Music Teacher Reacts: Ghost Love Score by Nightwish
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Hello ShawkaReacts ! Nightwish fan here, your musical quest summoned me.
Welcome to the world of symphonic metal! And thank you for checking this legendary band! This live recording is from Wacken Open Air 2013, together with Floor Jansen [pronounced Yansen], the 3rd and present female singer of the band, in front of an 82K audience.
About the instrumental and vocal added parts - it's good to know they recorded their orchestral and vocal back tracks with prestigious institutions as London Philharmonic Orchestra. London's The Metro Voices choir group and London's Young Musicians Children's Choir as their regular partners.
Since this is your first Nightwish reaction, it is my duty to give you the [updated] short history of the band concentrated by Ann Waychoff, one of the biggest Nightwish fan who has since passed away (and I am doing this in her memory):
" Nightwish was started in 1996.They are considered a Symphonic Metal band, with a female main singer. They are from Finland.
Tuomas Holopainen [pronounced Tuo-mas], the keyboard player, composes and writes the lyrics for 95% of their music. [Sami Vanska was the bassist of the band starting with their 2nd studio album, he was with them until 2001. Then Marco Hietala was bassist and vocals, since 2001 to 2020. He recently announced his retirement both from the band and the public life for the next year at least. Then in May 2021 Jukka Koskinen [pronounced Yukka] became the bassist of the band, for the Human :II: Nature tour - and recently, the band announced he became a permanent member] And there is the guitarist Emppu Vuorinen [he also recorded the bass lines for their 1st studio album]. Then there is Troy Donockley from UK who is a multi-instrumentalist and vocals. Jukka Nevalainen [pronounced Yukka] is the drummer. In 2015 due to Jukka's health issues Kai Hahto became the drummer and as of now is a permanent addition.
Nightwish has had three singers. 1st one was Tarja Turunen [pronounced Tarr-ya] (Operatic vocals). She was with them until 2005. The 2nd one was Anette Olzon from Sweden (Poppy, strong vocals). She was with them until 2012.The 3rd and current singer is Floor Jansen, from Netherlands (power, operatic, soprano.....most versatile) - you just heard her.
There are live concerts that you should use depending on what era. From Wishes to Eternity and End of an Era (Tarja), Montreux Festival live 2012 and Exit Festival (Anette), Live at Wacken 2013, Live at Wembley, Live at Tampere, Vehicle of Spirit, Decades live (Floor). I hope this helps.
I want to welcome you to the Nightwish community. I hope you like them enough to continue the journey. Believe me Nightwish will surprise you with their songs. You will never know what to expect. They are unbelievable live. I want to warn you that Nightwish fans are hard core. So be prepared. lol "
For an extended set of suggestion (with links), I just posted 2 huge comments in the community tab in my main YT channel: www.youtube.com/@gabriel.bardac/community
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nice Gabriel, your prompt arrival is welcomed
Hi General ! That was real quick !! :))
I concur 😋
I concur
I concur
You are hearing the pre-recorded backing tracks by the London philharmonic orchestra and metro choir. Yes, Floor Jansen has both classical and musical theater training.
You seem to understand instinctively how Nightwish musicians approach their craft. Everything is done for the song and all egos are checked at the stage door.
Gabriel Bardac will be stopping by soon to give you copious suggestions for additional reactions.
Hope to see you again very soon!
The band play to a click-track in their in-ear monitor to keep in perfect sync.
She has also study on a rock academy in Breda for 4 years.
@@helenooft9664 Tilburg!
@@vogel2280 hi,hi, sorry, natuurlijk Tilburg, weet ook niet he ik dat heb kunnen mededelen. Klaarblijkelijk verstandsverbijstering.
@@helenooft9664 brainfarts, wie heeft ze niet van tijd tot tijd. 😉
Originally Floor was sent by Allfather Odhinn to Midgard to gather the souls of fallen warriors to Valhalla, but she
got distracted and joined a series of bands. However, Floor still gathers souls by her grace, beauty and the sheer power
of her vocals.
We give thanks for her at our Blots regularly and hope that Odhinn won't notice that she has never returned to Asgard.
ALL HAIL THE VALKYRIE GODDESS!!!
The Nightwish Army is incoming! You're not ready!
Nightwish Army Central Florida Black Company reporting for duty!
"got distracted and joined a series of bands"
🤣🤣🤣
Tuomas Holopäinen is the heart and mind of Nightwish, he writes all the songs and the lyrics too. In his more than 20 years of working he has put out songs on a lot of subjects, even a 20 minutes piece on the evolution of the earth (The Greatest Show on Earth), got inspired by Steven King books (Seven Days to the Wolves) or poem from Walt Whitman (Song of Myself), wrote a song about internet trolls (Yours is an Empty Hope) and misuse of Social Media (Noise), about an astrophysicist whose ashes were buried on the moon (Shoemaker) or just about simple human compassion (How's the Heart).
Holopainen. Not every finnish word has to have an ä in it 😁
One of the best composers in all of time
Broadway sound almost as an insult in these setting. Why are you Americans always have to relate or compare something at your own stuff ? It sounds like a lack of knowledge. It’s not at all a musical or broadway sound, or vibe. If you feel that way, just visit a festival like Wacken, it will clear your mind.
@@wimgeefshuysen3879 I was kinda thinking the same thing but I also think it isn't strange to compare within your own frame of reference. And those things are high regarded so it's never meant insulting, just a bit uninformed, perhaps.
Neem het met een korreltje zout, Wim.😉
@@wimgeefshuysen3879 All music is connected in some way no matter what the genre. To not compare and contrast a song to other genres is a far more ignorant offense in my opinion.
I also don't appreciate you inferring that Broadway music is an insult to Nightwish. This channel is for people that appreciate ALL types of music. Please keep comments like that to yourself in the future.
This woman, in my opinion, is the literal greatest of our era.
Some people never gets it. You got it half way through your first Nightwish song. It's all about serving the song, the composition and not showing off. That being said, you should listen to Empu's solo in Romanticide. He can shred, but he only does it when it's appropriate.
Exactly, and his solos in the tribute to Pink Floyd with High Hopes ... the man can play with anyone
If this is truly in your wheelhouse, you have a very deep rabbit hole before you. You have merely glimpsed the tip of the iceberg from the horizon with regard to what this band is capable of.
