he makes a good point that it can take longer to make it to majors in baseball than other sports. flip side is that baseball players have much more longevity than football or basketball players, so if you do make majors in baseball, you will likely have much longer career. Frank Thomas said that was a major reason why he chose baseball over football.
True but because of the declining media coverage of it there is less endorsement money opportunities. So sure you can have a longer career but there are former NBA players who are still making money with endorsement deals and partnerships even after they retire. That side of the money is harder to set up in baseball.
@@RamaSivamani you would think the decline of baseball would hurt the players finances, but it hasn’t. The deals just keep getting bigger and bigger. I have literally no idea how an MLB team can afford to pay their players 200+ million when they can’t fill stands. Endorsement deals definitely going down though.
The real reason the number of black players in baseball is going down is because black people just aren't that interested in baseball anymore. They'll play baseball, football and basketball as kids but when it comes time to pick one to focus on they go for basketball or football. Basketball and football are more enjoyable to play because there's more involvement in them. Kids just don't want to stand idle in the outfield for 3 hours and bat 4 times in that timespan. It's a different world now unfortunately.
Baseball did have a skills competition at the All Star Game. But, in 1991 or 92 All Star Game, Barry Larkin hurt his elbow on a throw during the relay throw competition. I don't think they did another skills competition after that year.
The declining numbers of blacks has nothing to do with the organization, it is the culture that they are raised in. Theyre all interested in basketball and football wayy more than any other sport. Everyone has their own way of getting out of their shitty situations. Latinos have baseball and thats why there are so many of them, as for blacks it is basketball and football because it is much less about skill and more about physical prowess. Look at Dee Gordon for example, he is one of the fastest in baseball and was one of the best in the league some years ago, but he didnt even want to play baseball coming up as a kid. Look up his doc.
That's not true Latinos willing to practices football , baseball and boxing because are more popular among us . American football and basketball are not .
@@antoniomoreno3142 Yeah it just has to do with what you like. We love our baseball and boxing, soccer as well. I don't like soccer but love baseball and boxing. If it was just about physical, we wouldn't make some of the best boxers. It doesn't get more physical than boxing.
Wilder opted for boxing instead of basketball or football. Dwayne Johnson turned into wrestling when he realize he have no future with football. If only black kids realize that basketball and football are not the only solution for their poverty problems, they would try something like hockey and baseball.
@@suiken3149 That’s why education is so important in poorer areas, because it facilitates people actually being able to get out of their bad situations
Baseball is the most difficult sport to play well enough to get paid for it. Most black men that are talented enough to play another sport well enough to be recognized by a professional team, do not want to put the work and time just to be poor in the minors for 3-5 years and there still might be a possibility they never go pro and get paid. Due to injury or anything. Those 3-5 years could be spent playing football or basketball making millions of dollars. Instead of 42,000. Also baseball is the only sport that you do not need to be a specific size. So all tall black men or thicker black men did not win the genetic lottery like they did for bball or football.
the minors is a huge reason, if you look at many of the black basketball players, many grew up poor and or with single parent. The minors you are still broke while you work on your skills. Much faster to get a good paycheck by going straight to Basketball or football.
@@jermainelewis607 The difference is Hispanic players would be making like $50 a month in D.R or Cuba or Venezuela. At least in the U.S in the minors they'll at least be making $500.00 a week. That's a huge upgrade.
@@THERSC216 That's because it's different now for these kids and I grew up a Cleveland Indians fan and it was a lot more Indians fans than Cavs fans that were black growing up in 90's and I was one of them
It's all following, there's some black kids at the little league level then they all stop playing it. There was always Latin kids on the baseball field at the park by me. I took my lil bro there for batting practice and then black kids got interested because they saw a black face playing baseball and wanted to take some BP. I got annoyed when a friend told me it's a white sport. It shows how people lack knowledge in how much of a black sport baseball is. Just check the all-time home run hitters.
@@dontdoittoyoself6786 Yeah on a specific point, I find it intriguing how people think Baseball of all sports isn’t as quick to be inclusive towards other races, when it was literally Jackie Robinson as “the guy” in Baseball before any other black dude in sports
I don’t know why is this even a discussion. I’m tired of people bringing race into every conversation oh he’s black, oh he’s white. Black people choose to play basketball and football. People are free to play whatever they want to play.
@Ade Ayodele so just because blacks are more interested in playing basketball and football rather than baseball it should be a discussion of why and more blacks should play baseball?
Looking at your thumbnail, who the F**K are you to talk non-racial BS? Got news for you, you can be non-judgmental and treat your fellow man as equals from birth to dirth. Yet a day will never go by where you will avoid being reminded of hate. Hell, we're all members of TDC.... THE DEAD CLUB. Only fraternity where all humans have no say. Because ALL will eventually join...🤣🇵🇷🇺🇸🗽🦂😎
@@husseinalsalami2148 because it’s a damn discussion on blacks in baseball. You know, the people who helped advance the sport despite being blocked from playing at one point. Why the hell do you even get in the conversation if you don’t care? There are black people who would like to see our own get back into something we helped elevate. I’m tired of non black folks upset about black issues that don’t concern them. We are a big part of AMERICAN culture whether you like it or not. We built the damn country and have a large foundation in its culture. Baseball is one of them and it’s an interesting discussion to have. Unfortunately race did make this country what it is so race and racism is going to be at the forefront of a lot of our issues.
