THEY JUST DESTROYED THE RULE OF TWO! - Acolyte Episode 5
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Is this fake outrage?
Plagueis master had Venamis and Plagueis..
Venamis had 6 damn apprentices
Sideous had Maul while he was with Plagueis
I could go on and on…
Maul was Sideous’ acolyte to overthrow his master. Maul dies and was replaced by Dooku. Ventress was never sith. She was just a baddie. Dooku dies and Vader becomes the new apprentice
Yep fake outrage for clicks
@@mrdeleonnNo one said, Ventress. He mentioned Darth Venamis.
this is getting so ridiculous i'm starting to think all these channels shitting on literally every part of the show and forgetting the sacred lore that they made videos on previously is some kind of setup
not a Darth. Not a sith
Let's be fair, there's never truly just two.
People keep on forgetting the nuance of it. Sith will train and have multiple people working for them because they never consider them a true apprentice and often they are never tought the full extent of the sith teaching. Sith don't consider Darksider as true sith. Also Sith Master can tell people that they are their appearance but it don't mean it true, remember Dooku, and Maul didn't know how to do Sith sorcery or alchemy despite being Palpatine apprentice.
exactly, especially if the normal progression of anything you learn is to master it the rule of 2 is never ending just in perpetual motion. Also no where did we hear the rule of 2 explained at all. just yoda saying always a master and an apprentice.
@Underworlddream I mean, yeah. Tbf we don't really even have an idea of what darth teeth even is, so he could be a side apprentice (doubtful). He's probably just an apprentice pushing his luck though.
@@williamfigueroa4898 I was thinking they will make him connect to the Knight of Ren . In the comic they had a guy that was the leader that wear a helmet, a cape, and alway showing his muscular arm.
People really need to read the Darth Bane novels
Meanwhile Palpatine violated the rule of two, so did his master. And that was written years ago.
But Palpatine didn’t. No one knew he was a Sith for majority of the war. So Dooku and his student was the two
I know, I never understood this. Like he had Dooku, who had Ventress. And its like Lucas forgot he put the rule of two in, so he had to address it later on in the clone wars when he turns on her.
Or the inquisitors. Like the canon was already so muddy, who even cares.
@@andrewlacosse2096ventress was not a sith. This had been reiterated during the clone wars several times. Even Dooku himself told Ventress she wasnt a sith. You can be an apprentice and not be a Dark Lord of the sith
Someone does not know the lore 😂
Maul wad never trained as a sith. He was an assassin. He knew none of the lore and he admits that in rebels later on. Dooku? Yeah still not a true sith. Thus why he was a count.. palpatine killed his master off screen at the end of the phantom menace. Please read before Making accusations about lore so you don't sound silly 😂
@@superboyx2837 you can try to spend it that way, but that doesn’t work. We do know how they Dooku was training Asajj Ventress and Palpatine orders him to kill her. Let’s not try to pretend that the rule of two is that rigid, Star Wars Canon/legends does not support that.
Ventress, Maul, Starkiller, and Savage are all pre existing examples sith acolytes being trained by a sith apprentice to overthrow their master or simply do their bidding. “Acolytes” have always been accepted with the rule of two, at least until they get too powerful.
Literally this, it has been a constant in canon and legends that Sith apprentices would have their own apprentices/acolytes which their masters were even aware of and would often use them to help overthrow their master. It’s literally why Palpatine attempted to have Ventress killed, he knew that Dooku would try to overthrow him soon.
Maul was an acolyte/assassin for Sidious and Plagueis
@@Sultan_Vader_VI he was Palpatine’s apprentice only however Plagueis did know of his existence the same way sidious knew abt Ventress. As long as said acolytes are “expendable” and don’t get too powerful, most sith don’t mind them being around and sometimes even encourage their apprentices to take on acolytes.
Darth Tenebrous had two apprentices. Darth Plagueis and Darth Venamis.
Darth Plagueis had multiple apprentices until he was left with Palpatine.
