Messmer is Marika's firstborn, brother to Miquella and Melania. Statue behind him in Boss room depicts a woman holding a baby, Messmer wields a swordspear. Nameless King is also a firstborn and wields a swordspear. Like Filianore and Lady Maria, Messmer is protecting a dark secret. A great war took place and Marika took over the old crucible leader depicted in painting stabbing him in the head with a rune provided by the Greater Will. More spaghetti throwing here.
After having watched the trailer and then watched this video, you connected some dots for me! First was the red flame Messmer uses. If its not some form of destined death, could it be something similar to the red grace calling Tarnished? They also mentioned Tarnished forced to fight each other no matter their allegiance. I’m guessing the land of shadows wasn’t the Valhalla many of us were thinking of. Part of me wonders if Messmer has anything to do with that The description of the trailer mentioned Miquella waiting at the foot of the “Erdtree” and Marika having already been to the land of shadow. If this is the case I think the first image we got of the dlc was what the area might have looked like way back then? There is so much speculation that could be drawn with these few connections. I don’t want to dive too deep when not much has been revealed 😅 That being said, we do need to hear your theories on the dlc at some point. I can’t wait to hear how this proves that Radagon is an ant 😂
I'm glad you enjoyed the ideas in the video! 😊 Yeah, Mesmmer already looks fascinating! On his red flame, I've not seen many people considering that it could be similar to Mogh's Bloodflame? If so, then Messmer could be calling to the Formless Mother? "The mother of truth desires a wound" after all, so she might have "favoured" us after defeating her champion Mogh in the Lands Between? If Messmer serves the same Mother, then the flames he uses might be a more advanced form of Bloodflame! That said, he has some very obvious draconic imagery going on, yellow pupils with slits, dragon wings etc.! I've seen people comparing the symbol in the centre left of Messmer's Sigil (on the Collector's Edition box art, and on the back of his red cloak) to the Dragon Communion Seal! It's slightly different, but could mean that dragon hearts are the source of his power in some way? He also has some Godskin energy going on! 😅😂 So I'll have to do a lot of digging to work out what's what! I'm fascinated by Marika having visited the Shadow Lands before, and using the perspective of this video, that could have been when she separated it off by creating her Basin Rune? I've not seen the line about Miquella "waiting at the foot of the Erdtree” though, could you share where that was from? And to me, as the Shadow Lands look WAY different to the original poster image, I'm not sure what to make of it anymore! Is it just concept art? Is it from a long time ago, before all the kingdoms and castles were built around it? Is it from before the ant monarchy was established? 🤣🤣🤣
@@JarHed69 Ohhh I never thought about the godskins and their connection to the dlc. Seeing the snake/dragon imagery in Messmer (and the blasphemy he radiates) makes me think we might get more insight as to why the nobles have tails and what their goal in the land’s between was? Also I misremembered the line about Miquella being at the foot of the Erdtree. It said he was in the Land of Shadows (this is in the description of the bamco’s european trailer but i think its on the site as well) Cheers!
I mean, I spent nearly 3 weeks filming and editing for this! 🤣 I just had to shove it over the finish line, pulled an all-nighter just to speed it out in time (that's why the outro is primarily simple shots 😅😅) But thank you man, as I've been working on more videos, I definitely think my technique is getting more efficient! I used to need at least 3 passes to correct any mistakes, but for this one there were only a handful of minor errors to correct 😊 I am bummed about not getting the subtitles in though...
Saint Trina is Messmers mother... Somehow. He's recognised as "child of Merika" only legally like Godrick who we know is a distant descent. Griffith in berserk is bisexual and really wants Guts in some way, he can't accept his own feelings. Miqella is a different character but he might harbor the same feeling of wanting to be a bottom. And same as his mother he can be opposite gender at will. I also don't believe land of shadow is in different world, no dream area, evergaol, ordina or any other realm is not different world but different layer of the main world, trapped between life and death, concourses and sleep or whatever, that's why i believe that when we touch hand of miqella we don't get moved to other world buy secret new part of existing world is unveiled, like cutscene after radahn fight.
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Anyone who doesn't subscribe after that opening is truly maidenless. But on a more serious note, there are lots of great ideas to chew over here! The notion that spirits ascend upward definitely makes a lot of sense (and I really like the practicality angle for explaining why there are so many spirits in the Mountaintops of the Giants). Although Miyazaki has now said that the expansion will take place in a land that's been physically separated from the Lands Between, I do wonder if the Land of Shadow is going to be closer to the spirit world or still have some way to access it. It would be such a major lost opportunity if that doesn't happen! I completely forget that's how Gurranq's quest ends! Just as fascinating, if you defeat Gurranq at the Bestial Sanctuary, he disappears into a shadowy black mist, which makes me wonder/dread/cower before the Black Blade if we're going to encounter him in the expansion. Everyone's joking we're going to fight a Godskin Trio in SOTE, but what if it's a Beast Clergymen Duo? 😅 (And thanks for the shout-out!)
i'm here after the DLC trailer. Your predictions were sooooo accurate. It was such a fun trying to guess what's going to be in DLC with you. Can't wait for your next video. BTW what was your disertation about?
I rushed to put it out when I saw the announcement yesterday, so can I ask, how was this one after watching after the SotE trailer first? I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the stuff in it 🤣 But I'm really glad you liked it! I'm not sure what to do next, maybe on the trailer? And my dissertation was in Architecture, thanks for asking! It was on how the Space Race affected the design of the Pompidou Centre in Paris 😁
@@JarHed69 i lost nothing watching the trailer first. I love Tarnished Archeologist and yours frameworks of interpreting the game, and this video is exactly that -- uncovering the language of symbols of the game. As of the trailer -- it's mostly focused on showing for 3 minutes straight "we've got more ER content!". There are some lore gleams: the use of late Roman empire style + this fancy spiral columns from Vatican (as you can see i'm not proficient in architecture history xd) to indicate that there are new possible kingdoms/dynasties. Reskined Ulcerated Tree Spirit as a lion (probably Godwyn's Shadowbound Beast since he uses golden lightning) They are dots. Your videos are lines.