So what Nelly and Steven A are saying is, Black Athletes cant get enough attention and immediate gratification in Baseball. Maybe its because its not all about how fast you run or how high you jump. Maybe its because their are guys like Seth Maness who can suceed, while a big strong guy can fail. Sorry Nelly, just callin a spade a spade
+kevin sims No he isnt. The reason why blacks in baseball is declining is not because of not getting noticed but because in the inner city, baseball is not able to be played as much as things like basketball.
Times change. Football and Basketball had different demographics years ago as well .People are social creatures. One day times will change and you will see a reversal because quote unquote it is" the thing to do."
Because it’s hard to play baseball in the city. No fields, no space, the equipment is expensive. Damn shame, cuz it’s really one of the greater sports today.
Nelly ....he's bang on. Love this . I'm a white guy who played his whole life in baseball in the minors in Australia. He's spot on. The skills challenge thing was done at every level in Oz.
As a black kid growing up in NYC in the late 70s to early 90s I loved baseball and so did the kids on my street all our favorite players were Dave Winfield Dwight Goode and Darryl strawberry and my personal favorite was George foster and Ellis vallintine nowadays black kids just don't see baseball as one of the "cool" sports anymore now its either football or basketball sadly its just a fact now.
I disagree that baseball stifles charisma. The Latin black ball players do their thing nowadays. The black American ball players of the 60's 70's 80's and early 90's did it their way with a lot of style. I.E. Willie Mays, Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson, and Ken Griffey Jr. They all had their flair and style. As long as you play the game the right way and you're good you can can be as cool as you wanna be. The problem is baseball is just not seen as cool in contemporary black music and culture anymore. If you look at the 40-to the early 60's ⚾ complented that jazz music and culture very well. Cause just like jazz music a baseball game can be going very slowly and then there's an upswing in tempo and things to start pick up and start going. And then slow down be cool again. And Jazz was the cool black music. Then R&B came into the picture with its tempos and beats. And styles of dressing and Afros and other haircuts it inspired. And thay still complemented baseball. They went well with each other. Then disco and early days of hip-hop emerged and the music started to speed up a bit more and get a bit more aggresive with the beats and flow of lyrics. As well as the style of clothing and how you carried yourself changed in the black culture. It reflected the more warrior like mentality of football and basketball of scoring on each other and crossing into their endzones. Just like in the early days of hip-hop with battle rapping. Baseball doesn't really reflect that it's different. Like George Carlin in baseball you don't score you go home. Lol So.....yea I think contemporary black music culture has a lot to do with the dwindling numbers of black Americans. I mean you barely even hear baseball mentioned in a rap song. Wheather it be mentioned in a metaphor or the naming of a current famous baseball player. I mean it happens but rarely. On the other hand Lebron James Stephen Curry Cam Newton and Odell Beckham Jr's names come up often in today's rap songs. So then it becomes a question of how major league baseball should take onus of speeding up the pace of the game. Or taking other measures to attract young the African-American generation to liking and wanting to play ⚾ . Honestly I don't think baseball has to change anything or speed up its pace. That's what makes it the most of all the major sports. So in my opinion the onus and the responsibility of drawing more black American ball players to this sports falls on those who dictate popular black culture. The rappers, singers, actors, celebrities, famous personalities. If they want to have more black people play baseball.....All they have to mention it. Rap about it. Sing about it. Talk about baseball in movies and shows. Make it cool for the contemporary you black crowd all over America. After that it becomes easy for baseball to be cool for black people to like and wanna play. That's the start. Then the black American ball players themselves will be their fame, legacy, and followings. Just like Jackie Robinson did in 1947 when he opened and lead the way for all black American ⚾ to be able play.
Cultural outreach is a good thing, but there can be changes to the game made otherwise. Football and Basketball are not only faster paced, but are easier to get into for big leagues (easy as in amount of time spent before being able to go), and often will have better money immediately
@@Jonathan-A.C. I see what you're saying but baseball doesn't work that. The learning curve from the minors to the majors is soooo much higher. Most kids can't go from High School/College to the Pros. They'll get eaten alive by big leagues pitching.
@@Shinobi33 Then you implement other changes to affect the game. Faster pacing of the game itself, adding skills challenges and mini games like Nelly said here (what I’m most in favor of here), allowing many of their title stars to be big icons for the sport in their own ways, etc.
@@Jonathan-A.C. look man the problem is 1. Poor inner city kids don't wanna dedicate 3-4yrs slumming in the minor before they get real money in the MLB and 2. Until a dope black player that comes into the game from the hood that others can relate to and decide they wanna play ⚾ like him too then nothing will change. Most American ball players today come from middle class backgrounds or all former players' kids or relatives. So inner city kids don't relate to them and could care less. Plus if Ken Griffey played today he would not be as popular in the black community as he was then when black culture then was cool with it. Now not the same
That's in Basketball too though ..... James Jones won a 3 point contest he ain't never been in an Allstar game...... Zach Lavine a Back to Back dunk champ and he ain't started half a season before
It takes longer to get to the MLB because baseball is harder to master than the other major sports.For example, One of the greatest athlete of all time, Michael Jordan, wasn't even a good minor league player. It's a shame that black athletes are not dedicating themselves to play baseball anymore. Baseball would be so much better if they did.
