luffy - 93
Mihawk - 92.5
Shanks - 92
BM - 90.5
---- Yonko lvl and above ----
BB - 89.5
Akainu - 89 (87.5 I'm starting to think he might be slightly lower lol, no feats at this lvl honestly)
Oden - 87.7 (89.2 - Prime, after travels..remember how Akainu talked about Oden theres def something there, maybe they ran into each other in the past but even Oda knows its close)
Garp - 87.5 (89.7 - Prime,if we see him or Rayliegh split the sky I'll give them Yonko lvl)
Kizaru - 87
Aokiji - 87
Rayleigh - 86 (89.89 - Prime, he beats current BB and Kizaru as well... as confirmed by both them and himself, only other person than Luffy till now to be confirmed to have acoc+acoa with ID)
Fuji - 85.5
GB - 85
---- Admiral tier/caliber ----
Yamato - 84.5 (84.8 gives extreme diff fight to GB had it actually started, could be hiding more, seemed fine after Kaido fight, last seen "travelling Wano" like she said she would ? , stocks rising)
Sabo - 83.8
Law - 83.5
Kidd - 82
Zoro - 81 (84 with asura for a short burst)
---- Yc1 + ----
King - 79
Sanji - 77.7
Marco - 76
Kat - 75
Killer - 73
---- Yc1 ----
Queen - 71
Ivankov - 69.69
Ace - 66.6
---- Yc2 ----
Jimbei - 62.5
Jack - 61.5
---- Yc3 ----
Now for some truth to get out there....
There's only one way his title should be interpreted, he is Kaido of the 100 beasts, do you know what that even signifies ? Out of all creatures, land sea or air, he is the strongest. The term creatures includes humans as well you absolute idiots. There is literally no argument you can give that I can't disprove showing why Kaido is indeed the strongest of all time after G5 Luffy (that's in his prime age and has mastered G5) till now.
The Kaido That Oden fought was from 20 years ago.....20. Meanwhile Shanks was merely a yc1~yc1+ 10-12 years ago.. do you understand what that entails ? Kaido was much much weaker when Oden fought him and even then he was ready to keep fighting while Oden went down in 1 hit just like pre g4 Luffy..anyone who goes down in 1 hit like that was never going to beat Kaido in the first place. Something else ppl don't realize, is why that Kaido was so much weaker. He's not even from the same era as them and doesn't even age like a human. He's a fricking Oni ppl...first of all the Kaido that Roger fought was weaker than the once Oden fought. No debate there, now the Kaido that Oden fought was from 20 years ago, never showed any hybrid forms, no drunken modes, no bloodthirsty mode, No FDD, no acoo nothing. And yet, he took Oden's attack and was ready to keep fighting in base. And you just gotta think about this, anyone who was going to get taken out by 1 hit, even from the back ik, was never going to beat Kaido in the first place...just take a loot at g4 Luffy lmao. Now, remember how Shanks was just a yc1~low yc1+ 12 years ago when he first met Luffy...Oden fought Kaido 20 years ago do I need to say more. It should be beyond obvious how much weaker he was even before that when he fought a Prime Roger and WB. And somehow ppl still say Prime Wb wrecks Kaido without even thinking about all this..
The Kaido that Roger and Garp (haha what a joke) 'beat' is from even before that yoo.. it is not even comparable... Roger never saw the MONSTER Kaido and BM had become over the 20 years after his death....although with BM due to her age and her being a human unlike Kaido who ages differently being an Oni...she had gotten slightly weaker physically (she was probably in her prime around 10-12 years ago and extremely nerfed midbattle to the point she forgets she has acoa and acoc lul). But forget all that Prime Kaido would eat Roger and WB alive if they fought 1v1..even current g5 Luffy would lose till he completely masters g5 and improves his overall stats more through aging/training. Roger never even saw the monstrosity that Kaido and BM had grown into simple as that. Learn to fucking scale
Realize that Kaido and Luffy only kept getting/growing stronger from their 1st sky split onwards...the sheer growth in Luffy's haki is simply unheard of even after the sky split.. This was base yonko lvl and they only got much stronger enough to the point where Luffy from the later parts of the fight can easily ohko this Luffy lol and that's without even the fruit powers and amps. It's insane how ppl think Wb and Roger can the absolute beast known as Kaido.
