I’m saving this so I can send it to my 2 new possible relatives who are testing to see if their grandfather, who was adopted, might be my grandmother’s missing biological brother. You explain it WAY better than I can!
I feel so smart just now!l By time frame 4.5 min I realized that I've started this same workflow with the exception that you started with your closed relatives. Mine was already done so I just went down the webpage. I'm LOVING that 'view relationship' button! So many 'public trees' have only a few relatives listed or they're private. When I have to add an entire line, it's my research and I'm not just relying on Ancestry or another researcher's work. These are great since I'm finding matches to my DAR lines! Then I started feeling out in left field because I've tried the color coding and just don't have it down pat...yet. lol Love your quip about cyberstalking for genealogy! I've felt that way too. 😆
So glad I could help you feel smart. I'm also excited that you're finding genetic evidence for your DAR lines. Yay!!! BTW.. Our channel strives to serve beginner and intermediate level researchers (with a few advanced topics - like GEDmatch - yikes) thrown in. Now you know where you're at on the research spectrum. 😆
I have used 22 of 24 colors for grouping. It helps when you do shared matches. Now we can see which ethnicities we got from each parent. I have one 2nd Great GM that was born in 1860 Arkansas. They were attacked by Jayhawkers during the Civil War I can’t figure out who her parents were. DNA confirms the lineage but the census doesn’t match. So I use a color for her. I have multiple lines pre revolution. One all the way back to 1140 Ad.
If you don’t do the evaluations and add them to your tree you will have a harder time matching extended family. If you skip evaluating then you will have a harder time in the future. This is particularly important for clearing dead ends.
I think I understand your point. My only addition is that I have a limited about of time to work on genealogy, given the other demands on my schedule. Thus, I focus on the lines that are most important to me. But that doesn't take away the point you are making. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics my point is you can figure out relationships without names if you have a good dna base. I have 43,000 cousins that have tested with Ancestry.
Not sure if I really do anything that different from what you do except that I do go to ThruLines and go as far back as they can -- 5th great grandparents and check out ALL the trees of ALL of my matches that have trees and see if they might have info (like census info) that I DON'T have yet and check those out for myself and add them if they fit to my tree, etc. Also if I find more closer matches I might send them a letter with transcripts of documents they might find helpful such as probates, Italian vitals, etc. I do a lot of my work in spiral notebooks. Genealogy or other subjects I have been writing in spiral notebooks for years and years. I enjoy it. I have a stack of spiral notebooks about two feet high that are nothing but Italian genealogy. I find it kind of hard to sit up in bed and look at a computer. ;-) Most interesting thing about Ancestry DNA wondering who are these "Potential Ancestors" and are they really? ;-)
Yay!! Glad the workflow is similar to yours. We're in good company. As for ThruLines, the partial ThruLines are sprinkled throughout the process. Then, when I have a more targeted question, then I start utilizing the full ThruLine process like you mentioned. The video was becoming quite long so I just left that off. I hope that was okay.
Thanks Nick. My thoughts exactly. Jessika, try to figure out everyone else first. Then see if the unknown individuals share DNA with your known DNA matches and that will give you some clues.
When you're double cousins with someone, should you pick a relationship, or leave it alone? Should that go in the notes section? Edit to ask second question: When you have an extreme number of matches (~3,000 close & ~40,000 distant) what is the best way to break them into manageable parts?
I personally pack everything I can into the notes, and I put everyone in my tree if at all possible. There is a nifty tool to link to your match in the tree so you can click the little symbol and pop right over to them in the tree.
Follow Valorie's advice- use the notes for anything and everything that will benefit your research. If you're double cousins, select both. If you're then unable to designate how you are related, then send feedback that the relationship tool isn't working for such a relationship. The more feedback they get, then sooner they can work on the 'complicated' relationships.
I have a question that's too long to ask in chat. My daughter in law has tested and transferred with four companies. She has about 800 matches and of those matches a couple hundred family trees. Her mothers maiden name only appears once with a 12cm match. This makes me wonder if there is something is not right. I would think the name should pop up a few times even if they are distant. I suspect there could have been an adoption, or maybe one parent is not the real parent etc. Someone else had told me they believed there was just not enough matches to see the name appear. I have tried to contact as many matches as possible and they all say that name is not in their family. I just want to make sure I don't research off in the wrong direction blindly. Thanks
Maybe I could pose this question, anyone who has DNA tested, can you see your own family names, mother and father's side appear in the matches or family trees?
