I just started really sitting down and learning theory via piano and videos like this have really helped me make huge jumps in composing. (I've been playing a mix of classical and jazz guitar for probably 14 years now but seeing it on piano really helps picture the inversions and voice leading.) Thanks so much, Jeff!
The technical term for your 2/1 release is an appogiatura. It's a unprepared foreign note that is in dissonance with one of the chord's note (usually seventh or nineth dissonance) You were actually using the tonic superior appogiatura, mean to be resolved by descending a full step below en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appoggiatura
Love the keyboard below, and your straightforward approach. Thanks! Not overwhelming with effects, compressors, plates, reverbs. Focus on the basics - good stuff
Jeff, Definitely appreciate your remark of less is more, and I had the same feeling when listening to your pitch training video where you play C on top of C, Ab, etc. Perfect for setting the emotion on a sustained scene. I've done a video scoring where I had to do something different though and composed an orchestral musical score to tell a story along with the video because the video was time-lapse of the recent total eclipse -- interestingly, I'd say the eclipse itself is the "less is more" part of the video, except for the time during the point of totality, so the music has to carry more in that example. Or, at least it did for my ear. Thanks for your videos and thoughts on composing generally.
+David Fogel Thanks for the comment, David. And I think you’re right - there are definitely times when more is more, though I do feel like the tendency is to overwrite, so it’s important to audit one’s own music in order to make sure it’s just enough.
Jeff, love your videos, and I was actually feeling super inspired to do some film scoring today. Oddly enough, I also love Output's libraries, and was planning on mostly using analog strings today. Weird coincidence, but great video, the piece sounds awesome!
I love the 2-1 suspension. One of my favorite things to do, however, is to leave it unresolved. This makes for a great sound, especially if the tonic is voiced somewhere else, like in the bass.
Less is more ? I personnaly have a big problem with this kind of statement concerning filmscores. I'm not here to criticize your talent (cause you are talented !) but to give you some feedback about this work ! So....i'm sorry but for me that was no more no less than another hans zimmer like soundtrack. I here those all over youtube. No wonder that's a good formula. Use 4 chords over and over again and add a crescendo. But that's what Zimmer has beeen doing all the time since the beginning of the 2010's . Yes it makes a scene emotionnal, but creatively and in terms of meaningfullness, i think that this "less is more" approach to filmscoring is giving birth to the same sounds and clones of hans zimmer . Nowadays i sens that filmscoring is kinda dying because of that. Almost verything i hear in cinemas and tv films are emotionnal crescendos with 4 chords strings. In many ways williams, horner, elfman, giacchino , all those composers dont use that less is more technique . And their work is so rich interresting and add meaning to a scene than a simple effective and emotionnal adagio. Well that being said i love your content ! I just felt like sharing my opinion on the subject! No hate intended !
Thanks for this.... I didn't realise there are Hans Zimmer like soundtracks all over the internet. I'm getting into some work and I now shall be careful about not falling straight into that category, even though, as you said, it is actually quite nice!
I completely agree. It saddens me that nowadays everything is becoming more simple and streamlined. If you listen to Williams for example you can see that an incredible amount of work and thought goes into his film scores. He seamlessly connects themes and sections, finds so many ways to retell his melodies in different contexts, and his music always tells a story itself. Everyone is doing the Zimmer and Two Steps from Hell type of stuff, but you rarely see people trying to be like Williams, Korngold or Morricone. I get that it's so popular but imo it lacks soul and depth. It's like saying one sentence over and over again and just getting louder and changing your voice a little. Where is the story in that? Also Williams' scores aren't just 4 chords and they don't distract from the picture at all. They enrich what's on screen and without his music those films would never be what they are. I think the secret to film scoring lies in the work that the masters did before us. Not in some chord progression or less is more mentality. Anyway, I'm ranting. Everyone can like what they want. I'm just voicing my opinion.
This is the most disagreeing and respectful comment I found on RUclips and to be honest you can find some repeating 4 or 2 chords even in Compositions that are complicated like Willams's Compositions but he uses it for the right time not all the time 4 or 2 repeating chords are not bad just know when to use them
@@abdulalshibly3930 Yeah, I agree. He writes film scores though so he kinda has to use a harmonic language that "normal" listeners will be familiar with and understand. Nothing wrong with chord progressions at all. Repetition legitimises and gives people something to hold on to. And Zimmer's stuff isn't bad at all and surely has its place. I just wish more people would still pursue to perfect the craft of structure and thematic development which is something rarely seen in today's music for media.
