thanks David, just came across your vids and business.. look forward to bringing my business to you.. will let people know about RF shop. thanks again, Dan
Thanks David for your informative and understandable tutorial videos. Keeping it simple, keeping it real. Much appreciated. I will be in touch when I am ready to purchase. Cheers, Barry
Great channel Dave. Great simple, straightforward and real use info. I.e. putting the xl2 on the Winegard TV antenna if not being used. You answered my question before I could ask it.
Indeed, and that's a good use-case example for the MIMO-3-15 that has some external WiFi antennas...allowing the WiFi to be broadcast outside and towards the vehicle.
Great video. Very informative. Thank you. We’re planning on buying a property. It’s about 16km from the nearest tower. It’s very flat country. Would the poynting antenna reach that far? Walking around the block we can randomly get one bar of 3G or 4G but any attempt to access internet fails.
Hi Juicy_AUS. Thanks...appreciate the feedback. If your signal is that "patchy" I would not go anything less than the Poynting MIMO LPDA antenna set / kit. However (spoiler alert) there is something better coming soon from the same manufacturer, so if you can wait a few months till the end of this year we may have a better solution. Happy to discuss more on the phone if you want to call the office (number is on our website :))
Thanks David. Antennas aside, done some modems have better range (connectivity) than others, or are they pretty much equal. In other words, if connected to a Poynting, can some modems perform better than others?
Hi Bruce, I don't have data and haven't tested this yet, but just from my electronic engineering background I would say for sure you'll have better and weaker modems. The quality of the RF-Front End design (i.e. the RF amplifiers), the quality of the electronic design (i.e. system noise) and then the performance of the signal processing element can vary a lot between manufacturers. Teltonika, for one, is very "slow" to release new products and that is because they want to get it right. Many manufacturers who release as soon as something is available makes me very uncomfortable and I'm generally not a fan of the early adopters of new technologies as they often rush their hardware and software designs.
Hi David. Excellent and very informative videos. Thank you for that. Is there a device that can plug into your directional or Omni antenna to show signal strength for these networks? Or must this only be done through the connected device.?
@@RFShop Excellent work I spoke with you guys yesterday I will see you today just after lunch sometime to purchase the RUT 360. Very informative and straight to the point I respect that thank you Matt
How would a pair of the short of LPDA compare with the XPOL-2 ? Already have the MIMO-3 which has been good for boosting marginal 4g to usable, but considering the options for long range directional when outside the normal cell range.
Ian, I’m always a fan of classic LPDA’s. I think the compact lightweight nature of the XPOL-2 is very useful for travelling but in my humble opinion a good and simple LPDA set will perform better
Thanks, enjoy your videos. Question from South Africa, how much "magic" can you expect from the directional antenna... or is it mainly a case of line of sight to pick up a signal? Parents have some property in the mountains. No signal at the house. If you climb the mountain you eventually do pick up signal. Its roughly 10km in a straight line to the nearest tower. Is there any science I can use to work out if this would work in the particular location? Thanks.
Hi Coooogz. You would probably want to get a booster / setup or something on that mountain as the antenna can only pick-up something if there is something. It may just be too low down in the valley, but 10km should be quite easy if you have a good line of sight
If I'm setting up an RUT360 in our caravan with a directional antenna setup, but I'm somewhere that I don't need that external antenna performance, do I just unscrew the cables from the directional antenna & replace with the mobile antennas that come with the RUT360? Is it possible to have a mix, e.g. one internal antenna & one external (which might not be connected)? Will the RUT360 get a signal with one antenna?
Dave, it's basically "YES" to all your questions. You can mix and match the antennas, and indeed there's no need to use the external antenna if you have another option that works OK on a particular location.
Hi Dave. Another question..... Sorry! I have the choice of either a 3.8m or 5.7m telescopic mast on which to mount my directional antenna. One mast is 2-section and the other is 3-section. The difference in price and weight is negligible, so I assume I might as well go for the 5.7m? I'm assuming higher is better due to line-of-sight/earth curvature factors?
Yes, earth curvature will become a problem if you go further than (I think, and stand corrected) about 6km. So, the higher you can go the better your results will be. If it's not a major hassle, height is your friend.
