Today we look into what would happen if Scotland became independent from the rest of the United Kingdom today. Would it be a good idea? Or a bad idea? Let's discuss!
Should’ve happened in 2014. I can’t overstate how gutted i was in 2014 when it didn’t go through. We waited more than 300 years for the first chance. It’ll be a long wait on another go.
Down in England we were also gutted. We honestly thought this was it, England can be a nation again. However, many of us since have joined English nationalist party, but unlike Scotland we have no Parliament, therefore we are fighting to get Scotland a referendum. We desperately need rid of Scotland, it's been a 300 years mil stone on our backs. In addition we vow to send all the immigrants up to you. So Humza McYousaf will be well pleased.
@@guywood2343 Scotland hands in 67£ billion to UK and gets around 36£ billion back. The rest is for foreign affairs and defence and some social security That's the block grant. We DONT GET IT FOR NOTHING. It's Scotland's own money back and our neighbor handles the rest for us Imagine an independent Scotland with control over all its money and assets and resources and inland and outland revenues. They can have more money to spend on things like the NHS. Trade with England won't stop, and just as with an independent Ireland agreement will be made to have a good flowing trade between both because it's NOT only Scotland that would be hit with hypothetical trade restrictions but England too, and I just don't think that England want more barriers and isolation to add to their Brexit problems. As you said, Scotland does 40% trade with the EU and the rest of the world, did you know that when Ireland became independent it's trade changed over time gradually where they relied on around the same 60% trade with UK and after years of independence and integration into the EU, the trade with UK fell to around 40% as it still is today. These are trade opportunities not stalemates. Just like the end of the Czechoslovakia state when it split up into Czechia and Slovakia they worked things out sensibly between them that it actually became known as the velvet divorce to overcome major hurdles to the benefit of BOTH new states Finally, you've understated the fact that Scotland has a lot of bargaining chips to enter into independence negotiations. Such as military bases and nuclear weapons bases on Scots soil, the fact that Scotland keeps 95% of all oil and gas territory and fishing territory and that Scotland is soon going to be producing an excess of green energy that they will export. The EU are wanting this as they've definitely said they're interested but remember England is our obvious export customer for energy, easy to export and it's a well known fact that England is desperately short of home grown energy. Yes there will be twists and turns and hard talk and work ahead, this is true But the benefits will outweigh all of this in time Just ask the 65 countries that's already became independent from the UK in just the last 80 years alone None of these countries have begged to come back Most doing great and have sought better political unions or ties, they have Their own voice in the UN and NOT ALL of these countries need top table seats to achieve good things like you suggested in your video Countries like Ireland Cyprus Malta Barbados Will only go on to stronger things as independent states now that they've realised that they've worn the shackles of deception and dependency for too long
@UCzdW7_cT0ZvMg8mWJGawo4A Don't stand In the way of Scotland's independence then and you'll be unburdened from us😀 Whilst you sit in the rocky brexshit boat with Tories and labour right wingers
How does drilling oil work with the Greens sharing the bed of the SNP? Honest question. Either the Greens are not what they say they are or the SNP is lying to them or the populace.
By becoming an EU member Scotland will have the same trading deal with England as the rest of the EU members. Spain will be fine with Scotland joining, Scotland is a recognized non independent country while Catalunia is not.
The Spain issue is down to Scotland's method of gaining independence. If Scotland does a UDI, i.e no UK Approval, then Spain will veto them. They can only get Spain's approval if done legally. Scotland's economic status also makes EU entry a near impossibility, it is nowhere near meeting the EU's requirements.
Tbh sounds like an England problem whey wanted brexit we didn’t and they know it we be independent then they will suffer witch is true that’s why we can only get INDEPENDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRY TO LEAVE makes 0 sense
It seems it's only the SNP who want Independence and it doesn't say much for them when they elect HY as their leader. They don't call him "Yousless" without good reason. There's so much in the country that needs seeing to yet all that HY can think of is Indy!
@sumboi2321The worst part is there are people who vote for them purely as they are the only real scotland focused party, others are seen as extensions of English parties.
I did not vote for independence however I look at the progress Ireland have made within Europe and wonder why that is. Unfortunately I fear us Scots do not have the same outlook as the Irish.
Sure it will be hard but that said in the age of the Internet where information travels faster than ever before it would probably be a lot more easier to go independent today than it would’ve done after World War II & the Cold War as it was a lot harder before the Internet back then for many of those new Republics
I'm all for Scotland being independent but I don't understand the whole point in becoming independent, regaining total control of the country from Westminster, then joining the EU and giving up total control, are you ever truly independent if you surrender certain powers to the EU?
English people's idea of the EU is so fucked up to the point they think it's the same thing. You chosed to leave, while Scotland needs Westminster's permission to leave, see this difference ? You find this difference in everything. You surrender nothing, you have a say in every decision and are free to leave at all time. Please english people if you think that, please never rejoin again and have fun with your trading deal with country on the opposite side of the planet.