BEAUTIFUL OPENER! I haven't watched the whole video yet, so I don't know about the Sound Library. But I'll just say if you guys have BBC Orchestra and spitfire Labs, that's all you will ever need. Both are free.
May you do a video on writing like a 3 min classical piece please?
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I think such versatile tools will eventually put Zimmer out of work, lol :D This sounds so interstallar-ish (even better, tbo). I am in love with this little piece. So simple, yet so moody, giving shivers.
Dude love your single at the end right up my alley What do I need to start this ? What piano what keyboard ? What else besides this program and software ? And what computer?
Thank you for sharing so much with us! Great video and very interesting subject. Wondering if you could make more videos talking about film scoring. I know that's not the main purpose of your channel but I'd love to know how you start working in this business, how you find clients, sell your music, how you deal with film score licensing... stuff like that. Thank you again!
Now I can see why output's stuff is expensive, and it is for those who really donb't have the time to connect wires like on Reason; they just want to get a sound very fast. In the life of he professional, time is of the essence; you got a few days to score someone's project, for example. I love the chord approach to composing, because I have hundreds of melodies looking to be harmonized and that is not a good place to be; Thinkspace got a video on 'melody or Chords: which comes first?; We would appreciate you giving an answer to this. Very helpful video, inspiring
I'd think of it as Am overall then the Bm is ii instead of iim7b5. That Bm is like A7 with 9 and 11 (A7 being common chord in C major, as VI7) so A Mixolydian explains F# and C#
@@SilloniusAeldarian if victor lee is really good at theory then why did u get twice the likes than victor himself? am i dumb and victor's post was sarcasm or what?
Hi Jeff, I have a question regarding timing when doing a filmscore. In the example presented in this video, I don't imagine it being a huge problem. If you were to do a piece for a scene with more action or just different shots from many angles, which program would be most helpful. I work in Logic as you do, but is there a program in which you can drag in the video, and follow the timing while working?
Well you don't even need a special program to do that. You could just have RUclips open and mute the video. But otherwise people do that inside final cut pro or Adobe premiere or after effects, etc.
you are refering to sus 2 and sus 4 chords and suspended 9 chords ;-) try also to drop the 2nd voice one whole octave, your range of scale notes will expand enormously
Hey Jeff. I'm a big fan of your channel man. I've got a question regarding arranging for strings. How do approach arranging for strings in a jazz context such as the Charlie Parker with strings album and the song Home Free by Nate Smith. Is there any literature or videos that you trust that you could direct me to? Thanks again. Your content has helped me grow a lot as a musician and composer.
Do you know any free music programmes that could be used if ur starting your film scoring expierience? Id love to try out analog strings, but it is way over my budget. By the way, i loved that composition. It kinda reminds me of zimmer's "time".
Were you given analog strings for free to do this video specifically? If so, I think it follows the paid promotion rules/laws for yt in the US. Like your videos, don't want you to get in trouble for stuff.
shitmandood it makes the difference between an unbiased review and a straight up advertisement disguised as a review.. when considering purchasing something you wouldn’t want to base your decision on the latter I reckon
@@strappinggermanlad Not like he is shouting run out and get it. He actually makes a great song with it - anyone with some brains should be able to figure out on their own whether it is for them or not. Just my 2 cents.
Are Output paying you Jeff, or giving you free software? It sounds like an advert for them... Better if you declare such things, otherwise it doesn't look honest.
Why 2 to 1?.. Isnt that note in middle or near the end of the chord triad? And if you tranposed the interval up an octave.. That would put it in around the 7th-6th..
Dammit, man. I can't get this idea out of my head. The 9-8 thing with open chords I mean. It seems like every time I sit down to write it always ends up creeping in somewhere.
Yes it makes sense that scoring doesn't want to detract from the viewing, one thing you do is to keep it simple but you are also respecting the ordinary types of harmony people use with strings and are channelling zimmer a bit too! I guess the balance is between interest, and getting too far out of the box that people really notice the music
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That vinyl scratch scared the shit out of me man
That made me furious!! uh.. fast and furious
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I just started really sitting down and learning theory via piano and videos like this have really helped me make huge jumps in composing. (I've been playing a mix of classical and jazz guitar for probably 14 years now but seeing it on piano really helps picture the inversions and voice leading.) Thanks so much, Jeff!