Palpatine *HATED* the Rule of Two. Which is why he even allowed Dooku to take on Ventress as his apprentice.
Maul and Savage literally claimed to be “the true lords of the Sith”
Yeah, the Rule of Two totally wasn’t destroyed before.
Don't Forget Taron Malicos from Jedi Fallen Order. A galaxy of quadrillion people and there are only 2 sith hahhah
ventress was an assassin when she grew too powerful he had her “eliminated”
I swear these content creators only care when someone goes to the official Sith registrar and registered as a Sith to be called a Sith. Well then again sometimes anytime someone mentioned they could be called Sith they must be a Sith.
@@keithfranklin214 also didn’t Ahsoka literally call Ventress a Sith right to her face?
Didn't he litterally say he isn't a sith? He said he doesn't have a name and a jedi might call him sith.
I 100% agree for some reason people aren't noticing that he says "you might call me a sith."
If he had ascended to full Lordhood he would say so: I am Darth Soleon or whatever
Literally lol these "fans" just wanna hate it
not only did he avoid labeling himself as a sith, he spoke very specifically about jedi making rules and how according to the jedi and sith now he has to kill everyone. Yet multiple times he stops fighting when he has the clear upper hand, preferring to potentially let them escape and instead chasing after his apprentice. My guess is that when he says you don't remember me, combined with his ability to enter jedi minds like the witches, he's talking about the events we didn't see in the past. I'm betting he was part of the coven and the jedi found him or something went down between them. After all, he was the one who finished what his apprentice started, killing the wookie after she abandoned the task. sounds like he has much more personal stake in it than her.
No, he “literally” didn't say he wasn't one.
If he is looking for his own Apprentice that means he was planning to eliminate his own master. So technically he was still following the Rule of Two
Exactly.
But as far as we know he might have already killed his master
@@MrWill9002 If he did the question is how did he eliminate his Master? Poison?
@@Reaper2004 Knowing the show, never explained. Could be poison, an honorable duel, hell even tricking them. Take Palpatine for example. He got Plagueis extremely drunk first and then killed him
@@MrWill9002 When has there ever been a Sith who was even truly honorable? "Lies and Deceit, Greed and Mistrust" - Yoda. They never believed in Honor let alone ask for an Honorable duel
Darth Bane was pretty clear in his instructions, when the Apprentice is ready to kill the Master they are specifically instructed to begin seeking their own apprentice in secret, once they know that they have a good apprentice ready then they proceed with their plan to murder the Master, this also gives the Master a replacement apprentice should the Apprentice die in their attempt to kill the Master.
Palpatine and Vader, in both canon and Legends, violated the Rule of Two
actually no, Dooku might have been answering to Palpatine before Maul “died” but he never called Palpatine his master until that scene in tales of the jedi which took place after the battle between Obi-Wan and Qui-gon vs Maul so it was never truly broken. And Ventress, Krell, and Savage Oppress were never sith and Grievous didn’t even have powers to begin with. And the inquisitors weren’t sith either so Vader didn’t break it either
and then Starkiller disaligned himself with the sith and went on his own.
Anyone who has read the Darth Bane novels knows that the Apprentice is supposed to seek their own apprentice prior to their attempt to murder the Master, because this ensures that if they fail the Master already has a new apprentice and there isn’t a void, and if they succeed they won’t have to waste time seeking their apprentice.
@@MyLibertyTVI’m just surprised how these so-called Star Wars experts don’t know lore themselves.
@@ahsokatano8542 Plaguies was still alive during TPM so yes there were 3 living sith
First I see content creators not knowing the existence of cortosis, now I am seeing they don't seem to understand Sith apprentices betray thier masters, quite routinely. The nerve. You guys are the ones pushing it. Let it go.
