Chapo Trap House - Reviewing The Many Saints of Newark

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  • @eduardosuarez2414
    @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +298

    i must be loyle to my chapo

    • @LloydWaldo
      @LloydWaldo 2 года назад +26

      I manuged to get the drop on him

    • @darrynmurphy2038
      @darrynmurphy2038 2 года назад +6

      Wittiest pun I've seen in a long while

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +10

      @@LloydWaldo It's actually "the drip." Go get ya f%$&*n shine box

    • @LloydWaldo
      @LloydWaldo 2 года назад +8

      @@eduardosuarez2414 ooooohh I gotta sit here bein’ threatened?

    • @Rick_Riff
      @Rick_Riff Год назад

      Oh no he dident

  • @nedders14
    @nedders14 2 года назад +142

    This absurd movie makes the most sense if watched through the lens that it was written and directed by Christopher

    • @manifesto_mindset
      @manifesto_mindset 2 года назад +6

      Lmfao

    • @jhnoakez
      @jhnoakez 2 года назад +11

      Holy shit. I think you made this whole mess make sense. He always wanted to make a cliche mob movie.

    • @Mr-DNA
      @Mr-DNA 2 года назад +8

      I must be loyle to my capo

    • @PurushaDesa
      @PurushaDesa 2 года назад +3

      I honestly didn’t know until I watched the Sopranos credits flash up that Michael Imperioli is a writer. As the episode unfolded I was like, “Oh shit. That’s why he’s so good at playing a bad writer cos it’s everything he despises and knows not to do!”

    • @shanemac1646
      @shanemac1646 Год назад

      @@PurushaDesathe idiotic Buddhism arc was 100% put in by him, he’s a practicing Buddhist

  • @iannordin5250
    @iannordin5250 2 года назад +133

    Apparently Chase didn't actually want to make this a Sopranos sequal. He wanted to make a series about the Newark Race riots but the only vehicle the studio would allow him to carry said topic was the Sopranos - which Chase had to sort of begrudgingly force in.

    • @BigHomieGayAss1917
      @BigHomieGayAss1917 2 года назад +12

      Fortunately that fact doesn’t come through at all

    • @mfboom3055
      @mfboom3055 2 года назад +17

      Such a shame how screenwriters have to jump through hoops like this. You can't create an interesting, original concept without having to disguise it as an unwanted sequel or prequel.

    • @olivercoulter260
      @olivercoulter260 2 года назад +10

      Damn thats crazy. I thought the poor bastard would have enough clout to make whatever wanted. David simon gets to serve up diminishing returns on multiple occasions

    • @GrimReader
      @GrimReader 2 года назад +4

      Letting him off a bit light there. He could just stick by his guns, Simon was able to make “We own this City” set in Baltimore and there’s nothing connecting it to The Wire.

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +12

      @@GrimReader Not really the same thing; WOTC is clearly trading on the success of The Wire because it's about policing in Baltimore, half the cast is from The Wire, and it's even shot like The Wire. However he did make Treme and he obviously wasn't forced to make it about the war on drugs.

  • @Mark-jr6ld
    @Mark-jr6ld 2 года назад +32

    "Gaba- ghoulish!! Two thumbs 'AY!' down! Fughet about this movie!"

  • @hyperionman420
    @hyperionman420 2 года назад +102

    I'm such a god damned easily pleased soprano consoomer that the last five minutes saved the whole movie for me. The classic theme kicks in and I turn into a open-mouthed mcu post credit scene manbaby.

  • @joshmccollen700
    @joshmccollen700 2 года назад +30

    It should have been a miniseries. That would have provided an opportunity to avoid everything wrong with the film. Particularly the opportunity to inform on the original series.

  • @shanemac1646
    @shanemac1646 Год назад +7

    The American mafia was at the height of its power when this movie was set. Black gangs and the Italian mafia did "battle it out" in Newark, but it was largely one-sided. Black gangsters had to pay money to the Italian mafia. Great book "five families" which speaks about Tumac Acceturo who led the Lucchese family Jersey Faction, and his successful efforts to take over the black neighborhood rackets.