An Adult Momo that can considerably hurt an admiral is not even able to stop the island for a bit, let alone lift the entire thing. Now I don't need to tell you just how much effort Momo was putting forth do I ? and forget about him being able to lift Onigashima and keep it moving for over a day at that speed while there's an entire war with armies and BM going on on it. It's stamina that's simply unmatched. But does he stop there? Oh nah... He chills in base and drinks all day letting ppl attack him and try to hurt him... takes on an army, 5 supernova and the greatest instance on pure fricking plot armor that is known as the G5 Luffy. Even through all this, he still works Luffy and knocks him right out of it bringing him to near death and Luffy's heart literally stops again lol.
Somehow with pure plot armor (and sheer genius of Oda as you'll see 2 is the max no. of times he can use g5 in a row and used it to effectively nerf Luffy for the next arc by making him use it against Lucci for rivalry purposes and VP lore drop as well. Not a drop of adv haki used as well till the last moment and had Luffy try to bfr him instead of straight up attack Kizaru and you saw what that did to Kizaru when Luffy actually used adv haki for once and how just like after the Kaido fight Luffy was rendered immobilized for plot reasons from using g5 twice in a row. So Luffy can now either use g5 once then once he's out of stamina can fight in base with acoa, acoc and acoo or go g4 as well. If the need calls for it he can go g5 again for a final offensive but the sheer hax and stats afforded to him by g5 lets him hold off on using adv haki against even someone like Kizaru but he did have to get use it once to put him down. The moment you saw Luffy catch up to Kizaru you should have known, he can keep up with Kizaru if he tries) THAT's how you write around powercreep, Oda cooking again lol doesn't even make Kaido look bad at all. Infact it makes him all the more terrifying. Just stuff that a lotta ppl miss ig, had to point it out) Luffy restarts his heart and you can see the life come back to his eyes heh and is even mentioned by Kaido.
As the fight goes on, if you were looking hard enough you'd have noticed that twice throughout the fight Kaido is forced to put more effort into the actual fight than into carrying the island. The first time, right after the sky split in the manga and the second time, right after g5 awakens and the fight starts. Thereby showing just how much strength, stamina and endurance Kaido was using up for the island feat the entire time. If he could have dodged lightning point blank he could have easily dodged Luffy's final attack as well if not for ending the fight tbh. Luffy has to put his all into that final punch and is unable to even move right afterwards, having to be caught by Yamato just like how he has to be helped by Franky in ch 1095. A fresh Kaido 1v1 with Luffy would def go to Kaido but if Luffy can fully master g5 he's got this. Admirals don't even come close, not even to base Kaido considering Kaido can 1 tap yc1s without trying in his base form and yc1+s in his normal hybrid form while admirals have to put more considerably more effort into doing the same as seen several times.
Talking about Oden, there's a huge misconception with ppl thinking Oden was yonko lvl... Bruh. Man's couldn't even split the sky...and that's base yonko lvl haki. Roger did a casual Divine departure on Oden and Shanks does a serious one on Kid, the former sends Oden flying through several trees and has him bleeding from the head while the latter took Kid out (he was caught lacking, stuck in his charging animation, I'll give you that Kid fans but he should have seen that coming). Kid being a mid yc1+ and Oden being very high yc1+, after his journey with Roger and WB, I'd say he's easily admiral lvl able to give them an extreme diff fight.
Kaido's race and DF give him too much of an edge IMHO..he is not a human ppl and belongs to the same era as Shanks. Funny how we never saw Kaido do a death destroyer bagua in his bloodthirsty mode huh. Not even plot armor could have brought Luffy back to life from that haha. Prime Kaido from the current times would absolutely beat Prime WB or Roger in a 1v1. That's why it's a fact that in a 1v1 you always bet on Kaido, he simply has too much stats, top tier haki in all categories, a race advantage over most and insane versatility. Kaido truly was the undisputed WSC before G5 happened.