No, you are not independant, you give up your powers to Brussels and must answer to them for many dealings with other nations and must adopt their laws (See: Poland lately). I.e you are DEPENDANT on them for your ruling authority. People can spin it however they want but the final picture is you are no longer independant, you just gave it up willingly. You can get it back when you want to but as we've seen from Brexit they make it exceedingly costly to do so.
Fine by us Welsh and English. Scotland's currency could be the "Scottish Pound" and the rUK's completely separate currency be, say, the "New British Pound". Start both at parity and see what then happens. Or in short, the markets will decide. We'll all need new banknotes/coins and you'll need a new central bank, but that's about all. So get on with it. The sooner the better, i.m.h.o.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 But Scotland have their own central bank system for years, together with their own Scottish pound. Basically rest of UK would struggle more without Scotland, than other way around. Ok at the beggining would be struggle for Scotland too, but in long term they would ok. For rest of UK most important is Scottish Agriculture, imagine if that is just cut off with good deal. Little bit more than 15Billion + Scottish whisky little bit more than £5Billion in UK economy. Almost £90Billion from North sea oil in UK economy.
@@AldisoKristian Great, then you've already got a lot of the financial infrastructure there. As for the rest, don't worry. After decades of the SNP, more and more of us "rUK" folk are more than willing to take the chance... and after all, the loss of 100% of Scotland's economy will still leave rUK with a somewhat larger GDP than France, on 2023 figures... and in any case, you'll be being ruled from Brussels and perforce adopting the Euro, before too long. While my own preference for us, b.t.w, now the loathsome EU is doing all it can to subvert and supplant every other sovereign function of its member states, defence (and thus NATO's European pillar) included, is to see an independent rUK move to become a de facto "Switzerland-on-Sea".
@@squirepraggerstope3591 First of all, I'm not Scottish, so stop saying YOU HAVE etc. :) GDP will not be higher than France, or I'm checking the wrong data. Speaking about EU, you don't need euro to be member of EU. You don't need to NATO, ANO, UCF or other member to be in EU. Uk comparing with Swiss, complete nonsense. UK is miles away from that level. Just wondering from where you heard all this what you are saying.
@@AldisoKristian Re comparative annual 2023 GDP figures (figs from IMF's 'World Economic Outlook Database' as of Oct. '23) UK ; $3.332tn. France ; $3.049tn. Scotland (Fig from Scotgov nat accts Oct. 2023, incl of oil/gas extraction, etc); $0.29t 3.332 - 0.290 = 3.042, so on these more recent estimates you're right. Though in fact the figs do fall within the margin of error, so I should've said "post Scotland's secession, rUK GDP would still be more-or-less the same size as France's GDP". Thanks for pointing this out. Re the Euro, for any new applicant, which is what Scotland would be (the matter was explored exhaustively in the 2014 Scottish independence campaign) adoption of the Euro a.s.a.p. is now a non-negotiable requirement. W.r.t. NATO, etc, Your observation is, a.f.a.i.k. accurate but totally irrelevant to the point I made. Most EU member states are in NATO and so in seeking to make their defence policy more and more a 'EUropean' level (i.e. its own) competence, the EU will ineluctably supplant NATO's "European Pillar" anyway, from any pragmatic perspective. As for your point re Switzerland, of course the UK AND for that matter, France, Italy, Germany and almost every other European nation, with (apart from a few plutocratic minnows like Monaco or Liechtenstein) the exception of just Norway and Luxembourg, are ALL "miles away from that level". Yet let me dream a little. After all, non-aligned but still sensibly well armed neutrality as a determinedly independent democratic nation state, has clearly done Switzerland no end of good. So why shouldn't we similarly independence-minded British aspire to something very like it??
Independence would be a disaster for Scotland on all economic measures. Completely crazy. For this reason the SNP has not even tackled the problem in any of their discussions or information papers published by the "Scottish Government" as they know it is an insoluble problem for them. And that's despite the "advice" they received from the Sheffield uni SNP accountant academic they asked for advice. Also they could not join the EU. And now all the banks and insurance companies have fled from the disaster that independence would produce. Not that I'm bothered. My pension comes out of England so when the SNP trash the economy here even more than they're doing at the moment, my future is reasonably secure. But I feel sorry for all my compatriots. They're the ones that will suffer when their jobs disappear and the welfare benefits are reduced to near zero.
Nobody says or thinks that. There are SEVERAL countries that can't make it on their own. Take South Africa. Zimbabwe. Somalia. Venezuela (perhaps the most likely model for Scotland under SNP rule.) Yemen. Haiti. Tell you what, just look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index . At one end you have Scandinavian countries (and "honorary Scandinavian" countries like New Zealand and Canada). At the other end you have Somalia and Yemen. (The death toll in Yemen has been appalling. The main stream media only seem to care that the Houthis are attacking ships.) There are LOTS of countries in a very bad way indeed. Heck, North Korea is 37-equal. It's not a matter of resources, either. North Korea *ought* to be rich. It's all about your political system. Having a First Minister who openly hates the native population is not a good start.