@@Asmonix that's really kind of you to say! I felt the beginning was a bit of a jumble, thought the idea wouldn't be clear! That means the world man, thank you! And yeah, the trailer seemed very nutty 🤣 so much to unpack! They really crammed a lot in! My first instinct is that all these kingdoms and castles are wrapped together, like a mild Kiln of the First Flame? And I still feel the Spirit World could be the location? Maybe directly above the Erdtree? (bit wild that though 😅)
Miquella being moved by Mohg while in the spirit realm and not being able to find his way back reminds me of the time Zuko took Aang's body when he was in the spirit world in the North Pole. Also I think both Maleniq AND Miquella are avatars (wink) for the god of Rot. The Order of Rot as Gowry mentions is that of death and rebirth and we see this in the swamp of Aeonia with cleanrot knights being reborn out of the swamp and of course Millicent and her sisters and the pests which seem to be an amalgamation of other bodies with their many hands. As twins they form the two spirals of a double helix: death (Malenia) and rebirth (Miquella).
I totally forgot about that Avatar episode, I should have used the phrase Astral Projection in the video! It would have made that point way clearer... 😅 And that's a really interesting point about Gowry's dialogue! I've been fascinated with how Milicent and her sisters seem to be clones/daughters of Malenia's, some sort of life born from the Rot... it seems out of place, and there's still so many questions about it. So yeah, maybe the twins do represent each side of the helix! If life is being born from Malenia's (death) side though, do you think there's some sort of death thing going on with Miquella (life)? Like, maybe he's youthful because he accidently steals life way from those around him? That might explain all the cocoons in the Haligtree! Bit of a wild idea 😂 but I've never thought of it like that before. What could the death aspect of Miquella's half be?
@JaRhEd69 Hmmmm! Hmmm...! If I had to guess I'd say that his death aspect is his association with sleep. In ancient teachings sleep and death are very closely intertwined. Even in more modern mythology this holds true like in Greek myth where Hypnos the god of sleep is the twin half brother of Thanatos (god of death) and son of goddess of night Nyx (Nox? Marika is closely associated with the Nox people too.) There's not enoigh studies in to dreams and sleep in our world imo... We've seen Malenia steal HP but I haven't figured out what that's about yet! Always felt the cocoon was more of a transformation thing. There are so many moth and butterfly motifs with Malenia and Miquella. Perhaps Miquella sought to cure his youth curse via this transformation... Your insight has given me lots to think about. I hope you keep producing this amazing work, even streams where we can just speculate and exchange ideas!
@@steamedhamlet I'd love to try a few streams! My set-up my be a little dated to handle it though 😅 And I've honestly forgotten about Nalenia's lifeseal, which might very indicating something about her lore! As for Miquella's cocoon, I tried to show it in the footage, but it's actually in the base of the Haligtree’s withered half, and it seems to have been also stunted above where his wooden visage has grown! It's almost as though Miquella intended for the growth around his cocoon to continue upwards and complete the second half of the Haligtree! So, of he's really gone to the Spirit (Shadow) World, maybe he was drawing power from there, collecting the missing essence needed, and flowing it back into the Lands Between through his body? This obviously would have been halted when Mogh kidnapped him, but yeah, does that make sense?
ECLIPSE!!! Your upside-down Elden Ring made so much sense to me. If you brought the two Elden Rings together it would be more of a mandala pattern. Also, it would encase the whole symbol in a circle which resembles the ECLIPSE! Miquella might be plotting to merge the worlds of life and death to restore Godwyn.
Absolutely! Some way of reintegrating life and death might solve both halves of Godwyn being separated between the two worlds, and maybe even stop things stagnating in his Haligtree, or even the whole of the Lands Between! I'm really confident the Spirit World I've been talking about is the Shadow Lands, what do you think?
For sure! I've been really excited about it. I can't help but speculate on the story, but I'm sure I'm gonna like it no matter what. And I bet it's going to surprise me. They always do. @@JarHed69
Thans for taking the time to say so, that's really kind of you to say! 😊😊😊 I was worried the stance in this one was a bit TOO literal, especially with talking about the straight line in the Contemporary Elden Ring... But as you can probably tell, The Tarnished Archaeologist is a HUGE inspiration for me!!! So I'm glad if the ideas in the video came across as grounded, and not just as a rant! 🤣
Great stuff. One thing I want to suggest because I'm not sure you did, is that spirit and souls are not the same thing. You kept saying the 'spirit world' like it's the only place for the DLC. Souls are traditionally tied to earth and separate from the body only at death. It makes sense souls travel down after death. Spirit is the animating force that gives bodies movement, called the breath of god. It makes sense this spirit travels up after death. My point is I don't think we can say it's one or the other, both can be true.
Sleep and death have been closely intertwined with each other in old mystery school teachings and in alchemy. From Bloodborne: Great volumes of water serve as a bullwark guarding sleep Loooooved this entry in your content. I wonder what you make of Miquella's character. Some item descriptions like for the bewitching branch depict a bit of a manipulative entity. We know the nox use them to make the ants servile to them. And devotees of Miquella are ready to sacrifice themselves to be his guiding light back to the physical realm (the exploding soldiers). I'm not saying characters in the Lands Between have to be ALL good or ALL bad, but is he as benevolent as it appears on the surface? Is he going rogue or merely following his own dark empyrean path?
@exurb1a 's video on "Sleep is Just Death Being Shy" has always suck with me! That's kind of you to say, I'm glad you enjoyed it! And well, like most people I think, Miquella always seemed pretty perfect to me - wise, kind, and talented! But as you say, once people brought up the hints towards him being more manipulative/controlling, I've been looking at him WAY differently! The content around Miquella being based on Griffith might have been influencing me as well through! I've only just started reading Berserk, but as Griffith is perfect and inspires devotion, yet seems willing to sacrifice anything for his dream, Miquella now also seems a bit suspect to me too 😅 Can I ask, what did you think of Miquella's mentions within the SotE Trailer?
@JaRhEd69 Whoa! Hold the summoning bell, what?! There's a trailer?? Be right back! Also saw this vid by "Jack is not a mimic" iirc, titled Miquella is not Griffith". I'm still on the fence about ole Micky. The vid may be worth giving a watch but be wary of spoilers!
The story of Elden Ring is woven so intricately detailed and hidden, it is difficult to follow at times and forces you to read everything from the tablets, item and weapon descriptions to the dialogue of the NPCs to form the complete story, it's no wonder why so many people are interested in this epic tale being told. I wish there was a novelization of this story told in a series.
I believe there will be some kind of extended story related cutscene involving the parting of water (sea to the south) to reveal the "Shadow" realm location. If you notice the first scene where the tarnished first enter area on top of Torrent, you notice wet ground that Torrent runs on. Also, many camera angles appear to give the feeling of looking "upwards" at Erdtree. The many island type land structures also appear to be shaped as if underwater previous and surroundings seem like lands are just in a bowl type area.