Now let’s see how a full power luck would do. I mean the guy literally faced a god and still managed to continue fighting
To me the way the lines are going it looks like lucci is pressing zoro and zoro is perryjng
Lucci is underrated at this point. Luffy sensed he is dangerous and popped G5 from the start, then he got injected with seastone, and still got to 100% condition fast to fight Zoro. That is why Zoro cut him with a curse letter, so he doesnt regenerate fast again
Zoro tryna max out his fighting stats
Lucci was no match for Zoro. Stop it….
You're too much into the agenda and you need to accept that lucci is that guy
@@canadianshnitzl4896 Lucci is that guy . But Zoro is the guy .
@TheWolverine___ yeah no denying that I just wish people would give lucci more credit and stop gassing zoro to high heaven
Perfection
putting aside lucci should be somewhat weakened from his recent fight with luffy. yes zoro is clearly superior here.
Summary of the fight.
Zoro starts out taking Lucci a little bit serious. Doesn't use CoC or King of Hell but at least 3 Swords with Green Smoke so little Haki overuse.
Realizes Lucci is too weak, goes down to 2 Swords with Haki
Realizes Lucci is too weak for even that and goes down to 2 Swords without Haki
Learns that situation is tough from Sanji
Dodges Lucci's fastest attack
While he is distracted catching his sword
His CoO focused on Sanji
One shots him and turns him into a mummy.
Ok can you repost but with the actual time being six months of absolute silence. I'd love to come back to a video with 345:56:12
I think it was a great Training for Lucci. Lucci was the weaker Person. But that is the reason why lucci could learn more in this Fight than Zorro.
Lucci gains throgh this fight way more Haki because he goes at his Limit😁
I would actually disagree, lucci at most gets better armament which at this point isn't that important when there all these conquerors in play. Zorros conquerors ceiling can still be trained ALOT higher. Luccis armamement I would say is 95% peak.
@@jackyye4040 At his limit ? Idk...if so he would've use rokuogan before
Zoro didnt even use his head bandana and fought with 2 swords,, he wasnt even serious,, people need to stop playing him down that much
does this mean that rob lucci is stronger than king? i really can't understand why zorro finds it difficult to face rob than king plus rob was not completely defeated like king.
Zoro nearly died fighting king but lucci wasn't even a challenge for him
After zoro achieved king of hell he instantly destroyed king. lucci stalled egghead zoro for a large amount of time, this proves lucci is superior to king
Rob Lucci is a joke..
In early Arc, he even said that he didnt acknowledge Luffy as an Emperor. Wtf.
Who the hell is he?
Jimbe saved Lucci. Even apologized. Tratior
The cope in this comment section is fucking hilarious lol.
Keep in mind that zoro is stronger in egghead than wano. Not to mention beforehand Lucci was getting hit multiple times by a semi serious gear 5 Luffy. So to say Lucci is weaker than king is iffy. I agree with most everything you said here but I could easily see Lucci or king winning extreme diff. Relative to me.
Even if Zoro did finish Lucci earlier in the fight, he'd have no way to make it back to the crew. It's like the modern fans forget this character doesn't know how to navigate himself 😂
Who even argued that Zoro wouldn't have trouble getting back to his crew?
Whoever said Zoro oneshot him low diff is glazing. Whoever said it was high-extreme diff was downplaying. It was a higher end mid diff. And no it wasn't plot that made the fight last so long for you Zoro fans that wanna cope about it. It was pride. Multiple times throughout the fight we were shown Zoro was being extremely prideful here. Even Jinbei is out here bringing it up. Zoro's pride made him take too long and put the crew in danger. Its just one of Zoro's character flaws.
What aspect of zoros “pride” would cause him to hold back through the entire fight and drag it on? If zoros pride was on the line he would’ve tried to defeat lucci as fast as possible. Not stall him. This fight was clearly to off screen zoro so that the main event (Saturn vs luffy, kuma, and bonney) could have tension.