He did okay for someone who had many years away from it. If he had played for another year or two in the mine is he probably would have made the Major League. He had basketball to fall back on. Michael was a good baseball player back in the day
Main reason is that everyone in charge is or was taught that this is the sport that is the last sport white people can hold on to. I hit .300 in the minors, .294 in 2 years of AAA and after minor surgery never played again. I had 2 years of 64+ rbis out of the lead off spot. Hit 47 doubles one year. Was 2nd on the team in hrs one year. Was a 4th round pick. Never got into any trouble. Had guys hitting .260 with 10dbls and 5hrs make it up and weren't black. Just the way it is. Glad my 2 sons dont want to play and dont make them. I coach for a living and never told them to play or not play. Probably in them not to try with all the bull involved.
All sports publicize the HR, the Dunk, the 3pt contest. Not fundamentals. You know what could help? Another Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders playing 2 sports.
So basically, what Stephen A. Smith and Nelly are saying, is that black men are too damn impatient to spend the time to hone their craft and be the absolute best. Mike Trout wasn't the best at DAY ONE. It took him a while to ease in to major league level play. Same with Mookie Betts. So if that's what they're saying, then most black athletes are looking to get paid first and foremost? I don't believe it, I think it's demeaning to their own people. It's simply that the game hasn't evolved like football or basketball, and even the best baseball players (minus a few like Trout, Betts, Harper), don't get the national spotlight like major basketball or football players do.
You are spot on and it is offensive because it takes hard work and persistence to play any pro sport. Most professional athletes have a average career of up to 5 years abdd so mist players aren’t top tier in their sport. Baseball has not evolved and been a victim of its own greed. Travel ball doesn’t help either because it costs more to play than basketball. Mookie Betts is a top player and the marketing do or him sucks. Hell, Mike Trout doesn’t get marketed well and he’s been considered the best player for years.
I think they’re more saying that they are more focused on getting profit or success immediately than later, for whatever reasons those may be. It’s just better to go into Basketball/Football than it is into the slower paced and far slower progression based Baseball. Progression of overall skill and talent is another thing, and that is something that takes awhile for the player regardless of sport
Can't remember him in the super bowl, but in the NFC championship against the Vikings? Man he balled out. Most think that he was the last white corner, but there were a couple of guys that played after him
So is it a bad thing that African-Americans aren’t as good at baseball than say Latino-Americans and Caucasians? No it’s not. so I don’t understand those argument here
MLB teams choose the best players regardless of color. For the past couple of decades, Latin players have been the best in the world, it's that simple.
African americans can train harder, put in the work! yes it is more than cutting a check, its about putting in the work! total work, not just being fast, or the ability to catch the ball! hitting is huge, there are many a white man that has all the fielding ability, speed, but he cant hit. he gets turned away also! the difference, he don't blame the game, he understands he does not have the things needed in the mlb, he understands the mlb does not need to change to make him a player, he needs to change to make himself better suited to the game! this is the participation era, If you participate you deserve a trophy, or in mlb case a pay check. no you don't, earn your place! if you cant, get a job like the rest of us! this whole bend the worlds ways to make room for the black man is getting really fucking old! hate me if you like but this is the truth!
Couldn't agree more! I've privately wondered to myself why African American young men have turned away from baseball. Everybody points the finger to "the wait". Getting drafted, having to be patient while in the minors.... Why? If that is the best answer that anybody can come up with, then somebody please explain to me why the black young men are so much more impatient than anybody else when it comes to the MLB? You don't think the white people in the minors are dying to "get paid"? EVERYBODY wants to get paid! So what? Why is that such a deterrent for African American young men? It's the same rules, same system everybody else has to work through! They are the only ones that allow it to deter them from the game, then turn around and bitch about the system!
Baseball is boring... That's why blacks aren't playing that shit... Plain and simple. But hey, the ratings have seemed to rise since black people aren't the kings of baseball anymore. Maybe that's because whites have seemed to gravitate to the game like never before. Baseball is a sport that white people can call their own. Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I don't think the league want black players. If they did, they would market it in black neighborhoods. They can have that boring shit...
The issue is not being impatient. If black kids think it’s boring then they won’t play. You have to be patient in all sports. Stop acting like baseball us so special that it takes more dedication and skill than other sports. You will be patient if it’s worth the wait. Bottom line is baseball doesn’t have its shit together and they don’t market to black folks to get involved. They always have labor disputes and have made themselves uncool. This idea that black folks don’t have the patience or skills to work hard at is the same racist attitudes we’ve faced in this country. If they really wanted more black players they would go after them. Hell the NBA is making themselves more popular with the international crowd which is why there are more foreigners playing. That’s by design.