I never thought of it like that! From the establishing shot in the trailer, when Torrent halts just before the cliff, there definitely seems to be a depression in the centre of the Shadow Lands, with rising Plateau's towards its edges! I'm not saying the whole area will "rise" out of the central creator within the Lands Between, but the bowl-like-shape of the map, as you say, really could be showing us were in this area! I am puzzled by the shot with the Draconic Bear Roar, as it shows a clear view over an unobstructed ocean... so where would this fit do you think? And would you say the Shadow Erdtree in the trailer is occupying almost the same space as the Erdtree in the Lands Between?
@@JarHed69 After watching Crunchy's 3-hour Feb 23rd video, he seems to agree, knowing the DLC is set in the present day, that the entire area in the middle of the map (where cloud is) would be where Shadow Realm is geographically. I would say it would possibly stop at the dam like line that goes from Caelid to Mountaintop of Giants (I believe), so possibly the "Draconic Bear is looking out towards where Faraam Mazula is.
@@JarHed69Quelag also predicted a while back, that area to be of significance due to octagonal locations of the "Divine Towers" zero in, right onto the cloud on the map.
Well, Rogier does say, "Fascinating, isn't it? That the Golden Order was pliable enough to absorb practices that contradicted itself in the past." Here he's referencing how the Carian's and the Academy were brought into the Golden Order’s fold through the marriage of Rennala and Radagon, and they also adopted Dragon Worship too. So, I think it's these other cultures that the Golden Order became "alloyed" with. Using this train of thought, if the Golden Order was more "pure" when it first began, maybe Miquella wanted his Order to return to this "pure" form. AND, as I've suggested in the video, the beginning of the Golden Order was BEFORE Destined Death was removed, so maybe Miquella's Unalloyed Gold would have aimed to return to life before rebirth through the Erdtree? Does that make sense?
after the DLC trailer: I'm kinda surprised that the DLC entrance will be after the Mogh fight since it's a "secret area". This is a problem from a game design standpoint since people who missed this place will also miss the DLC they paid extra for. But this is the Souls community. I guess everybody know that you play this game with some wiki or guide opened.
I swear, the next edition should come with a copy of SmoughTown's VaatiVidya's, etc's videos 🤣 ER was the first FromSoft game I experienced firsthand, and I couldn't wait for their videos to tell me what was happening! Even though I guessed it, I'm still surprised it'll be starting with Miquella's corpse... although it seems I guessed for the wrong reasons! As for it being in a secret area, I think it speaks of an aspect of Japanese game design which I particularly love, being the lack of hand-holding, making things purposefully challenging, so it becomes a genuinely rewarding experience overcome it. Hard to find locations, obscure questlines, tough gameplay, or even percentage-drop-rates without any "guaranteed drops" - it all reminds me of playing games as a young kid, when even easy games were a challenge 😅 This could just be me though, what do you reckon?
TBH I'd have trouble calling it a secret, since the first guy you talk to in the game has a questline that leads you there right after the first boss, but I can certainly see how it'd be hard to find the "expected" way.
@@Recoil1808 I legit got to Mogh's area through Varré's quest, couldn't find where to go, farmed some Frogs, and then forgot about it until I found the portal in the Snowfields 😅 So I'd say either way is pretty hard 😂
@@JarHed69 Fair 'nuff. First time I exited the Stranded Graveyard I completely missed Varre and the site of grace inches from my face and just went off towards the first things I saw. Which led to me thinking I discovered something new when I found it only to immediately shift towards disappointment at my apparently blindness.
So, Radagon and Marika were a couple before the Lands Between, he may have stayed behind in the shadowlands for a time until Marika couldn't defeat Renalla, then called on him to, assist.
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Great video, I disagree slightly that the Elden ring has a duplicate below where the rune arc currently sits. I think the rune arc now sits in place of the rune of death, in fact if you look at the ancient Elden Ring in Farum Azula, you can see that the rune of death features at the very bottom, right where you'd expect it, pointing down below all the other roots into the spirit world. The Helphen Steeple is a representation of the rune of death. Its design matches almost perfectly bar a few differences that I also have some idea of explaining if you're interested. The Shadow Tree (which I believe to be the Black Steeple of Helphen and the tap root of the great tree/Erdtree/Crucible) therefore is a manifestation of death, in the same way that the Erdtree is a manifestation of life. When Marika removed the rune of death, she physically disconnected the Shadow Lands, preventing destined death and thus the blessings of the Elden Ring (life) remained pooled within the rune arc instead, allowing for immortality/rebirth without transcending the spirit world. Deathroot now physically reaches down into the shadow lands underneath the lands between, partially reconnecting the spirit world. This is likely what we see strangling the Shadow tree in the DLC. But with the Elden ring shattered and perhaps importantly the rune of the Unborn being removed, souls traversing these roots cannot be birthed anew and are instead brought into the empty vessels of buried corpses across the lands between.
Alright alright alright. I might have been a little harsh on your previous theories about Radagon and Marika, but this theory here is 🔥. A really great based take. Even if it doesn't end up being true, I prefer your story, to whatever George has cooked up. Great work.
I'm glad you've enjoyed this one! 😂 My videos on the Usurping Theory are more speculative, but I hope you found this one has a lot more evidence to support it?
@@godly_potatoe69xd19 in one of the interviews Miyazaki did about the "Shadow of the Erdtree", he said that its story is part of the original mythos that GRRM wrote, which they separated off to tell by itself in the DLC. So GRRM didn't write anything new for it, but it's still based on the writing he did for FromSoft in the first place
@@JarHed69 ye, ik, but what I’m saying is even if it’s from the mythos, all he did was make basic characters and stories, he has nothing to do with the actual plot of the game or the dlc, and they changed a lot of aspects of characters to make them more twisted.
I wonder if when only the soul dies or the soul leaves the body whether another entity can take over the body. Considering the new trailer - that Messmer the impaler guy, the tall lanky guy with the red snake, kind of looks like the corpse in the cocoon that Mohg lies with. I wonder if that Messmer fella is trying to over take Miquella's corpse since an empyrean body would be quite the prize and a nice way to return to the world of the living after perhaps losing your own body
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@@JarHed69 Interesting point indeed! His flames do resemble the bloodflame, perhaps Mohg is being tricked without knowing that he's being tricked. Messmer also has a lot of sin iconography, the discolored draconic eye, the snakes and of course his fire. I mentioned on another video that I think Messmer may have burnt the Erdtree the first time, before us. That'd explain all the ash in Leyndell and him maybe being banished from the lands between. Someone else on another video also pointed out the impaled giant corpses in the mountaintops... Messmer the IMPALER... Perhaps Messmer has some close connection to the formless mother, and maybe even the bloodstar due to his connections to sin.
