Historical Documentary on Fort Bowie Arizona -- Chiricahua Apaches vs US Military
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2020
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Baaaa I have come to find out I mispronounced Bowie and I humbly apologize, this Canadian gal didn’t have anyone around to ask as the visitor center was closed because of COVID, and I was just driving by, it wasn't in my radar to actually stop here, so no research could be done on pronunciation. I was so happy they had the phonetic spelling for Chiricahua! Forgive me for slaughtering the misspoken words. If I could do this trail over again and pronounce things properly I would do it.
I spent most of the day exploring the Fort Bowie ruins. I've only read about Cochise and Geronimo in history stories, but walking where they walked was an honorable experience for me. Feeling so badly of course that the Apaches had to fight for the right to their own land. Life is rarely fair, unless you have money or power on your side, then you can be a bully. And false accusations will only lead to disaster. Some lessons we can learn from history.
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Do you like learning about history?
Yes, indeed...
yes no tour on apache Indian only Gen Custer battle of little bighorn civil war
Absolutely! Especially the old west right up through the Indian wars and turn of the century Mexican revolutionaries.
You did a good job .
@@larrytalbot664 you made my day Larry 🙏
I'm Chiricahua Apache and walked the trail about 14 years ago when my son was still in an Apache cradle. I could feel the energy of our people as we walked near the burial sites there.
I’m so honoured to “meet” you! Thank you for sharing that with me.
My Chiricahua history is documented, as my late grandmother was Evelyn Martine. She was the last US Chiricahua Apache POW born in 1912 at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. Her mother was Lillian Mangas, the granddaughter of Warm Springs Chiricahua Chief's Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. My grandmother Evelyn's grandfather on her paternal side was US Chiricahua Apache Scout Charles Martine Sr. My mother's father's grandfather was US Chiricahua Apache Scout Guydelkon. My mother is the last full blood Chiricahua Apache in the family and she is 83.
There is a book done on my family called Apache mother's and daughters by Ruth Boyer and Narcissus Gayton. Narcissus was my mother's aunt and she helped raise my great aunt Imogene and my mother.
Such cool history you have! I LOVE history. You can be very proud ☺️
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I am going to try find this book.
Thank you very much.
You have such incredible blood line.
Take care.
Ron
As a person from the UK with a lifelong interest in Apache history i found this video very absorbing , you did a great job describing the places and events of the period, well done.
Hey I’ll take a positive kind comment any day! Thank you 🙏
I admire your strong interest in history. You did a pretty accurate, factual accounting of the history in your video within half an hour, and that is commendable. Keep enjoying that history and making more videos. I know you took some beating for mispronunciation of some words, but you are not from around here, so those errors are understandable. If you think your pronunciations were difficult in Arizona up to now, try some Tohono O'dham Indian words from southeast Arizona, and see how you fare! These are ALL landmarks here. Babocamari, Tumacacori, Baboquiviri. If you go by the Spanish pronunciation of ALL vowels and know that the accent is ALWAYS on the third syllable, you'll get it right. You did a great historical video of one of my favorite historical places in Arizona. I need to get back there this winter. I need a cold hike!
Ahhhh the world needs more people like you - kind and gracious, instead of condemning, educating. I thank you for boosting this girl and for taking the time to watch. You really MUST go get this hike in!!
@@thehealinghiker I absolutely will get that hike in again. It has been too long. I hope you continue to enjoy your historical adventures.
@@jerryjones188 thank you! I will once again, so excited to get across the border yesterday!! Happy hiking yourself.
A history lesson well done. I walked that trail in 1988 when I visited Fort Bowie. A number of things have changed
since then. For example there was an old wagon half buried at the stage station I guess that was removed. The cemetery was not in good shape as it is now. It looks like they added some walls at the fort because I don't remember that many. The trail has a lot more signage. At Apache springs the sign said don't drink the water but I drank about one ounce just so I could say, I drank water at Apache Springs. I sat down at the Overlook for a few minutes and tried to imagine what life was like back then. In closing I can thank the Federal Gov. for making that possible.
