Of course Davion can have a favourite, it doesnt mean we wish bad things on any other character! Surely in Star Wars or somethin you have a fave character.. does that mean you hate the rest? Davion is NOT being toxic!!
Cas was basically only saving and helping Sam because of Dean at this point anyway Cas start caring about Sam as a friend from s9 onwards. Until then Cas was oy helping Sam for Dean. Cas and Sam have gotten closer but still not at the same level as Dean and Cas. Dean abd Cas literally have "profound bond" lmao
It’s been shown that all throughout Sam’s life, there were demons infiltrating his life to help guide Sam to the course the angels needed. So, maybe the chasm between Sam and his family was put there by the demons to make him easier to break later.
I think Dean is so used to having to be responsible for others, that he often ends up becoming controlling. When it comes to what Cas is doing now, I think it scares Dean because he isn't the one doing it, he has no control over the situation. Because working with Crowley? They did that. You can't tell me Dean wouldn't have utilized souls from Purgatory if he thought it could be used to stop the Apocalypse and save Sam from dragging Lucifer to the Cage. But because Cas is the one making to calls right now, Dean probably feels powerless. If something goes wrong, Dean will find a way to blame himself for not having everything under control. He can't trust Cas to make his own decisions, just as he has struggled with letting Sam make his own decisions, just as he doesn't let Lisa and Ben decide for themselves. It comes from a place of love and feeling like he has to take care of others, but it's not fair on Dean to have that much responsibility, and it's not fair on others that he doesn't trust them and respect their decisions. It breaks my heart when Cas asks for Dean to just trust him this once, because Cas has put such a trust in Dean especially. Dean told an angel that rebelling was the right thing to do, which Cas knew deep down, but Dean was the one to make him face that at the end of season 4, which temporarily cost Cas his life. We see how Cas sticks by Dean through everything in the timeline where Sam and Dean split and Sam says yes to Lucifer, even going on an obvious suicide mission for him. He follows Dean's lead again and again, but now Dean can't return the favour and trust Cas when it comes to dealing with Raphael, Cas' older brother, and a civil war in Cas' home. And Cas doesn't need Dean's permission to do this. Dean is not his superior. But it's so, so sad to see this come between them, because it pains them both so much, and it feels like it should have been avoidable, because they all want to same things ultimately, and care deeply about each other. Maybe if Cas had gone to Dean at first, disturbing his "apple pie life" with Lisa instead of listening to Crowley, then Dean might have been able to trust him, maybe, big maybe. But out of love for Dean and all he sacrificed, Cas didn't. And maybe Cas would have confided in Dean if Dean hadn't been so dismissive of the civil war in Heaven again and again initially, but Dean already had too much on his plate. Maybe they could find another way together, but right now Purgatory is really the only suggestion on the table for how to deal with this, and it's tough that they can't work together on it.
if he hadn't take this deal and got the 50k souls, he wouldn't had been strong enaugh to even start the civil war and apocalypse 2.0 would already be started
Sam will always carry the guilt that he had those prophetic dreams of Jess dying but ignored them because he wanted to be “normal”. Even knowing it wasn’t really his fault because Brady did it to force Sam back into hunting.
In regards to what happened with Jess, even if Jess never existed in the story or if Azazel never ordered Brady to kill her, Lucifer WOULD have found a way to force Sam back into the life of a Hunter. If it wasn't Jess, they would've found some other way, or more likely, some other woman. After all, Brady (or rather the demon possessing him) said himself that the only reason he introduced Sam to Jess in the first place was to fulfill this plan. Basically give him a reason to live a happy life and then snatch it away in the same way it happened to his family decades before. That being said, the demons would absolutely have needed a way to force him into taking up hunting again beyond just him warning justice or revenge for Mary. Because I don't remember exactly where he said it, but Sam DID say that since he doesn't have any memories of Mary, her death never really effected him as much as it did for John and Dean, so her death wasn't enough reason for him to want to fight back in the early days. At least not until he actually did meet her through time travel shenanigans and Anna's attempt in her life while she was pregnant. Now that he's actually met her, her memory is enough to make him want to hunt.
Cas erasing their memories might work in the short-term, but Lisa and Ben have friends who knew Dean, they moved 3 times in the year he lived with them, their house is demon-proofed - they wouldn't notice that? - there are pics of Dean, etc. There's no way they don't get home and start finding references to him or people mention him, etc., and they find out about him again! LOL Nathan is correct, he went back to school and was going to have his law school interview. Dean had LEFT, but saw the fire and returned. Sam went with Dean because Jess died/ Her death pulled him back into the life, but he was OUT. John being missing was not enough to pull Sam in.
The whole erasing their memories doesn’t have to make sense it’s just an excuse for the writers to never reference them again or have Dean see them again
The last 3 episodes of season 6 are just *chef's kiss". I know I'm in the minority but I personally really love season 6's storyline. And y'all are just hilarious, your commentary is even better that the reaction. 🤣
I don’t think Sam would have came back to the hunter lifestyle if Jess stayed alive. Sam has literally said something similar to the effect that Davion said in the pilot episode. Basically, he didn’t have any memories of Mom and wasn’t that big of a deal to him.
It’s funny how the “non-toxic” fan always seem to make it a competition when there was never a competition in the first place. Especially with Nathan going after Davion for being a Dean stan when Nathan was exactly the same way with Stiles. Just because Davion is feeling his feels for Dean doesn’t mean he doesn’t also feel for Sam. He’s just not mentioning it because he relates to Dean better.