What happened to individual choice? Maybe Black kids, as individuals, just don't want to play basketball? Why is this a problem that needs a fIx? What can we do to get more White and Asian kids to play basketball? All just silliness. Skip and Stephen are acting so serious about this that it is comical.
Meant to say baseball, not basketball for Black kids. But while we mention it, maybe Black kids should just be encouraged to find what they enjoy doing and to pursue those things. May not be sports at all.
well you are talking about black kids in america... every single year, more and more black kids from latinoamerican countries like cuba, rep dominicana, and venezuela, some panama or PR are joining and getting signed by the MLB. For me, this have more to do with the trends in their childhood (for black american kids). In america looks like the most popular sport right now (in social media, TV coverage, etc) is the baskeball so yeah, kids are playing more that, also basketball is more dynamic sport. This isn't a problem at all, the only ones who have a problem is the MLB and baseball in general.
Wow! You could not have picked the 2 worst examples. Russell Wilson was drafted into the MLB. Patrick Mahomes' dad is Pat Mahomes, a Major League pitcher.
@@stevenweech8888 there aren't many Hispanic Americans in football, basketball, or hockey for that matter. So the point about Latin American athletes getting no exposure is moot. They choose not to play it overall.
I think this is one of the dumbest arguments out there. It's not a problem at all. Blacks dominate in the football and basketball pools but because they don't have the numbers in baseball it's bad? Please. I do like his point about patience though I think that's derived from the fact a lot of blacks are born into poverty and they don't have the luxury to have that patience because of the fail rate me the time it takes while their parents are struggling because Daddy wasn't there (not a dig just an unfortunate fact more than 60% of African Americans are born without a biological father) But a lot of the black poverty is self inflicted unfortunately but everyone's looking to point the fingers on their neighbor or government because they're not where they want to be.
PB McGriddle, SD and TS - I think that all of you missed the point. Even though baseball has some things to explain about some discriminatory front office hiring practices in the 1970's and 1980's, baseball people would very much like to compete with basketball and football for the best athletes of ANY color or nationality. Since there are black people who live in the U.S., then MLB would like the chance to have them show more interest in baseball. Amateur baseball at the kids' level is frightfully expensive for parents,at the moment, and lacrosse and soccer have made huge dents in the number of young people playing baseball in the suburbs.It may be that skin color has less and less to do with this.
''No Blacks in Baseball?'' so what? it's a business with multi million dollar contracts. put up or shut up. and don't give me this nonesense about markerting. it's competition.
blacks are not really into mlb. no reason at all to blame mlb that there are not more bruthas;besides, most bruthas are all about me me me and baseball is not geared that way.
When Nelly said "where's the skill competition," I stop listening and turned it off. The NHL runs skill competition on their All-Star games and I don't see black people forming a line to sign up for hockey.. The fact is, there are more scholarships to go around in college for basketball and football then baseball. College football and basketball get more exposure then college baseball. So you're a young black male living in poverty or whatever your situation is and have an opportunity to go to college to show off your skill set in front of millions of viewers are you really going to pick baseball?
They are being replaced by Dominicans and Asians, but overall what's the problem? Maybe blacks do not want to play baseball? So what? Why are these shows on the air?
Not because of the race, Caribbean blacks are also very good at baseball, American blacks just have more interest in other sports
he makes a good point that it can take longer to make it to majors in baseball than other sports. flip side is that baseball players have much more longevity than football or basketball players, so if you do make majors in baseball, you will likely have much longer career. Frank Thomas said that was a major reason why he chose baseball over football.
True but because of the declining media coverage of it there is less endorsement money opportunities. So sure you can have a longer career but there are former NBA players who are still making money with endorsement deals and partnerships even after they retire. That side of the money is harder to set up in baseball.
@@RamaSivamani you would think the decline of baseball would hurt the players finances, but it hasn’t. The deals just keep getting bigger and bigger. I have literally no idea how an MLB team can afford to pay their players 200+ million when they can’t fill stands. Endorsement deals definitely going down though.
Nelly nailed it when he talking about charisma
The real reason the number of black players in baseball is going down is because black people just aren't that interested in baseball anymore. They'll play baseball, football and basketball as kids but when it comes time to pick one to focus on they go for basketball or football. Basketball and football are more enjoyable to play because there's more involvement in them. Kids just don't want to stand idle in the outfield for 3 hours and bat 4 times in that timespan. It's a different world now unfortunately.
I agree. I think it also has to do with the fact that it's not flashy enough, particularly on an individual level.
Damn nelly actually with some good thoughts and ideas
He's never been a dumb guy. And he was a really good baseball player when he was younger
Baseball did have a skills competition at the All Star Game. But, in 1991 or 92 All Star Game, Barry Larkin hurt his elbow on a throw during the relay throw competition. I don't think they did another skills competition after that year.
cardinals don't get respect ? lol... anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that the cards are one of the prime organizations
CL3 Media speak on it.
The declining numbers of blacks has nothing to do with the organization, it is the culture that they are raised in. Theyre all interested in basketball and football wayy more than any other sport. Everyone has their own way of getting out of their shitty situations. Latinos have baseball and thats why there are so many of them, as for blacks it is basketball and football because it is much less about skill and more about physical prowess. Look at Dee Gordon for example, he is one of the fastest in baseball and was one of the best in the league some years ago, but he didnt even want to play baseball coming up as a kid. Look up his doc.