Thanks David Great Video really helpful for me setting up my van connection. I have a Nighthawk M1 which is maybe 4-5 years old and am looking to upgrade and add an antenna, The TS-9 connectors on the M1 are useless so I’m interested if the M6 is better? (I just watched your review of the M6) I liked the look of the Teltonika modem but it doesn’t seem to have 5G? By the way I also used to Dive at Rapid Bay then go get warm by visiting the Normie bakery for some warming pies and coffees! (prefer Yank these days!) Thanks for your videos and help. Phil
HI Phil, Always great to meet a fellow diver. Teltonika are about to release their 5G router (the RUTX50) but it's a more premium solution. The M6 is quite a nice solution. Still the same shitty TS9's, but you may indeed find some better service out of it in other locations.
Technically, the best antenna in my view is the LPDA (Log Periodic Dipole Array). I like it because they can be really good over the whole possible frequency band. However, if you know what the frequency is you need in a particular location (i.e. not for traveling purposes) a Yagi will be even better. It will give you more antenna gain for the same size as an LPDA, but will then only work in a small frequency range. For instance, if you know you only want to connect to Band 28 (700MHz) then a Yagi setup will simply be much better.
@@RFShop thanks for the reply I really appreciate the insight. Is it possible to use multiple yogi antennas ( one for each frequency) and connect it to one device that has one input for antenna?
@@zoomhero1400 Good question...you'll need a duplexer of some sort to make that work. It's a great idea, and gets done but I think the complexity will outweigh the benefit and using a really good LPDA will be simpler and probably as good if not better (considering all the things to keep in mind). Have a look at the Poynting LPDA-0092 on our website
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thanks David, just came across your vids and business.. look forward to bringing my business to you.. will let people know about RF shop.
thanks again, Dan
Hi Dan...thanks heaps. Looking forward ;)
Thanks David for your informative and understandable tutorial videos. Keeping it simple, keeping it real. Much appreciated. I will be in touch when I am ready to purchase. Cheers, Barry
Thanks Barry, much appreciated
Great channel Dave. Great simple, straightforward and real use info. I.e. putting the xl2 on the Winegard TV antenna if not being used. You answered my question before I could ask it.
Thanks...trying to make it fun and keep it simple :)
Another advantage of the permanent mounted Omni is that it running in the van would give you good wifi in the car for passenger use on the road.
Indeed, and that's a good use-case example for the MIMO-3-15 that has some external WiFi antennas...allowing the WiFi to be broadcast outside and towards the vehicle.
Great information, will have to consider this for our set up.
For sure…let me know if we can help with the detail !
Another great video David!
The title is 4G, but this would also all apply to 5G? Cheers
Thanks 😊
Yes…applies to 5G as well !!
Great video. Very informative. Thank you.
We’re planning on buying a property. It’s about 16km from the nearest tower. It’s very flat country. Would the poynting antenna reach that far? Walking around the block we can randomly get one bar of 3G or 4G but any attempt to access internet fails.
Hi Juicy_AUS. Thanks...appreciate the feedback. If your signal is that "patchy" I would not go anything less than the Poynting MIMO LPDA antenna set / kit. However (spoiler alert) there is something better coming soon from the same manufacturer, so if you can wait a few months till the end of this year we may have a better solution. Happy to discuss more on the phone if you want to call the office (number is on our website :))
Thanks David. Antennas aside, done some modems have better range (connectivity) than others, or are they pretty much equal. In other words, if connected to a Poynting, can some modems perform better than others?
Hi Bruce, I don't have data and haven't tested this yet, but just from my electronic engineering background I would say for sure you'll have better and weaker modems.
The quality of the RF-Front End design (i.e. the RF amplifiers), the quality of the electronic design (i.e. system noise) and then the performance of the signal processing element can vary a lot between manufacturers.
Teltonika, for one, is very "slow" to release new products and that is because they want to get it right. Many manufacturers who release as soon as something is available makes me very uncomfortable and I'm generally not a fan of the early adopters of new technologies as they often rush their hardware and software designs.
Hi David. Excellent and very informative videos. Thank you for that. Is there a device that can plug into your directional or Omni antenna to show signal strength for these networks? Or must this only be done through the connected device.?