Pretty much
100%
Whats funny is this guy has done videos on Maul, Ventress, the Inquisitors, Cortosis etc
everything in this episode we've seen before, but he's ignoring it. this guy used to be cool man
@EnderTeam101 all for content and good reviews he is just a serfer does What the masses want like a drone
And quoting Legends. Legends Plagious tells Palp there are many hidden Sith pretenders but they aren't a threat at that moment and will be dealt with in time. I'm listening to the audiobook for the second time currently.
The whole thing of Plagious is breaking the rule of 2. Tenebrous, his master had a secret apprentice. That apprentice had a list of useful people to train and use. Plagious tell Palp to be on the lookout for useful initiates. Is shocked by Maul, and how strong in the force he is but tells him don't make him full with but still make him a warrior in our ways. Just not to let him mature and become too strong.
And oh yeah the cortosis thing. I've seen that 5 times today. Cortosis, beskar, phrik. Beskar would have at least been a logical guess 😅
I believe Qimir said YOU would call me sith.. not I AM a sith... Maybe something maybe not.. Also lets not pretend EVERY SITH didnt step on the rule of 2.. 😂.. Qimir using cortosis in the helmet and wrist bands was pretty dope..
Exactly!! 😂
In the book "Darth Plagueis", Plagueis himself mentions that there were other dark side users out there and some of them even called themselfs Sith. But only the members of the rule of two could be considered true Sith.
People are crazy if they think there are only two "sith" in a galaxy of quadrillion people lol
But how did this break Rule Of Two? Did we not forget that in EU both Bane and Zannah fought Jedi? Both in EU and Canon Maul has killed multiple Jedi. Also The Jedi in eu ignored Rumors from a fellow Jedi of a Sith still being alive (Johan) and didn't take it seriously. I would say it's a questionable choice though.
No survivors
First time that's ever happened. Not like Tenebrous trained Venamis and Plagueis, or Palpatine trained Maul while being Plagueis's apprentice, or Dooku trained Ventress, Opress, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, worked with Pong Krell, Komari Vosa, or Vader trained Starkiller. I feel like most youtube channels including this one are hating just to hate. Not trying to discount anyones opinion but this isn’t bad Star Wars. Like when has the rule of two ever been "sacred" like you said in this video. Let's wait until the series is over before throwing stones.
They are hating just to hate, it was an amazing episode, but people are just conjuring up issues with it that simply do not exist. Sad
Absolutely agree 100%. this comment is on point.
There's no breaking of the rule of 2, we don't even know for sure he is a sith. He just said that they could call him that, nothing more.
Not to mention the rule of two was broken so many times by plagueis and Sidious.
Y'all judging before the series is over.
He did not say "I'm a Sith", he said "you would call me Sith"
I like the series, and am enjoying how the Nerds Theorys are crying and complaining 😂😂
They like to jump the gun
Some were biased before the first episode even aired, and they've been doing whatever they can to fulfill that bias each episode. They are doing a LOT of assuming about things the show hasn't even had a chance to show yet. I'm actually disappointed Star Wars Comics fell to this mindset.
You have a very low bar then in terms of taste if you enjoy the crapshoot of writing that is this show XD
@@zalla00can you explain how the writing is bad? I’ll agree the pacing is off at times but it’s literally a mystery plot so don’t even try to pull the “it doesn’t explain everything via exposition” bs
Actual objective criticism pls
Even then, it's a running joke that the rule of 2 is treated as more of a guideline than an actual rule. It was broken plenty of times in Legends, but apparently when Disney is the one breaking it then that's a bridge to far and shows they dont care about the franchise.
You mean a bunch of rule breakers can't follow their own rules?
When have Sith ever actually followed their rules
You make it sound like Qimir revealed that he was a sith like he wanted the entire galaxy to know. I think it was clear he was confident he was gonna kill all the jedi there, including Sol. The rule of two was not broken and if it was you need to say how it was broken. All I have heard is claims that the rule is broken, no explanation as to how was provided.
Exactly.
The rule of two was never really respected by the sith
Right because the Sith have NEVER broken the rule of two before the episode of this show 🙄 Give me a break. This was a good episode.