Look at the list of countries by fragile state index. There are LOTS of countries doing badly. While it had Russian patronage, North Korea was more prosperous than South Korea in the 1960s. After it lost Russian patronage, 5% of the population starved. Venezuela used to be one of the richest countries in South America.
Yeah when England has fu*k ton of more people than would there be more vote than whose voice would be more heard why are you colonists so scared if free countries let them be free what problem do you have with them being free if they can't be independent then sure go ahead annexed it but atleast let them be free first
So, help me understand the Nationalist logic. Nationalists want to leave a Union where they have a lot of influence and join a bigger union where they have next to no influence. Tell me, how is this independance?
What influence does Scotland have? We rarely affect the controlling party and have the Tories constantly foisted upon us. EU is a group where each member if equal, UK benefits England over the other 3 combined.
In short, I'd say grossly biased anti-UK/pro-EUSSR trash like this sorry vid and its tissue of lies, are the best things we Welsh and English could ever wish for if they help us unload the Caledonian millstone for good.
This issue is incredibly overblown. Very few people in Scottish society see this an an issue anymore. Other than the die hard supporters of the SNP who will continually vote for them, donate and deliver the leaflets. A carrot and stick situation has emerged were the SNP ramp up the talk to keep them onside. However, they have run out of road it would appear and are on the exit ramp. The core vote of the SNP has been the down on their luck folk with little formal education or employment prospects above minimum wage. The SNP set themselves as their saviours abasing the tories, but with the tories on the way out themselves there's little reason to vote for them and not labour. The SNP have lost the last dozen council by-elections to Scottish labour and were massacred at the parliamentary by-election last month. On top of all of this bad news for the SNP, Scottish tax payers are furious at their publicly funded lavish lifestyles, endless scandal and waste. Come the next General and then Scottish elections, the SNP are destined to spend the future in opposition and their dying cause will truly be put to bed for the forceable.
I disagree about your take on the popularity (or lack thereof as you argue) on the debate. Independence is still very much at the forefront of Scottish politics and discussion, and not just by the politicians either, but is still passionately debated by ordinary people from either side of the perspective. Considering, as well, that around one-third of those in favour of independence are supportive from an emotional point of view; it is unlikely that this debate will ever die down. I get the point being that Scottish people will be very worried about the state of the NHS, our education system etc. but independence as a debated 'solution' (word-choice may be appropriate or not depending on your perspective) is guaranteed to come up time and again - right or wrong.
@@guywood2343 you have not made a point lol you have only stated a fact. Why get angry if it does not matter to you? Seems as if you just don't like the Scottish going by your comments. A very dumb point of view to have in this age. I believe its because England knows if scotland leave then Wales probably will aswell if scotland do well
@@guywood2343 ah now it's all clear. Appears your account is the same age as most bots on RUclips 😂. What a big surprise. Would also explain why you couldn't answer my question
@@guywood2343 say I'm insulting you and yet you are the one who has had 6 messages taken down in this video alone. Its very clear who is being insulting 😂
People in England aren't angry about the idea of Scotland being independent, it will have a minimal impact on the UK, England makes up >80% of the UK economy and population. What is annoying is the political capital that is spent on an already "settled" debate, Scotland had its referendum and voted to remain in the UK, but keeps voting for a party that wants independence and so we end up with a Tory government hell bent on sucking as much wealth out of the nation through corruption and greed, this further irks the Scots so they vote SNP again and so the cycle continues. I think what irritates other UK nations not just the English is how the SNP overtly act as if Scotland is some special set apart from the rest of us nation within the UK and stomps its feet at absolutely everything. It's nothing to do with Scottish people, its the politics currently representing Scotland.
@@guywood2343 The English government has become a joke; Boris Johnson;Liz Truss; Tax dodging Sunak... Remind me what part of the English economy did Sunak impose a windfall tax on to subsidize energy costs? Compare similar sized countries around Europe to Scotland, countries like;Denmark; Sweden; Finland; Ireland; Norway; Iceland... Apart from Norway, all of these countries have less resources than Scotland yet their citizens have a far better standard and quality of life than the people of Scotland and Wales. Why is that? Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because they're not governed by a privileged elite?
@@guywood2343 Absolute tosh. For one, how can Scotland leave Britain 😂😂😂 Two, that money you mentioned is only a third of Scotland's revenue. Imagine what we could achieve if we held on to all of it. 🏴🏴🏴
its not about all about the economy, the scottish are the same as the northern parts of england in a way, south England is way too saturated with income
I'm not sure what you mean by "way too saturated with income". *Public* spending per capita is far higher in Scotland than in the rest of the UK. A lot of that income you decry is taxed and the taxes are preferentially spent in Scotland.
@@richardokeefe7410 mate in the south your average house is £1 million pounds, in the north you can get a mansion for that price. Cokes are also like 3 quid for a can
The independence vote was 2014 not 2016! Seriously! And Scots who worked in England were not even allowed to vote! Get your facts straight and make a correct video! This is only the second one I've seen, and both have serious errors!