Now that everyone is freaking out over the trailer (absolutely mindblowing btw) I just wanna let out a thought that it is still possible we enter the DLC from different places and not just Moghs arena. They can be splitting up the DLC in interloping sections if they want to spread it out more and giving us multiple entry points. After waching this vid I definitely would want to play with all of those entry point theories if I were a From developer ;) Super nice vid man! You did it again 😍I love your theories and how you're able to comprehend all of that, and on top of that make sense of it ;) Can't wait to see how much will be featured in the DLC but at least the wait is over soon! Regarding your format, I personally love your longer videos as long as they're not too all over the place (which I think you balance extremely well so far!) - a few chapter markers in the video might help those that seek specific information might help, but I happily watch them in one go, and then on repeat a few times as well haha
I had hoped the trailer would show us a lot of new stuff, and they went absolutly mad with it! It was nutty! And I agree! I've been reading the interview Miyazaki did about the DLC, as well as the promotion on their website - and they say that "Players can seamlessly travel back and forth between its vast maps..." So yeah, while this might be referring to traveling between the Shadow Lands and the Lands Between, there's a chance the DLC will be several separated zones? If so, there might be separate entrances for each of them? Or, even if the Shadow Lands are one BIG map, there still could be ways we'd need to access other parts of it through different portals in the overworld? I think this would be REALLY cool, especially if they each connect to a different storyline in the base game! And thank you, I'm really glad you've enjoyed this one! I immediately added chapters to the video after I read this, which I completely overlooked 😅 Thanks for the feedback! It's had balancing life with making the longer videos, which is why they take so long 😖 But I'll keep plugging away at making more, especially if my Radagon script will still be viable if there's no new information about him in the DLC 😂 Anre there any other ideas, or areas of the lore, that you think I should consider making a video about? Most areas are well documented by other content creators, and I'm not sure it would be interesting for me to just rehash the same information?
@@JarHed69 The topics that interest me the most after these years of waiting are mostly related to the origin/identity of the Gloam Eyed Queen and the connection between Miquella and St.Trina. I think most other topics and theories are pretty well-founded but I still haven't gotten my own theory about those. Most of all I believe the Gloam Eyed Queen to be pivotal to the story as a form of alter ego to Marika, created to oppose the Golden Order before she might have been take hostage by Radagon. But I don't have other clear evidence or reasons to believe that besides a hunch, the duality between them, and a slight tweak to the timeline from one of your videos that may explain her disappearance after conflict with Maliketh - but that tweak screws up a lot of other stuff, so I'm not sure at all about anything really haha xD Let's wait till after the DLC to see if that merits anything - but I can't wait to see how the Imposter theory holds up - it's still my favorite explanation
Lol I don't know why but I always feel compelled to correct this mistake that EVERYONE makes. Gwyn was not "desperate to maintain his age of fire". The first age of fire ended and an age of dark began, then, after seeing what the age of dark was (I believe it was awful because of the furtive pygmy not shouldering the burden of Lordship), he sacrificed his own life to restore the First Flame. And let's not forget that Izalith had a similar reaction.
Yeah you're right,Gwyn and Marika's stories are very different 😅 I mean, even though his world does stagnate, if Gwyn didn't keep the Fire going... the entire world would go into darkness, which would be a rough time! I guess I was more commentating on the futility/self fulfilling prophecy aspect of it - holding on too tightly, ultimately, won't work. Does that make sense?
@@JarHed69 Absolutely. And I loved the video. I see a definite resemblance to the old gods of Lordran in the demi gods of the Lands Between, but I think Miyazaki pictured the Lords as more altruistic, except for maybe the Furtive Pygmy (maybe), where in Elden Ring the deities are more confused and wayward.
Honestly, I'm only building on ideas that others have been working towards! Credit really has to go to @Ziostorm and @CrunchyVideos for discussing these concepts already!
You know, i have always wondered due to the past god of rot being a thing and the crucible root imagery, are we perhaps looking at mycelial threads? we know the mushroom lords where around in the primevil time of Elden ring and that roots and mycelium are deeply connected in the real world by symbiotic growth relations.
This idea didn't even cross my mind!!! Maybe the Rot god that was sealed away? I guess I just took them for roots, but yeah! Daaaym, so some sort of primordial parasite??!!
the roots/crucible kind of reminds me of the aeonia pattern the petals flowing outwards like a lotus, if i recall lotus flowers eat decay and stagnation in Eastern philosophy and grow in muddy water in the real world. The goddess of rot we fight in the game also has flowers and rot as her motif.
Well, we see a clear ocean in the trailer shot of the Draconic Brar Roar, and we don't see the Giants Forge/Mountaintops anywhere either - so if it is in the maps centre crator, we'd have to warp to some other plane of existence, right?
@@JarHed69 miyazaki stated in an interview that the shadow lands isn’t in an alternate place or time but is “hidden” from the outside world (that’s what the cloth veils around the tree in the trailer represent) so I’m just taking an educated guess and the big crater in the middle of the map seems to be the best spot for a “hidden” land. Biggest thing that makes me believe the dlc will take place in the maps centre is because of you go to either farum azule or malenias tower you can see a cliff where the crater starts, almost like something was mean to be there but was removed or hidden.
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Another really insightful video! But... HOW DARE you adapt and improve our incantations timeline??!!!!!
Well I could just steal and use yours!!! 😅
Thanks for being such an inspiration TA 😊
They gotta edit the trailer now you've guessed it all
I've already made a bingo card 😂
Messmer is Marika's firstborn, brother to Miquella and Melania. Statue behind him in Boss room depicts a woman holding a baby, Messmer wields a swordspear. Nameless King is also a firstborn and wields a swordspear. Like Filianore and Lady Maria, Messmer is protecting a dark secret. A great war took place and Marika took over the old crucible leader depicted in painting stabbing him in the head with a rune provided by the Greater Will. More spaghetti throwing here.
After having watched the trailer and then watched this video, you connected some dots for me! First was the red flame Messmer uses. If its not some form of destined death, could it be something similar to the red grace calling Tarnished?
They also mentioned Tarnished forced to fight each other no matter their allegiance. I’m guessing the land of shadows wasn’t the Valhalla many of us were thinking of. Part of me wonders if Messmer has anything to do with that
The description of the trailer mentioned Miquella waiting at the foot of the “Erdtree” and Marika having already been to the land of shadow. If this is the case I think the first image we got of the dlc was what the area might have looked like way back then?