Thanks for sharing this, quite the history and I’m glad they fixed it up by the time I came thru! Thanks for watching and commenting 😃
Excellent Objective Historical Commentary!
Thank You, Miss Lee Ann!
I’ll take a kind comment any day 🙏
Thanks, Lee Ann, I've always been fascinated with the S.W. and '' drawn '' to it. This added to it.
Aww thanks for your kind words 🙏
Thank you for that history tour and lesson........love that kind of exploring!
Kindred spirits! 😘
Thank you very much for the history lessons.
Very interesting.
Ron
Well I thank you for watching! 🙏
That area is one of the places I have to see one day. I read in my childhood and later on as well countless books about the Native history and in particular about the Apaches. Thanks for sharing!
Yes! I too read books on Native and white peoples as a kid and this trail made it come to life for me. I hope you can make this journey one day! Thank you for watching!
You brought back a memory of hiking the Fort Bowie trails some ten years ago. I was surprised at the small trickle of Apache Springs in February. The wickiups have deteriorated greatly since we visited. The story of Bascom is so tragic in that so many people died because of his arrogance and ego. Thanks for the review of history. In the meantime, happy trails.
Oh that’s cool you’ve been here! But sad to hear things are deteriorating. And yes happy trails for me 🙏
OUTSTANDING. Captivating;very detailed, very informative and interesting.
Yay! So glad you liked it, and thank you for your positive encouraging comments 🙏
Cochise captured the stage coming in the next day...he tied the Mexican teamsters to the wagons wheels and Geronimo set the wagons on fire....they kept the 3 white hostages until the next day when Bascomb hung is brother and nephew...he then executed the white hostages...Johnny Ward wounded Cochise in the leg as he ran up the hill out of the tent....The Apache Wars by Hutton is a great read of this encounter...that started 25 yrs of warfare and ended with Geronimos 4th surrender in Skeleton Canyon and this is a great video of the area thank you.
Oh my people were brutal 🙁. Yes history is interesting, if you can stomach it sometimes.
What a great trail...and spring water in the desert, wow. Thanks again for taking me along
to all the places I missed seeing on my AZ 2020 trip. 'Alfred' in Penticton.
Hey where all DID you go in Arizona??
@@thehealinghiker landed in Phoenix 12:20 AM 22nd Jan. took a city bus to Greyhound depot (Glendale) 23rd Jan. Bus went up to Flagstaff and then to Bullhead City. Got on the free boat shuttle to Laughlin. Left Bullhead 17 Feb. again on Greyhound to Phoenix. took a city bus to motel. and on 19th Feb. took the light rail to airport tram
and on to Vanc. via B767. (sent photos)
Ohhh nice, just saw your photos! Looks lovely. Too bad we couldn’t have timed things out better to meet there!
@@thehealinghiker maybe next time...
@Evan Hodge nah, why overkill...
A very well-presented film of a fantastic historical site.
Well I thank you for that kind remark sir 🙏
Terrible what happened to a great people who only fought to keep their land and feed their families.
That’s for sure, and now not only are there no natives in that area it’s totally desolate! Doesn’t make sense. 😔
You do a good job of sharing the history
Thank you Linda 🙏
Great video !!!
Great Post,instant fan!
Awww appreciate that 🙏
Thank you for the video. I hiked up to the Visitor Center and around the ruins in the spring of 2019. It is too bad Covid has shut down so many things. An interesting book is “The Apache Wars” by Paul Andrew Hutton. It does a fairly good job of telling both sides of the history.
Oh very good to know about that book! You were fortunate to get to go into the visitors centre, yes I can hardly wait for the day when things will open up again.
My great uncle was a cattle barron in the Phoenix area and he carried a bullet from an Apache rifle lodged in his back until his death in the Phoenix area. My great, great grandfather on my other side was a US Dragoon soldier sent out West to be stationed in Doña Anna - Gadsten Purchase area during the Mexican/American war specifically to protect settlers headed west through the Southwest's Apache Territory - which was particularly dangerous and frought with brutal attacks on white travelers.