There are a variety of reasons the name might not appear. For instance, there might not be any living descendants of the maiden name who have tested. Since we're dealing with a female line, the ancestor might have mostly female survivors whose descendants are under different names. Not all researchers practice the same custom of using the maiden name rather than married surnames on their family trees. I would recommend clustering the DNA matches based on shared DNA. Then, working with the closets matches and the WATO tool to attempt to see how people could be related. Then, based on the trees of other folks, see where the trees intersect to determine their relationship to the mother. You might have to rule out multiple lines to find the one you're attempting to build.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics There are only three 3rd cousins all on different sites. I have tried to sort names and trees. I have found some names are very popular so it can become very confusing. I guess it really comes down to not enough matches.
My grandfather on my dads side was put out for adoption 1890 he knew his mother though and thought he knew his father. As it turned out it was a cover up and his real biological father had a different surname. I figured this out by looking at family trees that didn’t line up. I made a seperate tree for the suspected father. Turns out there were several brothers that could be candidates. I worked it out through the son of a half sister. My grandfather showed up in 1900 census as a servant. So because people took tests and put filled out the birth locations I was able to reconstruct his grand fathers tree. The DNA confirmed this when I filled out my tree. And a lot of unexpected family.
This is where filling out profiles are important. Birthday and location and death day locations help you by process of elimination. Most likely a illegitimacy or adoption 100 years ago would be covered up. Looking at the census can help. I found a 60 year old woman with a 1 year old child. 🚩 red flag. A daughter got Pregnant secluded and gave birth. That’s how it worked no kids out of wedlock and the father is not recorded.
I have a question, I was looking through my cousin's tree and I clicked on a relatives name and it gave my relationship to that relative but I don't know.how to read it can you tell me what it means. I'm pasting what it says (step granddaughter of granduncle of wife of 1st cousin 1x removed of wife of 1st cousin 3x removed)
I've been thinking that I should rephrase my previous question. How do you record a double relationship on different generations. Example, someone who is both a 2C1R -and- a 3C. Is there a way to pick more than one on Ancestry? Or should it just be left as I'm not sure?
Ancestry doesn't allow for double relationships to be shown using their "How am I related" feature. My suggestion is to make a note, place the ancestor in both color-coded group, and you're good to go. Not all tools can work for each family. However, I know many people have wanted Ancestry to deal with tree collapse and endogamy with all of their tools.
Many of us have thousands of matches. Focus on the matches who share more than 40cM or more with you for now. Hopefully that's less than a couple hundred. If you still have thousands, then you have the problem of large families in your ancestry. I have the opposite problem. There were so few children in each generation, only a handful of lines have hundreds of matches to them. It makes my work near impossible, genetically speaking.
I have to say.My DNA comes back with Spain+French+Greek..check again and they disappear,?.My Granddad and his Family are of European descent but doesn't show up in my testing🙄.2015 is when I sent my tests of..I have: English-Scottish-Irish-Wales+ Polynesia+ African..
Have you watched our videos about ethnicity? This playlist has all of them and after watching them, if you still have a question, put your question on those videos because you'll know which principle impacts your question. Here's the playlist ruclips.net/p/PLcVx-GSCjcdlvwsLScE4NPKwGA-XUNhhM
I’m saving this so I can send it to my 2 new possible relatives who are testing to see if their grandfather, who was adopted, might be my grandmother’s missing biological brother. You explain it WAY better than I can!
Sweet! Glad I can help.
Update?
I feel so smart just now!l By time frame 4.5 min I realized that I've started this same workflow with the exception that you started with your closed relatives. Mine was already done so I just went down the webpage. I'm LOVING that 'view relationship' button! So many 'public trees' have only a few relatives listed or they're private. When I have to add an entire line, it's my research and I'm not just relying on Ancestry or another researcher's work. These are great since I'm finding matches to my DAR lines!
Then I started feeling out in left field because I've tried the color coding and just don't have it down pat...yet. lol
Love your quip about cyberstalking for genealogy! I've felt that way too. 😆
So glad I could help you feel smart. I'm also excited that you're finding genetic evidence for your DAR lines. Yay!!!
BTW.. Our channel strives to serve beginner and intermediate level researchers (with a few advanced topics - like GEDmatch - yikes) thrown in. Now you know where you're at on the research spectrum. 😆
I have used 22 of 24 colors for grouping. It helps when you do shared matches. Now we can see which ethnicities we got from each parent. I have one 2nd Great GM that was born in 1860 Arkansas. They were attacked by Jayhawkers during the Civil War I can’t figure out who her parents were. DNA confirms the lineage but the census doesn’t match. So I use a color for her. I have multiple lines pre revolution. One all the way back to 1140 Ad.