There is so much speculation that could be drawn with these few connections. I don’t want to dive too deep when not much has been revealed 😅
That being said, we do need to hear your theories on the dlc at some point. I can’t wait to hear how this proves that Radagon is an ant 😂
I'm glad you enjoyed the ideas in the video! 😊
Yeah, Mesmmer already looks fascinating! On his red flame, I've not seen many people considering that it could be similar to Mogh's Bloodflame? If so, then Messmer could be calling to the Formless Mother?
"The mother of truth desires a wound" after all, so she might have "favoured" us after defeating her champion Mogh in the Lands Between? If Messmer serves the same Mother, then the flames he uses might be a more advanced form of Bloodflame!
That said, he has some very obvious draconic imagery going on, yellow pupils with slits, dragon wings etc.!
I've seen people comparing the symbol in the centre left of Messmer's Sigil (on the Collector's Edition box art, and on the back of his red cloak) to the Dragon Communion Seal! It's slightly different, but could mean that dragon hearts are the source of his power in some way?
He also has some Godskin energy going on! 😅😂 So I'll have to do a lot of digging to work out what's what!
I'm fascinated by Marika having visited the Shadow Lands before, and using the perspective of this video, that could have been when she separated it off by creating her Basin Rune?
I've not seen the line about Miquella "waiting at the foot of the Erdtree” though, could you share where that was from?
And to me, as the Shadow Lands look WAY different to the original poster image, I'm not sure what to make of it anymore! Is it just concept art? Is it from a long time ago, before all the kingdoms and castles were built around it?
Is it from before the ant monarchy was established? 🤣🤣🤣
@@JarHed69 Ohhh I never thought about the godskins and their connection to the dlc. Seeing the snake/dragon imagery in Messmer (and the blasphemy he radiates) makes me think we might get more insight as to why the nobles have tails and what their goal in the land’s between was?
Also I misremembered the line about Miquella being at the foot of the Erdtree. It said he was in the Land of Shadows (this is in the description of the bamco’s european trailer but i think its on the site as well) Cheers!
howd you edit this shit so fast its so awesome man
I mean, I spent nearly 3 weeks filming and editing for this! 🤣 I just had to shove it over the finish line, pulled an all-nighter just to speed it out in time (that's why the outro is primarily simple shots 😅😅)
But thank you man, as I've been working on more videos, I definitely think my technique is getting more efficient! I used to need at least 3 passes to correct any mistakes, but for this one there were only a handful of minor errors to correct 😊
I am bummed about not getting the subtitles in though...
Saint Trina is Messmers mother... Somehow. He's recognised as "child of Merika" only legally like Godrick who we know is a distant descent.
Griffith in berserk is bisexual and really wants Guts in some way, he can't accept his own feelings.
Miqella is a different character but he might harbor the same feeling of wanting to be a bottom. And same as his mother he can be opposite gender at will.
I also don't believe land of shadow is in different world, no dream area, evergaol, ordina or any other realm is not different world but different layer of the main world, trapped between life and death, concourses and sleep or whatever, that's why i believe that when we touch hand of miqella we don't get moved to other world buy secret new part of existing world is unveiled, like cutscene after radahn fight.
I have a feeling you're about to see an influx of viewers and subscribers 😅 keep it up
That's really sweet Mr Satan, thank you! 😊
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Anyone who doesn't subscribe after that opening is truly maidenless.
But on a more serious note, there are lots of great ideas to chew over here! The notion that spirits ascend upward definitely makes a lot of sense (and I really like the practicality angle for explaining why there are so many spirits in the Mountaintops of the Giants). Although Miyazaki has now said that the expansion will take place in a land that's been physically separated from the Lands Between, I do wonder if the Land of Shadow is going to be closer to the spirit world or still have some way to access it. It would be such a major lost opportunity if that doesn't happen!
I completely forget that's how Gurranq's quest ends! Just as fascinating, if you defeat Gurranq at the Bestial Sanctuary, he disappears into a shadowy black mist, which makes me wonder/dread/cower before the Black Blade if we're going to encounter him in the expansion. Everyone's joking we're going to fight a Godskin Trio in SOTE, but what if it's a Beast Clergymen Duo? 😅
(And thanks for the shout-out!)
i'm here after the DLC trailer. Your predictions were sooooo accurate. It was such a fun trying to guess what's going to be in DLC with you.
Can't wait for your next video.
BTW what was your disertation about?
I rushed to put it out when I saw the announcement yesterday, so can I ask, how was this one after watching after the SotE trailer first? I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the stuff in it 🤣
But I'm really glad you liked it! I'm not sure what to do next, maybe on the trailer?
And my dissertation was in Architecture, thanks for asking! It was on how the Space Race affected the design of the Pompidou Centre in Paris 😁
@@JarHed69 i lost nothing watching the trailer first. I love Tarnished Archeologist and yours frameworks of interpreting the game, and this video is exactly that -- uncovering the language of symbols of the game.
As of the trailer -- it's mostly focused on showing for 3 minutes straight "we've got more ER content!".
There are some lore gleams: the use of late Roman empire style + this fancy spiral columns from Vatican (as you can see i'm not proficient in architecture history xd) to indicate that there are new possible kingdoms/dynasties.
Reskined Ulcerated Tree Spirit as a lion (probably Godwyn's Shadowbound Beast since he uses golden lightning)
They are dots. Your videos are lines.
@@Asmonix that's really kind of you to say! I felt the beginning was a bit of a jumble, thought the idea wouldn't be clear!
That means the world man, thank you!
And yeah, the trailer seemed very nutty 🤣 so much to unpack! They really crammed a lot in!
My first instinct is that all these kingdoms and castles are wrapped together, like a mild Kiln of the First Flame? And I still feel the Spirit World could be the location? Maybe directly above the Erdtree? (bit wild that though 😅)
Miquella being moved by Mohg while in the spirit realm and not being able to find his way back reminds me of the time Zuko took Aang's body when he was in the spirit world in the North Pole.
Also I think both Maleniq AND Miquella are avatars (wink) for the god of Rot. The Order of Rot as Gowry mentions is that of death and rebirth and we see this in the swamp of Aeonia with cleanrot knights being reborn out of the swamp and of course Millicent and her sisters and the pests which seem to be an amalgamation of other bodies with their many hands. As twins they form the two spirals of a double helix: death (Malenia) and rebirth (Miquella).
I totally forgot about that Avatar episode, I should have used the phrase Astral Projection in the video! It would have made that point way clearer... 😅
And that's a really interesting point about Gowry's dialogue! I've been fascinated with how Milicent and her sisters seem to be clones/daughters of Malenia's, some sort of life born from the Rot... it seems out of place, and there's still so many questions about it. So yeah, maybe the twins do represent each side of the helix!