That's not true Latinos willing to practices football , baseball and boxing because are more popular among us . American football and basketball are not .
@@antoniomoreno3142 Yeah it just has to do with what you like. We love our baseball and boxing, soccer as well. I don't like soccer but love baseball and boxing. If it was just about physical, we wouldn't make some of the best boxers. It doesn't get more physical than boxing.
I’m very dumb lmfaooo
Wilder opted for boxing instead of basketball or football. Dwayne Johnson turned into wrestling when he realize he have no future with football. If only black kids realize that basketball and football are not the only solution for their poverty problems, they would try something like hockey and baseball.
@@suiken3149
That’s why education is so important in poorer areas, because it facilitates people actually being able to get out of their bad situations
Baseball is the most difficult sport to play well enough to get paid for it. Most black men that are talented enough to play another sport well enough to be recognized by a professional team, do not want to put the work and time just to be poor in the minors for 3-5 years and there still might be a possibility they never go pro and get paid. Due to injury or anything. Those 3-5 years could be spent playing football or basketball making millions of dollars. Instead of 42,000. Also baseball is the only sport that you do not need to be a specific size. So all tall black men or thicker black men did not win the genetic lottery like they did for bball or football.
When you crucify the greatest player ever and collude against him to prevent him from reaching 3,000 hits doesn't help.
the minors is a huge reason, if you look at many of the black basketball players, many grew up poor and or with single parent. The minors you are still broke while you work on your skills. Much faster to get a good paycheck by going straight to Basketball or football.
I would argue Hispanic kids are poor as well so maybe not the case good point tho
@@jermainelewis607 The difference is Hispanic players would be making like $50 a month in D.R or Cuba or Venezuela. At least in the U.S in the minors they'll at least be making $500.00 a week. That's a huge upgrade.
In my experience, none of my black friends play or played baseball. They prefer football or basketball, that's just a fact.
Sad but true, I teach and the black kids look at me weird when I wear my Cleveland Indians gear and tell them I love baseball.
@@THERSC216 That's because it's different now for these kids and I grew up a Cleveland Indians fan and it was a lot more Indians fans than Cavs fans that were black growing up in 90's and I was one of them
It's all following, there's some black kids at the little league level then they all stop playing it. There was always Latin kids on the baseball field at the park by me. I took my lil bro there for batting practice and then black kids got interested because they saw a black face playing baseball and wanted to take some BP. I got annoyed when a friend told me it's a white sport. It shows how people lack knowledge in how much of a black sport baseball is. Just check the all-time home run hitters.
@@dontdoittoyoself6786 Barry bonds was on juice but i get your point
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Yeah on a specific point, I find it intriguing how people think Baseball of all sports isn’t as quick to be inclusive towards other races, when it was literally Jackie Robinson as “the guy” in Baseball before any other black dude in sports
I don’t know why is this even a discussion. I’m tired of people bringing race into every conversation oh he’s black, oh he’s white. Black people choose to play basketball and football. People are free to play whatever they want to play.
True
@Ade Ayodele so just because blacks are more interested in playing basketball and football rather than baseball it should be a discussion of why and more blacks should play baseball?
Looking at your thumbnail, who the F**K are you to talk non-racial BS? Got news for you, you can be non-judgmental and treat your fellow man as equals from birth to dirth. Yet a day will never go by where you will avoid being reminded of hate. Hell, we're all members of TDC.... THE DEAD CLUB. Only fraternity where all humans have no say. Because ALL will eventually join...🤣🇵🇷🇺🇸🗽🦂😎
@@husseinalsalami2148 because it’s a damn discussion on blacks in baseball. You know, the people who helped advance the sport despite being blocked from playing at one point. Why the hell do you even get in the conversation if you don’t care? There are black people who would like to see our own get back into something we helped elevate. I’m tired of non black folks upset about black issues that don’t concern them. We are a big part of AMERICAN culture whether you like it or not. We built the damn country and have a large foundation in its culture. Baseball is one of them and it’s an interesting discussion to have. Unfortunately race did make this country what it is so race and racism is going to be at the forefront of a lot of our issues.
@@oaktownA pathetic.
Wow nelly had something to say!,
Why shouldn't he?
So what Nelly and Steven A are saying is, Black Athletes cant get enough attention and immediate gratification in Baseball. Maybe its because its not all about how fast you run or how high you jump. Maybe its because their are guys like Seth Maness who can suceed, while a big strong guy can fail. Sorry Nelly, just callin a spade a spade
Nahh ur stupid stfu Nelly is right
+kevin sims No he isnt. The reason why blacks in baseball is declining is not because of not getting noticed but because in the inner city, baseball is not able to be played as much as things like basketball.
Times change. Football and Basketball had different demographics years ago as well .People are social creatures. One day times will change and you will see a reversal because quote unquote it is" the thing to do."
kevin sims I bet my paycheck you are black.
Don't forget, they don't let you get pussy in the summertime at the park, because you gotta practice...