I understand why some people have an issue with Dean getting Lisa and Ben's memories erased, some even have accused him of taking their free will away, but I think he did it for 2 reasons: 1. What the demon said that Lisa thought of him while possessing her really got to him and he started to believe it and 2. Ben has been traumatized and may end up following in his footsteps. So, this was Dean's way of saying he's sorry for messing up their lives and they can now be completely rid of him. Also, I loved that Sam read the room when he was scolding Dean about erasing Lisa and Ben's memories. It wasn't Dean's threat that made him let it go, it was the fact that he saw his brother was hurt and looked like he was about to breakdown. So, good on him for not continuing to come down on his brother seeing how what he just did is eating him up. Let's not get dramatic here. Dean hasn't lied to Sam every season. They all have lied about something yes and they all have been hypocritical at some point, but Dean isn't mad about the lying, he's mad at Castiel for working with Crowley behind their backs and trying to open Purgatory. Yes, Dean has worked with Crowley, but in season 5, it was to find the last two Horsemen, and they all (Sam, Dean, Bobby, and Castiel) worked with Crowley then, and this season, it was by force. So, not the same as what Castiel is doing here. And how is Dean trash for not forgiving Castiel so easily? He feels betrayed and he has a right to not forgive and forget when it just happened. Hell, Dean didn't forgive Sam right away after the whole demon blood, Ruby debacle. But Castiel pulling the "I've done everything for you" card will never sit right with me. That's like Dean telling Sam he's sacrificed everything for him if Sam were ever mad at him. That's just toxic and manipulative. Sidenote: At this point in the show, Sam has had 5 seasons (1,2,4,5, and 6) centered around him, so there's nothing wrong with having a season or episode centered around Dean. Considering they're co-leads/main characters, that's how it should be.
Well my main problem with the wiping their memory besides their free will choose is that now they forgot everything if a Demon or some monster where to come after them then Dean just doom them to die not only that they wouldn't know any sign that their endanger from a supernatural being
@@Darkflame1423 I don't think anything would come for them. Not saying it isn't possible or that Dean hasn't put them in more danger, I just think the chances are slim. And the outcome they got seems to be leaning more toward the they'll be fine side.
@@Darkflame1423 knowing Dean he has some sort of protection plan for them, some way of knowing they're not in danger by supernatural beings and why would demons would go after them? They don't remember anything and don't hold any value the only outcome would be a pissed off Winchester on their back and we know full well that everyone in this show is afraid of that
The story was originally supposed to be sam's story through deans perspective which led to a nice balance now its deans story through his own perspective.
@@pillowboy7995 I get that, but they had to switch it up. Dean was becoming more popular and solely focusing on Sam's story would've gone stale eventually. Dean's perspective of his own story does more for his character than Sam's perspective of Dean's story. And I wouldn't say there was a nice balance when it was the Sam show because there were times when Dean got pushed aside. But my point still stands, no Sam or Dean fan should be complaining when a season or episode is focused on one or the other when they both have had equal attention.
You will never convince me that the demon was lying. Although it’s completely plausible that they were, I like to go on believing that Ben truly is his biological son. 😄
If he was, Lisa lied to her own child for over a year when his father was living with them. If Ben is Dean's son, Lisa is a cruel, manipulative and abusive mother.
I think it's implied she knew how to open the door because she came from the other side? All other monsters on earth have never been to purgatory, most probably don't even know it exists (except for like, Alphas)
Be prepared for a long comment. From the transcript in the pilot episode and Cameron’s favorite. Taking place on the bridge. DEAN Now we keep digging until we find him. Might take a while. SAM stops. SAM Dean, I told you, I've gotta get back by Monday- DEAN turns around. DEAN Monday. Right. The interview. SAM Yeah. DEAN Yeah, I forgot. You're really serious about this, aren't you? You think you're just going to become some lawyer? Marry your girl? SAM Maybe. Why not? DEAN Does Jessica know the truth about you? I mean, does she know about the things you've done? SAM steps closer. SAM No, and she's not ever going to know. DEAN Well, that's healthy. You can pretend all you want, Sammy. But sooner or later you're going to have to face up to who you really are. DEAN turns around and keeps walking. SAM follows. SAM And who's that? DEAN You're one of us. SAM hurries to get in front of DEAN. SAM No. I'm not like you. This is not going to be my life. DEAN You have a responsibility to- SAM To Dad? And his crusade? If it weren't for pictures I wouldn't even know what Mom looks like. And what difference would it make? Even if we do find the thing that killed her, Mom's gone. And she isn't coming back. DEAN grabs SAM by the collar and shoves him up against the railing of the bridge. A long pause. DEAN Don't talk about her like that.
Regardless of this, they wanted Sam to be Lucies vessel so he would have been forced into the life anyway. If ti werent Jess it would have been someone else close to same because they were destroyign any distractions. He was supposed to marry jess and have kids. They couldnt have that so that means no matter what he did there would be an event to bring him into being a hunter.
Hey so to help you guys out, anything that's not a demon, angel, prophet or human is a monster. The monsters orginally come from purgatory an multiply with humans on earth. Monsters like werewolves, vampires, shapeshifters, etc. But the majority of the monsters try to be human but can't get past their primal urges. Like the vampire that was a friend to sam and fed on animals. Or the girl sam liked got bitten by werewolf and sam ended up killing her. That's one of the main annoyances about supernatural, the Writers don't really give the monsters a chance. Unlike shows like vampire diaries or charmed
12:22 Cameron being a little shit to stick up for his brother and Nathan is just done with everything. Have I mentioned how much I love y’all and your dynamics?
I mean tbh both Nathan and Davion are right. Had Jess never died Sam never would have gone back to hunting, having said that it was inevitable that Jess was going to die considering the sheer amount of demons that were in Sam's life under Azazel/Lucifer's command.
I still think Dean and Sam should've at least tried to understand Cas. I mean Cas is an angel, if he's partnering with the devil it means Cas mist be desperate to win of his losing battle. Just like Dean when he's desperate to get Sam soul back. But no, they just like "hey I don't trust you now Cas, even when you help us 24/7 cause you're working with Crowley. We're the only one who can work with Crowley"...