If life is being born from Malenia's (death) side though, do you think there's some sort of death thing going on with Miquella (life)?
Like, maybe he's youthful because he accidently steals life way from those around him? That might explain all the cocoons in the Haligtree!
Bit of a wild idea 😂 but I've never thought of it like that before. What could the death aspect of Miquella's half be?
@JaRhEd69 Hmmmm! Hmmm...! If I had to guess I'd say that his death aspect is his association with sleep. In ancient teachings sleep and death are very closely intertwined. Even in more modern mythology this holds true like in Greek myth where Hypnos the god of sleep is the twin half brother of Thanatos (god of death) and son of goddess of night Nyx (Nox? Marika is closely associated with the Nox people too.) There's not enoigh studies in to dreams and sleep in our world imo...
We've seen Malenia steal HP but I haven't figured out what that's about yet! Always felt the cocoon was more of a transformation thing. There are so many moth and butterfly motifs with Malenia and Miquella. Perhaps Miquella sought to cure his youth curse via this transformation...
Your insight has given me lots to think about. I hope you keep producing this amazing work, even streams where we can just speculate and exchange ideas!
@@steamedhamlet I'd love to try a few streams! My set-up my be a little dated to handle it though 😅
And I've honestly forgotten about Nalenia's lifeseal, which might very indicating something about her lore!
As for Miquella's cocoon, I tried to show it in the footage, but it's actually in the base of the Haligtree’s withered half, and it seems to have been also stunted above where his wooden visage has grown! It's almost as though Miquella intended for the growth around his cocoon to continue upwards and complete the second half of the Haligtree!
So, of he's really gone to the Spirit (Shadow) World, maybe he was drawing power from there, collecting the missing essence needed, and flowing it back into the Lands Between through his body?
This obviously would have been halted when Mogh kidnapped him, but yeah, does that make sense?
ECLIPSE!!! Your upside-down Elden Ring made so much sense to me. If you brought the two Elden Rings together it would be more of a mandala pattern. Also, it would encase the whole symbol in a circle which resembles the ECLIPSE! Miquella might be plotting to merge the worlds of life and death to restore Godwyn.
Absolutely! Some way of reintegrating life and death might solve both halves of Godwyn being separated between the two worlds, and maybe even stop things stagnating in his Haligtree, or even the whole of the Lands Between!
I'm really confident the Spirit World I've been talking about is the Shadow Lands, what do you think?
For sure! I've been really excited about it. I can't help but speculate on the story, but I'm sure I'm gonna like it no matter what. And I bet it's going to surprise me. They always do. @@JarHed69
Stumbled upon your channel. Incredible insight, I love that you found a grounded mechanical explanation of the elden ring and moving between worlds.
Thans for taking the time to say so, that's really kind of you to say! 😊😊😊
I was worried the stance in this one was a bit TOO literal, especially with talking about the straight line in the Contemporary Elden Ring... But as you can probably tell, The Tarnished Archaeologist is a HUGE inspiration for me!!! So I'm glad if the ideas in the video came across as grounded, and not just as a rant! 🤣
Great stuff. One thing I want to suggest because I'm not sure you did, is that spirit and souls are not the same thing. You kept saying the 'spirit world' like it's the only place for the DLC. Souls are traditionally tied to earth and separate from the body only at death. It makes sense souls travel down after death. Spirit is the animating force that gives bodies movement, called the breath of god. It makes sense this spirit travels up after death. My point is I don't think we can say it's one or the other, both can be true.
Sleep and death have been closely intertwined with each other in old mystery school teachings and in alchemy.
From Bloodborne:
Great volumes of water serve as a bullwark guarding sleep
Loooooved this entry in your content. I wonder what you make of Miquella's character. Some item descriptions like for the bewitching branch depict a bit of a manipulative entity. We know the nox use them to make the ants servile to them. And devotees of Miquella are ready to sacrifice themselves to be his guiding light back to the physical realm (the exploding soldiers). I'm not saying characters in the Lands Between have to be ALL good or ALL bad, but is he as benevolent as it appears on the surface? Is he going rogue or merely following his own dark empyrean path?
@exurb1a 's video on "Sleep is Just Death Being Shy" has always suck with me!
That's kind of you to say, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
And well, like most people I think, Miquella always seemed pretty perfect to me - wise, kind, and talented!
But as you say, once people brought up the hints towards him being more manipulative/controlling, I've been looking at him WAY differently!
The content around Miquella being based on Griffith might have been influencing me as well through! I've only just started reading Berserk, but as Griffith is perfect and inspires devotion, yet seems willing to sacrifice anything for his dream, Miquella now also seems a bit suspect to me too 😅
Can I ask, what did you think of Miquella's mentions within the SotE Trailer?
@JaRhEd69 Whoa! Hold the summoning bell, what?! There's a trailer?? Be right back!
Also saw this vid by "Jack is not a mimic" iirc, titled Miquella is not Griffith". I'm still on the fence about ole Micky. The vid may be worth giving a watch but be wary of spoilers!
The story of Elden Ring is woven so intricately detailed and hidden, it is difficult to follow at times and forces you to read everything from the tablets, item and weapon descriptions to the dialogue of the NPCs to form the complete story, it's no wonder why so many people are interested in this epic tale being told. I wish there was a novelization of this story told in a series.
A boating skeleton is clearly a Charon reference, dude
I believe there will be some kind of extended story related cutscene involving the parting of water (sea to the south) to reveal the "Shadow" realm location. If you notice the first scene where the tarnished first enter area on top of Torrent, you notice wet ground that Torrent runs on. Also, many camera angles appear to give the feeling of looking "upwards" at Erdtree. The many island type land structures also appear to be shaped as if underwater previous and surroundings seem like lands are just in a bowl type area.
I never thought of it like that!
From the establishing shot in the trailer, when Torrent halts just before the cliff, there definitely seems to be a depression in the centre of the Shadow Lands, with rising Plateau's towards its edges!
I'm not saying the whole area will "rise" out of the central creator within the Lands Between, but the bowl-like-shape of the map, as you say, really could be showing us were in this area!
I am puzzled by the shot with the Draconic Bear Roar, as it shows a clear view over an unobstructed ocean... so where would this fit do you think?
And would you say the Shadow Erdtree in the trailer is occupying almost the same space as the Erdtree in the Lands Between?
@@JarHed69 After watching Crunchy's 3-hour Feb 23rd video, he seems to agree, knowing the DLC is set in the present day, that the entire area in the middle of the map (where cloud is) would be where Shadow Realm is geographically. I would say it would possibly stop at the dam like line that goes from Caelid to Mountaintop of Giants (I believe), so possibly the "Draconic Bear is looking out towards where Faraam Mazula is.