I tend to use the modem / router for that. It's the simplest way to get a test device ;)
@@RFShop
Excellent work I spoke with you guys yesterday I will see you today just after lunch sometime to purchase the RUT 360.
Very informative and straight to the point I respect that thank you
Matt
How would a pair of the short of LPDA compare with the XPOL-2 ? Already have the MIMO-3 which has been good for boosting marginal 4g to usable, but considering the options for long range directional when outside the normal cell range.
Ian, I’m always a fan of classic LPDA’s. I think the compact lightweight nature of the XPOL-2 is very useful for travelling but in my humble opinion a good and simple LPDA set will perform better
Mimo 3
Thanks, enjoy your videos. Question from South Africa, how much "magic" can you expect from the directional antenna... or is it mainly a case of line of sight to pick up a signal? Parents have some property in the mountains. No signal at the house. If you climb the mountain you eventually do pick up signal. Its roughly 10km in a straight line to the nearest tower. Is there any science I can use to work out if this would work in the particular location? Thanks.
Hi Coooogz. You would probably want to get a booster / setup or something on that mountain as the antenna can only pick-up something if there is something. It may just be too low down in the valley, but 10km should be quite easy if you have a good line of sight
If I'm setting up an RUT360 in our caravan with a directional antenna setup, but I'm somewhere that I don't need that external antenna performance, do I just unscrew the cables from the directional antenna & replace with the mobile antennas that come with the RUT360?
Is it possible to have a mix, e.g. one internal antenna & one external (which might not be connected)? Will the RUT360 get a signal with one antenna?
Dave, it's basically "YES" to all your questions. You can mix and match the antennas, and indeed there's no need to use the external antenna if you have another option that works OK on a particular location.
Hi Dave. Another question..... Sorry!
I have the choice of either a 3.8m or 5.7m telescopic mast on which to mount my directional antenna. One mast is 2-section and the other is 3-section. The difference in price and weight is negligible, so I assume I might as well go for the 5.7m? I'm assuming higher is better due to line-of-sight/earth curvature factors?
Yes, earth curvature will become a problem if you go further than (I think, and stand corrected) about 6km. So, the higher you can go the better your results will be. If it's not a major hassle, height is your friend.
unless you are a flat earther, then curvature is a non-issue :)
Oh, somewhere like the desert, where there's no hills? 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Dave. Yeah as I thought, height will be my friend, especially at the bleeding edge of coverage!
@@Scooterer1963 For sure
Thanks David Great Video really helpful for me setting up my van connection. I have a Nighthawk M1 which is maybe 4-5 years old and am looking to upgrade and add an antenna, The TS-9 connectors on the M1 are useless so I’m interested if the M6 is better? (I just watched your review of the M6) I liked the look of the Teltonika modem but it doesn’t seem to have 5G? By the way I also used to Dive at Rapid Bay then go get warm by visiting the Normie bakery for some warming pies and coffees! (prefer Yank these days!) Thanks for your videos and help. Phil
HI Phil,
Always great to meet a fellow diver. Teltonika are about to release their 5G router (the RUTX50) but it's a more premium solution. The M6 is quite a nice solution. Still the same shitty TS9's, but you may indeed find some better service out of it in other locations.
What the best type of directional antennas ? ( how does a yogi compare to them)
Technically, the best antenna in my view is the LPDA (Log Periodic Dipole Array). I like it because they can be really good over the whole possible frequency band.
However, if you know what the frequency is you need in a particular location (i.e. not for traveling purposes) a Yagi will be even better. It will give you more antenna gain for the same size as an LPDA, but will then only work in a small frequency range.
For instance, if you know you only want to connect to Band 28 (700MHz) then a Yagi setup will simply be much better.
@@RFShop thanks for the reply I really appreciate the insight.
Is it possible to use multiple yogi antennas ( one for each frequency) and connect it to one device that has one input for antenna?
@@zoomhero1400 Good question...you'll need a duplexer of some sort to make that work. It's a great idea, and gets done but I think the complexity will outweigh the benefit and using a really good LPDA will be simpler and probably as good if not better (considering all the things to keep in mind). Have a look at the Poynting LPDA-0092 on our website
@@RFShop I will check it out
Your cable management is shocking in the mini caravan 😂
That's why I make videos and design antennas...and leave the installation work to the other guys in the RFShop :)