Baseball isn't cool in black communities in the US like basketball and football. It's sad.
Because it’s hard to play baseball in the city. No fields, no space, the equipment is expensive. Damn shame, cuz it’s really one of the greater sports today.
Pretty astute analysis.
Nelly did his thing came with that HEAT on this show.
No Blacks in baseball ? But plenty of Mexicans and Latinos though. ⚾
so what if theres no black... in NBA almost all player are black and its not racial discrimination
Why he ain't played hockey
butsik finkel to quote Chris Rock, “The reason brothers ain’t dominating the NHL is because there ain’t no heated hockey rinks.”
Nelly ....he's bang on. Love this . I'm a white guy who played his whole life in baseball in the minors in Australia. He's spot on. The skills challenge thing was done at every level in Oz.
As a black kid growing up in NYC in the late 70s to early 90s I loved baseball and so did the kids on my street all our favorite players were Dave Winfield Dwight Goode and Darryl strawberry and my personal favorite was George foster and Ellis vallintine nowadays black kids just don't see baseball as one of the "cool" sports anymore now its either football or basketball sadly its just a fact now.
Steven A’s response to Nelly shows that people that actually played the game need to be Analyst.
I disagree that baseball stifles charisma. The Latin black ball players do their thing nowadays. The black American ball players of the 60's 70's 80's and early 90's did it their way with a lot of style. I.E. Willie Mays, Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson, and Ken Griffey Jr. They all had their flair and style. As long as you play the game the right way and you're good you can can be as cool as you wanna be. The problem is baseball is just not seen as cool in contemporary black music and culture anymore. If you look at the 40-to the early 60's ⚾ complented that jazz music and culture very well. Cause just like jazz music a baseball game can be going very slowly and then there's an upswing in tempo and things to start pick up and start going. And then slow down be cool again. And Jazz was the cool black music. Then R&B came into the picture with its tempos and beats. And styles of dressing and Afros and other haircuts it inspired. And thay still complemented baseball. They went well with each other. Then disco and early days of hip-hop emerged and the music started to speed up a bit more and get a bit more aggresive with the beats and flow of lyrics. As well as the style of clothing and how you carried yourself changed in the black culture. It reflected the more warrior like mentality of football and basketball of scoring on each other and crossing into their endzones. Just like in the early days of hip-hop with battle rapping. Baseball doesn't really reflect that it's different. Like George Carlin in baseball you don't score you go home. Lol So.....yea I think contemporary black music culture has a lot to do with the dwindling numbers of black Americans. I mean you barely even hear baseball mentioned in a rap song. Wheather it be mentioned in a metaphor or the naming of a current famous baseball player. I mean it happens but rarely. On the other hand Lebron James Stephen Curry Cam Newton and Odell Beckham Jr's names come up often in today's rap songs. So then it becomes a question of how major league baseball should take onus of speeding up the pace of the game. Or taking other measures to attract young the African-American generation to liking and wanting to play ⚾ . Honestly I don't think baseball has to change anything or speed up its pace. That's what makes it the most of all the major sports. So in my opinion the onus and the responsibility of drawing more black American ball players to this sports falls on those who dictate popular black culture. The rappers, singers, actors, celebrities, famous personalities. If they want to have more black people play baseball.....All they have to mention it. Rap about it. Sing about it. Talk about baseball in movies and shows. Make it cool for the contemporary you black crowd all over America. After that it becomes easy for baseball to be cool for black people to like and wanna play. That's the start. Then the black American ball players themselves will be their fame, legacy, and followings. Just like Jackie Robinson did in 1947 when he opened and lead the way for all black American ⚾ to be able play.
In total agreement with you. The black culture influences the black athletes in participating in the sports they deem "Cool" .
Cultural outreach is a good thing, but there can be changes to the game made otherwise. Football and Basketball are not only faster paced, but are easier to get into for big leagues (easy as in amount of time spent before being able to go), and often will have better money immediately
@@Jonathan-A.C. I see what you're saying but baseball doesn't work that. The learning curve from the minors to the majors is soooo much higher. Most kids can't go from High School/College to the Pros. They'll get eaten alive by big leagues pitching.
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Then you implement other changes to affect the game.
Faster pacing of the game itself, adding skills challenges and mini games like Nelly said here (what I’m most in favor of here), allowing many of their title stars to be big icons for the sport in their own ways, etc.
@@Jonathan-A.C. look man the problem is 1. Poor inner city kids don't wanna dedicate 3-4yrs slumming in the minor before they get real money in the MLB and 2. Until a dope black player that comes into the game from the hood that others can relate to and decide they wanna play ⚾ like him too then nothing will change. Most American ball players today come from middle class backgrounds or all former players' kids or relatives. So inner city kids don't relate to them and could care less. Plus if Ken Griffey played today he would not be as popular in the black community as he was then when black culture then was cool with it. Now not the same
That's in Basketball too though ..... James Jones won a 3 point contest he ain't never been in an Allstar game...... Zach Lavine a Back to Back dunk champ and he ain't started half a season before
It takes longer to get to the MLB because baseball is harder to master than the other major sports.For example, One of the greatest athlete of all time, Michael Jordan, wasn't even a good minor league player. It's a shame that black athletes are not dedicating themselves to play baseball anymore. Baseball would be so much better if they did.
