Super 8 | #3 | Why Use Super 8
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2013
- Welcome to a three-part docu-vlog series on wonderful film format that is Super 8. Today I'll be discussing celluloid filmmaking as well as the popularity of Super 8 for filmmakers and film diarists alike.
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Thank you for fighting for celluloid in such a positive way. I push film use all the time and one thing that's so important to communicate about celluloid is that we're just in love with it.
***** Ha I have to fight the urge. Those nitrate prints look so cool.
A wise man once said that video was the worst thing to ever happen to home movies. His example; "Want to come to my place to watch my vacation movie?"
"How long is it?"
film answer; "three minutes"
"Yes please"
video answer; "two hours"
"No, thanks."
I am a fan of film too. But I cannot argue or deny ( like some I see ) that video has very good advantages..oh and BTW. who says a home movie has to be two hours long? Be it video or film longer is not necessarily better
Of course when super 8 was still plentiful, people would buy half a dozen rolls or more and simply shoot those while on their vacation, then perhaps play all those reels separate for friends or edit them together into a longer reel if they didn't want to go through changing reels every few minutes. That's what I miss.
No problem, it is arguable. Donne actually explained his input this afternoon. The Lens is as important as whats capturing it, when I get my new kit you'll see the capability of low budget digital.
After seeing your 3 part series, this has actually inspired me to take a interest in Super 8 filmography and to collect the different cameras that have been released over the years, i also collect 35mm and 120mm cameras and looking at these 8mm cameras has encouraged me to add even more to my collection and to keep the classics alive such as your Canon for years to come, awesome videos man, keep up the good work and good luck with your future projects.
I wish I could liked this video twice. One because of the information and the other because of the passion for what you like ! you love what you do and this is very cool to see!
You're so passionate about Super 8 that it makes me buy that camera and make a film today
I'm really interested in this medium. But watching your reaction to the film you'd just watched for the first time was one of the best things I've seen this year. Your reaction was so genuine, and kind of heartwarming. Thanks for this series dude, I'll definitely be picking one up.
i love the way people talk about things they really enjoy. its fucking lovely.
Just bought a working super 8 camera for $8 at the local flea market, so excited to use it!
This is so good Ray! Thank you for all the information!
Super 8 can be frustrating, too, especially seeing as the projection and telecine quality generally isn't as good as 16mm. Definitely good fun, though! :)
I really love this series Ray!
I love seeing your enthusiasm for film ray, and how happy you get :)
I totally agree with you. I also think that to best enjoy film it needs to be projected using a film projection system of some sort. Yes if it is scanned and made digital the results are still going to be far better, but keeping the format totally analog is amazing!
The "sample text" part really highlighted your loss for words.
Unintentional or not, I'm going to applaud you for that.
So right, about constraints, limitations either rhythm, dynamic, accentuation or direction, patterning and recycling are a few techniques in composing for musical instruments - constraints enrich creativity - in every pocket of the world - and let me add that problem solving is the purpose of the creative process, highlight the problems (ideate - converge, then diverge) and you are more clued in to create, develop and implement the solutions.
I recently finished my first short film on a camcorder, and I'm taking the leap to Super 8 for another short. Your series helped me figure out what I needed! Ended up picking up a Canon 518 SV. Can't wait to start using it and flex those creative muscles!
The fact that you're so excited made me excited :D
RAY!!! from the few seconds that you showed of the projections of your film, i can see it looked ace and you are a talented lil bean of joy
Killer video my dude you really helped me out, thanks
It's cool how passionate you are! I feel like I've learned something... passion is what teachers need to be good teachers!
Exhausting but amusing. Good work.
Subscribed after watching this video alone. You're truly passionate.
I love your enthusiasm and your Paris film is quite charming. Despite being into film photography for years before digital came along and having had my RUclips channel for a few years I've yet to shoot super 8, I have an old expi red roll which I intend to shoot and home develop in b&w negative in caffenol.
i HATE You forever for completely spending hours researching about super 8 cameras and really considering buying one!
This made me so happy. You infected me with your enthusiasm. It reminds me, a bit of myself. I am art and design student. I absolutely love film photography, which others hate. Somany things can go wrong, the essence of darkroom itself is amazing. In the end "Oh blinding light!" & serendipities are the best. I sometimes go out and take pictures in digital, secret being not viewing all the pictures, finding unexpected favourites later. Sorry...
great video series bruva
Yes and not "an image far superior to digital" if anything both create more color depth than our eyes can perceive. One thing I must admire is the vintage lenses, especially Voigtländer.