But how did this break Rule Of Two? Did we not forget that in EU both Bane and Zannah fought Jedi? Both in EU and Canon Maul has killed multiple Jedi. Also The Jedi in eu ignored Rumors from a fellow Jedi of a Sith still being alive (Johan) and didn't take it seriously. I would say it's a questionable choice though. I'll wait until other episodes hopefully they didn't just break Canon cause I'll just view this show not Canon.
Bro forgot all about so many parts of Star Wars lore to make this video just so he can make an outrage video.
Mf if an apprentice kills their master then there is for a time only one and he will be looking for an apprentice. That's what we got. Rule of two is still in tact dude don't be weird
Prediction: Darth Buckethead takes off his bucket to reveal He is actually Darth Jar Jar Binks… {Darth Revan, in the background, shaking his head and facepalming… “Really, guys?”}
Sidious already broke the rule of two, because, despite what some poeple claim, Maul was a Sith Lord. Three times in Phantom Menace he calls Maul his apprentice. And in duel with Maul and Savage Opress in Clone Wars Sidios clearly said:
"You are no longer my apprentice. You have been replaced".
So yeah, Sidious had an apprentice when his own master - Plagueis - was still alive.
NOT REALLY... THE RULE OF 2 IS A MASTER AND A STUDENT..... THAT STILL FITS
THAT MEANS NO SCHOOL OF SITH NO DOJO , TO SAVIE ...U UNDERSTAND ! JEDI HAVE a school basically . that's what that means.
Reading these comments is telling nun of yall know what a Sith is or The Rule of Two. It’s explain by Yoda as “Always two there are, no more, no less...a master and an apprentice.”
Meaning Simply One Master and one Apprentice.
Example Master: Palpatine Apprentice: Darth Maul
Maul die. Okay so now
Master: Palpatine Apprentice Dooku
Dooku dies okay
Master: Palpatine Apprentice Vader
Therefore subordinates of any of the Apprentices are not Sith. They are DARK SIDE USERS. Examples
Ventress, Maul’s Brother, and the inquisitors.
Long live the Rule of Two!
He could also be aspiring to be a Sith. IOW, if he was alone as a fallen Jedi and embraced the Dark Side, his rage and training would aspire to whatever he could find out about Sith lore but not actually be a rule of two Sith.
And with all of the rule of two Sith gone, who’s going to enforce it without possibly exposing themselves?
Your conjecture is just conjecture.
First Knight of Ren
He didnt straight up admit hes a sith he said “the jedi would refer to me as sith”
Palpatine and Plagueis broke the Rule of Two, and they weren’t the first ones who did so in Legends. Palpatine just thought that he would be the last one to break it.
Likeliness is that he might not be truly a Sith and is along with Plagius the apprentices to Darth tenebrous, but only one of them will be the deciding successor as next Sith Lord and the other dies.
How do we know for sure he doesn't have a master?
Violating the rule of two was the rule. Plagueis was still alive during the events of the Phantom Menace, meaning Darth Sidious was training Maul while he was an apprentice. The same goes for Darth Tyranus training Asajj Ventress. Even Vader had a secret apprentice.
No one has EVER explained how the Rule of Two is ENFORCED.
He more than likely just killed his master & is looking for his first apprentice/acolyte. So it kinda does make sense if u think about it. If not, then he’s planning a power move to overtake his master with his acolyte.
Darth Bane actually laid out in the Rule of Two that the Apprentice is to secretly seek out their own apprentice prior to murdering the Master. This does several things. One, it is a test that they are able to complete the task without the Master knowing. Two, it provides the Master with a ready to go new apprentice should the Apprentice die in their attempt to kill the Master.
Not necessarily, Darth Bane’s old apprentice killed him THEN she took his current apprentice as her own. So they don’t technically NEED to have an apprentice or acolyte before making their move on their master.