He did okay for someone who had many years away from it. If he had played for another year or two in the mine is he probably would have made the Major League. He had basketball to fall back on. Michael was a good baseball player back in the day
How much a star MLB player earn compare to the bench warmers of NFL and NBA?
Cardinals building then nice core of black players now. Winn, Walker, Scott, Davis, Hence could play big roles in the future of the team
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Main reason is that everyone in charge is or was taught that this is the sport that is the last sport white people can hold on to. I hit .300 in the minors, .294 in 2 years of AAA and after minor surgery never played again. I had 2 years of 64+ rbis out of the lead off spot. Hit 47 doubles one year. Was 2nd on the team in hrs one year. Was a 4th round pick. Never got into any trouble. Had guys hitting .260 with 10dbls and 5hrs make it up and weren't black. Just the way it is. Glad my 2 sons dont want to play and dont make them. I coach for a living and never told them to play or not play. Probably in them not to try with all the bull involved.
So why is baseball so attractive to Latinos and Chicanos ?
What team did you play for and what year
All sports publicize the HR, the Dunk, the 3pt contest. Not fundamentals. You know what could help? Another Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders playing 2 sports.
I got his point and I liked it but it doesn’t answer the main reason why African American interest in baseball has decrease
It's the parents fault. You guide your kids on what to do.
Baseball isn’t flashy and fast paced like basketball is; black Americans like that flashiness and speed.
No blacks in the NHL. Why isn't anyone crying about that??
marlon brando no one gives a damn about NHL.
100spurs nobody plays it really in general it’s not because it’s bad
There actually are black people in the NHL.
So basically, what Stephen A. Smith and Nelly are saying, is that black men are too damn impatient to spend the time to hone their craft and be the absolute best. Mike Trout wasn't the best at DAY ONE. It took him a while to ease in to major league level play. Same with Mookie Betts. So if that's what they're saying, then most black athletes are looking to get paid first and foremost? I don't believe it, I think it's demeaning to their own people.
It's simply that the game hasn't evolved like football or basketball, and even the best baseball players (minus a few like Trout, Betts, Harper), don't get the national spotlight like major basketball or football players do.
You are spot on and it is offensive because it takes hard work and persistence to play any pro sport. Most professional athletes have a average career of up to 5 years abdd so mist players aren’t top tier in their sport. Baseball has not evolved and been a victim of its own greed. Travel ball doesn’t help either because it costs more to play than basketball. Mookie Betts is a top player and the marketing do or him sucks. Hell, Mike Trout doesn’t get marketed well and he’s been considered the best player for years.
I think they’re more saying that they are more focused on getting profit or success immediately than later, for whatever reasons those may be. It’s just better to go into Basketball/Football than it is into the slower paced and far slower progression based Baseball.
Progression of overall skill and talent is another thing, and that is something that takes awhile for the player regardless of sport
Better question, where are all the white cornerback?
Jason Seahorn in the super bowl officially unallowed white guys to play CB
Can't remember him in the super bowl, but in the NFC championship against the Vikings? Man he balled out.
Most think that he was the last white corner, but there were a couple of guys that played after him
Maybe black celebrities should stop talking about how fucking boring baseball is.
So is it a bad thing that African-Americans aren’t as good at baseball than say Latino-Americans and Caucasians? No it’s not. so I don’t understand those argument here
MLB teams choose the best players regardless of color. For the past couple of decades, Latin players have been the best in the world, it's that simple.
The demographics of baseball follow those of the US interesting. Whites majority followed by Hispanics, Asian and then African Americans.
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The Democrat media almost never talks about the dwindling number of European Americans in Football.
If I can t Dance I don t want to play it. And I have white BOY rhythm.
African americans can train harder, put in the work! yes it is more than cutting a check, its about putting in the work! total work, not just being fast, or the ability to catch the ball! hitting is huge, there are many a white man that has all the fielding ability, speed, but he cant hit. he gets turned away also! the difference, he don't blame the game, he understands he does not have the things needed in the mlb, he understands the mlb does not need to change to make him a player, he needs to change to make himself better suited to the game! this is the participation era, If you participate you deserve a trophy, or in mlb case a pay check. no you don't, earn your place! if you cant, get a job like the rest of us! this whole bend the worlds ways to make room for the black man is getting really fucking old! hate me if you like but this is the truth!
Couldn't agree more! I've privately wondered to myself why African American young men have turned away from baseball. Everybody points the finger to "the wait". Getting drafted, having to be patient while in the minors.... Why? If that is the best answer that anybody can come up with, then somebody please explain to me why the black young men are so much more impatient than anybody else when it comes to the MLB? You don't think the white people in the minors are dying to "get paid"? EVERYBODY wants to get paid! So what? Why is that such a deterrent for African American young men? It's the same rules, same system everybody else has to work through! They are the only ones that allow it to deter them from the game, then turn around and bitch about the system!