I seriously loved this though man. Wonderful video and wonderful knowledge on that sort of shiz.
Your awesome dude-thank you for loving film x
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This helped a ton! I did not watch this episode before I send my first movie to Dwayne's Photography in Parsons, Kansas (they've been developing Super 8 for decades). I'm curious to see who is the best "one stop" place for developing/digital transfer in the US..
Hi !
I'm David from Italy. I have a question for you.
Do you know where i can find and buy reversal super8 cartridges for my Canon Auto Zoom 518 Sv ?
Davide Marchese Amazon.com sells them but i found better prices on bhphotovideo.com. Now i'm just searching for a place who actually develops super8. AND THEN i have to find a place that digitizes it so i can edit my films. It's a bit of an expensive process.
GhostCruiser23 There is a place in the UK called Gauge Film that will do all of this (they sell reversal as well)
..congratulations for your job !...
Thank you much for this wonderful series sir, you most definitely have a new subscriber.
And your film was fantastic, beautiful scenery and a beautiful girl : )
I completely agree with the constraint helping creativity. One of my friends was considering trying her hand at filming something and asked me to "write her a script or a plot". LIKE. WHAT. ON WHAT. WHERE. HOW. Okay.
what are your opinions on 16 mm? I've heard because of the bigger film size its a bit better quality wise, but is it really noticeable? I've recently gotten my hands on a canon 1014 autozoom and am looking at one that shoots Max 8. also how is it im seeing these old super 8 films that often vary in saturation, exposure and grain? is this the different kinds of film stocks i'm referring to? (you can tell I'm new to this)
Hey just recently found your vids and just purchasedy first eumig 607d. I was wondering how you got your projection so large? Seeing from your video the distance from the wall to your projector is minimal.
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How do you feel about the new camera and "ecosystem" (doing development & digital conversion for creators) Kodak announced?
Hey, Ray I recently acquired an Ansco memo projector I think it's from the 50's I can't hardly find any information for it online. Just wondering if you knew anything about it.
"The constraints you get with working with physical celluloid really tests a filmmaker's decision-making ability." .......... Ever heard of *David Fincher*? He films digitally, and still manages to deliver absolute perfection to his films. It's not like any passionate filmmaker would not work hard to make a good movie, to the best of their abilities.
Loved this, totally agree about film only movies being more thought out. Like Breaking Bad for example,
what stock would you recoment if you want to get a sharp image? like what you had in this video at 3:50
or was that digital. I'm new to all of this
Okay, after watching this little series. Kinda wanna shoot some 8mm now.
I'm 2 steps ahead of you, i'm bidding on cameras haha. Damn Granddad for showing me this.....
Between wanting to shoot S8, shooting 120 film, wanting to shoot 4x5 film, wanting to shoot wet plates, my budget is gonna get a brutal beating. At least I'm forced to develop at home which helps keep costs down....ish.
Cool videos Ray.
Fanjan Combrink That's how you learn a good craft. I took a photography class in high school and really enjoyed what I did in it.
Hey Ray! I have a question. How are you playing your super 8 through a projector? I thought that you had to have reversal film?
or are you using negative that has been processed and has somehow gone to positive? I am very confused and would love to know how you are doing this :)
Krish
The footage starting at 1:48 is it vintage? Or was it modern but filmed with a 8mm camera?
tenho uma data de fabricação 1976 Cosina ODL-758 - Super8nho uma camera tem algum valor como relíquia ?
Sabes en donde puedo conseguir un rollo para super 8 minolta?
Yo soy de mexico
I know next to nothing about photography and film but i really want to get into it, especially this style; but i have no idea where to start lol
+Ray Roberts step 3 : buy a projector : )
what kind of camera do you use to film your videos?
were do you buy and process your films ? :D
Don't get me wrong there is a quality to super 8 I like.
However, that is not to say i think its a particularly great picture. That's not to say I necessarily think it's a clear and spectacular image. The average price I see for a 50 ft cartridge is about $29.00 that does not include processing. Plus more than likely you will have to pay postage to send it out. I know a lot of people will not want to hear this but when it comes to obtaining a clear image the crappiest of crappy cell phones will produce a clearer image than any super 8 i have seen.
Thank you.
Have you seen Super 8K resolution with Rec 2020 colorspace via a laser projector? It's so dreamy.