General Gabriel of the Nightwish Army has given you a fantastic roadmap to follow.
Nightwish Army Arizona Division checking in. 🌵🇺🇲
Nightwish Army North Texas division reporting for duty. Welcome to the wonderful world of Floor Jansen and Nightwish. Symphonic metal at its best. Always a pleasure to watch someone experience Nightwish with this sonf, for the first time. Nice reaction! The band is Finnish and Floor is Dutch. She is the third lead singer the band has had, and can seemingly sing anything she wants exactly how she wants. She has had some classical training, but has really always been a metal chick at heart. The band formed in 1996 and has had personnel changes, but is currently on tour in Europe today. Tuomas, the composer and keyboardist, composes , arranges and records the backing tracks with the London Symphony and controls the playback during live performances. He also plays some of the string pieces with the keyboard. They don’t use live orchestra or choir during the concerts. Emppu, the guitarist, never tries to show off, and plays just what fits the song perfectly. This band is best experienced live. This song has a lot of variety, but is just the tip of the iceberg with what the band is capable of. Read what General Gabriel sends you to help you learn more and assist you in your journey. Enjoy!
Floor Jansen (singer) had 6 years rock/theater school, conservatorium, and 1 year opera training. She can sing from opera and metal growl and everything between. She is the best and diverse metal singer in the world at the moment. Gabriel will tell you more about the band.
For me Floor is one of the best at all. Many reasons..
Not just metal.
Conservatorium is Opera training ( school- lessens)
Not correct!
Floor did 4 years of Rock Academy (nowadays called: Fontys School of Fine and Performing Arts) and is a HBO school (the equivalent of US college education). While studying there, she got in contact with a conservatory teacher, who mentored her from then on. After the Rock Academy, she went to the conservatory and did 1 year Musical Theatre and 1 year Belcanto (classical). She was in the band 'After Forever' (1995 - 2009) from age 16. She worked a few years as a vocal coach before and was coping with a burnout when being asked to help Nightwish to finish the US tour, because they'd lost their lead vocalist halfway the tour. Floor stepped in for the remainder and renewed enthousiasm got her out of her burnout. She fitted in very well and after a few months it became clear to the other bandmembers that Floor was the one for the vacancy and was officially presented to the public as the new lead vocalist at the Wacken 2013 concert.
Watch 'Floor Jansen - De Reunie': ruclips.net/video/B3NIfu0qvtg/видео.html (Dutch language with English and Finnish subs)
@@peterang6912 Conservatory is an institution for education in musical performance and composition. Not limited to classical singing (Belcanto) and in Floor's case, she did 1 year Musical Theatre and 1 year Belcanto at the conservatory. See my other post.
Aaaand another fellow of the Nightwish army reporting in 🙂 probably lots more fellows will join later.
If you want more information probably soon Gabriel will show up - he is the man. I just follow and cheer.
Several fellows already answered you about the orhestral sound being a special prerecorded backtrack and that our valkyrie goddess Floor Jansen did have some classical training.
Thanks a lot for your joyful reaction and analytical parts.
Hoping for further Nightwish songs - their range in performing symphonic metal is really great (although a lot of their music is much more metal and heavier). And yes - they try to play their music precise and dont "improvise"... well... mostly not at all. Some music is meant to be performed as created by the composer - who in this case is Tuomas at the keyboards.
And yes - Wacken is (here) in Germany a very small town and is hosting one of the biggest metal festivals in the world once a year. Up to 80.000 metal fans are in the audience.
Wish you all the best and will check out your other videos. 🙂
Nightwish’s genre is generally called symphonic metal. So good call on your part. Floor has extensive vocal training and experience. She’s also a vocal coach and easily one of the most versatile and gifted vocalists out there. She can handle any style of music you hand her and seamlessly switch back and forth at will. She’s even sung a page from a phonebook following a request during an interview, and performed it brilliantly. It’s up on RUclips and well worth the search.
If you want live orchestra with metal, check out the band Epica’s live performance of their song Sancta Terra. Floor Jansen appears with them as a guest vocalist on that number.
I concur! 2 amazing soprano/ metal queens in one song 🔥
I concur. Floor and Simone are amazing with the live orchestra and large choir on stage. They also sing a classical duet in Latin with only the orchestra. Floor sings the Alto part
@@ecbftl Yeah that one too! Stabat Mater Dolorosa feat. Floor from the same Epica concert as Sancta Terra feat. Floor.
I heartily concur
Welcome to the world of Symphonic Metal and the biggest rabbit hole of all times that is Nightwish. General Gabriel will fill you in with all the details, he will be here soon.
i was at their performance (20/11/22) and they are still the best live band. Floor is a real athlete, she is like a good wine, getting better and stronger over the years.🤟🏻🤟🏻🎶🎶
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My daughter, then in her mid 20's, first showed me Nightwish doing their version of Phantom of the opera live in the mid 2000's & I was completely hooked & have listened to all their stuff very regularly ever since that first intro to this band. Their live version of 'Phantom' just blew me completely away & made me a hopeless addict of them!
Hello
Nightwish Army reporting from the Netherlands.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Nightwish.
They are from Finland.
And they make symphonic metal.
What you've heard here is just the tip of what this band can do.
Nightwish really hits you in your heart.
And that's what makes this band so unique.
Her name is Floor Jansen and she is Dutch.
There were 82,000 people there.
I happily refer you to Gabriel Bardac's comment (he'll be here soon) for a list with lots of song suggestion.
Watch out for the Nightwish Army.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
So fun and interesting to watch a react with a commentator that has the chops to let us in on different aspects of the performance. Thank you for you transparency and excellent react. Keep’em coming!
Hello
I have some info on Floor Jansen for you here.
She is married to Hannes Van Dahl, drummer of the Swedish power metal band Sabaton. Together they have a daughter. ( Freja )
Floor Jansen is a soprano, with a range of more than 4 octaves (Eb2 to F6). Re-singing style ranges from opera to screams and grunts. She usually sings in English, in addition she has also sung songs in Dutch, German, Spanish, Finnish, Latin, Italian and Swedish.
Jansen was the singer of the Dutch metal band After Forever from 1997 to early 2009. From 1999 she studied at the Rockacademie in Tilburg with classmates Jacqueline Govaert and Danny Vera, where she graduated in 2003. In addition to her activities at After Forever, she cool singing lessons. She plays guitar, piano and flute. On May 5, 2010, she presented her new band ReVamp, which was disbanded in September 2016.