So he’s Sith 100 years or so earlier than The Clone wars, but Yoda did see it coming? If you can believe this, I have a Bridge on Kamino for sale.
What do you mean bridge on kamino?
The rule of two has been broken so many times its crazy.
But let's be real. The real problem is this show. Who cares anymore? Disney has over produced Star Wars so much. Please Disney. Stop. Just stop. I feel sorry for the franchise. Every new show is just a brand new tumor. Star Wars needs the feeding tube pulled.
I think it is possible that Qimir could be a Jedi washout (or a former youngling that blames the Jedi for his failures) that discovered a Sith holocron and is a Sith pretender trying to create his own order. The legends book Darth Plagueis even references Sith pretenders in the galaxy, though nobody, including the Jedi, considered them Sith.
I don't think Qimir destroyed the rule of two.
I mean we don't even know if he has a Master.
Yes! He wants an apprentice but that doesn't mean that he's breaking the Rule of Two.
What if he's the only Sith in the Show and the reason he wants an Apprentice cause he wants to follow the Rule of Two? 🤔
The whole point is to be the one chasing power by training an Acolyte that makes the 2 strong enough to destroy the master or fail ....what was Starkiller?
I hope Qimir’s master just destroys him in anger when he finds out Qimir referred to himself as a Sith in front of Jedi - that would save it (I’m too optimistic I know)
Literally none of the canon sith we know about currently followed the rule of two
How was the rule of 2 broken? This guy thinks everything he doesn't like is against lore.
You're a wise man.
The Rule of Two was violated every other day in spirit or word.
You say that this episode destroys the Rule of Two, but how exactly does it do this?
From I've seen nothing did that in this episode.
I don't think this breaks the rule of 2. Nobody has made it back to curasaunt yet and I don't think there's going to be a cover-up I think sol is gonna die before he makes it back to the temple. Plus It's literally the middle of the show. Maybe not go into it wanting to hate?
this is just hating for fun he didnt say he was a sith and the rule of two isnt that simple many siths during it had more then one "apprentice"
Yeah, there's no examples of the rule of 2 being fudged with until now, as long as you ignore Dooku with Ventress, Oppress, and Pong Krell... and Palpatine grooming Anakin since he was a child...
I swear we've reached a point where 'fans' just want to complain about everything... I loved this episode.
Let's see Ventress and Pong weren't Sith🤡..Darth Maul was no longer apprentice to Sidious. Also not sure how Sidious grooming Anakin is the same..Dooku never considered Ventress a Sith.
Krell wasn’t exactly part of the crew. But yeah the point stands. I expected like this was a big divergence of the rule of two.
But no. There’s never been two. Originally there was. Like Sidious and Maul.
But after Maul you had
Dooku
Ventress
Oppress
And maybe there was another. However maybe it’s different since when Sidious got to do what he did, he was already in power, and they didn’t know of Sidious.
So they had to believe Dooku and whoever he had was the second Sith.
@@maurice21781 Sure... it's not a Sith... just a force user with a red lightsaber learning from a Sith. TOTALLY different. LOL
Keep ignoring what's right in front of you so you can be mad at Disney.
@@superboyx2837also they were not true Sith lords more like assassins and if they got too strong it was a threat that Dooku might try to overthrow Sidious so he has to kill ventress to make sure.
And Anakin was the one Sidious always wanted, Dooku was just the next best he got after Maul “died” and he was useful for the war then he got rid of him and worked on getting his Chosen One.
I don’t see how it breaks the rule of two
@@maurice21781yeah but Maul literally told Death Watch and the audience that he and Savage are “true lords of the Sith”
the only way this one is fixed badly, is that Plagueis or the master of qimir kill him for exposing like this and then the master kill saul before he left the planet and even then dont make any sense.
I think Mae didn't try to explain things to Jecki is because she's not going to believe her since she is known to be a Jedi killer. Jecki seemed very convinced that Mae killed Kelnacca.
Remember back in the day people would try to make star wars knockoffs to ride off its reputation?