  • @PR0MAN01
    @PR0MAN01 2 года назад +29

    The best part this movie adds to the Sopranos lore, is that it makes the moment Tony gives Chrissy the identity of his dad's killer just stupidly petty in a darkly comedic way. That guy probably didn't kill Christy's dad, he's probably just some asshole Tony wanted dead and used the lie he killed Dickie as an excuse to get someone else to kill him. While also getting loyalty from Chris for a whole of 5 minutes.

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +12

      I thought all that was pretty explicit in the episode.

    • @ma2ko
      @ma2ko 2 года назад +4

      It was obvious that Tony lied to Chrissy even back then. It showed how little tony cared for Chrissy at that point of their relationship. He simultaneously used him while pretending to help him.

    • @jzenhenko
      @jzenhenko 2 года назад +1

      @@eduardosuarez2414 I always thought the guy did it, he starts apologizing when its obvious that Chris is going to kill him.

    • @princegobi5992
      @princegobi5992 2 года назад

      @@jzenhenko in the way you’d say anything with a gun to your head and it was obvious the person wants you dead.

    • @jzenhenko
      @jzenhenko 2 года назад

      @@princegobi5992 why would admitting he killed chris's dad make chris not want to kill him? he has a reason to. if hes the wrong guy then chris has no personal beef with him and its just going off tony's orders

  • @thats4thebirds
    @thats4thebirds 2 года назад +32

    Reading out that Felix paragraph was such a wild juxtaposition, bc I’m so used to him just saying the dumbest thing Ill hear for the day.

    • @BigHomieGayAss1917
      @BigHomieGayAss1917 2 года назад +23

      Underestimate Felix’s Guild Navigator brain at your own risk

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +12

      35:05 "Well y...yeah... well like, the one, so like, when he's playing the grandfather, like, I don't know, like, i... fir.. like, Ray Liotta's face looks like he's like... a cat that ate a bee."

    • @thats4thebirds
      @thats4thebirds 2 года назад +3

      @@eduardosuarez2414 balance

  • @kdotmann
    @kdotmann 2 года назад +11

    Michael Gandolfini was easily the best part of the movie. I didn’t hate it as much as most people, but I certainly didn’t love it. I almost feel like I can’t even judge it. The knowledge of its relationship to The Sopranos essentially caused my brain to short circuit throughout much of the movie.

  • @PurushaDesa
    @PurushaDesa 2 года назад +14

    “A Sopranos Story.”
    Horrified by the exec turned on by that pitch.

  • @mikem4314
    @mikem4314 2 года назад +16

    i saw this in theaters with my friend and used the bathroom during the scene in which it's revealed that Ray Liota is playing 2 twin brothers. when i got back to my seat and my friend filled me in, my jaw pretty much dropped to the floor

    • @tph2010
      @tph2010 Год назад +6

      It'd be funnier if he didn't tell you

  • @eugenebebs7767
    @eugenebebs7767 2 года назад +48

    Gonna start my own discord mafia to extort brooklyn podcasters

    • @kushxclinton
      @kushxclinton 2 года назад +2

      let’s fucking do it

    • @PR0MAN01
      @PR0MAN01 2 года назад

      "If you don't give us 1/3 of your patreon revenue, we'll leak a DM of you saying BTS sucks and you'll be murdered by kpop stans"

    • @debra-sue
      @debra-sue 2 года назад

      somewhere on reddit, someone basically already beat you to the punch, awoo

  • @topleybird2443
    @topleybird2443 2 года назад +35

    The issue with the idea that Felix put forth that the mafia can’t exist in a de-industrialised society is that it’s not true: that’s where they do best. Just look at the places where criminal syndicates have reached their evolutionary apex: Italy, Japan, and Russia, where all the big mafia holdings just essentially became banks. The issue is that the US economy is so “open” that the local market for organised crime got completely swamped by people who have been at this state of affairs for longer (since the 90s for the three groups above) that the US small business tyrant Tony Soprano can’t compete, he doesn’t know how.