@@Davidscomix it's wrong yes, Spoiler ahead just a reminder: but that's literally the only way to save the world. Raphael is trying to start the apocalypse again, now Castiel finds a way to defeat him. Get millions or maybe billions of souls in purgatory to defeat raphael. The only thing that makes it bad is Castiel trying to be God. This could potentially haven't happened if Dean at least tried to talk to him. I mean come on, Castiel keeps telling Dean, trust him or at least side for him for once like he did again and again. But No. He ditched him out, now Castiel is literally lost at that point cause like he sid he's doing it for Dean. And we know that Cas do share a more profound bond to Dean, Cas said it itself.
@@Davidscomix Spoiler again: The show pointed that the only way to defeat Raphael is Castiel way. If Dean trusted Cas and not ditched him out, Cas could've killed Raphael and Crowley then put the souls back again to purgatory. Later He said he has no family, that's what he feels now after Dean...i keep going in circles but you get what I mean. Dean and Sam could've sided with him, but they choose not to. What ideas do they have to defeat Raphael? Non literally.
Thats why I dont blame the boys Dad. Yellow eyes was going to try to recruit Sam anyway, no matter what. I think John knew Sam was still in danger so they had to be in the life to protect themselves. So Davion is right here, with or without Jess Yellow Eyes wanted him to be Lucifers vessel.
@@Davidscomix ppl have their favorites like Davion said. But just because u like one of the brothers more doesn’t mean u dislike or don’t care about the other one
The first character we ever saw in the first episode of Stranger Things was neither Eleven not Mine. It was technically the scientist that ended up getting got by the demogorgon in the lift.
Lucifer is a fallen Angel and the “god” of some of the demons. Which is really sad because to Lucifer, demons are worse than humans. Maybe because they’re corrupted humans 🤷♀️
Balthazar: Or too much juice for you, in which case you explode. . .Just - just tell me that it's entirely risk-free" He literally cares SO MUCH for Cas. He's only in this war For Cas. He doesn't _care_ about humans, or Earth. I'm entirely certain he "betrayed" Cas to try & protect him from himself
Nate’s right, Sam was done with hunting which is why Dean was leaving but only returned when he heard Sam screaming about Jess dying. Jess was inter psyched to Sam by that best friend who was a demon; it was all planes to push Sam back with her death so Sam want going back at that point if she lived. Further down the line they would be out of school and working and building a family so he wouldn’t have left if he had kids.
Well if you watched the Deleted scene but if not then we only see Dean run back in the house after Sam screams so I guess it depends on rather or not they watched that scene
12:16-12:51 absolutely wrecks my heart! Cas does not deserve to be treated like this, he's died for Dean's cause TWICE! He was outcast from Heaven & hunted by his siblings all throughout s5 & _he_ trusted Dean enough to _rebel_ in s4 (and Dean FAILED him) But he doesn't deserve the same? Sam & Dean have not repaid Cas with even _half_ the loyalty he showes them /=
Cas let Sam out of the panic room just so he could go and kill Lilith and start the apocalypse, and later he blamed SAM AND DEAN for that, and never took any responsibility. He brought Sam back from hell without his soul, and didn't tell Dean, and didn't tell Sam what's wrong with him, and let souless Sam hunt for a year and kill innocent people.
@@janematthews3394 Cas has been an Angel of God since before humans crawled out of the seas. Interacting with humans is not a regular thing for Angels to do. Cas is an alien to human culture. When he let Sam out, Cas had been "corrected" by heaven, he was going down the same path as the Archangel Lucifer, he was falling. He didn't bring Sam back without his soul, on purpose, he was getting him out of the Lucifers cage in hell, which one would think might be better protected than where Dean was. When he was getting Dean out, he had all of heavens power behind him. When he got Sam's "vessel" out, he was doing so alone. I don't believe Cas knew at first that Sam's soul was still in the cage, he was to distracted by the need to stop the apocalypse, alone. "Free Will is a length of rope for god to strangle you with". JMHO 🖖
@@janematthews3394 Cas was _tortured_ into compliance 1ep prior to letting Sam out He clearly didn't want to do that, or get Ana captured ("You shouldn't have come"), or keep Dean prisoner until Lucifer rose. And even _after_ being reconditioned, _knowing_ he would be killed for it, he found the courage to rebel anyway And he didn't bring Sam back soulless on purpose. He didn't know Sam was soulless until he reached inside to check in ep7. It isn't Cas' job to police Sam or Dean's behavior; he wasn't going to pause the Civil War to go remind Sam murder is bad
Yeah Lisa and Ben are extra screwed now with no memories. Just as useful for leverage over Dean, but with no knowledge of how to defend themselves or who to seek help with. Hopefully if nothing comes for them again, they might live without the fear of the supernatural (if you'd rather have blissful ignorance), but what about that time when Dean was in their life? Is it just a year or so of their life that they have no memory of, or is he absent from the memories? Like, is Ben remembering something about being taken to some event, but without being able to recall who took him there? There's just this absence leading them to question their own memory? I was never a fan of Lisa and Ben as characters, but I do feel sorry for them, not being given a choice between potentially dangerous ignorance, and terrifying knowledge.
Season 6 had some banging episodes, and although I liked it, I didn't love it. There were just too many plotlines for my taste. For the boys we had Sam's missing soul, the Lisa drama and the addition of Grandpa Samuel. On the monster front there were the Alphas, the Mother Of All and Crowley's search for Puratory. And finally the Angels with Raphiel wanting to restart the Apocalypse, Heaven's missing weapons and Castiel working with Crowley.
Cass wasn't evil character. If I was Sam and Dean I would trust him with this plan. He basically was doing that for them so Raphael couldn't start apocalypse again. Working with Crowley? So what? Boys did this too earlier. So I don't get all this sh*t with evil Cass etc.