@@JarHed69Quelag also predicted a while back, that area to be of significance due to octagonal locations of the "Divine Towers" zero in, right onto the cloud on the map.
has anyone theorised what gold is alloyed with (off the back of un-alloyed gold being mentioned)
Well, Rogier does say, "Fascinating, isn't it? That the Golden Order was pliable enough to absorb practices that contradicted itself in the past."
Here he's referencing how the Carian's and the Academy were brought into the Golden Order’s fold through the marriage of Rennala and Radagon, and they also adopted Dragon Worship too. So, I think it's these other cultures that the Golden Order became "alloyed" with.
Using this train of thought, if the Golden Order was more "pure" when it first began, maybe Miquella wanted his Order to return to this "pure" form.
AND, as I've suggested in the video, the beginning of the Golden Order was BEFORE Destined Death was removed, so maybe Miquella's Unalloyed Gold would have aimed to return to life before rebirth through the Erdtree?
Does that make sense?
Great video, subscribed
Thanks so much, it really means a lot! 😊
after the DLC trailer: I'm kinda surprised that the DLC entrance will be after the Mogh fight since it's a "secret area".
This is a problem from a game design standpoint since people who missed this place will also miss the DLC they paid extra for.
But this is the Souls community. I guess everybody know that you play this game with some wiki or guide opened.
I swear, the next edition should come with a copy of SmoughTown's VaatiVidya's, etc's videos 🤣
ER was the first FromSoft game I experienced firsthand, and I couldn't wait for their videos to tell me what was happening!
Even though I guessed it, I'm still surprised it'll be starting with Miquella's corpse... although it seems I guessed for the wrong reasons!
As for it being in a secret area, I think it speaks of an aspect of Japanese game design which I particularly love, being the lack of hand-holding, making things purposefully challenging, so it becomes a genuinely rewarding experience overcome it.
Hard to find locations, obscure questlines, tough gameplay, or even percentage-drop-rates without any "guaranteed drops" - it all reminds me of playing games as a young kid, when even easy games were a challenge 😅
This could just be me though, what do you reckon?
TBH I'd have trouble calling it a secret, since the first guy you talk to in the game has a questline that leads you there right after the first boss, but I can certainly see how it'd be hard to find the "expected" way.
@@Recoil1808 I legit got to Mogh's area through Varré's quest, couldn't find where to go, farmed some Frogs, and then forgot about it until I found the portal in the Snowfields 😅
So I'd say either way is pretty hard 😂
@@JarHed69 Fair 'nuff. First time I exited the Stranded Graveyard I completely missed Varre and the site of grace inches from my face and just went off towards the first things I saw. Which led to me thinking I discovered something new when I found it only to immediately shift towards disappointment at my apparently blindness.
So, Radagon and Marika were a couple before the Lands Between, he may have stayed behind in the shadowlands for a time until Marika couldn't defeat Renalla, then called on him to, assist.
Maybe he's Messmer's twin brother? GRRM did help right it after all? 😅
@@JarHed69 lmao goodness, Madness ending it is, burn it all away!
this vid compares elden ring at release and elden ring 1.00, some interesting stuff like numen being called visitors and elemir dropping perfumer flasks, idk what it could mean for lore but its there
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That's a link to a cat video mate 😅
fixed it now idk wtf happened try again! @@JarHed69
the spirit world is called the beyond, you can see it mentioned when you recall your spirit ashes
I've never seen this anywhere before! Where would I find this bit of text? Could you share some more context?
@JaRhEd69 just use the exact same spirit ash again after summoning it and you can see the prompt :D
Great video, I disagree slightly that the Elden ring has a duplicate below where the rune arc currently sits. I think the rune arc now sits in place of the rune of death, in fact if you look at the ancient Elden Ring in Farum Azula, you can see that the rune of death features at the very bottom, right where you'd expect it, pointing down below all the other roots into the spirit world.
The Helphen Steeple is a representation of the rune of death. Its design matches almost perfectly bar a few differences that I also have some idea of explaining if you're interested.
The Shadow Tree (which I believe to be the Black Steeple of Helphen and the tap root of the great tree/Erdtree/Crucible) therefore is a manifestation of death, in the same way that the Erdtree is a manifestation of life.
When Marika removed the rune of death, she physically disconnected the Shadow Lands, preventing destined death and thus the blessings of the Elden Ring (life) remained pooled within the rune arc instead, allowing for immortality/rebirth without transcending the spirit world.
Deathroot now physically reaches down into the shadow lands underneath the lands between, partially reconnecting the spirit world. This is likely what we see strangling the Shadow tree in the DLC. But with the Elden ring shattered and perhaps importantly the rune of the Unborn being removed, souls traversing these roots cannot be birthed anew and are instead brought into the empty vessels of buried corpses across the lands between.
Alright alright alright. I might have been a little harsh on your previous theories about Radagon and Marika, but this theory here is 🔥. A really great based take. Even if it doesn't end up being true, I prefer your story, to whatever George has cooked up.
Great work.
George not even involved in the dlc though
I'm glad you've enjoyed this one! 😂
My videos on the Usurping Theory are more speculative, but I hope you found this one has a lot more evidence to support it?
@@godly_potatoe69xd19 in one of the interviews Miyazaki did about the "Shadow of the Erdtree", he said that its story is part of the original mythos that GRRM wrote, which they separated off to tell by itself in the DLC.
So GRRM didn't write anything new for it, but it's still based on the writing he did for FromSoft in the first place
@@JarHed69 ye, ik, but what I’m saying is even if it’s from the mythos, all he did was make basic characters and stories, he has nothing to do with the actual plot of the game or the dlc, and they changed a lot of aspects of characters to make them more twisted.
Miyazaki: "The Loathsome Dung Eater is the key to all of this."
any content you make is worth watching. I enjoy long videos though, so keep it up!
I wonder if when only the soul dies or the soul leaves the body whether another entity can take over the body. Considering the new trailer - that Messmer the impaler guy, the tall lanky guy with the red snake, kind of looks like the corpse in the cocoon that Mohg lies with. I wonder if that Messmer fella is trying to over take Miquella's corpse since an empyrean body would be quite the prize and a nice way to return to the world of the living after perhaps losing your own body
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Holy hell, this hits hard!! And Jesus, it would fit so well!!
I'm gonna be thinking of this going forward!!!
On Messmer, I've seen people speculating about his bright red flames, and I've not seen anyone propose that it's the same Bloodflame used by Mogh?