If Malta managed to go independent without any resources, and have a better economy then it did under UK rule plus lowest unemployment in the EU, I am sure Scotland can do same especially with its already established infrastructure, resources & level of education.
times changed brexit is one indy vote was in 2014 brexit vote 2016 internal market bill stops Scotland from putting bills into scottish law that the scottish parliment have votted on like un charter on childrens right stopped by wastemonster and a few others
Scotland economically is in a far better position than the rest of UK and that's why Westminster is so determined to stop us leaving. As for the English supreme court be considered any different from English courts because is certainly doesn't represent Scottish interests. Why are you inferring that you're not biased.
Aw bless, better whine to the EU and see what it'll cough up. I don't think even England can reasonably be expected to just go on subsidising ex-millstones.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 you do realise the barnett formula is just the tax take of scotland minus the 40% that england keeps right? contrary to popular belief, scots do pay tax. more per head than any other part of the uk, but see less in return from westminster than any other part of the uk
If the SNP are for something, you can be absolutely certain it's a bad idea. Under SNP rule, drug deaths in Scotland have ballooned, making it the drug death capital of Europe, standing head and shoulders above the rest. You can't tell me that this has nothing to do with SNP misrule. The SNP have been in control for a couple of decades and the death rate just keeps going up and up. In the 1980s I was treated by the NHS in Scotland and as far as I could tell it worked well.. But now, since the SNP have been running things? "In March 2023, the total number of patients waiting for treatment reached almost 627 thousand." That's more than ONE IN NINE people in Scotland waiting for treatment. If you care about the NHS in Scotland, you have got to get the SNP away from it. The waiting lists keep on getting worse and worse, like the drug deaths. And it's not as if they can blame the English. Health spending is devolved to the Scottish Parliament. "During 2022-23 tax revenue generated in Scotland, including North Sea oil revenues, amounted to £87.5 billion (8.6% of UK total). During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £106.6 billion in public spending (9.2% of UK total)." Tax revenue in Scotland includes UK taxes and Scottish taxes that remain in Scotland. Basically, even *with* North Sea oil, Scotland is still paid handsomely by England and Wales. If Scotland cuts loose from England and Wales, it will immediately be in serious financial trouble. Maybe some of the money Scotland would have got could be spent on the English+Welsh NHS.
@sumboi2321 The same statistical blunder as counting deaths *with* COVID as deaths *from* COVID? Colour me mildly surprised: I thought they'd realise that the figures look bad and stop doing that if they were doing that. Incompetent at covering up as well, eh? I see "Scottish Independence" the same way I see the Church of England breaking away from the global Anglican communion. Primarily driven by the desire of a bunch of malignant and questionably competent people to be bigger frogs even at the price of living in a smaller pond. The CoE doesn't give a d##n for its rapidly dwindling congregations. The SNP doesn't give a d##n for the Scot in the streets of Glasgow or Aberdeen, still less the Highlands and Islands. My views on unthirldom really don't matter. What matters is the well-being of the Scots. If the Scottish Parliament adopted sensible immigration policies, unthirldom could be the salvation of Scotland. It'd be nice if they ended up with a ruling party or parties that actually gave a d##n about the Scots.
Hey dude, I watch your videos on tiktok. did you create this channel just for fun or for education? you explained the history of other nations but you were cut it off. You know, history is sensitive and can cause big pros and cons. If you are unable to reset and can't explain fully, it is better to keep quiet.
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Should’ve happened in 2014. I can’t overstate how gutted i was in 2014 when it didn’t go through. We waited more than 300 years for the first chance. It’ll be a long wait on another go.
Down in England we were also gutted. We honestly thought this was it, England can be a nation again. However, many of us since have joined English nationalist party, but unlike Scotland we have no Parliament, therefore we are fighting to get Scotland a referendum. We desperately need rid of Scotland, it's been a 300 years mil stone on our backs. In addition we vow to send all the immigrants up to you. So Humza McYousaf will be well pleased.
The oil revenue was taken in by the uk government, not Scotland
@@guywood2343 thanks guy for your generosity as well you know we contribute nothing back to the economy… guy🤣
@@guywood2343 wtf is Adam? Are you unable to keep track of who you are arguing with, or are you too stupid to understand my simple point?
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Scotland hands in 67£ billion to UK and gets around 36£ billion back.
The rest is for foreign affairs and defence and some social security
That's the block grant. We DONT GET IT FOR NOTHING. It's Scotland's own money back and our neighbor handles the rest for us
Imagine an independent Scotland with control over all its money and assets and resources and inland and outland revenues.
They can have more money to spend on things like the NHS.
Trade with England won't stop, and just as with an independent Ireland agreement will be made to have a good flowing trade between both because it's NOT only Scotland that would be hit with hypothetical trade restrictions but England too, and I just don't think that England want more barriers and isolation to add to their Brexit problems.
As you said, Scotland does 40% trade with the EU and the rest of the world, did you know that when Ireland became independent it's trade changed over time gradually where they relied on around the same 60% trade with UK and after years of independence and integration into the EU, the trade with UK fell to around 40% as it still is today. These are trade opportunities not stalemates.