Baseball is boring... That's why blacks aren't playing that shit... Plain and simple. But hey, the ratings have seemed to rise since black people aren't the kings of baseball anymore. Maybe that's because whites have seemed to gravitate to the game like never before. Baseball is a sport that white people can call their own. Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I don't think the league want black players. If they did, they would market it in black neighborhoods. They can have that boring shit...
Just Me Basketball is ours too. we invented it, thus it's ours.
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The issue is not being impatient. If black kids think it’s boring then they won’t play. You have to be patient in all sports. Stop acting like baseball us so special that it takes more dedication and skill than other sports. You will be patient if it’s worth the wait. Bottom line is baseball doesn’t have its shit together and they don’t market to black folks to get involved. They always have labor disputes and have made themselves uncool. This idea that black folks don’t have the patience or skills to work hard at is the same racist attitudes we’ve faced in this country. If they really wanted more black players they would go after them. Hell the NBA is making themselves more popular with the international crowd which is why there are more foreigners playing. That’s by design.
What happened to individual choice? Maybe Black kids, as individuals, just don't want to play basketball? Why is this a problem that needs a fIx? What can we do to get more White and Asian kids to play basketball? All just silliness. Skip and Stephen are acting so serious about this that it is comical.
Meant to say baseball, not basketball for Black kids. But while we mention it, maybe Black kids should just be encouraged to find what they enjoy doing and to pursue those things. May not be sports at all.
well you are talking about black kids in america... every single year, more and more black kids from latinoamerican countries like cuba, rep dominicana, and venezuela, some panama or PR are joining and getting signed by the MLB. For me, this have more to do with the trends in their childhood (for black american kids). In america looks like the most popular sport right now (in social media, TV coverage, etc) is the baskeball so yeah, kids are playing more that, also basketball is more dynamic sport. This isn't a problem at all, the only ones who have a problem is the MLB and baseball in general.
I just 5hink blacks like Football and Basketball and even Soccer Better than Baseball,Russel Willson and Patrick Mahomes are 2 examples
Wow! You could not have picked the 2 worst examples. Russell Wilson was drafted into the MLB. Patrick Mahomes' dad is Pat Mahomes, a Major League pitcher.
Eh, many hispanic players come from a way poorer background than black American players and they go to the minors and wait.
There's no market in hispanic countries for football and basketball so it's their only option
mainly because those sports are wayy bigger in the states. Baseball and soccer, those sports are everywhere, but i hate soccer
Basketball also
@@stevenweech8888 there aren't many Hispanic Americans in football, basketball, or hockey for that matter. So the point about Latin American athletes getting no exposure is moot. They choose not to play it overall.
Black Americans don’t like baseball anymore
Not just us. America as a whole
Who cares?
I think this is one of the dumbest arguments out there. It's not a problem at all. Blacks dominate in the football and basketball pools but because they don't have the numbers in baseball it's bad? Please. I do like his point about patience though I think that's derived from the fact a lot of blacks are born into poverty and they don't have the luxury to have that patience because of the fail rate me the time it takes while their parents are struggling because Daddy wasn't there (not a dig just an unfortunate fact more than 60% of African Americans are born without a biological father) But a lot of the black poverty is self inflicted unfortunately but everyone's looking to point the fingers on their neighbor or government because they're not where they want to be.
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Matthew Kemper A.K.A The Peanut Butter Mcgriddle 2018 I agree makes no sense
PB McGriddle, SD and TS - I think that all of you missed the point. Even though baseball has some things to explain about some discriminatory front office hiring practices in the 1970's and 1980's, baseball people would very much like to compete with basketball and football for the best athletes of ANY color or nationality.
Since there are black people who live in the U.S., then MLB would like the chance to have them show more interest in baseball. Amateur baseball at the kids' level is frightfully expensive for parents,at the moment, and lacrosse and soccer have made huge dents in the number of young people playing baseball in the suburbs.It may be that skin color has less and less to do with this.
Espn should hire Nelly
Nelly is a walking sports fact
Wow. What a shit topic to air on TV.
Lack of white Americans in Basketball will be discussed next...
I see them in High School and college. They are making a big comeback. American & Foreign.
''No Blacks in Baseball?''
so what? it's a business with multi million dollar contracts. put up or shut up. and don't give me this nonesense about markerting. it's competition.
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blacks are not really into mlb. no reason at all to blame mlb that there are not more bruthas;besides, most bruthas are all about me me me and baseball is not geared that way.
When Nelly said "where's the skill competition," I stop listening and turned it off. The NHL runs skill competition on their All-Star games and I don't see black people forming a line to sign up for hockey.. The fact is, there are more scholarships to go around in college for basketball and football then baseball. College football and basketball get more exposure then college baseball. So you're a young black male living in poverty or whatever your situation is and have an opportunity to go to college to show off your skill set in front of millions of viewers are you really going to pick baseball?
Hockey sucks
They are being replaced by Dominicans and Asians, but overall what's the problem? Maybe blacks do not want to play baseball? So what? Why are these shows on the air?
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There’s no Mexicans in basketball and you don’t here us complain quit making everything into a black thing
That sounds like a you problem. This is a black issue so wtf you care anyway?
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