I am an old "Dean girl" but I love Sam & Cass too. It's not a "I love Dean only thing". It's just that i like Dean's character more. He's a bad boy & I like bad boys. Sam is tall, muscular & smart. I like that too. Cass is funny, strong, loyal. I like him too. Everyone has a favorite character, that doesn't mean we don't like the others. I learned to type on one of those old typewriters in school. I told you I was old. Did you notice Ben was reading Cthulhu Tales by H.P. Lovecraft when the demons broke in? Those books & that writer are real, by the way. "Jolly Green" is a reference to vegetable commercials in the old days. The "Jolly Green Giant" was the mascot of the Green Giant brand. My heart was broken when Dean drove away from the hospital. But I know it was the best thing for Lisa & Ben. I just want to hug him! The argument about Sam getting into the life was explained by Brady, his college bud. The demon possessed Brady & brought Sam & Jess together then killed her on Azazel's orders to get Sam back into the hunting life. There has been so many secrets between all of them. Love your reactions & discussions, as always.👵❤☮
stop attacking davion for his opinion on cas and dean relationship plz nethan y are u imposing ur bealive on davion? let him ship and love any charachter he wants
Are you kidding? Sam frickin idolized Cas when he first met him, but Cas pushed him to the wayside cuz he was the “boy with the demon blood”. It isn't really until s9 that Cas really looks at him as something more than Lucifer’s pet project or Dean’s little brother. Sam tries to be cordial, but like Cas said, he and Dean have a more profound bond. They don't truly become friends until s10 imo, before that they're like co-workers who ride the elevator together and work in the same office.
Dean is so wrong this episode, damn. Not only by erasing Lisa and Ben's memories but how he treats Sam in these types of moments. He wants Sammy to be 100% honest with him, not letting him really have a fuckin minute yet flips his shit when it's his turn. just the way he snaps at Sam is just completely inappropriate, especially since what he's upset about was something that HE decided, and was not needed. Like how does that help them? The demons still know that DEAN cares about them, even if they don't. If anything it should have been a mutual mind wipe to ensure their safety.
I dunno if it’s the right thing to do because you’re taking away their agency. You’re basically saying that your mental sense of ease is more important than their choice.
Dean erasing their memories is SO egotistical! He doesn't get to just _decide_ whats best for Lisa or Ben, without consulting them It's _their_ memories, _their_ lives. They should have had a choice! Even if it's "for their safety", you don't get to choose what's best for someone else Dean _stole_ their memories for _his own_ peace of mind
Nobody is saying for Davion to not to praise Dean, you can praise Dean while also giving Sam some recognition as well. Saying that "Dean deserves better than Cas right now" isn't just toxic its blatantly disregarding a whole ass other main character.
He doesn't _have_ to give Sam recognition though. You're entirely free to hate Sam, Dean, Bobby, Cas Like, I dont understand what makes some fans think they get to _set the rules_ for how to enjoy a show? Toxic would be harassing other fans, going out of your way to post hate in Sam/Dean/Cas-fav circles But calling having a favorite character "toxic" is such a misuse of the word Just because you don't like/agree with what someone is doing doesn't mean it's "toxic" behavior
@@audreyii6750 I never said having a favorite character is toxic. I said completely and utterly disregarding the literal other main character is toxic. And from what I understand Davion doesn't hate Sam's character, he just completely doesn't care about his character. And sure Davion has the entitlement to feel however he wants about whatever character, regardless if it's warranted or not, it's written nowhere that he can't not hate any character of a show. But he put his opinion online to his thousands of fans who watch JUST US's content, that gives the fans the right to judge their reactions to their content however they see fit. And considering I've watched this show regularly since season 1 and have been a long time fan, I'm going to judge his opinion as such. Completely disregarding the literal only other main character for no other reason than loving his brother makes no logical fuckin sense and is toxic.
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The ending with Dean wiping Lisa and Ben’s memories with forever break my heart!
I love how Cameron is a total wildcard. One second he’s on your side and the next he’s arguing against you.
I love that Crowley is constantly making new nicknames for the brothers but also Sam’s nicknames specifically regarding his height.
Crowley considers dimensions very important.
Of course Davion can have a favourite, it doesnt mean we wish bad things on any other character! Surely in Star Wars or somethin you have a fave character.. does that mean you hate the rest? Davion is NOT being toxic!!
I understand Nathan's pov. Both Sam and Dean deserve better but the relationship between Cas and Dean is much stronger than Cas and Sam.
Beyond more stronger, Sam & Cas are just work friends at this point
Cas was basically only saving and helping Sam because of Dean at this point anyway
Cas start caring about Sam as a friend from s9 onwards. Until then Cas was oy helping Sam for Dean.
Cas and Sam have gotten closer but still not at the same level as Dean and Cas. Dean abd Cas literally have "profound bond" lmao
Cameron, I don’t think Cas needs permission, he just wants support as a friend/family.
Technically Eleanor isn’t a demon but some unidentified “monster” 🤓
Demons are hell bound while the other supernatural beings go to purgatory.
It’s been shown that all throughout Sam’s life, there were demons infiltrating his life to help guide Sam to the course the angels needed. So, maybe the chasm between Sam and his family was put there by the demons to make him easier to break later.
I think Dean is so used to having to be responsible for others, that he often ends up becoming controlling. When it comes to what Cas is doing now, I think it scares Dean because he isn't the one doing it, he has no control over the situation. Because working with Crowley? They did that. You can't tell me Dean wouldn't have utilized souls from Purgatory if he thought it could be used to stop the Apocalypse and save Sam from dragging Lucifer to the Cage. But because Cas is the one making to calls right now, Dean probably feels powerless. If something goes wrong, Dean will find a way to blame himself for not having everything under control. He can't trust Cas to make his own decisions, just as he has struggled with letting Sam make his own decisions, just as he doesn't let Lisa and Ben decide for themselves. It comes from a place of love and feeling like he has to take care of others, but it's not fair on Dean to have that much responsibility, and it's not fair on others that he doesn't trust them and respect their decisions.
It breaks my heart when Cas asks for Dean to just trust him this once, because Cas has put such a trust in Dean especially. Dean told an angel that rebelling was the right thing to do, which Cas knew deep down, but Dean was the one to make him face that at the end of season 4, which temporarily cost Cas his life. We see how Cas sticks by Dean through everything in the timeline where Sam and Dean split and Sam says yes to Lucifer, even going on an obvious suicide mission for him. He follows Dean's lead again and again, but now Dean can't return the favour and trust Cas when it comes to dealing with Raphael, Cas' older brother, and a civil war in Cas' home.