Just like the end of the Czechoslovakia state when it split up into Czechia and Slovakia they worked things out sensibly between them that it actually became known as the velvet divorce to overcome major hurdles to the benefit of BOTH new states
Finally, you've understated the fact that Scotland has a lot of bargaining chips to enter into independence negotiations. Such as military bases and nuclear weapons bases on Scots soil,
the fact that Scotland keeps 95% of all oil and gas territory and fishing territory and that Scotland is soon going to be producing an excess of green energy that they will export. The EU are wanting this as they've definitely said they're interested but remember England is our obvious export customer for energy, easy to export and it's a well known fact that England is desperately short of home grown energy.
Yes there will be twists and turns and hard talk and work ahead, this is true
But the benefits will outweigh all of this in time
Just ask the 65 countries that's already became independent from the UK in just the last 80 years alone
None of these countries have begged to come back
Most doing great and have sought better political unions or ties, they have Their own voice in the UN and NOT ALL of these countries need top table seats to achieve good things like you suggested in your video
Countries like
Ireland
Cyprus
Malta
Barbados
Will only go on to stronger things as independent states now that they've realised that they've worn the shackles of deception and dependency for too long
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Don't stand In the way of Scotland's independence then and you'll be unburdened from us😀
Whilst you sit in the rocky brexshit boat with Tories and labour right wingers
How does drilling oil work with the Greens sharing the bed of the SNP? Honest question. Either the Greens are not what they say they are or the SNP is lying to them or the populace.
By becoming an EU member Scotland will have the same trading deal with England as the rest of the EU members. Spain will be fine with Scotland joining, Scotland is a recognized non independent country while Catalunia is not.
Why would you want to join a whole lot of far right countries if you could avoid the Spanish veto? 🤔
The Spain issue is down to Scotland's method of gaining independence. If Scotland does a UDI, i.e no UK Approval, then Spain will veto them. They can only get Spain's approval if done legally. Scotland's economic status also makes EU entry a near impossibility, it is nowhere near meeting the EU's requirements.
Tbh sounds like an England problem whey wanted brexit we didn’t and they know it we be independent then they will suffer witch is true that’s why we can only get INDEPENDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRY TO LEAVE makes 0 sense
3 minutes in and I don't think his facts are entirely accurate. Believe in Scotland is more worthwhile if you want researched facts.
Ruth...yes! He doesn't even know the right year the independence vote happened!?
It seems it's only the SNP who want Independence and it doesn't say much for them when they elect HY as their leader. They don't call him "Yousless" without good reason. There's so much in the country that needs seeing to yet all that HY can think of is Indy!
@sumboi2321The worst part is there are people who vote for them purely as they are the only real scotland focused party, others are seen as extensions of English parties.
I did not vote for independence however I look at the progress Ireland have made within Europe and wonder why that is.
Unfortunately I fear us Scots do not have the same outlook as the Irish.
Only depressed and brainwashed and they are a dying breed, ie, the elderly.
If I can make a correction, Scotland had its own distinct NHS when it was founded prior to 1999.
Let them go, let Scotland go
It seems your dialogue was written by Westminster, i didn't hear any positives for Independence in you speech , or do you work for the Daily Mail?
Spain not stopping Scotland from joining the EU, that obstacle does not exist.
Joining the EU is not important. Joining the EFTA is better IMO.
Wat a lot of propaganda same shit questions as 2014 and they hav bn answered come bk with a real story about Scotland not the unionest version
This times one hundred.
Sure it will be hard but that said in the age of the Internet where information travels faster than ever before it would probably be a lot more easier to go independent today than it would’ve done after World War II & the Cold War as it was a lot harder before the Internet back then for many of those new Republics
the old debunked "spain may block an independent scotland" trope. yawn. do your research before repeating such tripe.
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I would like to see Scotland become Independant.
D.M.Lumsden.
I'm all for Scotland being independent but I don't understand the whole point in becoming independent, regaining total control of the country from Westminster, then joining the EU and giving up total control, are you ever truly independent if you surrender certain powers to the EU?
surrender? is a pact.
English people's idea of the EU is so fucked up to the point they think it's the same thing.
You chosed to leave, while Scotland needs Westminster's permission to leave, see this difference ?
You find this difference in everything. You surrender nothing, you have a say in every decision and are free to leave at all time.
Please english people if you think that, please never rejoin again and have fun with your trading deal with country on the opposite side of the planet.
is germany independent? is france? is italy? its not surrendering powers. its pooling powers.
I feel the same way, besides it's a costly endeavour.
No, you are not independant, you give up your powers to Brussels and must answer to them for many dealings with other nations and must adopt their laws (See: Poland lately). I.e you are DEPENDANT on them for your ruling authority.
People can spin it however they want but the final picture is you are no longer independant, you just gave it up willingly. You can get it back when you want to but as we've seen from Brexit they make it exceedingly costly to do so.
2:35 But Scotland have their own pound, so why they would need to make new currency?
Fine by us Welsh and English. Scotland's currency could be the "Scottish Pound" and the rUK's completely separate currency be, say, the "New British Pound". Start both at parity and see what then happens. Or in short, the markets will decide.