From 1 October 2012 Jansen replaced Anette Olzon as singer of Nightwish during the Imaginaerum World Tour. On October 9, 2013, it was announced that she would be the group's regular new front singer. In 2015, Nightwish released the album Endless Forms Most Beautiful with Jansen as lead singer. Nightwish's second studio album with Jansen as front singer, Human. :II: Nature., was released in April 2020.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Frenk you could have mentioned her nationality ... she is Dutch.
Very good job on Floor's history. 👏
For the Nightwish composer, Tuomas Holopainen, the full symphony orchestra and the choir are a "great sounding keyboard" and he has stated that if he had eight hands, he could play everything. With only two hands he has to use the backing track (which is played by London Philharmonic Orchestra and Metro Voices choir). Ghost Love Score was recorded in 2004 and Nightwish was founded in 1996
Didn't I read somewhere that for compositional purposes he has a keyboard that is capable of reproduction of and sound the London Philharmonic can produce?
@@christoneymobile I believe he has custom synth packs made from the philharmonic. As the other person mentioned, his 2 hands can onky play so many orchestral syth parts, despite having 2-3 keyboards at his disposal. So the live shows are a mix of him via key syths and back tracks of the philharmonic and choral recordings.
It's not exactly Broadway but one of their more metal songs, Yours Is An Empty Hope, was recently featured in an episode of The Simpsons. For a band primarily from Finland, with a Dutch vocalist and an English multi-instrumentalist, that is relatively unknown in the US, it's a huge amount of exposure! Enjoyed your reaction. Stay safe 🤘 ✌️
I would recommend you try "Storytime", then "Romanticide", from this same concert video. "Storytime" is both more metal and more musical theater; the latter is just flat out hard rock...
I concur!
Everyone remembers their first time…
Always fun to see another music nerd fall under the spell of the ValkyrieGoddes of Symphonic Metal (Floor Jansen) Welcome to the Nightwish Army 😀
Nightwish predates Wicked. They have been around since the Mid-90s. Floor is their 3rd lead singer, she's been with them for 10 years now.
The musical style is "Symphonic Metal." It's hard to pin them down though, their sound ranges WIDLY.
This was the first time most of the 80K+ people at the Wacken Open Air Festival in Germany had ever heard her sing, she had been with the band for a little more than six months after being bought on board mid-tour when the band parted ways with their 2nd vocalist. She was asked to learn the setlist in 48 Hours.
The Symphonic elements you hear are tracks written by the Keyboardist Tuomas and played by the London Philharmonic. It's often really hard when watching Nightwish play live to tell what Tuomas is playing through an effect on his keyboards and what is a backing track. No, no one will give you hell about the backing tracks. It's a huge part of the sound of what they do.
Yes, Floor is classically trained. She studied music at the Dutch Rock Academy starting in 1999, entering the Conservatorium Tilburg three years later. She studied musical theatre and a year of opera. And she's a ridiculously versatile absolute bad-ass who recently added Breast Cancer to the long and distinguished list of asses she kicks.
Based on this reaction, I think you'd like "Storytime" from the same concert. The Rest of the Nightwish Army will be along shortly to give you plenty of recommendations though. And yes, They will ALL knock your socks off. Enjoy the ride.
Wacken 2013 was august 1-4 2013. Floor had her first show with Nightwish on october 1st 2012 (Seattle). So that's 10 months, not 6.
Hello ShawkaReacts. Nightwish Army fan here. You nailed it. This is symphonic metal. Loved your detailed reaction and analysis to this, one of the many legendary live performances by Nightwish with our 6'1" Valkyrie goddess, Floor Jansen (Yan-sen) on lead vocals. The best suggestion I can give you is read all of Gabriel Bardacs extensive comment and his link to many other amazing Nightwish live performances. Nightwish is the rare band that is better live than in studio. They seem to feed off the energy of their audiences, a feedback loop that gets stronger throughout the show. I hope to see you back again soon with another Nightwish live reaction. Thank you for this.
Floor Jansen did the Dutch music university and the Rock Academy in Tilburg (NL). She studied classical singing, but as she herself says "not to a great extent". Her heart was with Rock and Musical theatre and above all metal. She joined a symphonic metal band "After Forever" at 16. When that disbanded, she founded her own heavy metal band "Revamp", got overworked, burnt out and was asked for Nightwish at the wedding of her sister (who also can sing, by the way) to replace the lead singer on a very short notice. (See the documentary "learn the setlist in 48 hours). In this video she just learned that she was allowed to stay with Nightwish and she disbanded Revamp. Now she started a solo career besides Nightwish. She has always worked very hard.
Yes, I would need a lot of extra lives to maybe accomplish what Floor has in just one!
Nightwish are classed as a 'symphonic metal' band, a genre which has grown very popular throughout the world. The concert was at Wacken (pronounced Vakken) in Northern Germany which hosts a regular metal festival. They started out in 1996 and are still as popular as ever and touring today.
nice, do more.. you will love it ❤🔥
Nightwish Army Germany here
Hello ShawkaReacts ...Our Boss, Commander-in-Chief and General of the Nightwish Army Gabriel Bardac has already told you the most important things.
It only remains for me to say a warm welcome to the wonderful world of symphonic metal and at the same time welcome as a new recruit to the ranks of the Nightwish Army.
You've just seen and heard her, who is named by her fans worldwide in the sum of her honorifics in hundreds of React videos:
This is Our Majesty Floor Jansen, First of her Name, Goddess of the Valkyrs, Highly Queen of the Vikings, THE Lady of Nightwish, the House Band of the Gods of Asgard, Chosen Ones of Odin ,Protector of our Metal Realm
Long may she reign
She raises her hand and commands an 80k+ crowd with her incredible presence and power. Just with a wave of her hand.
A member of the Nightwish Army once said: The old gods of Asgard sent Floor Jansen down from the heavenly heights as their gift to Nightwish. They sent them armed with a sword in one hand and a microphone in the other.
And yes, I personally believe that's how it happened.