The technical term for your 2/1 release is an appogiatura. It's a unprepared foreign note that is in dissonance with one of the chord's note (usually seventh or nineth dissonance) You were actually using the tonic superior appogiatura, mean to be resolved by descending a full step below en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appoggiatura
I’ve watched so many videos on people teaching film scoring tips and this is one of the first where I actually like the song the person writes.
That’s awesome! Thank you :)
Love the keyboard below, and your straightforward approach. Thanks! Not overwhelming with effects, compressors, plates, reverbs. Focus on the basics - good stuff
The best video on how you can use Analog Strings the right way in your project so far!
Jeff, Definitely appreciate your remark of less is more, and I had the same feeling when listening to your pitch training video where you play C on top of C, Ab, etc. Perfect for setting the emotion on a sustained scene. I've done a video scoring where I had to do something different though and composed an orchestral musical score to tell a story along with the video because the video was time-lapse of the recent total eclipse -- interestingly, I'd say the eclipse itself is the "less is more" part of the video, except for the time during the point of totality, so the music has to carry more in that example. Or, at least it did for my ear. Thanks for your videos and thoughts on composing generally.
+David Fogel Thanks for the comment, David. And I think you’re right - there are definitely times when more is more, though I do feel like the tendency is to overwrite, so it’s important to audit one’s own music in order to make sure it’s just enough.
Jeff, love your videos, and I was actually feeling super inspired to do some film scoring today. Oddly enough, I also love Output's libraries, and was planning on mostly using analog strings today. Weird coincidence, but great video, the piece sounds awesome!
I love the 2-1 suspension. One of my favorite things to do, however, is to leave it unresolved. This makes for a great sound, especially if the tonic is voiced somewhere else, like in the bass.
The first 4 chords from Inception but transposed. Sounds so great :)
Less is more ? I personnaly have a big problem with this kind of statement concerning filmscores. I'm not here to criticize your talent (cause you are talented !) but to give you some feedback about this work ! So....i'm sorry but for me that was no more no less than another hans zimmer like soundtrack. I here those all over youtube. No wonder that's a good formula. Use 4 chords over and over again and add a crescendo. But that's what Zimmer has beeen doing all the time since the beginning of the 2010's . Yes it makes a scene emotionnal, but creatively and in terms of meaningfullness, i think that this "less is more" approach to filmscoring is giving birth to the same sounds and clones of hans zimmer . Nowadays i sens that filmscoring is kinda dying because of that. Almost verything i hear in cinemas and tv films are emotionnal crescendos with 4 chords strings. In many ways williams, horner, elfman, giacchino , all those composers dont use that less is more technique . And their work is so rich interresting and add meaning to a scene than a simple effective and emotionnal adagio. Well that being said i love your content ! I just felt like sharing my opinion on the subject! No hate intended !
Great comment!
Thanks for this.... I didn't realise there are Hans Zimmer like soundtracks all over the internet. I'm getting into some work and I now shall be careful about not falling straight into that category, even though, as you said, it is actually quite nice!
I completely agree. It saddens me that nowadays everything is becoming more simple and streamlined. If you listen to Williams for example you can see that an incredible amount of work and thought goes into his film scores. He seamlessly connects themes and sections, finds so many ways to retell his melodies in different contexts, and his music always tells a story itself.
Everyone is doing the Zimmer and Two Steps from Hell type of stuff, but you rarely see people trying to be like Williams, Korngold or Morricone. I get that it's so popular but imo it lacks soul and depth. It's like saying one sentence over and over again and just getting louder and changing your voice a little. Where is the story in that? Also Williams' scores aren't just 4 chords and they don't distract from the picture at all. They enrich what's on screen and without his music those films would never be what they are.
I think the secret to film scoring lies in the work that the masters did before us. Not in some chord progression or less is more mentality.
Anyway, I'm ranting. Everyone can like what they want. I'm just voicing my opinion.
This is the most disagreeing and respectful comment I found on RUclips and to be honest you can find some repeating 4 or 2 chords even in Compositions that are complicated like Willams's Compositions but he uses it for the right time not all the time 4 or 2 repeating chords are not bad just know when to use them
@@abdulalshibly3930 Yeah, I agree. He writes film scores though so he kinda has to use a harmonic language that "normal" listeners will be familiar with and understand. Nothing wrong with chord progressions at all. Repetition legitimises and gives people something to hold on to. And Zimmer's stuff isn't bad at all and surely has its place. I just wish more people would still pursue to perfect the craft of structure and thematic development which is something rarely seen in today's music for media.