We'll all need new banknotes/coins and you'll need a new central bank, but that's about all. So get on with it. The sooner the better, i.m.h.o.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 But Scotland have their own central bank system for years, together with their own Scottish pound. Basically rest of UK would struggle more without Scotland, than other way around. Ok at the beggining would be struggle for Scotland too, but in long term they would ok. For rest of UK most important is Scottish Agriculture, imagine if that is just cut off with good deal. Little bit more than 15Billion + Scottish whisky little bit more than £5Billion in UK economy. Almost £90Billion from North sea oil in UK economy.
@@AldisoKristian Great, then you've already got a lot of the financial infrastructure there. As for the rest, don't worry. After decades of the SNP, more and more of us "rUK" folk are more than willing to take the chance... and after all, the loss of 100% of Scotland's economy will still leave rUK with a somewhat larger GDP than France, on 2023 figures... and in any case, you'll be being ruled from Brussels and perforce adopting the Euro, before too long.
While my own preference for us, b.t.w, now the loathsome EU is doing all it can to subvert and supplant every other sovereign function of its member states, defence (and thus NATO's European pillar) included, is to see an independent rUK move to become a de facto "Switzerland-on-Sea".
@@squirepraggerstope3591 First of all, I'm not Scottish, so stop saying YOU HAVE etc. :) GDP will not be higher than France, or I'm checking the wrong data. Speaking about EU, you don't need euro to be member of EU. You don't need to NATO, ANO, UCF or other member to be in EU. Uk comparing with Swiss, complete nonsense. UK is miles away from that level. Just wondering from where you heard all this what you are saying.
@@AldisoKristian Re comparative annual 2023 GDP figures (figs from IMF's 'World Economic Outlook Database' as of Oct. '23)
UK ; $3.332tn. France ; $3.049tn. Scotland (Fig from Scotgov nat accts Oct. 2023, incl of oil/gas extraction, etc); $0.29t
3.332 - 0.290 = 3.042, so on these more recent estimates you're right. Though in fact the figs do fall within the margin of error, so I should've said "post Scotland's secession, rUK GDP would still be more-or-less the same size as France's GDP". Thanks for pointing this out.
Re the Euro, for any new applicant, which is what Scotland would be (the matter was explored exhaustively in the 2014 Scottish independence campaign) adoption of the Euro a.s.a.p. is now a non-negotiable requirement.
W.r.t. NATO, etc, Your observation is, a.f.a.i.k. accurate but totally irrelevant to the point I made. Most EU member states are in NATO and so in seeking to make their defence policy more and more a 'EUropean' level (i.e. its own) competence, the EU will ineluctably supplant NATO's "European Pillar" anyway, from any pragmatic perspective.
As for your point re Switzerland, of course the UK AND for that matter, France, Italy, Germany and almost every other European nation, with (apart from a few plutocratic minnows like Monaco or Liechtenstein) the exception of just Norway and Luxembourg, are ALL "miles away from that level".
Yet let me dream a little. After all, non-aligned but still sensibly well armed neutrality as a determinedly independent democratic nation state, has clearly done Switzerland no end of good. So why shouldn't we similarly independence-minded British aspire to something very like it??
Scotland would be bankrupt within a few weeks of Independance.
The cost of deep fried Mars bars would go through the roof! 🤣😭🤣
Support Clare Daly lol
Independence would be a disaster for Scotland on all economic measures. Completely crazy. For this reason the SNP has not even tackled the problem in any of their discussions or information papers published by the "Scottish Government" as they know it is an insoluble problem for them. And that's despite the "advice" they received from the Sheffield uni SNP accountant academic they asked for advice. Also they could not join the EU. And now all the banks and insurance companies have fled from the disaster that independence would produce. Not that I'm bothered. My pension comes out of England so when the SNP trash the economy here even more than they're doing at the moment, my future is reasonably secure. But I feel sorry for all my compatriots. They're the ones that will suffer when their jobs disappear and the welfare benefits are reduced to near zero.
Scotland absolutely shouldn’t
Why?
@@ruthguthrie1099 I don’t want to see my country and people separated for pure blin tribalism
@@kaidenhall2718 Well, I do.
Completely agree
@@leannan070That's you, I don't and I have Scottish and English family.
Abolish the EU
Independence would suck
195 countries on this planet, and only one cant make it on its own ? Really ?
Nobody says or thinks that. There are SEVERAL countries that can't make it on their own. Take South Africa. Zimbabwe. Somalia. Venezuela (perhaps the most likely model for Scotland under SNP rule.) Yemen. Haiti. Tell you what, just look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index . At one end you have Scandinavian countries (and "honorary Scandinavian" countries like New Zealand and Canada). At the other end you have Somalia and Yemen. (The death toll in Yemen has been appalling. The main stream media only seem to care that the Houthis are attacking ships.) There are LOTS of countries in a very bad way indeed. Heck, North Korea is 37-equal. It's not a matter of resources, either. North Korea *ought* to be rich. It's all about your political system. Having a First Minister who openly hates the native population is not a good start.