There is nothing more to say about this
Greetings from Germany
the lady
Wacken(German) pronounces as Vah-kin
19:25 The Floorgasm brings yet another convert to the family !! 😁 Welcome Brother. You are one of us now. Just FYI, that’s about 70 minutes into the show, and Floor had been killin’ it the whole way already. Also, that’s 82 THOUSAND people hanging on her every word; so, no pressure on her to Bury that (9 second long)high note.... At 6’1 and 170 pounds Floor is a smiling, singing, dancing, enchanting, stage commanding Valkyrie Goddess, and to me at least, a gift from above. Seeing the whole video of this concert, Especially the Floorgasm changed my life. It made me start listening to music again. I love watching these reaction videos and my biggest hope is that people follow and enjoy the Symphonic Metal path I was led to. Welcome to it.
A breathtaking masterpiece sung by a Valkyrie Goddess… or what Nightwish thinks of as just another day.
💙💙💙All Hail Floor !! 💙💙💙
Infantryman-Nightwish Army. US Regiment. Kentucky Battalion
RIP Ann Waychoff-Commanding General-Nightwish Army
This is the holy trinity of Nightwish songs live with Floor fronting...
Ghost Love Score live at Wacken 2013 ruclips.net/video/JYjIlHWBAVo/видео.html
Greatest Show on Earth live at Tampere 2015 ruclips.net/video/45brzDJKZ3o/видео.html DO NOT CUT THIS OFF EARLY. The Nightwish Army is Murderous behind this Sin. Be Warned. 😏
The Poet and the Pendulum live at Wembley 2016 ruclips.net/video/gbn9GczYBkw/видео.html (wait until you have a full understanding of the band’s history before you react to this one. It’ll add the context you need to fully appreciate this emotional masterpiece.)
I saw Ghost Love Score live in Amsterdam last Monday, still amazing. You are in for a treat if you continue with the Nighwish journey.
Me too, stond second row behind Emppu's beer.
On stage and off stage they had a great time during that epic performance. They all knew it right away..this is by far the ultimate version of the song.
Welcome to that Nightwish Army!!!! YOU WERE NOT READY FOR THE NOTE!!!!!!!!!
Loved your reaction, very informative and entertaining! Subbed, wanna watch your Nightwish journey! Saw them live in Minneapolis recently, quite amazing, even in a small venue.
Good you had your first floorgasm :) i still get them everytime :D
What i love about Nightwish, and especially about Empu's guitar work (the man can shred like nobody's business i might add) is the simple fact that all of them know and understand "the art of the empty space" or.. leaving things out instead of adding more.
Many musicians are excellent at their craft, but only a few understand that art i just mentioned, putting a few extra notes in is easier than leaving them out, empty space is a scary concept i guess.
But Nightwish.. they all are masters of that art, and it is why i keep comparing them to Queen, not in the style of music, but in the art of music and performing.
The following is my personal opinion so... to me, Empu is just like Brian May, never a note more than needed and always hitting that tone needed for the segment of the song or solo.
Floor i do compare to Freddie, her crowd control and stage presence is on very very nearly on par with his (nobody beats Freddie!! lol).
In that respect i can also compare Tuomas to Freddie, as a composer and keyboard player, they both knew/know exactly how melodies and compositions work and how to combine them, how to add the base structure for a concrete song.
And yes.. Marco does stack up to John Deacon as well, as do Kai/Jukka stack up to Roger Taylor in their approach of their instruments, like everyone else, every note or beat is calculated and in perfect balance, each and every time. (in case you have not yet figured it out hehehe, for me Queen ranks #1 above all for me, but Nightwish is the easy #2 in their quality of musicianship and showmanship)
This being your introduction to the band, and the way you enjoy the composing of the music, i can safely say that you are going to love your journey through the land of Nightwish.
They have so many truly amazing songs, this.. a big favorite of everyone, is literally the tip of the iceberg, you have not heard more than 30% of what they bring to the table.
Enjoy this rabbit hole Shawka, it goes deep ;)
Can I just say that your German shepherd looks way to cute on that couch.
OMG!!!! Gabriel will guide you. You will be one of our family after 3 songs. Or even after this one. Nightwish family sticks to one another. Welcome brother!!! Love from Romania!!! I just went to Vienna to see them live this past Sunday on December 4th. They still rock!!!!
Welcome to our world! It’s great to see someone that has a good foundation in music discover and appreciate Nightwish. So much more to look forward to!
Great reaction! It was so fun seeing you enjoy this. I hope you keep going down the Nightwish rabbit hole; I for one look forward to following along. =)
Love Nightwish! I found them so late - only last year, on YT reactions like this. Fell in love with them. My favorite band of all time now. I was lucky enough to see them live in NYC in May, and it was the greatest live show I have ever seen. Just amazing. Welcome to Nightwish. I suggest a few more reactions to them - Gabriel will have posted a list - I would recommend Storytime, Yours is an Empty Hope, Romanticide and Song of Myself among them, because Floor's range of styles - and the band's - are just about endless. This is but a sample lol. Great reaction by the way! You "got" them right away.
For a non-Nightwish recommendation, I'll say KZ Tandingan. Her cover of Adele's Rolling in the Deep is amazing, either the Singer or Wish Bus. I'll say her performance on The Singer of that song may be of more interest to you (spoiler alert: there are horns!). The way she arranged and sang this version, and her way of coming out on a competition stage and taking it over, as if to say, welcome to my concert, was amazing. The Wish Bus is really good too though. Look forward to more. Subscribed!
Greetings ShawkaReacts! Nightwish Army Nebraska checking in. I have enjoyed watching your reaction to Nightwish and our Goddess Floor. It was great seeing your first Floorgasm. Follow the wealth of information that Gabriel left for you and you will not go wrong. This is just the beginning of a magical journey for you.
Nightwish Army, Jacksonville Fl. Division checking in, and offering a hearty welcome. Great job, on your reaction. I look forward to following you as you fall wildly down the Nightwish rabbit hole.
Terrific reaction and analysis. They first work with Pip Williams in 2004, when they did the Once album. Here's a clip from their book:
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From the very start, Tuomas had a strong feeling that Once had to have an orchestra, come what ever may. After finishing the recording of backing tracks, the process continued in London with the legendary producer Pip Williams at the helm. Known for his work for the likes Status Quo and Uriah Heep, Williams was responsible for the orchestrations on the album.