Yes, I like also like using Film Scoring as the contextual platform for the theory. You are a genius!
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I haven't watched the whole video yet, so I don't know about the Sound Library. But I'll just say if you guys have BBC Orchestra and spitfire Labs, that's all you will ever need. Both are free.
The interstellar vibes there !
+Benny Damien - Yep, just add pipe organ ;-) No, seriously: love the chord progression and the sound programming. Awesome!
I saw this now and i just want to say thank you so much! I learned a lot from this!
great stuff. would love to see more picture scoring videos!
Thanks for showing us the in-depth exploration of Analog Strings
thanks for the video, great tips and great instrument too! Greetings from Germany
This is a great video. Thank you for posting.
You are the best teacher. Thank you for these awesome videos.
Thank for that! Much appreciated
Huge Interstellar/The Thin Red Aline feels to it. I dig it.
I was waiting for the rocket to explode.
Great video & beautiful score! 👍
May you do a video on writing like a 3 min classical piece please?
I think such versatile tools will eventually put Zimmer out of work, lol :D This sounds so interstallar-ish (even better, tbo). I am in love with this little piece. So simple, yet so moody, giving shivers.
Dude love your single at the end right up my alley
What do I need to start this ?
What piano what keyboard ?
What else besides this program and software ?
And what computer?
Thank you for sharing so much with us! Great video and very interesting subject. Wondering if you could make more videos talking about film scoring. I know that's not the main purpose of your channel but I'd love to know how you start working in this business, how you find clients, sell your music, how you deal with film score licensing... stuff like that. Thank you again!
Nice composition Bro, your awesome 💪🏽
dude that melody nuance is intriguing
Thanks Ian:)
Another great video, always learn something and I get inspired too.
Legitimately just got done making up a melody and getting inspiration from just one chord and im not even done with the video lol
I will definitely check out this program!
Now I can see why output's stuff is expensive, and it is for those who really donb't have the time to connect wires like on Reason; they just want to get a sound very fast. In the life of he professional, time is of the essence; you got a few days to score someone's project, for example.
I love the chord approach to composing, because I have hundreds of melodies looking to be harmonized and that is not a good place to be; Thinkspace got a video on 'melody or Chords: which comes first?;
We would appreciate you giving an answer to this.
Very helpful video, inspiring
Thank you so much! Awesomevideo!
what is the key center in your mind when composing this?
I'd think of it as Am overall then the Bm is ii instead of iim7b5. That Bm is like A7 with 9 and 11 (A7 being common chord in C major, as VI7) so A Mixolydian explains F# and C#
Victor Lee dang ...u really good at theory
@@SilloniusAeldarian if victor lee is really good at theory then why did u get twice the likes than victor himself? am i dumb and victor's post was sarcasm or what?
Please do more on Film scoring :)
Amazing job Jeff thank you so much
Danke schön für die tipps
Two words. . . black Friday. . . im ready to grab this shit. Thank you.
Very cool progression. Thank you for the video!
Maybe an irrelevant question but I'm curious to know what is the set up that makes the keys on screen turn green each time you press them? Thanks
Hi Jeff,
I have a question regarding timing when doing a filmscore. In the example presented in this video, I don't imagine it being a huge problem. If you were to do a piece for a scene with more action or just different shots from many angles, which program would be most helpful. I work in Logic as you do, but is there a program in which you can drag in the video, and follow the timing while working?
Well you don't even need a special program to do that. You could just have RUclips open and mute the video. But otherwise people do that inside final cut pro or Adobe premiere or after effects, etc.
You probably know this by now but you can do this in Logic Pro X! Also in reaper and Ableton and probably other DAWs
you are refering to sus 2 and sus 4 chords and suspended 9 chords ;-) try also to drop the 2nd voice one whole octave, your range of scale notes will expand enormously
Have you watched Stranger Things Jeff? It has some amazing music imo!
+FranTheMusicLegend Agreed!!
Really nice retro sounds on there hey.
Duuuude do more film scoring lessons/stuff besides RnB !!
Hey Jeff. I'm a big fan of your channel man. I've got a question regarding arranging for strings. How do approach arranging for strings in a jazz context such as the Charlie Parker with strings album and the song Home Free by Nate Smith. Is there any literature or videos that you trust that you could direct me to?