    • @BigHomieGayAss1917
      @BigHomieGayAss1917 2 года назад +9

      Yes, but what Felix says does absolutely hold up for the Midwest and especially in large Rust Belt cities. Hell, it even applies to smaller, carved out rustbelt cities like the one I live in

    • @berdyderg900
      @berdyderg900 2 года назад

      Yeah man, definitely in those other countries that we hate like Russia and not in America, the core of modern empire...
      Or even London, the city that literally only exists due to lax international banking regulations...
      Russia though...

    • @topleybird2443
      @topleybird2443 2 года назад +4

      @@berdyderg900 What are you talking about, are you denying that Russian mobsters are good at crime?

    • @berdyderg900
      @berdyderg900 2 года назад +1

      @@topleybird2443 I'm sure some of them are great at it and some of them aren't, just like anywhere else that exists or any field of work. I just thought your framing (and likely worldview) were detached enough to be considered funny, that's all.

    • @iannordin5250
      @iannordin5250 2 года назад

      The Yakuza are having the same exact issues as the American mob with their own rico-esque laws and economic downturn quite literally aging the powerful clans to death. The Russian mob is basically a state asset at this point and its glory days of the 90s/2000s are way behind it.

  • @rileyrobertson7067
    @rileyrobertson7067 2 года назад +31

    Genuinely curious if Chase once had an ability to write/craft a tight, entertaining & meaningful film that gets a message across in three acts whuch ultimately atrophied when he (self described/admittedly) "Sold out" to spend thirty years in Television?
    Or if his skillset is just one that lends itself to the format & pacing of longform storytelling via Television and its that inability *to* write/craft a great film that feeds his deeply felt insecurities towards TV (Though its very likely a generational perspective too) as well as the glorification of film

    • @LloydWaldo
      @LloydWaldo 2 года назад +2

      I think he’s just honestly suited to television as a writer. It’s obvious that he gets very invested in gray characters who are complex and contradictory. How he leveraged television to portray those characters literally showed the way for all the best series in history: Mad Men, The Wire, Break Bad/BCS and others. Without Chase (and Gandolfini), this era of television wouldn’t have come about the way it did.
      I think after Gandolfini died, that was like losing a partner for Chase. Someone who deeply understood his work and could make it come to life. He never was able to find that again.

  • @fugaziman2838
    @fugaziman2838 Год назад +7

    Hated the film but I tihnk that the take on the Ray Liotta thing was off - he didn't REALLY have a brother, I think that the idea is that it's a dream sequence kind of thing, the idea of having a version of his father that was the opposite of what his dad was in real life (measured, thoughtful and cultured cos he likes Miles Davis). This dream sequence theory is bolstered by the fact he tells him that he wants to host kids baseball teams or something and then visually fantasizes about it - also the coloring of the room is dreamy and it also justifies him being visually identical to his father.

  • @mokukiridashi
    @mokukiridashi 2 года назад +27

    37:00 (somewhere around here) , I don't agree that Melfi was a bad psychiatrist. She did "help" Tony with his panic attacks, and although that didn't make him "better", just a more "functional" criminal, the way she was dealing with him was mostly appropriate up to the point she realized she wasn't helping him. (It portrays some of the problems and limitations with psychiatry, but not entirely dismissing it). The discussions that she was having with him were at least approaching the source of some of the problems.

    • @PR0MAN01
      @PR0MAN01 2 года назад +6

      I think her plotline in a writing sense kinda derailed after Livs actress died. Without his mother around anymore, Tony's therapy sessions just become this series of circular conversations.

    • @folx2733
      @folx2733 Год назад +4

      the show makes a point multiple times about how Tony just encorporated the advice he got from therapy to improve his organized crime enterprise, he just got along better with his employees he extorted and killed other people with. no direct problem was ever identified or solved that stopped him from hating his life/family and murdering his best friend, lol. Carmela's jewish therapist character literally says that he's not going to accept blood money, and he doesn't have any sympathy for her mental health dilemmas when she's continuing to enjoy the comfort of that lifestyle

  • @MarxistLasagnaist420
    @MarxistLasagnaist420 2 года назад +16

    The movie was excellently casted but that’s about it. Really felt like it didn’t tell any of the important parts of Dickies life and for sure could have used more Johny Boy also don’t have John Bernthal play Johnny Boy

    • @ugliestjbfan4040
      @ugliestjbfan4040 2 года назад +1

      Excellently casted with the exception of the Silvio guy. I mean what the fuck was that

    • @MarxistLasagnaist420
      @MarxistLasagnaist420 2 года назад

      @@ugliestjbfan4040 I don’t remember it being that bad? Silvio is a goofy looking person.