Look at the list of countries by fragile state index. There are LOTS of countries doing badly. While it had Russian patronage, North Korea was more prosperous than South Korea in the 1960s. After it lost Russian patronage, 5% of the population starved. Venezuela used to be one of the richest countries in South America.
Scotland voted to remain in the UK. . . remember.
Yes but that was before Brexit !
@@jacobitelivinghistory Brexit was voted for democratically by the whole of the UK, not individual countries. Scotland voted to remain in the UK.
Yeah when England has fu*k ton of more people than would there be more vote than whose voice would be more heard why are you colonists so scared if free countries let them be free what problem do you have with them being free if they can't be independent then sure go ahead annexed it but atleast let them be free first
So, help me understand the Nationalist logic. Nationalists want to leave a Union where they have a lot of influence and join a bigger union where they have next to no influence. Tell me, how is this independance?
I'm all for independence, but definitely not into handing it away to the E.U. That comes from Scottish insecurity!
What influence does Scotland have? We rarely affect the controlling party and have the Tories constantly foisted upon us. EU is a group where each member if equal, UK benefits England over the other 3 combined.
Scottish independence isn’t a genuine movement, only a political game by the SNP. Very few actually want it
In short, I'd say grossly biased anti-UK/pro-EUSSR trash like this sorry vid and its tissue of lies, are the best things we Welsh and English could ever wish for if they help us unload the Caledonian millstone for good.
This issue is incredibly overblown. Very few people in Scottish society see this an an issue anymore. Other than the die hard supporters of the SNP who will continually vote for them, donate and deliver the leaflets. A carrot and stick situation has emerged were the SNP ramp up the talk to keep them onside. However, they have run out of road it would appear and are on the exit ramp. The core vote of the SNP has been the down on their luck folk with little formal education or employment prospects above minimum wage. The SNP set themselves as their saviours abasing the tories, but with the tories on the way out themselves there's little reason to vote for them and not labour. The SNP have lost the last dozen council by-elections to Scottish labour and were massacred at the parliamentary by-election last month. On top of all of this bad news for the SNP, Scottish tax payers are furious at their publicly funded lavish lifestyles, endless scandal and waste. Come the next General and then Scottish elections, the SNP are destined to spend the future in opposition and their dying cause will truly be put to bed for the forceable.
I disagree about your take on the popularity (or lack thereof as you argue) on the debate. Independence is still very much at the forefront of Scottish politics and discussion, and not just by the politicians either, but is still passionately debated by ordinary people from either side of the perspective. Considering, as well, that around one-third of those in favour of independence are supportive from an emotional point of view; it is unlikely that this debate will ever die down. I get the point being that Scottish people will be very worried about the state of the NHS, our education system etc. but independence as a debated 'solution' (word-choice may be appropriate or not depending on your perspective) is guaranteed to come up time and again - right or wrong.
Just more of the "Too Wee, Too Poor, Too Stupid" trope.
I cant understand why English are so angry about the idea of scotland going independent and at the same time say it wont affect England.
@@guywood2343 you have not made a point lol you have only stated a fact. Why get angry if it does not matter to you? Seems as if you just don't like the Scottish going by your comments. A very dumb point of view to have in this age. I believe its because England knows if scotland leave then Wales probably will aswell if scotland do well
@@guywood2343 ah now it's all clear. Appears your account is the same age as most bots on RUclips 😂. What a big surprise. Would also explain why you couldn't answer my question
@@guywood2343 say I'm insulting you and yet you are the one who has had 6 messages taken down in this video alone. Its very clear who is being insulting 😂
@@guywood2343 yea sure you did bwahahaha. Impressive taking down multiple videos from different threads by mistake 😂
People in England aren't angry about the idea of Scotland being independent, it will have a minimal impact on the UK, England makes up >80% of the UK economy and population. What is annoying is the political capital that is spent on an already "settled" debate, Scotland had its referendum and voted to remain in the UK, but keeps voting for a party that wants independence and so we end up with a Tory government hell bent on sucking as much wealth out of the nation through corruption and greed, this further irks the Scots so they vote SNP again and so the cycle continues.
I think what irritates other UK nations not just the English is how the SNP overtly act as if Scotland is some special set apart from the rest of us nation within the UK and stomps its feet at absolutely everything. It's nothing to do with Scottish people, its the politics currently representing Scotland.
Sooner we are independent the better. Brexit has been an absolute disaster! .... We would first join EFTA and then rejoin the EU.
@@guywood2343
If that were true, why is England so desperate to continue with the union? Why is England so frightened to stand on its own two feet?
@@guywood2343 wtf is scott? Ignoramus, just like your bizarre daily mail factoid you’re spreading over this comment section
@@guywood2343 The English government has become a joke; Boris Johnson;Liz Truss; Tax dodging Sunak...
Remind me what part of the English economy did Sunak impose a windfall tax on to subsidize energy costs?
Compare similar sized countries around Europe to Scotland, countries like;Denmark; Sweden; Finland; Ireland; Norway; Iceland... Apart from Norway, all of these countries have less resources than Scotland yet their citizens have a far better standard and quality of life than the people of Scotland and Wales. Why is that? Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because they're not governed by a privileged elite?