When the Nightwish guys heard what orchestra they would be working with, their jaws hit the floor. "As Ewo and I traveled to London at the end of November to meet Pip Williams, we had no clue about the orchestra he'd gotten for us", Tuomas says. "The only thing we knew was that Williams himself would do the arrangements and that through his connections, he would hook us up with an orchestra and a choir. The first time we visited Phoenix Sound Studio, Rick Wakeman (the keyboard player of the legendary progressive rock band Yes) opened the door for us. That's when we realized we're onto something big. As we were having coffee in the studio, Pip dropped the bomb: the orchestra in question had played on The Lord of the Rings, as well as on many other Hollywood soundtracks - all recorded in this studio!"
It seems that Pip Williams wanted only the best for a band he held in great respect. "I have followed the band for some time, and it's been interesting to see how they have developed. Of course Rock bands like Deep Purple have previously used orchestras, but I really feel that Nightwish have combined the best of both worlds most successfully. They are a classic Metal band with strong classical and movie-score influences in their music."
"It was important for me that it would not be just about over-dubbing a few orchestral parts on top of a Rock band", Williams continues. "Tuomas' compositions were brilliant also in the sense that choir and orchestra could be added naturally, so that they don't sound pretentious or contrived. This is of utmost importance. The songs must be structured so as to allow the orchestra enough space. In the end, the results were quite emotive. Also, let us not forget just how good all the musicians in Nightwish are. They are perfectly sympathetic to Tuomas' vision. And Tarja's (1st lead singer) wonderful voice has done the songs great justice."
Williams knew his orchestra well. "I have worked with most of the players on different sessions for many years. Gavin Wright is a sensitive and authoritative orchestra leader, and together with Isobel Griffiths, the orchestral contractor, we were able to secure just the right musicians for each song. Anthony Pleeth, who has the lead cellist and played solo cello on 'Kuolema tekee taiteilijan', is one such example. These guys have done many, many big movie scores, as have the wonderful Metro Voices choir, and I thought this project required the kind of grandiose performance one would find on movie soundtracks by, say, Howard Shore."
Tuomas could not have been more excited about the situation. "Using the orchestra was an earthshaking experience. I only had to lie on the studio couch for two days, listening to these amazingly talented people. During the first takes, someone said into the mike, 'Are these guys really serious?'. When we began 'Ghost Love Score', a positive kind of bewilderment took over the orchestra. That, as well as 'Dark Chest of Wonders', were the first ones we recorded."
Williams was equally happy with his orchestra. "These musicians are such brilliant sight readers that it wasn't necessary to do more than a couple of rehearsals. Then we'd have a take or two of each song. It all went very smoothly. After the takes, I would check that Tuomas was happy, and then we would move on. If there was anything he wanted changed, it would be dealt with in a very short time. I must say, however, that we had prepared very well - I had been constantly on the phone with Tuomas when I was writing the arrangements. Yes, I ended up making a huge phone bill! But the groundwork paid off, as only a few small alterations were necessary."
Tuomas and Pip Williams immediately hit it off on a personal level. "Tuomas is sensitive, caring, very observant - he's what the English call a musical sponge", Williams commends. "It means he is always willing to try new ideas and absorbs the musical influences around him like a sponge. Tuomas always wants to learn more about music, its origins and sound. He has very firm ideas of what he is trying to achieve, but he also leaves space for those working with him to express themselves. He is humble, appreciative and approachable, one of the most talented musicians or composers I have ever worked with. I really think he would make an original and effective movie score composer, and I definetely want to collaborate with Tuomas again in the future - in fact, we're already talking about the next venture. I would also love to collaborate with him on a movie score at some point."
"Many times the players would come into the control room afterwards to listen to the takes, and according to Pip, that's something that doesn't happen very often," Tuomas says. "They're usually not that interested - they just do their job and leave, but now they actually listened to the songs. At the end of the last day, as I went down to thank the orchestra, they started applauding, standing up from their seats. It was one of those great moments in life."
According to Williams, a Pop or Rock artist rarely receives a standing ovation. "The musicians respected the quality of the songs and the challenge of playing such intricate and well structured music. You must remember that these guys also do simple pop sessions, songs that are very easy to play. With Nightwish, they were able to play stuff that was often as demanding as many of the classical pieces they had trained on. This was so much more than just simple 3-chord songs in 4/4 time. And let's not forget that they also had great respect for people that were prepared to take such a huge musical and financial risk, all for the sake of art! Remember, these were very expensive sessions. I'm very satisfied with my own reward for the arrangements, too."
"There is alwas a degree of compromise when mixing a Metal band with a large orchestra, as it's such a huge sound, but all in all, I'm really pleased with the end result", Pip reflects. "The main thing is that we have established a great identity with Nightwish and the orchestra, and our cooperation could be even better in the future. Seriously, Once is one of the most enjoyable projects in my career, and I've done this for 35 years!"
I'm Finnish and been Nightwish fan from the very early days and never read anything in this detail level of what you wrote - it's incredible - thanks for sharing, it as such really took me into those recording sessions in my mind and a very good and thorough facts as well!
@@kimmikke_ Thank you for your kind words. Everything about Floor is always very well covered so I just try to share some info about the guys and little bit older things what happened.
If you want to listen to Nightwish Broadway mini musical check out PAN or on Opera stage check out Shoemaker.
I'ma huge fan of this band and have been since 2001. Living in the Midwest of the U.S I don't have too many options to see them but I finally got my wife to go to a show this year in Chicago. She never understood my fascination with the band and Floor's singing.... That is till she saw them live. She gets it now. I say that to say this. Listen to the NW Army's suggestions in exploring this band. Their videos are great and should be seen but in your exploration of their music they are a Force live! Enjoy the journey.... Subscribed!
Hello ShawkaReacts! I adore Nightwish, and I'm always delighted to see someone discover them. Gabriel should be along shortly, but I can tell you that they record with the London Philharmonic and live choral musicians. The guitar solo - Emppu is amazing (and apparently quite the prankster). He certainly CAN shred - every member of the band (and crew!) is a master of their craft. But ... exactly. Emppu gives what is needed for the song.