And Cas doesn't need Dean's permission to do this. Dean is not his superior.
But it's so, so sad to see this come between them, because it pains them both so much, and it feels like it should have been avoidable, because they all want to same things ultimately, and care deeply about each other.
Maybe if Cas had gone to Dean at first, disturbing his "apple pie life" with Lisa instead of listening to Crowley, then Dean might have been able to trust him, maybe, big maybe. But out of love for Dean and all he sacrificed, Cas didn't. And maybe Cas would have confided in Dean if Dean hadn't been so dismissive of the civil war in Heaven again and again initially, but Dean already had too much on his plate. Maybe they could find another way together, but right now Purgatory is really the only suggestion on the table for how to deal with this, and it's tough that they can't work together on it.
if he hadn't take this deal and got the 50k souls, he wouldn't had been strong enaugh to even start the civil war and apocalypse 2.0 would already be started
Castiel has a point that he’s always there for Dean. Castiel, also having flavors of Sam with the whole believe in me and my plan a la demon powers.
Sam will always carry the guilt that he had those prophetic dreams of Jess dying but ignored them because he wanted to be “normal”. Even knowing it wasn’t really his fault because Brady did it to force Sam back into hunting.
In regards to what happened with Jess, even if Jess never existed in the story or if Azazel never ordered Brady to kill her, Lucifer WOULD have found a way to force Sam back into the life of a Hunter. If it wasn't Jess, they would've found some other way, or more likely, some other woman. After all, Brady (or rather the demon possessing him) said himself that the only reason he introduced Sam to Jess in the first place was to fulfill this plan. Basically give him a reason to live a happy life and then snatch it away in the same way it happened to his family decades before. That being said, the demons would absolutely have needed a way to force him into taking up hunting again beyond just him warning justice or revenge for Mary. Because I don't remember exactly where he said it, but Sam DID say that since he doesn't have any memories of Mary, her death never really effected him as much as it did for John and Dean, so her death wasn't enough reason for him to want to fight back in the early days. At least not until he actually did meet her through time travel shenanigans and Anna's attempt in her life while she was pregnant. Now that he's actually met her, her memory is enough to make him want to hunt.
16:02 I remember being happy with that until the “just kidding” part
Cas erasing their memories might work in the short-term, but Lisa and Ben have friends who knew Dean, they moved 3 times in the year he lived with them, their house is demon-proofed - they wouldn't notice that? - there are pics of Dean, etc. There's no way they don't get home and start finding references to him or people mention him, etc., and they find out about him again! LOL
Nathan is correct, he went back to school and was going to have his law school interview. Dean had LEFT, but saw the fire and returned. Sam went with Dean because Jess died/ Her death pulled him back into the life, but he was OUT. John being missing was not enough to pull Sam in.
Yeah but they won’t remember what he did
The whole erasing their memories doesn’t have to make sense it’s just an excuse for the writers to never reference them again or have Dean see them again
@@patrickmcguire7896 Yes, thank you, I'm not a moron, I understand that. It's just a ridiculous premise, that's all. Sheesh.
@@TheAlmaward I agree it is a ridiculous premise wasn’t trying to make you mad
The last 3 episodes of season 6 are just *chef's kiss". I know I'm in the minority but I personally really love season 6's storyline. And y'all are just hilarious, your commentary is even better that the reaction. 🤣
I think they are awesome. I love Season 6 so far.
I don’t think Sam would have came back to the hunter lifestyle if Jess stayed alive. Sam has literally said something similar to the effect that Davion said in the pilot episode. Basically, he didn’t have any memories of Mom and wasn’t that big of a deal to him.
It’s funny how the “non-toxic” fan always seem to make it a competition when there was never a competition in the first place. Especially with Nathan going after Davion for being a Dean stan when Nathan was exactly the same way with Stiles. Just because Davion is feeling his feels for Dean doesn’t mean he doesn’t also feel for Sam. He’s just not mentioning it because he relates to Dean better.
I understand why some people have an issue with Dean getting Lisa and Ben's memories erased, some even have accused him of taking their free will away, but I think he did it for 2 reasons: 1. What the demon said that Lisa thought of him while possessing her really got to him and he started to believe it and 2. Ben has been traumatized and may end up following in his footsteps. So, this was Dean's way of saying he's sorry for messing up their lives and they can now be completely rid of him. Also, I loved that Sam read the room when he was scolding Dean about erasing Lisa and Ben's memories. It wasn't Dean's threat that made him let it go, it was the fact that he saw his brother was hurt and looked like he was about to breakdown. So, good on him for not continuing to come down on his brother seeing how what he just did is eating him up.
Let's not get dramatic here. Dean hasn't lied to Sam every season. They all have lied about something yes and they all have been hypocritical at some point, but Dean isn't mad about the lying, he's mad at Castiel for working with Crowley behind their backs and trying to open Purgatory. Yes, Dean has worked with Crowley, but in season 5, it was to find the last two Horsemen, and they all (Sam, Dean, Bobby, and Castiel) worked with Crowley then, and this season, it was by force. So, not the same as what Castiel is doing here. And how is Dean trash for not forgiving Castiel so easily? He feels betrayed and he has a right to not forgive and forget when it just happened. Hell, Dean didn't forgive Sam right away after the whole demon blood, Ruby debacle. But Castiel pulling the "I've done everything for you" card will never sit right with me. That's like Dean telling Sam he's sacrificed everything for him if Sam were ever mad at him. That's just toxic and manipulative.
Sidenote: At this point in the show, Sam has had 5 seasons (1,2,4,5, and 6) centered around him, so there's nothing wrong with having a season or episode centered around Dean. Considering they're co-leads/main characters, that's how it should be.