@@kingmanga8575 I don't believe his pride affected Zoro like how the guy in the video says it did.
This is how I interpreted Zoro's pride. He wanted to win. That was the ultimate goal and his pride was on the line so he did anything he could to achieve this goal. This caused him to take this fight in the first place when he knew it was just a bad idea to fight Lucci at all. That's part #1 of how his pride made him make a mistake and part #2 of how his pride affected him is the following.
I believe Zoro instead of powering up for a chance to finish the fight faster opted for a more conservative style so he can last longer and improve his chances of winning even if he took longer to take him down. The reason that I say this is because we saw how using stronger forms was quickly draining his stamina. So while yes Zoro could've finished Lucci off a couple chapters earlier if he just stayed in ACoC, he would've lowered his chances of victory having done so due to greatly reducing his stamina pool. Same thing for Ashura which could've been potentially even faster as that's a finisher move. A trump card. Zoro would be gambling his energy reserves away at a chance of finishing off Lucci faster. It's still the correct move to power up and take that risk but Zoro didn't want to lower his chances at "losing" by gambling away his stamina. That's the pride I'm talking about and that's why both Jinbei and Lucci speak on this and how Zoro was a burden (Lucci's words) right now by choosing to elongate this grudge match over the crew's safety just so he stands a higher chance at "winning". This is why Jinbei had to physically hold Zoro back from elongating the fight even more and just grabbed his ass and forcefully took him out of the fight.
@@xdrago1051 ur logic is incredibly flawed. If ur saying that zoro has a higher chance of winning by holding back and conserving his stamina then how is that him being prideful? Fights aren’t supposed to be gambles where a character goes all out running thru all their haki in 2 minutes in hopes of finishing things as fast as possible. If zoro thinks he has a better chance at winning he should take that if it means he has a greater chance of helping his friends later. If zoro did what ur talking about and went all out from the jump he may have burned through all his haki and wouldn’t be able to help against the gorosei. He chose the smartest option. I don’t see how he’s prideful for conserving stamina. Which is the logical thing to do especially if he expected to have to fight other people after lucci.
U want zoro to fight like luffy? Use his energy draining ability until he loses stamina and then when the big bad pulls up he’s powerless and has to be saved by franky??? That’s illogical.
@@xdrago1051 ur logic is incredibly flawed. If ur saying that zoro has a higher chance of winning by holding back and conserving his stamina then how is that him being prideful? Fights aren’t supposed to be gambles where a character goes all out running thru all their haki in 2 minutes in hopes of finishing things as fast as possible. If zoro thinks he has a better chance at winning he should take that if it means he has a greater chance of helping his friends later. If zoro did what ur talking about and went all out from the jump he may have burned through all his haki and wouldn’t be able to help against the gorosei. He chose the smartest option. I don’t see how he’s prideful for conserving stamina. Which is the logical thing to do especially if he expected to have to fight other people after lucci.
U want zoro to fight like luffy? Use his energy draining ability until he loses stamina and then when the big bad pulls up he’s powerless and has to be saved by franky??? That’s illogical.
@@kingmanga8575 He didn't know about the Gorosei. All he knew is that his friends were in danger and he needed to get there as soon as possible. Choosing to elongate the fight to have a higher chance to "win" at the cost of your friends is pride. And see how i keep quoting win and lose? That's because this fight was irrelevant. The fact that he even took the fight in the first place was because of pride.
Im not sure how you can say its better to conserve stamina for future opponents when Zoro had no idea about then and when him elongating the fight literally costed the SH crew a life. They lost Vegapunk because he took too long. If Zoro hurried up VP would've lived. And no im not blaming just Zoro for VP's death. Im blaming the entire monster trio, they all failed VP. Anyways, hypothetically if Sanji wasn't there they would've lost like 4 lives that day just because of a grudge match. Like no dude, risking lives is not the correct option no matter how you look at it. Once a life is gone, 99% of the time its just gone.