I've always wondered if these two men ever met each other...🤔
Wow that’s quite the history you have 😍🙏. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, Bo-eee... I have been across and through the Zuni land, The Hopi land, the Apache Country and the Navajo nation. I taught at UNM,Gallup,NM and on the Navajo Nation. I truly felt appreciated. The Medicine man at that time had been a Code Talker. He and I exchanged many military experiences...
How cool! Thanks for sharing.
You really have a very interesting life and so much history in your life and family tree, need to preserve all you can.
Take care my friend.
Ron
This is an awesome video..looking forward to more videos
Why thank you Steven, you must enjoy history as I do!
@@thehealinghiker enjoy history very much...I see your channel growing fast in my opinion
@@stevensloat4756 Do you? I hope that's the case! Thanks for the cheering on!
Thank you
Very interesting
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Very interesting. Well done. I also enjoyed the music score at the end of the video. Do you recall the name of the score?
Awww thanks for your kind words. I have that info in the description write up of the video.
Thank you!
Just a wonderful documentary!!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!!
I’d like to see you visit Ft. Phantom Hill, just North of Abiline, Texas.. Pretty cool remains there.
Oh man Dave I LOVE getting leads like this. I will surely make my way there some day if this pandemic ever settles down. PS you have a cute moniker 😁
And can you please tell me where Fort bought is i cant find it i know where fort bowie
Boo-eee , not bow -eee. nice video.
Ahhh thanks. That’s what makes me sweat the most is wondering how to pronounce the words 🤨
@@thehealinghiker Enjoyed the history tour....Thank You.
Well I’m honoured you came along!
Living in Tucson you always knew who the out of towners were when they asked about Old Tucson and the hilarious way they asked about Ajo road !
Also San Simon is pronounced
Sea- moan .
On another note history is usually one sided . I grew up on the edge of the White Mountain Apache Rez and their views of what happened are entirely different and much more fascinating , just as Mexicans view of Geronimo and the Apaches are much different . Apaches hate Mexicans more than Whites interestingly enough .
I wonder if your videos could be shared with the visitor centers in Arizona
Oh my that’s a stretch, but love ya for even thinking that!
Send them a video.
Awww I’m not that brave. Plus they aren’t open now anyway 🤷🏻♀️
Found the book.
Looking forward to reading it.
The baby on the cover was my late grandmother Evelyn Martine.
Great hike and didn't even get tired.
Ha ha, great comment!
Wow, not a peep about the old Bowie hot springs, but they got run over too a few years ago
Oh man, I never knew about them 😔
Apache wars continued well past 1880s. There are sightings and reports of wild Apache in Mexico in early 1990s and two suspect wild Apache in 1970s at San Carlos reservation
Interesting 🤨
wow neat story...Mickey Free was a bad customer if you went against him. This prelude to his story was one I haven't yet read thanks a lot for the info !!! always a fan and once lived at Ft Huachuca...
Glad you got something out of it! ☺️
Looks like an interesting place to visit.
Great history lesson!
Glad you appreciated it!
That was awesome! Thank you❤️🤔
Awww thanks for that 🙏
You should be come tour guide history historian about apaches really good
Awww I think that might be a fun job!
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Really cool
Thanks!! 🙏
I'm an a White mountain Apache whom is told by significant other apaches who are related to me,saying that my ancestors from my late mother's side are chiricahuas who intertwined with the Mexicans to become a Apachican ,so I am both mean and 🤣 crazy! But I'm cool though,unless tempted! ✌️ Peace! Marty Moose!
Lovely to meet you!! Your history is rich indeed. So cool!
Nicely done! But I must comment on your pronunciation of Bowie.