Well my main problem with the wiping their memory besides their free will choose is that now they forgot everything if a Demon or some monster where to come after them then Dean just doom them to die not only that they wouldn't know any sign that their endanger from a supernatural being
@@Darkflame1423 I don't think anything would come for them. Not saying it isn't possible or that Dean hasn't put them in more danger, I just think the chances are slim. And the outcome they got seems to be leaning more toward the they'll be fine side.
@@Darkflame1423 knowing Dean he has some sort of protection plan for them, some way of knowing they're not in danger by supernatural beings and why would demons would go after them? They don't remember anything and don't hold any value the only outcome would be a pissed off Winchester on their back and we know full well that everyone in this show is afraid of that
The story was originally supposed to be sam's story through deans perspective which led to a nice balance now its deans story through his own perspective.
@@pillowboy7995 I get that, but they had to switch it up. Dean was becoming more popular and solely focusing on Sam's story would've gone stale eventually. Dean's perspective of his own story does more for his character than Sam's perspective of Dean's story. And I wouldn't say there was a nice balance when it was the Sam show because there were times when Dean got pushed aside. But my point still stands, no Sam or Dean fan should be complaining when a season or episode is focused on one or the other when they both have had equal attention.
It seems like another marker for Winchester status, besides making demon deals, is sleeping with non-humans.
You will never convince me that the demon was lying. Although it’s completely plausible that they were, I like to go on believing that Ben truly is his biological son. 😄
If he was, Lisa lied to her own child for over a year when his father was living with them. If Ben is Dean's son, Lisa is a cruel, manipulative and abusive mother.
@@helenwood8482 abusive? Don’t be dramatic just because she lied doesn’t mean she’s a bad person princess
@@Davidscomix definitely means she's a bad person if she lied about something that big to her son who's desperate for a father figure
@@copium-compound22 yeah I guess but not abusive, just a lier and conniving person. It’s confirmed that he’s not though
The look on Cameron’s face when he saw Lisa 🤣
Sam was a Winchester destined to be Lucifer's vessel. He would have come back into hunting. Davion is absolutely right.
Now you can kind of see why Samuel was so strict with Mary and why she was so insistent on leaving the lifestyle.
I am always on Davion's side but Nathan is right about the pilot and sam going on the road bc of jess dying
I think she’s the only one outside of Purgatory that knows how to open the door.
I think it's implied she knew how to open the door because she came from the other side?
All other monsters on earth have never been to purgatory, most probably don't even know it exists (except for like, Alphas)
I'm finally caught up with your supernatural videos
Be prepared for a long comment. From the transcript in the pilot episode and Cameron’s favorite. Taking place on the bridge.
DEAN
Now we keep digging until we find him. Might take a while.
SAM stops.
SAM
Dean, I told you, I've gotta get back by Monday-
DEAN turns around.
DEAN
Monday. Right. The interview.
SAM
Yeah.
DEAN
Yeah, I forgot. You're really serious about this, aren't you? You think you're just going to become some lawyer? Marry your girl?
SAM
Maybe. Why not?
DEAN
Does Jessica know the truth about you? I mean, does she know about the things you've done?
SAM steps closer.
SAM
No, and she's not ever going to know.
DEAN
Well, that's healthy. You can pretend all you want, Sammy. But sooner or later you're going to have to face up to who you really are.
DEAN turns around and keeps walking. SAM follows.
SAM
And who's that?
DEAN
You're one of us.
SAM hurries to get in front of DEAN.
SAM
No. I'm not like you. This is not going to be my life.
DEAN
You have a responsibility to-
SAM
To Dad? And his crusade? If it weren't for pictures I wouldn't even know what Mom looks like. And what difference would it make? Even if we do find the thing that killed her, Mom's gone. And she isn't coming back.
DEAN grabs SAM by the collar and shoves him up against the railing of the bridge. A long pause.
DEAN
Don't talk about her like that.
Regardless of this, they wanted Sam to be Lucies vessel so he would have been forced into the life anyway. If ti werent Jess it would have been someone else close to same because they were destroyign any distractions. He was supposed to marry jess and have kids. They couldnt have that so that means no matter what he did there would be an event to bring him into being a hunter.
That poor man, someone finally listening to his story.
I don't know what we're supposed to think, but it sure looked like Bobby stole that man's picture of his mom, lol
Bobby: *yoinks picture*
Old Man: “Hey, he stole my -“
Bobby: “Who me? Nah, couldn’t be … bye!”
Old Man: ☹️
This ending is so sad, I always cry when I see it
Love love love this episode..... it hit all the feels.
Hey so to help you guys out, anything that's not a demon, angel, prophet or human is a monster. The monsters orginally come from purgatory an multiply with humans on earth. Monsters like werewolves, vampires, shapeshifters, etc. But the majority of the monsters try to be human but can't get past their primal urges. Like the vampire that was a friend to sam and fed on animals. Or the girl sam liked got bitten by werewolf and sam ended up killing her. That's one of the main annoyances about supernatural, the Writers don't really give the monsters a chance. Unlike shows like vampire diaries or charmed
Pagan gods
Supernatural was written NOT to be like those other shows. Appreciate each show for what they are instead of wanting all shows to be alike.
The next episode is one of my absolute favorites of season 6, I am so pumped
Sam had to go back for his law school interview on Monday.
12:22 Cameron being a little shit to stick up for his brother and Nathan is just done with everything. Have I mentioned how much I love y’all and your dynamics?
Poor Ben. He’s been hella traumatized.
I mean tbh both Nathan and Davion are right. Had Jess never died Sam never would have gone back to hunting, having said that it was inevitable that Jess was going to die considering the sheer amount of demons that were in Sam's life under Azazel/Lucifer's command.
I still think Dean and Sam should've at least tried to understand Cas. I mean Cas is an angel, if he's partnering with the devil it means Cas mist be desperate to win of his losing battle. Just like Dean when he's desperate to get Sam soul back. But no, they just like
"hey I don't trust you now Cas, even when you help us 24/7 cause you're working with Crowley. We're the only one who can work with Crowley"...