In other news, lightsabers in the dark!
Sith kept acolytes to help overturn their masters.
They’ve been painting the Jedi as the enemy since TLJ and it shows
… right. But that rule was only made when the rule maker killed all of the sith on “sith planet” or whatever. And didn’t the prequels break that already? Palestine > Darth Maul > Duku?
To be fair, we just don't know yet if he is one of the "rule of two" sith. He could also just be some darkside force user who thougth himself from ancient sith holocrons, artifacts and writings. Wouldn't be the first time in Star Wars. Legends AND Canon.
1) We don’t know that Qimir is right or lasts after this series. He may be killed by his master.
2) there are 3 episodes left to explain where things are by Phantom Menace
Palpating,Dooku and Vader, almost every Sith is cheating on their own master and rule. I can hardly imagine what Darth Bane would say when sees the modern Sith have done
Bane literally tried to possess his apprentice to find a better one in her stead.
Tenebrus had a secret apprentice.
Palpatine was grooming Dooku while he had Maul, and Anakin before him.
Dooku had Ventress and Savage and tried to get Obi Wan in order to overthrow Sidious.
The Rule of Two was never a hard and fast rule, it was more of a guideline.
Let's be fair, Disney fans will defend this till their deaths, meanwhile everyone else is just shaking their heads
Sidious had multiple apprentices. Maul had Savage as an apprentice. Dooku had Assaj Ventress. The rule of 2 has been violated several times
Maul went rogue. Ventress was not Sith, only an assassin. Wielding a red lightsaber doesn’t make you Sith, adherence to the religion and Sith code does.
@@AtiShard16 they were apprentices to Sith masters. That, in and of itself, is a deviation of the "Rule of Two"
@@Omega_Comics No it is not. Darth Bane established that an apprentice to a dark lord should seek his own student before killing his master. BUT Ventress and the Inquisitors were assassins, not Sith. They never adhered to the Sith code nor were trained to be Sith. Many dark lords have trained dark Jedi pupils to simply be assassins.
@@AtiShard16 They were even called apprentices in the clone wars. Maul made Savage his apprentices. That's why Sidious came and shut it down on Mandalore. "There can be only two"
@@Omega_Comics Yeah because Maul went rogue and was training his brother to be a Sith
Even before Disney Star Wars, the rule of true was constantly broken.
In legends the sith after the creation of the rules of two bane included revealed themselves and even used their lightsabers mostly by leaving no survivors
I feel like your throwing stones for no reason.
He killed 10 Jedi in one episode
The writing in this show is pretty bad but literally every sith we’ve seen violates the rule of two.
It’s premature to conclude the Rule of Two has been violated. Qimir may be Sith apprentice, Mae the Acolyte, and the master has yet to appear. The problem is how will the cannon be reconciled with Ki-Adi-Mundi’s comment in the Phantom Menace about the Sith being extinct???? The only way I think of is the Sol will die before he can inform the Jedi counsel. We have to wait and see …
Rule of 2 has been broken so many times other than this. People really just looking for any reason to hate new Star Wars now. (Not saying modern Star Wars is really good, it just doesn’t deserve this much hate)
He said some MIGHT call him a Sith. That doesn’t mean he is. That’s enough wiggle room for another movie, show and comic series when it comes to Star Wars.
The rule of 2 is constantly violated, it's nothing new
The only way this could work, is that the Sith Lord views the word Sith as a derogatory slur and calls himself something else. Other than that, it doesn’t make sense because it portrays the Jedi Order as dumber than they actually are. Other than that, episode 5 had great fight choreography and light saber combat.
Just the rule of Two? .... they destroyed SW....