Nightwish Army USA (Pa) division saying welcome to symphonic Metal with Nightwish and our Valkyrie Queen Floor Jansen . 1. They use backing tracts pre-recorded with the London Philharmonic Sympathy Orchestra . Tuomas Holopainen (Keyboards) is the composer , writer and founding member of the band 1996 - current. They have had 3 singers 1st was Tarja Turunen 1996 - 2005, 2nd Annette Olzen 2007 - 2012, Floor Jansen 2012 - current . I suggest there song "Storytime" from the same show Wacken Open Air Festival 2013 where they were the headliner on this night in front of 82K . here is the link - ruclips.net/video/pvkYwOJZONU/видео.html
Tuomas basically works with the conductor til he gets it the way he likes it, they record a live orchestra in the studio, then they take that high quality track with them on tour. He apparently does want to play with a full orchestra someday, it's just really expensive and kind of a logistical nightmare. There is just no way they can bring that many pieces every time, especially with how he writes. :)
Floor jensen can sing you anything, ballads, symphonic, gothic, guttural, whatever, she is a very complete singer, I recommend that you react to phantom of the opera, with henk poort, is amazing.
Floor have also demonstrated she can sing the phone book (or at least part of it), and people will still listen 😁
The reason for the excitement is that Nightwish stopped performing this iconic song after the departure of the first very operatic singer, Tarja Turunen. The second singer, Anette Olzon, was more pop and lacked the range and ability. This third singer, Floor Jansen, joined the band mid-tour only ten months before this and can sing anything as you will see if you continue the Nightwish journey. 15 songs and none written for her and she nails every one and and improves them. Virtually everything is written and composed by Tuomas Holopainen, the keyboardist. He records all the backing with The London Philharmonic Orchestra plus adult and children's choirs.
Excellent analysis, far more than most reactors will do. The nice thing about Nightwish is that all the musicians are world class, but put their effort into making the song better instead of showing their skills. They do just what the song needs, a wonderful change from too many bands. And they obviously love what they are doing. Possibly one of the greatest concerts ever, all the songs are epic and flawless. Very little I can add beyond what General Gabriel and the other members of the army can tell you. Just sit back, prepare for the invasion, and enjoy
You are so hooked! be prepared for and amazing rabbit hole of a legendary band. Subbed!
Yay more Nightwish please!
Every song is different and they are passionate & excellent at what they do.
You have now met Floor Jansen, our Valkerie Goddess of Metal & any other genre she decides to sing!
Look for Gabriel, our Herald/General for info and good quality links.
Symphonic & choral are tracks by players from the London symphonic orchestra, and choral by the London City choirs. It's not feasible to tour with full orchestra & choirs.
Subbed in hopes of more Nightwish & Floor Jansen (has her own YT with covers to keep in shape during lockdown, has several cameos on albums of other bands side projects, TV appearances on Dutch Beste Zangers & German Sing Meinen Song, and just released a solo project with excellent songs Fire, Storm, & Me Without You.)
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This band isn't your normal rock band. Symphonic backtracking, singers that can take your breath away. Heavy on powerful lyrics. Musicianship for days and so tight. This is a rabbit hole you never want to leave.
So many genres of music in this,I'm hearing classical, metal,rock,opera and folk and what Nightwish come up with is truly sublime.
Oh man, you are going to have SO much fun digging into this band and of course our Goddess, Floor Jansen! And BTW your impressions and instincts are spot on! Yes, theatrical to the hilt! And yes, predating wicked..... Floor is the third singer and the bands impetus and composer is Tuomas the keyboard player. He writes essentially everything including most of the the stage production..... an absolute musical genius. Their use of meter and key change, and modal modulations is unparalleled in modern music. Please watch ALL of the Wacken (pronounced Vacken) concert and then on down the rabbit hole. No song is alike and each is completely unpredictable!
Welcome to Symphonic Metal!!
"Where are all these instruments at"?
Nightwhish works with the London Philharmonic Orchestra to provide backing tracks for many of their songs...throughout this piece but particularly in that middle section..the rest is Tuomas on the synth.
Welcome to the world of Nightwish. A new chapter in your life has begun 😁 This song is great but just the tip of the iceberg. Please dig deeper and keep going. Tuomas is the modern day Mozart and a musical genius. Your mind will be blown by their catalog of music.
That smile at the first hearing of the drums! 🤟
Your big smile tells everything
I don't consider myself a Nightwish fan like the majority of the folks you'll find here. I'm really a fan of Floor's and her solo projects, which, after seeing her solo performances from her appearance on the Dutch tv show Beste' Zangers solidified my fandom of Floor and introduced me to Nightwish. So, to promote Floor I'm going to take the liberty of posting a selected playlist of live performances that I consider the most enjoyable for me from her catalog of solo projects.
2019 - Beste' Zangers
Solo cover of "Shallow" (Lady Gaga) - ruclips.net/video/M68pe4a_9zk/видео.html
Duet cover of "Phantom of the Opera" w/ Henk Poort - ruclips.net/video/plCScjvDOJM/видео.html
2021 - solo Amsterdam Concert
Storm in a Glass - ruclips.net/video/7ax5nSPB9t8/видео.html
Slow, Love, Slow - ruclips.net/video/bBG8GdyLYDk/видео.html
2022 - Recently released singles from her upcoming 2023 solo album. There are music videos of these singles but I prefer the more organic live versions. All three venues provided excellent acoustics
"Fire" - recorded at HLF8 - ruclips.net/video/rqwHMgo_DdQ/видео.html
"Storm" w/orchastra - ruclips.net/video/8dAP8Mjgh_E/видео.html
"Me Without You" - First public performance - ruclips.net/video/R6LmRR-rgss/видео.html
Bonus reel - Floor sings the phonebook - ruclips.net/video/CLUr1DLwEQg/видео.html
Really enjoyed your reaction and your insightful comments. They use prerecorded backing tracks recorded by orchestra (London Philharmonic) and professional choirs. Floor is, to my mind and many others, the best vocalist on the contemporary metal scene and she extends way beyond this into other genres (currently working on a solo record for release next year, and touring with Nightwish). I saw them in London just over a week ago and they were fantastic (as here) with amazing musicianship and Floor just extraordinary, both vocally and as a front-woman. You will get lists of further tracks which will reveal the depth of talent and amazing diversity of the band. And check out Floor Jansen’s other work. Yes, she has covered songs from Frozen and Frozen 2, so your Idina Menzel comparison was not far from the mark.
Anyway, very thorough and informed reaction to this great group.