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Without my space helmet on I'm going to find that rather difficult to do ;-)
In this kind of debates the ones that goes to film says first "quality" cause is more authentic, but you have to digitalice film to take it to others. And then comes the side of the emotions and yadda yadda.
Digital is more practical, and film could be charming and "authentic" as it is. But digital is going foward, it wouldn't be exact reality, but it can copy it as much as it can even with more quality and aspects that can be modify. Sometimes computers will replace the human being besides having hearth or not.
Buy my first super 8 Camera Beaulieu 4008 ZMII ! Impatient to make some shoot!
Hello...te veo desde Chile, y sinceramente no encuentro información en relación a las diferentes cintas y cartuchos que existen para 8 mm, o Súper 8 mm... Con ello, quisiera pedirte si tienes el tiempo, la voluntad y la responsabilidad de subir información respecto a esta materia...Para que sirve cada una, cual es la diferencia entre ellas, etc. Por cierto, te escribí dado que tus vídeos son de carácter muy serios, y además; pareces tener interés y mucho conocimiento respecto a cámaras de rollo o cartucho. Thanks you
Even more recently, star wars 7 was shot on film ( i don't exactly know which one ) but you probably knew it.
+Xavier Amigues Hope you don't mind me chiming in: That would be the "classic" Panavision Panaflex 35mm anamorphic widescreen camera (easy to spot with its typical white film magazine) - the same ones Spielberg used in the mid '70s through early '80s. You can see this beauty in some of the "making of The Force Awakens" short featurettes.
i just got a super 8 25, and i have no clue how to use it, help anyone??
You should upload the super 8 footage :)
How much is a iMax film camera (70mm) because I want one bad
I have 2 super 8 but I want a 70 mm bad
70 is the screen format 65 is the closest you could get, o and btw cameras r like 20,000 dollars
In the 5 figures at least.
having the limitations of film force you to be more economical and careful only apply to beginning filmmakers. Professionals can treat digital the same as real film. their shots are locked and there is a real concise agenda as to what is going to be captured. Beginners may need this kind of limitation to force them to be very selective and considerate to the craft. Professionals operate intuitively with this discipline.
Chemicals on celluloid is like paints on a canvas you might say? Or is that too pretentious? (who cares I passed that line a long long time ago)
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I have a canon 814. Really want to film a movie on it, but pro8mm is so fucking expensive. I wish it was like 20 years ago again so i could process film more easily. Shot on super 8 before, but nothing too cool.
I want one. I want one so bad.
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getting film prints back is the same, film rules!
That's what labs are for.
True colour property can be replicated for digital viewing but not for the movie projector sadly. But now with 48 bit color I see no reason why that cant change, since the eye cannot perceive more than 24 bit. Technically still not absolute color, which can be captured from film but at a level of which there is no distinguishable difference. As for the rest I agree. The projection in class looked great, It's a shame it can only be shared here digitally!
3:58 Is that Lauren Mayberry?
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Digital recording is getting better and better. It is in its infancy if you think about it. It will only get better. It will eventually surpass analog as is happening in audio.
+MistaFussichannel You're wrong. Blasphemy!!! Especially in audio! I will say no more, because I could go on and on about digital vs. analog...The only reason people like digital so much is because it's easy, and people are lazy. If the quality of digital audio were good, I could understand, but it is not, and for that, music has suffered terribly. This modern generation gave up quality for convenience by switching to digital. Vinyl came back from extinction, and so will magnetic tape, and film!!!
i'm not talking about mp3 i'm talking about SACD (Super Audio CD) and DVD AUDIO. You now also have very high bitrate formats 192khz / 24 bit and higher.
+TheOldOakSyndicate I can't say more than that you are right. There's no digital sound beating the sound from my vinyl records, and i've more or less completely moved from digital to analog photography, developing my own film and making scans of it, the craftsmanship that goes into analog is wonderful.
"Digital recording is getting better and better"... SO IS FILM!
You're not wrong it really has already surpassed it in quality it's all about the aesthetics I just like Celluloid film personally
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is he saying Jittal images? digital is 2 syllables.. lol
lol typo... D'oh!
18fps makes 3mins45s. Interesting
Too many people these days seem to be stuck with the perception that if something is 'digital' it must be better. Definitely not true.
Interesting, but anything can be replicated digitally when presented digitally, 3D imaging sensors will soon take over all.
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pacific lol
i cannot stand how he says digital
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