I like Star Wars, i dislike the fans
Adam Driver said in a interview, he thought Star Wars was very silly to begin with. He didn't really take his role being Kylo Ren too seriously
Crazy how Sidious had maul and dooku under him at the same time… all while grooming Anakin… the phantom apprentice. not to mention dooku had ventress as an apprentice also…. Rules, rules, rules
Qimire also says Jedi like you might call me sith. He didn't say I'm a sith. He could be a sith or he could be an offshoot of the sith or a knight of Ren
Y'all need to stop. He literally said "You would call me Sith." Not "I am a Sith." How does this break the rule of two? Qimir is the master. Mae was the Acolyte. Him going after Osha, after Mae already was going to turn on him. Just stop being so ANGRY. It's ridiculous. This entire video doesn't make ANY sense. The video was AMAZING! You just want to be angry for the sake of being angry because it's cool. Stop!
his master is probably darth tenebrous
Not every group of Sith followed the rule of two. This is well established in legends for fucks sake
I feel like a lot of people are missing the subtle points. Qimir said that Jedi would call him a Sith, not that he was a Sith.
are we really giving THESE writers that kind of lawyer intrigue level credit? By the end of it they are going to claim Plaegius was a trans man
The Jedi master was disclosed to killing to killing the sith but was stopped because OHsa said no whatever the case I hope they can stop him and mea
No she stop him Because it was only episode 5 not the season finale
@@teddykgb2450 whatever the case may be the Sith Lord must die and so does OSHA twin sister as well?
Greetings, this is the substance of modern Star Wars, what comes become no longer matters.
I mean, does the Acolyte have to be considered Canon and not just its own spin off lol
Cash in those grift checks instead of any media literacy i guess
Press this information it never said he was a Sith he said you can call me a sith
they destroyed it because they don't even know what it is
Tell me you don't understand Star Wars lore, without actually telling me... but take 9 minutes to do it and double/triple/quadruple down on your misunderstandings.
Bro read the darth plagues novel and you will yake it back about this episode
I severely doubt Dave filoni approved this
Love how you're being torn apart in the comments. It's kind of uplifting honestly
Ironically, there are ways that the Rule of Two was bent and even violated in Legends. The best example was actually Darth Sidious's use of Inquestors and Emperor's Hand's in Legends (With characters such as Jarrec going on to battle Kyle Katarn, as well as Mara Jade herself, who was an Emperor's Hand and sought revenge against Luke after Sidious's death on the second Death Star.). Another major example is Galen Marek/Starkiller, who was trained as Vader's secret Sith Apprentice, with the possible goal of Darth Vader challenging the Emperor and seeking to kill, in order to become Dark Lord of the Sith. This is similar to what Darth Malek does to Darth Revan in the opening of the original Knights of the Old Republic. Interestingly, it does not break canon for Sith Apprentices to be overly ambitious and want to usurp or even try to out right kill their masters. The Sith have been and always continue to be of the belief in survival of the strongest, so Sith Apprentices will use their masters to learn all they can about the Force, until they come to believe that they have eclipsed the knowledge of their Master. It is also still possible for Qimir to just be a Dark Jedi, who seeks to emulate the Sith, but not a true Sith Apprentice, yet there are clues he holds Sith Knowledge and the real question is how he came into possession of it.
A master and an apprentice
An acolyte is neither
The pure amount of bots saying the same thing over and over again is amazing
Just because sith trained assassins doesn't mean they violated the rule of two
Remember Darth bane grave is on korriban
Well they kinda already had the notion that the jedi knew something. I mean you remember what Yoda said "Always 2 there are a master and a Apprentice." So if the Jedi didn't know about the sith how did they know about the rule of 2. Unless a sith slipped it out that they are a sith before they died. We don't know if he is a Apprentice or a assassin not either master or Apprentice and the sith master at the time wants to officially show that their aren't any more sith so he wants his fake apprentice and Mae to die by the jedi so they will believe they finally killed the last of the sith.
He’s not a Sith. He said they would call him a Sith. That’s because the Jedi would have never heard of what he would become. He’s going to be the founder of the knights of ren. They even played Kylos theme in his last scene. I feel like yall are going to feel pretty silly after this show is done.