Thanks again. Your content has helped me grow a lot as a musician and composer.
Got that Hanz Zimmer vibe going on, really like this
thanks for the tips!
Cool,thanks Jeff!
So, which key Is that?
Great i really like your tutorial
Do you know any free music programmes that could be used if ur starting your film scoring expierience? Id love to try out analog strings, but it is way over my budget. By the way, i loved that composition. It kinda reminds me of zimmer's "time".
Tape orchestra @8:55 is awesome
What software/program/application are you using to record on? Pro tools? Logic...?
Logic Pro
Thanks for this video! What software are you using to show your keyboard - the played keys showing in green?
I'm pretty sure he is just recording the on-screen piano in the software "Logic" for OS X
I tried .. it’s all a blur to me .. I write what’s in my heart not knowing the technicalities or theory that goes behind it
Who knew take off could be so epic!!!
:)
A take off in of itself is already epic
that clock sounded like interstellar
can anyone PLEASE tell me why that specific chord progression, which key or mode is it in?
Nice video. And nice sweater.
Your tip is si help full
Can you talk about music for commercials?
Were you given analog strings for free to do this video specifically? If so, I think it follows the paid promotion rules/laws for yt in the US.
Like your videos, don't want you to get in trouble for stuff.
He does say they gave it to him. What else does he have to disclose?
Well, he didn't say it specifically. When I heard him say it, it sounded like he had an eval copy. What diff does it make though?
shitmandood it makes the difference between an unbiased review and a straight up advertisement disguised as a review.. when considering purchasing something you wouldn’t want to base your decision on the latter I reckon
@@strappinggermanlad Not like he is shouting run out and get it. He actually makes a great song with it - anyone with some brains should be able to figure out on their own whether it is for them or not. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks jeff
hiii could you tell me what is program are you using?
its weird that the white keys are yellowish!
Nice jeff👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Makes me feel like I'm marching to a red line ;)
Thank you. And if possible please let us know how Bm exists in Am
I think it like it's iidim chord in A minor just turned into ii. One note difference.
Very good explanation of how to sound like every other action movie soundtrack or advertisement.
Amazing!
Fascinating...
damn that scratch made me jump wtf
Sunshine def sounds like something James Blake could use
Are you still doing Skype lessons??
Are Output paying you Jeff, or giving you free software? It sounds like an advert for them... Better if you declare such things, otherwise it doesn't look honest.
10:18 dopeeee
How do you get work as a film scorer
Hustle. Meet directors, producers, editors. Make great music.
great
Why 2 to 1?.. Isnt that note in middle or near the end of the chord triad? And if you tranposed the interval up an octave.. That would put it in around the 7th-6th..
3:45 was starting to sound like avatar for a minute there
How do you record or do your strings ?
Do record them note by note or you play them as chords?
4:28 9-8
Such chord progressions are quite easily done on guitar: you just move up the fretboard two frets et voila.
Dammit, man. I can't get this idea out of my head. The 9-8 thing with open chords I mean. It seems like every time I sit down to write it always ends up creeping in somewhere.
Yes it makes sense that scoring doesn't want to detract from the viewing, one thing you do is to keep it simple but you are also respecting the ordinary types of harmony people use with strings and are channelling zimmer a bit too! I guess the balance is between interest, and getting too far out of the box that people really notice the music
Four chord progressions also work for today's mindless pop songs. This is great though!
lol, sounds like hans zimmer
Maybe because it is the first 4 chords from Inception 😉
imma 18 year old film scorer... i mean i compose on my laptop but have no... experience at all, rookie really :)
nice hair :)
Appoggiatura
It's a suspension
Dfghdfgh Uytiu oh right hahah
But muh parallel fifths! Just kidding, nobody should care about that for scoring to picture.
so 13 minutes to say less is more and go buy this vst? cool.
Thanks for the feedback
777 likes... I hate to ruin a good number. 778 :)
Ok now I know why movies sound like shit today. Analog strings.
Hi Jeff Schneider! That vinyl scratch told me you've got the mentality of an eleven year old. Immediately invalidated anything else you had to say.
Scratch was not good my friend!!!!!
Parallel lines and no tension resolution. I am not really liking this piece.
So this is an advertisement, is terrible How is disguise as a scoring lesson but is in all essence is an ad