Because he lied and it turns out to be the wrong thing anyway
@@Davidscomix it's wrong yes,
Spoiler ahead just a reminder:
but that's literally the only way to save the world. Raphael is trying to start the apocalypse again, now Castiel finds a way to defeat him. Get millions or maybe billions of souls in purgatory to defeat raphael. The only thing that makes it bad is Castiel trying to be God. This could potentially haven't happened if Dean at least tried to talk to him. I mean come on, Castiel keeps telling Dean, trust him or at least side for him for once like he did again and again. But No. He ditched him out, now Castiel is literally lost at that point cause like he sid he's doing it for Dean. And we know that Cas do share a more profound bond to Dean, Cas said it itself.
@@Davidscomix Spoiler again:
The show pointed that the only way to defeat Raphael is Castiel way. If Dean trusted Cas and not ditched him out, Cas could've killed Raphael and Crowley then put the souls back again to purgatory. Later He said he has no family, that's what he feels now after Dean...i keep going in circles but you get what I mean. Dean and Sam could've sided with him, but they choose not to. What ideas do they have to defeat Raphael? Non literally.
I think one of the Winchesters major flaws is there stubbornness/holding a grudge. Sometimes, it’s a whole cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Thats why I dont blame the boys Dad. Yellow eyes was going to try to recruit Sam anyway, no matter what. I think John knew Sam was still in danger so they had to be in the life to protect themselves. So Davion is right here, with or without Jess Yellow Eyes wanted him to be Lucifers vessel.
Davion was right there are Sam stans and Dean Stan and I’m team Dean 🔥
There are also Cas "stans" & "team free will" "stans.
@@ajhorniman8285 true
Why not love both of the brothers?
@@Davidscomix ppl have their favorites like Davion said. But just because u like one of the brothers more doesn’t mean u dislike or don’t care about the other one
Fop-coiffed was a dig at the brothers and they’re hair/looks. Fop is a man vain about their looks and coif is a way to talk about hair.
I feel u davion
The first character we ever saw in the first episode of Stranger Things was neither Eleven not Mine.
It was technically the scientist that ended up getting got by the demogorgon in the lift.
mean the first person we see that's a part of the story that didn't die was the of boys and Will was like the main one who started this search
Loveee your reactions to this show!❤️ Also, are you guys ever going to react to their gag reels/bloopers?
Lucifer is a fallen Angel and the “god” of some of the demons. Which is really sad because to Lucifer, demons are worse than humans. Maybe because they’re corrupted humans 🤷♀️
Balthazar: Or too much juice for you, in which case you explode. . .Just - just tell me that it's entirely risk-free"
He literally cares SO MUCH for Cas.
He's only in this war For Cas. He doesn't _care_ about humans, or Earth. I'm entirely certain he "betrayed" Cas to try & protect him from himself
Where is Divek what did I miss
Nate’s right, Sam was done with hunting which is why Dean was leaving but only returned when he heard Sam screaming about Jess dying. Jess was inter psyched to Sam by that best friend who was a demon; it was all planes to push Sam back with her death so Sam want going back at that point if she lived. Further down the line they would be out of school and working and building a family so he wouldn’t have left if he had kids.
He didn’t return because he heard screaming, the radio was flickering in a deleted scene so he turns back
Well if you watched the Deleted scene but if not then we only see Dean run back in the house after Sam screams so I guess it depends on rather or not they watched that scene
12:16-12:51 absolutely wrecks my heart! Cas does not deserve to be treated like this, he's died for Dean's cause TWICE! He was outcast from Heaven & hunted by his siblings all throughout s5 & _he_ trusted Dean enough to _rebel_ in s4 (and Dean FAILED him)
But he doesn't deserve the same?
Sam & Dean have not repaid Cas with even _half_ the loyalty he showes them /=
Cas let Sam out of the panic room just so he could go and kill Lilith and start the apocalypse, and later he blamed SAM AND DEAN for that, and never took any responsibility. He brought Sam back from hell without his soul, and didn't tell Dean, and didn't tell Sam what's wrong with him, and let souless Sam hunt for a year and kill innocent people.
@@janematthews3394 Cas has been an Angel of God since before humans crawled out of the seas. Interacting with humans is not a regular thing for Angels to do. Cas is an alien to human culture. When he let Sam out, Cas had been "corrected" by heaven, he was going down the same path as the Archangel Lucifer, he was falling. He didn't bring Sam back without his soul, on purpose, he was getting him out of the Lucifers cage in hell, which one would think might be better protected than where Dean was. When he was getting Dean out, he had all of heavens power behind him. When he got Sam's "vessel" out, he was doing so alone. I don't believe Cas knew at first that Sam's soul was still in the cage, he was to distracted by the need to stop the apocalypse, alone. "Free Will is a length of rope for god to strangle you with". JMHO 🖖
@@janematthews3394 Cas was _tortured_ into compliance 1ep prior to letting Sam out
He clearly didn't want to do that, or get Ana captured ("You shouldn't have come"), or keep Dean prisoner until Lucifer rose. And even _after_ being reconditioned, _knowing_ he would be killed for it, he found the courage to rebel anyway
And he didn't bring Sam back soulless on purpose. He didn't know Sam was soulless until he reached inside to check in ep7.
It isn't Cas' job to police Sam or Dean's behavior; he wasn't going to pause the Civil War to go remind Sam murder is bad
Jensen is the best actor so they can do more with him...my opinion
Yeah Lisa and Ben are extra screwed now with no memories. Just as useful for leverage over Dean, but with no knowledge of how to defend themselves or who to seek help with.
Hopefully if nothing comes for them again, they might live without the fear of the supernatural (if you'd rather have blissful ignorance), but what about that time when Dean was in their life? Is it just a year or so of their life that they have no memory of, or is he absent from the memories? Like, is Ben remembering something about being taken to some event, but without being able to recall who took him there? There's just this absence leading them to question their own memory?
I was never a fan of Lisa and Ben as characters, but I do feel sorry for them, not being given a choice between potentially dangerous ignorance, and terrifying knowledge.