64-year-old here and a big fan of progressive rock since the 70s. I’ve been to many concerts, seen and listened to many iconic bands, Stones, Genesis, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Deep Purple, The Who, Pink Floyd, etc. Never metal thought (sorry folks :-)), could not be digested. Yeah, I listened to some classic metal bands and their top songs, but I always go back to my old rock, classical, and jazz albums. One day, I watched a short from one vocal coach that does reactions to videos, and she was raving about that Nightwish band. She also said that this particular performance was the best live performance ever! So it intrigued me, and I watched this Ghost Love Score 2013 performance and man, oh man! I was totally blown away by the song or songs in it, the talent of the band and Floor. That was an absolutely spectacular show … not just a show, the whole song was an adventure! Like a movie adventure. I’’ve watched almost all reactions to this multiple times because I have some very favorite ones and watched the video - cannot count how many times! It is the best - period. I’m a Nightwish superfan now and looking forward to catching one of their shows soon.
It was great being at that show, you can't imagine how great it was. Floor by the way is a vocal coach and yes, she is classicly trained, but not as much as you would expect.
Nightwish played in Wembley Arena just a few days ago. It was part of their world tour which will finish just before Christmas. Welcome to a long Nightwish journey.🔥🔥
The symphonic music in the background is back tracks played by the London Philharmonic Orchestra and also various choirs.
How do you shut up 82,000 plus metal heads...play the interlude for GLS...😂😂🤘🤘🤘🤘
Loved loved LOVED your reaction mate and your insight. much love and a new sub here from good ole New Zealand... And just the smile on ya face through the whole song.. lol priceless
Welcome to the magical world of Nightwish!
Tuomas Holopainen, Nightwish's composer wizard, started his own musical career with piano lessons at the age of six. From there, at the age of 9, he moved to a music school, which he finished 12 years later (he was also an exchange student in the USA for a year, when he was unable to attend a music school). At the music school, he studied music history, theory and classical music. And, to my understanding, a bit of jazz. During school, his instruments were piano, tenor saxophone and clarinet. He hasn't used these last two instruments since he started Nightiwish...
Nightwish has used an orchestra on their studio albums since 2002 (the fourth album featured the Joensuu City Orchestra) and since the fifth album (2004) the London Philharmonic Orchestra has been their partner. Tuomas also made his solo album with them.
Part of Nightwish's musical world is exactly that grandeur that comes when there are 50+ musicians in the background, 30 people in the choir and sometimes a children's choir.
During the 2012 tour in England, Nightwish planned to combine a band (6 musicians), the London Philharmonic Orchestra (50+ musicians), a choir (30 singers) and I don't know if it was planned to also include a children's choir (it would have been needed at least in the song "Storytime", which is in their standard set). But there was no place and no time. Getting a venue was the biggest problem I understand, any venue won't do for that number of performers and there wasn't one available during the England leg of the tour.
Nightwish is a Symphonic Metal band, just like Epica, Therion, Within Temptation, Delain, Avantasia, Kamelot, After Forever and Rhapsody of Fire 🤘
It never gets old seeing someone else stumble into this rabbit hole called Nightwish and enjoying it as much as I did, when I found them. Saw them live for the first time last week and I'm still on cloud nine.
Great reaction, really loved it.
About the symphonic instruments, are both a backing track and played on the keyboard, both recorded with the London Symphonic Orchestra, that's because they are so high quality sounds. Unfortunately they never played with a full orchestra on stage now, it's something Tuomas (keyboard) said he would love to do, but it's pretty complicated to have a full orchestra on tour, who knows maybe one day.
You also asked how long they are around, the band was founded in 1996 so they celebrated their 25th anniversary last year.
I'm happy you liked it and truly hope you'll stay with them for other songs.
Here is the big ones we usually don't suggest at the beginning of your journey, but being a music teacher you can handle them with no problem:
Nightwish - The Poet and The Pendulum (live at Wembley 2015)
Nightwish - The Greatest Show on Earth (live at Tampere 2015)
or you can go with each song of this Wacken 2013 show, they are all amazing and very different, some more metal, others more easy going, no matter which song you chose, you can't go wrong.
During your journey you'll also find songs with a strong folk vibe, with folks instruments played live like the bagpipes, whistles or bozouki, as an example I can suggest
Nightwish - I want my Tears back (live at Buenos Aires 2018)
songs with middle east influences like "Nightwish - Sahara (live at Tampa)", ballades or even a pretty jazz one.
So a lot to discover, have fun.
At this concert they had some background music playing that they had previously recorded with the London Philharmonic Orchestra and Choir.
IMO Floor has the most versatile, powerful and pitch perfect voice in the universe. I've included the universe in case anyone from her home planet visits earth someday. 😉😊🤘
"Where are all these instruments at?"
London. 😆
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This whole concert is magical! No disrespect to Kai, the current drummer but, Jukka, the drummer here rules!
Love your video and the way your were smiling when you were listening ❤️ I saw them just two days ago live and I am still high from it 😅
Nightwish Shadow Unit from Estonia reporting in ! Valkyrie Goddess spotted ! Gabriel Bardac entered ! "the Note Was heard !!!
Floor her name is derived from the Roman Goddess of Spring, Flora.
Floor Jansen is called the Valkyrie Goddess of Metal and Empathy.
Floor Jansen is a soprano, with a range of more than 3 octaves (Eb2 to F5)
She can sing from classical to belting and raspy vocals like screaming and death growls. And she's also a voice coach and teacher to boot. Plus, huge vocal nerd 😉.
Floor Jansen was the singer of the Dutch metal band After Forever from 1997 to early 2009. From 1999 she studied at the Rockacademie in Tilburg with classmates Jacqueline Govaert and Danny Vera, where she graduated in 2003. She studied musical theatre and a year of opera. In addition to her activities at After Forever, she gave singing lessons. She plays guitar, piano and flute. On May 5, 2010, she presented her new band ReVamp, which was disbanded in September 2016.
From 1 October 2012 Jansen replaced Anette Olzon (Second singer of Nightwish after Tarja) as singer of Nightwish during the Imaginaerum World Tour (And she had to learn the set list in 48h). On October 9, 2013, it was announced that she would be the group's regular new front singer. In 2015, Nightwish released the album Endless Forms Most Beautiful with Jansen as lead singer. Nightwish's second studio album with Jansen as front singer, Human. :II: Nature., was released in April 2020.