  • @GrimReader
    @GrimReader 5 месяцев назад +5

    Felix very quiet at the criticism of Chase being unable to write black characters cause he’d have to admit a certain other GOAT show could and did at the same time

  • @telophasemusic
    @telophasemusic 2 года назад +12

    ...i liked the ending, i guess.
    weird that uncle dickie was the protagonist, or that they even made a sopranos prequel, but i dunno

  • @karltonkinley3745
    @karltonkinley3745 2 года назад +14

    oh here we go. any and all chapo/sopranos content is a dub

    • @supermarx
      @supermarx 2 года назад

      All this mafia shit is just an extension of parochial new york bullshit. Royal watching for Americans.

  • @wyattrussell7496
    @wyattrussell7496 2 года назад +8

    It's like if the goodfellas wrote the goodfellas.

  • @grayearly3116
    @grayearly3116 Год назад +7

    What's crazy is that we actually love mob stories y'all didn't need to add any black folks we love some cliche Italians in suits clipping wise guys. I've literally never met another black person who doesn't love the sopranos

    • @rishishard4742
      @rishishard4742 2 месяца назад +1

      This movie is the one time conservatives were right about forced diversity or whatever

  • @sappy441
    @sappy441 2 года назад +14

    i'm not gay

    • @BigHomieGayAss1917
      @BigHomieGayAss1917 2 года назад +7

      👎

    • @debra-sue
      @debra-sue 2 года назад +1

      the first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one

  • @CoatCheckDream.
    @CoatCheckDream. 2 года назад +10

    Bet the fellows feel bad about mocking Ray Liota's appearance now

    • @PurushaDesa
      @PurushaDesa 2 года назад +2

      In fairness, he doesn’t look like that anymore.

  • @kienanlyons5061
    @kienanlyons5061 14 дней назад +1

    It needed to be an 8 episode mini series. Way too many characters and stories squeezed into two hours. The Harold vs Dicky rivalry could have been good if we actually spent more time with it.

  • @MH-dy5pb
    @MH-dy5pb 2 года назад +9

    I liked it and was surprised how many people hated it. I haven't rewatched it because I'm afraid I wont like it.

    • @jj947
      @jj947 2 года назад +4

      I liked it fine. It wasn’t brilliant, but it was about what I wanted, essentially a 90 minute episode of the show. Making Sopranos “more cinematic” makes it no longer The Sopranos.

  • @stevengodoy6896
    @stevengodoy6896 2 года назад +6

    These guys could've recorded this at the mob joint that's a couple of blocks from Cobble Hill Cinema, come on guys!

    • @stevengodoy6896
      @stevengodoy6896 2 года назад +1

      Also yes, the movie is intentionally bad because it's told by a dead Christopher, who was a bad movie maker himself. The movie is colored as if it was made by Christopher in his afterlife.

  • @KennethKaniff999
    @KennethKaniff999 3 месяца назад

    Will's "thank you" bit was so funny

  • @skis_injeans
    @skis_injeans 2 года назад +5

    Neil Young on the moon

  • @Louie_The_Dago
    @Louie_The_Dago 2 года назад +21

    Moltisanti actually translates to Many Saints

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +3

      I think I might have heard that before somewhere oh yeah it was near the start of this clip.

    • @Louie_The_Dago
      @Louie_The_Dago 2 года назад

      @@eduardosuarez2414 no it wasnt

    • @seanankerr2864
      @seanankerr2864 3 месяца назад

      Hi, I’m from the future, they say it just after the 2.50 mark.

    • @Louie_The_Dago
      @Louie_The_Dago 3 месяца назад

      @@seanankerr2864 too late

  • @blahblahblah9844
    @blahblahblah9844 Год назад +3

    I think the deleted scenes were decent in showing how demonic Johnny Boys temper was and how shit of a dad he was.