@@guywood2343why are you so angry about the idea of scotland going independent?
@@guywood2343
Absolute tosh. For one, how can Scotland leave Britain 😂😂😂
Two, that money you mentioned is only a third of Scotland's revenue. Imagine what we could achieve if we held on to all of it. 🏴🏴🏴
its not about all about the economy, the scottish are the same as the northern parts of england in a way, south England is way too saturated with income
I'm not sure what you mean by "way too saturated with income". *Public* spending per capita is far higher in Scotland than in the rest of the UK. A lot of that income you decry is taxed and the taxes are preferentially spent in Scotland.
@@richardokeefe7410 mate in the south your average house is £1 million pounds, in the north you can get a mansion for that price. Cokes are also like 3 quid for a can
The independence vote was 2014 not 2016! Seriously! And Scots who worked in England were not even allowed to vote! Get your facts straight and make a correct video! This is only the second one I've seen, and both have serious errors!
If Malta managed to go independent without any resources, and have a better economy then it did under UK rule plus lowest unemployment in the EU, I am sure Scotland can do same especially with its already established infrastructure, resources & level of education.
What if people just accepted what the Scottish public chose when they did have the choice?
times changed brexit is one indy vote was in 2014 brexit vote 2016
internal market bill stops Scotland from putting bills into scottish law that the scottish parliment have votted on
like un charter on childrens right stopped by wastemonster and a few others
People can change their minds. That is why we have elections. In addition, the newborn Scottish can wish for independence.
SNP are so desperate they'll soon be letting let babies vote before they're conceived. @@TheUgamau
@@TheUgamau there's a lot of 'cans' in your reply and your only stating the obvious. Scotland chose to stay part of the UK. And that's it.
Scotland economically is in a far better position than the rest of UK and that's why Westminster is so determined to stop us leaving. As for the English supreme court be considered any different from English courts because is certainly doesn't represent Scottish interests. Why are you inferring that you're not biased.
What about the Barnett Formula money. What will replace that
Aw bless, better whine to the EU and see what it'll cough up. I don't think even England can reasonably be expected to just go on subsidising ex-millstones.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 you do realise the barnett formula is just the tax take of scotland minus the 40% that england keeps right? contrary to popular belief, scots do pay tax. more per head than any other part of the uk, but see less in return from westminster than any other part of the uk
We want to stay the UK 🇬🇧
If the SNP are for something, you can be absolutely certain it's a bad idea. Under SNP rule, drug deaths in Scotland have ballooned, making it the drug death capital of Europe, standing head and shoulders above the rest. You can't tell me that this has nothing to do with SNP misrule. The SNP have been in control for a couple of decades and the death rate just keeps going up and up. In the 1980s I was treated by the NHS in Scotland and as far as I could tell it worked well.. But now, since the SNP have been running things? "In March 2023, the total number of patients waiting for treatment reached almost 627 thousand." That's more than ONE IN NINE people in Scotland waiting for treatment. If you care about the NHS in Scotland, you have got to get the SNP away from it. The waiting lists keep on getting worse and worse, like the drug deaths. And it's not as if they can blame the English. Health spending is devolved to the Scottish Parliament. "During 2022-23 tax revenue generated in Scotland, including North Sea oil revenues, amounted to £87.5 billion (8.6% of UK total). During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £106.6 billion in public spending (9.2% of UK total)." Tax revenue in Scotland includes UK taxes and Scottish taxes that remain in Scotland. Basically, even *with* North Sea oil, Scotland is still paid handsomely by England and Wales. If Scotland cuts loose from England and Wales, it will immediately be in serious financial trouble. Maybe some of the money Scotland would have got could be spent on the English+Welsh NHS.
@sumboi2321 The same statistical blunder as counting deaths *with* COVID as deaths *from* COVID? Colour me mildly surprised: I thought they'd realise that the figures look bad and stop doing that if they were doing that. Incompetent at covering up as well, eh?
I see "Scottish Independence" the same way I see the Church of England breaking away from the global Anglican communion. Primarily driven by the desire of a bunch of malignant and questionably competent people to be bigger frogs even at the price of living in a smaller pond. The CoE doesn't give a d##n for its rapidly dwindling congregations. The SNP doesn't give a d##n for the Scot in the streets of Glasgow or Aberdeen, still less the Highlands and Islands.
My views on unthirldom really don't matter. What matters is the well-being of the Scots. If the Scottish Parliament adopted sensible immigration policies, unthirldom could be the salvation of Scotland. It'd be nice if they ended up with a ruling party or parties that actually gave a d##n about the Scots.
just to add, *as part of the UK* so not a glowing endorsement of staying.
They would be mobbed and humza would saturate the whole of scotland with immigrants
Hey dude, I watch your videos on tiktok. did you create this channel just for fun or for education? you explained the history of other nations but you were cut it off. You know, history is sensitive and can cause big pros and cons. If you are unable to reset and can't explain fully, it is better to keep quiet.