The Fort was named in honor of Republic of Texas Army Colonel James Bowie,who died during the Suede of the Alamo, March 6, 1836. His name, the knife, and Texas county that bear his name are pronounced BOOwee, and not "bow" of a ship or as a greeting. David Bowie, the musician, pronounced his stage name "BOW(and arrow)-wee". The fort and town in Arizona are pronounced BOO(like a ghost)-wee. 🤠
Yes I learned the hard way that I mispronounced his name, ouch! But you have been one of the kinder comments, so I will take any instruction from you. I really appreciate the history lesson as well. I am sooooo tempted to go back and rewalk this trail just so I can make the proper pronunciations. Sigh.
You from my understanding got the Cochise story wrong.
i wonder if she has a bowie knife...........
Nope!
Friendly curiosity of the Apache’s....kidnapped by friendly apache’s....? Really ...?
I’m not sure I understand your comment.
Julio, You must look at the wider picture, the Apaches were literally fighting for their very survival against massively overwhelming odds
Well done...
Why thank you ☺️
Disappointing that you didn't point out the sites of the fighting, the capture and murder if the wagon train, etc
Thanks..
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Ft Bowie is not Apache country.but a reservation. Chiricaghua Apaches lived in the Dragoons and S.E. AZ. Raided into Mexico. At peace with the US. After the tent fight. Naiche just a child watched his uncle and Cochise brother hanged. People wonder why the Apaches were so vicious. Mickey Frees kidnapping by Pinal and subsequent adoption by Coyoteros (White Mountain) was probably the best thing that happened to him. Ft Boowie lol.
Actualliy San Carlos is the reservation. It is a terrible location for Mountain Indians. Apache pass waa not the Apache homeland but a topigraphical feature. The White Moutain Apache have a nice reservation in the White Mountains.
And when the mining brood expanded Bisbee they had a sawmill in the Chiricahua and used up forests while clearing out all Indians. Why so much open space can't be shared is beyond me but it's still greed I guess.
Actually the Dragoon mtns. were Cochise's people's area. My descendents roamed the Gila area of NM and Northern Mexico, they were the Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache.
Fort Boowee ? I think !
Very interesting.
How is it possible to walk there without stepping on some rattlesnake or some cactus?
There’s a very nice path so no worries about cactus, however I certainly kept a wary eye out for rattlers 😬
@@thehealinghiker were apaches afraid of snakes? How could they share this land with them?
They were very brave warriors, I’m sure snakes were a minor nuisance to them.
@@thehealinghiker actually, I read somewhere they never made war during night time by fear of snakes. Do you think this can be true?
Well I reckon!
Bowie is pronounced Boo-ee or buh-ee. What is a "bowie"? I have only heard of it as a name.
I really enjoyed that trip
I’m so glad!
@@thehealinghiker thank you my good lady. Hope to watch you again when you upload another. Keep up the tremendous work 💋
@@martinMD as soon as the border opens up I'll be hitting the road! Thank you for the encouragement!
@@thehealinghiker brilliant xx
You said you wonder what it was like to have the Apache up there while ‘white men’ came through. You do realize the Mexicans, especially before the Gadsden Purchase, were more brutal than the white man, yes? Geronimo went to his grave hating no man more than the Mexican Nationals.
‘Geronimo My Life… as told to S.M. Barrett’ explains a lot, including he never considered himself to be a Chiracahua or part of Cochise’s band. He was a Bedonkohe and intermixed and therefore disqualifying him for the position of chief.
(I liked the vid, so I’m not dumping, just saying books on the Apache Wars prior to 1930, especially from Apaches, tell a different story than the current narrative)
Very interesting!
I believe it's pronounced Ft boo wee (bowie )
Ya it’s a hard lesson I’ve learned 😏
BOOH-WE! NOT BOW-IE, LIKE JIM BOW-IE. THAT THE TEXAS WAY TO PRONOUNCE BOW-IE. I COULD BE WRONG
The proper pronunciation for the name is Fort BOOW EEE!