  • @tph2010
    @tph2010 Год назад +1

    I thought they were joking about baby Christopher knowing Tony will kill him in the future, then I saw the movie....

  • @thats4thebirds
    @thats4thebirds 2 года назад +12

    What a weird reading of the MC:
    “He went to a black poetry reading and said I’m gonna do bigger crimes”
    It’s literally about taking control. That’s all. Someone from a historically oppressed community with a lack of control sees something that has routinely been attributed for awakening a sense of personal control in many peoples lives during civil rights movements.
    So yeah. It makes perfect sense that someone in that time would go there and desire self actualization. Sure that self actualization may be within the circumstances of their choices in crime, but we really gonna pretend Tony wasn’t grappling with literally this same shit?
    It’s just something they seem more than willing to apply to Tony.
    I dunno this just seems like complaints about it not being their sopranos and less about engaging with it beyond “it was two dimensional so it shouldn’t hVe been tried at all” instead of seeking for a deeper lens.
    I have plenty of problems with the movie and thing it generally didn’t need to exist, but damn it’s like they’re actively trolling in the way they talk about this.

  • @emmy8526
    @emmy8526 2 года назад +3

    Matt, king as usual: 1:12:00

  • @umusuuk
    @umusuuk 2 года назад +3

    the porn industry would have better scripts and cinematography if the Mafia was back in charge.

  • @nachomanrandysauvage8257
    @nachomanrandysauvage8257 2 года назад +11

    Many Saints wasn’t great and should have been at least one season instead of crammed into two hours. But it mostly suffered from le epic internet circle jerks, like Last of Us 2. I’ve watched the entire tv series through twice and some of the revisionists ignore that there are a ton of weak boring episodes. It’s a great show, but the Sopranos twitter cult is tiresome at best.

  • @monsignorerasmus.6441
    @monsignorerasmus.6441 2 года назад +1

    If they hadn't got rid of lawn darts, Shawn of the dead would have been very different.

  • @notrdy4thisjelly546
    @notrdy4thisjelly546 2 года назад +1

    I loved it at first but my opinion gets lower and lower with time. There's a lot i still like in it but its a pretty messy full package.

  • @RIP_Greedo
    @RIP_Greedo 2 года назад +13

    Italianx boy magic

  • @ericbright1881
    @ericbright1881 2 года назад +5

    Worse than The Sopranos Monopoly

  • @steelersguy74
    @steelersguy74 2 года назад +1

    Wait, someone actually did a “Millennials Are Killing The Mafia”?

  • @tapset
    @tapset Год назад +1

    Many saints: a Harold story. And they show the blind kids at the funeral so it's def real

  • @edwardwood6532
    @edwardwood6532 2 года назад +1

    Am I the only one who didn't think it was horrible? Then again I was not expecting anything great.

  • @mj.l
    @mj.l 2 года назад +2

    i enjoyed seeing that joey diaz creepo get whacked

  • @ashayguevara
    @ashayguevara 2 года назад +4

    Bahfangoo that movie.

  • @antondalemma5484
    @antondalemma5484 2 года назад

    Almost made it to ten minute mark before the narration forced me to shut it down.

  • @TrillgataQ
    @TrillgataQ 2 года назад +1

    Saw the movie in theaters, more like The Many Saints of Poo-farts if you ask me.

  • @bengallup9321
    @bengallup9321 2 года назад +4

    Out of curiosity....the hosts mention the original show had more leftist analysis friendly content, how exactly?

    • @jj947
      @jj947 2 года назад +22

      You can view the shows portrayal of the main characters as a critique of American culture and economy.
      Just one example, the mobster characters reminisce fondly about the “old school” gangsters and their “honor” while in the 21st century they’ll flip the moment any of them are slightly inconvenienced.

    • @kushxclinton
      @kushxclinton 2 года назад +4

      when i first watched it, I thought of sopranos as a critique of white american society and people who begin to lose touch

    • @IndieGinge
      @IndieGinge 2 года назад +1

      To piggy back off that, it's venemous towards both mainstream sides of Amerocan political discourse. The mobsters are largely conservative and of course hypocritical monsters (they're the mafia, duh) that highlight some of the absurdity of venerating the past or clinging to old ways when it's not useful, while the conniving, fake, weak, holier-than-thou hypocrisy of characters coded as liberal is a snapshot of how the people who climb the American ladder in the modern era suck.
      I don't think Chase is a leftist, but a relatively even handed critique of American culture that actually has verisimilitude will give a LOT of fodder for a ledt-wing reading.