I think the main characters are obviously the brothers but the rest are just as important and more of an ensemble cast.
At this point in the show, I can agree with you🖖
1:14 and so does Cas 😂
eleven is the main character in stranger things
Season 6 had some banging episodes, and although I liked it, I didn't love it. There were just too many plotlines for my taste. For the boys we had Sam's missing soul, the Lisa drama and the addition of Grandpa Samuel. On the monster front there were the Alphas, the Mother Of All and Crowley's search for Puratory. And finally the Angels with Raphiel wanting to restart the Apocalypse, Heaven's missing weapons and Castiel working with Crowley.
So Davion is trying to bring attention to Dean’s pain and Nathan’s over here like “all lives matter” 😒 Lol jk guys great review, almost at the end!
Davion being so upset with Dean he can barely get a word out.
Cass wasn't evil character. If I was Sam and Dean I would trust him with this plan. He basically was doing that for them so Raphael couldn't start apocalypse again. Working with Crowley? So what? Boys did this too earlier. So I don't get all this sh*t with evil Cass etc.
I am an old "Dean girl" but I love Sam & Cass too. It's not a "I love Dean only thing". It's just that i like Dean's character more. He's a bad boy & I like bad boys. Sam is tall, muscular & smart. I like that too. Cass is funny, strong, loyal. I like him too. Everyone has a favorite character, that doesn't mean we don't like the others. I learned to type on one of those old typewriters in school. I told you I was old. Did you notice Ben was reading Cthulhu Tales by H.P. Lovecraft when the demons broke in? Those books & that writer are real, by the way. "Jolly Green" is a reference to vegetable commercials in the old days. The "Jolly Green Giant" was the mascot of the Green Giant brand. My heart was broken when Dean drove away from the hospital. But I know it was the best thing for Lisa & Ben. I just want to hug him! The argument about Sam getting into the life was explained by Brady, his college bud. The demon possessed Brady & brought Sam & Jess together then killed her on Azazel's orders to get Sam back into the hunting life. There has been so many secrets between all of them. Love your reactions & discussions, as always.👵❤☮
U guys should react to shameless but u gotta really be into it cuz it's 11 seasons
Nate is right tho sams trigger and reason to go back to hunting was literally Jess death ,😉😆😝
What happened to davec, not sure if I spelled his name right?
From what I’ve seen I think his name is spelled Divek. I don’t know what happened to him, but I hope he’s okay.
Where Davek been?
stop attacking davion for his opinion on cas and dean relationship plz nethan y are u imposing ur bealive on davion? let him ship and love any charachter he wants
Let's goo
I find that cas does like sam, sam just doesn't like him, did you see how quick sam turned on cas
Are you kidding? Sam frickin idolized Cas when he first met him, but Cas pushed him to the wayside cuz he was the “boy with the demon blood”. It isn't really until s9 that Cas really looks at him as something more than Lucifer’s pet project or Dean’s little brother. Sam tries to be cordial, but like Cas said, he and Dean have a more profound bond. They don't truly become friends until s10 imo, before that they're like co-workers who ride the elevator together and work in the same office.
What is the video thing in the background I’d love to have one
Dean is so wrong this episode, damn. Not only by erasing Lisa and Ben's memories but how he treats Sam in these types of moments. He wants Sammy to be 100% honest with him, not letting him really have a fuckin minute yet flips his shit when it's his turn. just the way he snaps at Sam is just completely inappropriate, especially since what he's upset about was something that HE decided, and was not needed. Like how does that help them? The demons still know that DEAN cares about them, even if they don't. If anything it should have been a mutual mind wipe to ensure their safety.
Dean wouldn't back Sam up with the whole demon blood issue, so it's no surprisd he doesn't back Cas with this purgatory issue.
And he was right both times but people sh!t on him for not being being selfish
Yeah Sam loses focus as a character as the seasons go on
i love you guys please a reaction to shameless🙏
Damn, the bots are strong with this video.
I dunno if it’s the right thing to do because you’re taking away their agency. You’re basically saying that your mental sense of ease is more important than their choice.
Dean erasing their memories is SO egotistical!
He doesn't get to just _decide_ whats best for Lisa or Ben, without consulting them
It's _their_ memories, _their_ lives. They should have had a choice!
Even if it's "for their safety", you don't get to choose what's best for someone else
Dean _stole_ their memories for _his own_ peace of mind
😂😂👍
Y’all should react to the teen wolf movie trailer
YES PLEASE!!!!!!
Dean did the same to Sam when Sam was begging Dean to let him kill Lilith with Ruby. So technically if Dean is still treating Cass like a brother
please do a reaction to shameless
fr I think they'd enjoy it
Reac to flash
Nobody is saying for Davion to not to praise Dean, you can praise Dean while also giving Sam some recognition as well. Saying that "Dean deserves better than Cas right now" isn't just toxic its blatantly disregarding a whole ass other main character.
He doesn't _have_ to give Sam recognition though. You're entirely free to hate Sam, Dean, Bobby, Cas
Like, I dont understand what makes some fans think they get to _set the rules_ for how to enjoy a show?
Toxic would be harassing other fans, going out of your way to post hate in Sam/Dean/Cas-fav circles
But calling having a favorite character "toxic" is such a misuse of the word
Just because you don't like/agree with what someone is doing doesn't mean it's "toxic" behavior
@@audreyii6750 I never said having a favorite character is toxic. I said completely and utterly disregarding the literal other main character is toxic. And from what I understand Davion doesn't hate Sam's character, he just completely doesn't care about his character. And sure Davion has the entitlement to feel however he wants about whatever character, regardless if it's warranted or not, it's written nowhere that he can't not hate any character of a show. But he put his opinion online to his thousands of fans who watch JUST US's content, that gives the fans the right to judge their reactions to their content however they see fit. And considering I've watched this show regularly since season 1 and have been a long time fan, I'm going to judge his opinion as such. Completely disregarding the literal only other main character for no other reason than loving his brother makes no logical fuckin sense and is toxic.