The Mother he calls to, could that not be the formless mother? And he questions why we were "lordship sanctioned" by her, which could have been due to her champion defeating Mogh?
@@JarHed69 Interesting point indeed! His flames do resemble the bloodflame, perhaps Mohg is being tricked without knowing that he's being tricked. Messmer also has a lot of sin iconography, the discolored draconic eye, the snakes and of course his fire. I mentioned on another video that I think Messmer may have burnt the Erdtree the first time, before us. That'd explain all the ash in Leyndell and him maybe being banished from the lands between.
Someone else on another video also pointed out the impaled giant corpses in the mountaintops... Messmer the IMPALER...
Perhaps Messmer has some close connection to the formless mother, and maybe even the bloodstar due to his connections to sin.
17:02 the cosmic water the elden beast lives in is also seen around every site of grace, there being a continuous ripple from the grace itself
stoked for this radagon vid! love the long vids but would ofc watch the shorter ones as well
Now that everyone is freaking out over the trailer (absolutely mindblowing btw) I just wanna let out a thought that it is still possible we enter the DLC from different places and not just Moghs arena. They can be splitting up the DLC in interloping sections if they want to spread it out more and giving us multiple entry points. After waching this vid I definitely would want to play with all of those entry point theories if I were a From developer ;)
Super nice vid man! You did it again 😍I love your theories and how you're able to comprehend all of that, and on top of that make sense of it ;) Can't wait to see how much will be featured in the DLC but at least the wait is over soon!
Regarding your format, I personally love your longer videos as long as they're not too all over the place (which I think you balance extremely well so far!) - a few chapter markers in the video might help those that seek specific information might help, but I happily watch them in one go, and then on repeat a few times as well haha
I had hoped the trailer would show us a lot of new stuff, and they went absolutly mad with it! It was nutty!
And I agree! I've been reading the interview Miyazaki did about the DLC, as well as the promotion on their website - and they say that "Players can seamlessly travel back and forth between its vast maps..." So yeah, while this might be referring to traveling between the Shadow Lands and the Lands Between, there's a chance the DLC will be several separated zones? If so, there might be separate entrances for each of them?
Or, even if the Shadow Lands are one BIG map, there still could be ways we'd need to access other parts of it through different portals in the overworld? I think this would be REALLY cool, especially if they each connect to a different storyline in the base game!
And thank you, I'm really glad you've enjoyed this one! I immediately added chapters to the video after I read this, which I completely overlooked 😅 Thanks for the feedback! It's had balancing life with making the longer videos, which is why they take so long 😖 But I'll keep plugging away at making more, especially if my Radagon script will still be viable if there's no new information about him in the DLC 😂
Anre there any other ideas, or areas of the lore, that you think I should consider making a video about? Most areas are well documented by other content creators, and I'm not sure it would be interesting for me to just rehash the same information?
@@JarHed69 The topics that interest me the most after these years of waiting are mostly related to the origin/identity of the Gloam Eyed Queen and the connection between Miquella and St.Trina. I think most other topics and theories are pretty well-founded but I still haven't gotten my own theory about those. Most of all I believe the Gloam Eyed Queen to be pivotal to the story as a form of alter ego to Marika, created to oppose the Golden Order before she might have been take hostage by Radagon.
But I don't have other clear evidence or reasons to believe that besides a hunch, the duality between them, and a slight tweak to the timeline from one of your videos that may explain her disappearance after conflict with Maliketh - but that tweak screws up a lot of other stuff, so I'm not sure at all about anything really haha xD
Let's wait till after the DLC to see if that merits anything - but I can't wait to see how the Imposter theory holds up - it's still my favorite explanation
Lol I don't know why but I always feel compelled to correct this mistake that EVERYONE makes. Gwyn was not "desperate to maintain his age of fire". The first age of fire ended and an age of dark began, then, after seeing what the age of dark was (I believe it was awful because of the furtive pygmy not shouldering the burden of Lordship), he sacrificed his own life to restore the First Flame. And let's not forget that Izalith had a similar reaction.
Yeah you're right,Gwyn and Marika's stories are very different 😅
I mean, even though his world does stagnate, if Gwyn didn't keep the Fire going... the entire world would go into darkness, which would be a rough time!
I guess I was more commentating on the futility/self fulfilling prophecy aspect of it - holding on too tightly, ultimately, won't work. Does that make sense?
@@JarHed69 Absolutely. And I loved the video. I see a definite resemblance to the old gods of Lordran in the demi gods of the Lands Between, but I think Miyazaki pictured the Lords as more altruistic, except for maybe the Furtive Pygmy (maybe), where in Elden Ring the deities are more confused and wayward.
bro this is PhD level lore
Honestly, I'm only building on ideas that others have been working towards! Credit really has to go to @Ziostorm and @CrunchyVideos for discussing these concepts already!
You know, i have always wondered due to the past god of rot being a thing and the crucible root imagery, are we perhaps looking at mycelial threads? we know the mushroom lords where around in the primevil time of Elden ring and that roots and mycelium are deeply connected in the real world by symbiotic growth relations.
This idea didn't even cross my mind!!! Maybe the Rot god that was sealed away? I guess I just took them for roots, but yeah!
Daaaym, so some sort of primordial parasite??!!
the roots/crucible kind of reminds me of the aeonia pattern the petals flowing outwards like a lotus, if i recall lotus flowers eat decay and stagnation in Eastern philosophy and grow in muddy water in the real world. The goddess of rot we fight in the game also has flowers and rot as her motif.
16:19 "Merman..cough cough..Merman!!"
Yeah, I should have thought that line through more... 😅
I think I have the death blight… cough, cough…
its ere
Where's ere? 🤣
The GUF
Da GUF?
It's the chamber above the firmament, located in the 7th heaven, where souls are stored.
It will fill in the crater in the centre of the map
Well, we see a clear ocean in the trailer shot of the Draconic Brar Roar, and we don't see the Giants Forge/Mountaintops anywhere either - so if it is in the maps centre crator, we'd have to warp to some other plane of existence, right?
@@JarHed69 miyazaki stated in an interview that the shadow lands isn’t in an alternate place or time but is “hidden” from the outside world (that’s what the cloth veils around the tree in the trailer represent) so I’m just taking an educated guess and the big crater in the middle of the map seems to be the best spot for a “hidden” land. Biggest thing that makes me believe the dlc will take place in the maps centre is because of you go to either farum azule or malenias tower you can see a cliff where the crater starts, almost like something was mean to be there but was removed or hidden.
In before its a random island adventure 😉
Elden Ring Animal Crossing would be pretty lit though 🤣
Great video