    • @kushxclinton
      @kushxclinton 2 года назад

      @@IndieGinge really well said.

    • @thel33tpenguinftw40
      @thel33tpenguinftw40 2 года назад +6

      @@jj947 the show also makes clear that the sort of "honour" they're talking about never existed. All the flashbacks to the old school mobsters show that they're just as shitty as the modern ones and the only thing that separates them is that the modern ones are fighting over scraps

  • @TheManWithNoNickname13
    @TheManWithNoNickname13 7 месяцев назад

    Hey what was the metal song in the trailer.

  • @cleanremarks
    @cleanremarks 2 года назад +22

    Felix's bits are becoming dangerously mid.

  • @BigBearMan
    @BigBearMan Год назад +1

    Was Harold supposed to be the black preacher Tony does staged protest fights with in the show?

  • @Exodus26.13Pi
    @Exodus26.13Pi 2 года назад

    "we need another that sucks"

  • @Giannis_V82
    @Giannis_V82 2 года назад +1

    The film was dreadful bar the cast. It lacked any kind of nuance that made the series great.

  • @pltrd8348
    @pltrd8348 Год назад

    artie bucco being what? joke at the end?

  • @joshsawyerstreamvods
    @joshsawyerstreamvods 2 года назад +1

    I was bored and disturbed by that film

  • @stephenrea3537
    @stephenrea3537 Год назад

    I am one of the people who saw this in the theater. Big mistake

  • @blah146568766i87
    @blah146568766i87 2 года назад

    I liked it and thought it was funny.

  • @gayfakenamestine5966
    @gayfakenamestine5966 Год назад

    I saw it in the theater lol

  • @scottjohnson9799
    @scottjohnson9799 2 года назад

    Once you become aware of how many times they say "like" it's like becoming aware of your breathing: you can't stop noticing it and it slowly drives you insane.

  • @raptormoments
    @raptormoments 2 года назад

    Guest pronouncing it Soprohnos is enraging

  • @oddysysorry
    @oddysysorry 2 года назад +1

    i already hate the sopranos and think its a truly terrible show and has like one redeeming quality ~ the duck ~ , and this looks even worse lol

    • @frizzletot
      @frizzletot Год назад +2

      Damn how does it feel to be wrong

    • @oddysysorry
      @oddysysorry Год назад

      @@frizzletot it feels great to be right, thanks hot stuff.

    • @IndieGinge
      @IndieGinge 7 месяцев назад +1

      Damn, I wanna know why you think it's terrible. I get not liking it, but it seems objectively solid to me. Like, idk, I've seen terrible tv and it's obvious to me that The Sopranos is not terrible.

  • @dereksupernaut
    @dereksupernaut 2 года назад

    the tv show Sopranos was overrated, closer to a soap opera for men then the great movies like Goodfellas and Godfather I&II and Once Upton A Time In America...

    • @eduardosuarez2414
      @eduardosuarez2414 2 года назад +7

      Matthew Weiner went from writing on the Sopranos to creating Mad Men, which is lauded as one of the great TV shows but even more than The Sopranos is basically just an upmarket soap opera.

    • @ethanbradley2089
      @ethanbradley2089 8 месяцев назад

      You like Once Upon A Time? Okay your opinion holds weight...

    • @dereksupernaut
      @dereksupernaut 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@ethanbradley2089 I like Once Upon A Time In America AND Once Upon A Time In The West AND Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, all 3 are classics... Tony bitching about his heavy menstrual flow to a lady shrink for almost 100 hours is what you like???

    • @ethanbradley2089
      @ethanbradley2089 8 месяцев назад

      @@dereksupernaut because that's what the show was? But yes I enjoy the therapy scenes. They're great character studies. I can see why you wouldn't like that since Sergio Leone's films didn't have characters.