It's pronounced Boowie lioke Jim Bowie (Boowie)
Im navajo, i luv my apache relatives, i fight with them anytime...
Ha ha! 😉
What about hopi?
My wife is hopi, fight for her family anyday
Where can I go to hike a trail and learn about the Hopi? I’d love to do that someday!
@@thehealinghiker second mesa is good place, but gotta wait till this pandemic is over with, everythings shut down
BOWE,NOT BOWIE !!!
Well, from my perspective I wanted to feel anger towards the people in this story, since many are told with an entitled white bias. However, you presented the information as just fact of the history of the site without the bias I was expecting. You gave an account of the only side you could have. If only there was an account as to what Cochise was doing in the hill as he prepared his attacks with the same factual presentation, just to round out the history of that time. I’m assuming you took the hike with a partner to film you as you hiked the trail. A couple of things I was kind of hoping would be included in the video are map of the area giving an o er view of the entire area so I can have an idea of the geographic size of the area, as well as you could have had a drone to get the current physical appearance of the site and as you walked the trail. You could have captured the spring from a different viewpoint to see the direction of it origin as well as that area where Cochise hid where that arrow was pointing to. You did give some idea what it would take to take this trek to the site, bit omitted what it would take for those wish to visit the site in person. How much water, food for the hike. The best foot attire to avoid. Is there any danger of any wildlife, such as snakes? I could sense that you felt the energy from the ghost of the lives still lingering there, but was it quite, or were there sounds of nature around there? I only ask, because on the old 9 mile hike to Suppai falls there was a stretch, I was hiking alone ahead of the group I was with, that I could actually hear the pulse of my heart beat and breathe and nothing else. That’s the first time I realized how the lack of any sound could be deafening. I’m just curious to know if that would be an unexpected experience of the hike if your hiking solo? What and who were the California group that came there to assist those at that location? It’s a beautiful isolated location that’s being preserved for historical posterity, but it shows what assumptions and a lack of good communication will instigate. Are horses and trail bikes allowed there?
I never know how much information and how detailed people would like the info to be, but I'm happy to try and answer your great questions. I hiked solo, and as I recall I only saw 2 other people when I was there -- it was during the beginning of COVID so everything was shut down. I was very happy to have the whole trail and whole experience to myself. I was always fearful of snakes during my time in Arizona (!) but people kept assuring me they weren't out this time of year! I have a drone and would've LOVED to be able to fly it, but any place that has the word "national" in it does not allow flying. As there was no visitors center to get maps from due to the shut down I couldn't show you where I had been, but yes I do like to do that sometimes. It IS in the middle of nowhere, so quite a drive to get there, but I knew nothing about the place before I arrived, I had just seen it on my road map, and figured it looked like something I should see while I was still able to be in Arizona. Once I got there I realized what a special place it was and remembered stories I had read when I was a child. I was SO glad I made the effort to get there. Thankfully they had interpretive signs along the way so I knew what everything was all about. Yes I totally recommend going there. Thank you so much for watching and for your comment!
Bowie is pronounced as Booowie.
It’s my Canadian accent 😉
Unless you are David Bowie , in which case it is Boe ee.
Sounds like a white eye version
Would love to know what the native eye version would be!
I'm finding your references to historical markers most confusing because you're mispronouncing the names and we're getting lost thank you but please look up the pronunciation properly and nut with a foreign accent
I guess you have the ability to go watch someone else’s video where they pronounce booooeeeeeee properly and you won’t be so annoyed 🤷🏻♀️
Young lady you're pronouncing Bowie wrong
So I’ve been told 🤦🏻♀️
Booooo Weeeee..
I knowwwwww too late 🙃
It's to bad you don't know how to say all the names properly.
Silly that you mispronounce Bowie
Theyll skin u
With a bowie knife. 😆
Learn how to pronounce the name correctly,it's boo e,not bow e,
Learn how to pronounce Bowie.
She did God mistake everything else good RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
I like learning about history when pronunciation is correct. Do some research before you present historical incorrect info.