Look, this is just my interpretation of it. You can agree or disagree with how his pride affected him, its up to debate but theres no question that pride was undeniably a factor since both Jinbei and Lucci bring it up.
I don't think the 3rd sword really matters it's not a power up for zoro. Zoro was literally just stalling and letting lucci go at it with him. Just like Mihawk could have killed him with just the small knife zoro could have beaten him with one sword if he really tried to. People just thinkbthe fight was close because of how durable lucci is but Durability is different than raw power. Because let's be honest here zoro ends him once he starts using advanced conquerers no matter how many swords he uses.
So basically a no difficulty win for Zoro? Obviously
i found it real disappointing that we see lucci using none of his techniques in this fight. lucci had to be taken out due to plot, if he decided to use any of the 5 other techniques he has this fight would have taken way longer. they'd probably still be fighting
honestly all im hearing is zoro glazing
nun about lucci fighing luffy before the fight it wont make a diff since zoro would still win but he dammed over powered take enma away and zoro is shit the conc and acoc in 1night???!!! chat is this real ??? even luffy had to train for tha shit zoros plot armor hitting hard atp
Don't cry Sanji is also pretty strong 🙏
@@beepboop4833 🤷
I think zoro was wearing him down .
Yea no I’m along the same opinion here both mihawk and Zoro play with their food.
keeping up with zoros offensive
*keeping up with enma's offfensive chat dont get me wrong hes strong buh he aint shit without enma
Zoro hasn't let Enma drain any haki this entire arc you fool.
Stop being such an insecure sanjitard it's pathetic. Downplaying Zoro downplays Sanji as well since Sanji will always be under Zoro.
Root for the Strawhats 👍
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Enma hasn't even taken any haki this arc fool 😂
Stop being an insecure sanjitard it's lame. Downplaying Zoro will downplay Sanji since Sanji will always be under Zoro.
@@thedrunkronin4550 💀
Trying to say Zoro could off ended the fight at any point is straight up ignoring how literally every character in verse fights.
No One Piece character enters the fight with their strongest moves. If we go by the logic that asura or KoH's strongest attacks could one shot Lucci then we might as well just start looking at Luffy and asking who could he beat with a Bajran Gun. As it stands a Bajran Gun is one shotting literally anyone other than possibly a full HP Kaido, Big Mum and Imu. But we don't scale that way because Luffy would never enter a fight with his strongest move.
If Zoro is unable to beat Lucci with anything less than 3 swords and advanced conquerors - an ability that he does not right now have complete control over - then by definition the two are relative.
This is the same mental gymnastics that make people believe Luffy vs Kizaru was a low diff when Luffy had to go into his awakened form and use advanced conquerors as well as go through his entire stamina pool before he landed white star gun. By definition, if you have to go inot your strongest form to defeat someone (couldn't even land a hit with snakeman) then you are relative to them.
But the thing he still ultimately ended the fight with three swords and ACOC all in one attack which ended the fight outright. So I don't even know what you're getting at with them being "relative" to one another when that further couldn't be the case.
Zoro is stronger but y'all are exceding with the zoro agenda. Literally lucci was ready to keep fighting and looked scary. Literally pulled a luffy g2 scene. Obviously zoro would've won but the fight is extreme diff if it continued imo.
bro what r u smoking.Zoro extreme diff fights are fights like with king or mr1.where he has blood or he has a possibility of lossing.There was never a single drop of blood on Zoro and lucci is covered in blood .
When zoro achieved king of hell he instantly destroyed king, couldnt do the same with lucci
that doesn't make any sense
Deymmmm
HAHA first
Lucci still standing after that attack was total bulls&&& writing on Oda’s part. He should have fallen even though Zoro won this one, it didn’t make any sense he was still standing. His awakening is no joke though but it was just a bit too much for me.
Oda saving zoro energy for a big moment I'm just glad now cp-0 knows not to mess with the straw hats
LUCCI VS WHO'S WHO what's the result??
definitely lucci