And:
Our Metal Mozart Tuomas Holopainen (founder, leader, keyboardist, songwriter and the main composer for Nightwish)
Tuomas the keyboardist writes about 95% of Nightwish songs, music and lyrics. He also composes the music for the backing track they use. It is recorded in London with musicians from The London Philharmonics. Pip Williams helps with the orchestration. There are two London based choirs too on the backing track, the other one is a children's choir. And of course with a synth you can do a lot.
This was recorded at the 2013 Wacken (pronounced Vahken) Open Air festival in Germany in front of an audience of 82,000 people. The fiery bull head is the symbol of the festival.
We hope, that there is more coming.
The songs are written and composed using real orchestra and choir, then played back live through one of several keyboards Tuomas uses on stage.
Oh no , now you’ve stepped into a huge puddle of awesomeness with this band , vocally and musically !!! Thx for the reaction 🤘🏼💥🤘🏼
Great reaction. It seems people who really know music are starting to appreciate metal more. Especially symphonic metal. Cheers
Imagine seeing this live... Yes, I did last Sunday 🤘🏽 and it was amazing.
The music you hear in the back is the London philharmonic orchestra, they recorded a track which serves as a click trac for the drummer who in turn sets the pace for the rest. Tuomas is a composer, not a song writer, he knows when to withdraw instruments and let a song breathe. And while this is a very melodic song they have very different songs also, with one thing in common, they are all very distinct Nightwish. Please only do live shows, they are better live than in the studio. Other than that let the song surprise you🤘🏽
I so much enjoy your informed reaction. Others in chat will have already answered your questions about orchestra etc. Looking forward to following your Nightwish (and others) journey . Take care and best from Scotland
Im totally here for all reactions of Nightwish..it is SO enjoyable to see what I felt the first time of watching this and being totally blown away that pretty much 99% of the reactions bring. Loved your pure reaction..thank god you went back on the Floor parts that you stopped...ahhhh phew! Enjoyed your joy thanks!
Welcome to Symphonic Metal.this is with their 3rd singer Floor Jansen,a 6’1” Dutch vocal beast who’s had classical training and been with the band since 2012.They’re definitely a band that are better live,their studio stuff is good but it’s their live performances where they shine…they go from operatic though to rock,folk,Celtic and on to thrash and everything in between,hope you decide to dip your toe into some more.
If you decide to react to some more NightWish then Gabriel’s list is the best option to choose from as all his links have all great audio quality and are from the best concerts performance wise😊👍
Welcome o the Nightwish Army. Gabriel is the man for all your questions...and he did react already😎🤘🏽. Looking forward for this journey. Loved the reaction & the huge smile on your face. Greetings from Switzerland 🎵🎤
Liked and subbed. All your questions probably already answered.
Can't wait for more.
Big love from Spain
Floor stands 6 feet, 1.5 inches tall in bare feet, and she's wearing 4 to 5 inch heels here.....the audience was an intimate little gathering of 82, 000....Nightwish was founded in 1996, and their genre is "symphonic metal"....Tuomas Holopinen is the keyboardist, co-founder, leader, guru, composer, lyricist, arranger, and producer of 95% of the bands music......their catalog is over 120 songs, and they live for their live performances.....the orchestral and vocal backings are pre-recorded, and played in sync with the live music.....orchestra is the London Philharmonic, under the direction of Pip Williams......this entire show is on both DVD, and RUclips, titled "Showtime, Storytime".... Nightwish Army, South Carolina, USA
I see she's getting taller with every reaction video. The official data is 2.6m and the Goddess can't lie (or joke), so we have to respect that. That said, 183cm is "only" 6 feet in Freedom Units, which still makes her taller than most men.
By the way, we're committing blasphemy here because the mention of her height is taboo. G... Darwin be with us.
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@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 The Dutch people are the tallest race on earch
@@richardwest6358 I know, except the Dutch people is no race. But I do get your point, so it doesn't matter.
Oh no here we go again, down the rabbit hole once more 😂 glad you liked this
The Wacken Open Air is a metal festival in Germany, started in 1990 til now. The festivaltickets was sould out 4 hours after started at 00:00 o'clock after the last day 🙂
The lst offical audience was 100.000 but inoffical it must be about 120.000.
This song has become her signature song that is played at every concert. Drives the people insane with excitement. Most Symphonic Metal bands come out of Finland. Nightwish has been at the top of that genre for over a decade. They are the top-grossing band in that category. Floor was also ranked the #1 female voice in metal music. If you'd like to explore more of this genre, definitely check out more of their music of course, and also check out Epica who Floor has sung a couple duets with and it is very hard to tell who is who while they are singing together.
I love watching people discover my favorite bands for the first time. I suspect you'd like Epica who sometimes performs with a full live orchestra (depending on venue size/availability, etc).
If you'd like to hear another impressive vocal performance, check out Tommy Johansson's solo project "Phatom of the Opera" on youtube.
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well done sir, & welcome to your journey... new sub for that 🤘🤘🤘
Hi I've been a fan since 2019. Floor is awesome and the guys are Amazing. At this point Floor was with the band for 10 months. This is her 3rd band and Nightwish's 3rd singer ♥. They are a Symphonic Metal Band. She calls herself a vocal technique nerd and6 she used to be a vocal coach. Floor is one of a kind. There is a young rock band called The Warning are 3 sisters from Monterey Mexico and there ages are 22,20 and 17. One guitar 1 base guitar and Drums and they are awesome .
Great reaction to one of the best livebands out there :)
Great analysis and dissection on your first take. I really enjoyed your comments. Thank you and kudos to you. Subscribed
Great reaction. I have seen numerous reactions to this masterpiece, and if my memory is right, you were the only one to comment on the lighting and how it is used to set the mood. Good on you.
NightWish Army Wisconsin Chapter here, welcome to the Symphonic Metal world of NightWish and our Valkyrie Queen Floor Janson (pronounced Yahnsen). Welcome and enjoy the rabbit hole.😊
This is not a typical Nightwish song. Every song is different and each one an adventure.
A big welcome to the Nightwish Universe.
And just for the record - this concert was 9 years ago - Floor singing old songs not written to her incredible talent - but she certainly made the songs her own. Since then, both Floor and Nightwish have evolved, taking full advantage of Floor's capabilities - including the ones she have to develope herself!! You ain't seen nothing yet - not even 10% of her capabilities 😉
Nowadays Floor are unique - just like Tuomas and the rest of the band
And just a little warning - you are going to be addicted - just saying