If you don’t do the evaluations and add them to your tree you will have a harder time matching extended family. If you skip evaluating then you will have a harder time in the future. This is particularly important for clearing dead ends.
I think I understand your point. My only addition is that I have a limited about of time to work on genealogy, given the other demands on my schedule. Thus, I focus on the lines that are most important to me. But that doesn't take away the point you are making. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics my point is you can figure out relationships without names if you have a good dna base. I have 43,000 cousins that have tested with Ancestry.
Not sure if I really do anything that different from what you do except that I do go to ThruLines and go as far back as they can -- 5th great grandparents and check out ALL the trees of ALL of my matches that have trees and see if they might have info (like census info) that I DON'T have yet and check those out for myself and add them if they fit to my tree, etc. Also if I find more closer matches I might send them a letter with transcripts of documents they might find helpful such as probates, Italian vitals, etc. I do a lot of my work in spiral notebooks. Genealogy or other subjects I have been writing in spiral notebooks for years and years. I enjoy it. I have a stack of spiral notebooks about two feet high that are nothing but Italian genealogy. I find it kind of hard to sit up in bed and look at a computer. ;-) Most interesting thing about Ancestry DNA wondering who are these "Potential Ancestors" and are they really? ;-)
Yay!! Glad the workflow is similar to yours. We're in good company. As for ThruLines, the partial ThruLines are sprinkled throughout the process. Then, when I have a more targeted question, then I start utilizing the full ThruLine process like you mentioned. The video was becoming quite long so I just left that off. I hope that was okay.
I match people that I don't see anyone known in their trees and vice versa. One of them shares 60 cM with me.
Only way is to stick at it. The connection may not be easy to find, but at 60cM, there will be a connection.
Thanks Nick. My thoughts exactly.
Jessika, try to figure out everyone else first. Then see if the unknown individuals share DNA with your known DNA matches and that will give you some clues.
Great video devon! Food for thought for me
Glad to hear it!
When you're double cousins with someone, should you pick a relationship, or leave it alone? Should that go in the notes section?
Edit to ask second question: When you have an extreme number of matches (~3,000 close & ~40,000 distant) what is the best way to break them into manageable parts?
I personally pack everything I can into the notes, and I put everyone in my tree if at all possible. There is a nifty tool to link to your match in the tree so you can click the little symbol and pop right over to them in the tree.
Follow Valorie's advice- use the notes for anything and everything that will benefit your research.
If you're double cousins, select both. If you're then unable to designate how you are related, then send feedback that the relationship tool isn't working for such a relationship. The more feedback they get, then sooner they can work on the 'complicated' relationships.
My mom and dad have the same cousin so they probably share the same amount of DNA with me as a 1st cousin even though their my parents 1st cousin
That defiinitely makes your case more difficult to separate out. Sorry.
I have a question that's too long to ask in chat. My daughter in law has tested and transferred with four companies. She has about 800 matches and of those matches a couple hundred family trees. Her mothers maiden name only appears once with a 12cm match. This makes me wonder if there is something is not right. I would think the name should pop up a few times even if they are distant.
I suspect there could have been an adoption, or maybe one parent is not the real parent etc. Someone else had told me they believed there was just not enough matches to see the name appear. I have tried to contact as many matches as possible and they all say that name is not in their family. I just want to make sure I don't research off in the wrong direction blindly. Thanks
Maybe I could pose this question, anyone who has DNA tested, can you see your own family names, mother and father's side appear in the matches or family trees?
There are a variety of reasons the name might not appear. For instance, there might not be any living descendants of the maiden name who have tested. Since we're dealing with a female line, the ancestor might have mostly female survivors whose descendants are under different names. Not all researchers practice the same custom of using the maiden name rather than married surnames on their family trees.
I would recommend clustering the DNA matches based on shared DNA. Then, working with the closets matches and the WATO tool to attempt to see how people could be related. Then, based on the trees of other folks, see where the trees intersect to determine their relationship to the mother. You might have to rule out multiple lines to find the one you're attempting to build.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics There are only three 3rd cousins all on different sites. I have tried to sort names and trees. I have found some names are very popular so it can become very confusing. I guess it really comes down to not enough matches.
My grandfather on my dads side was put out for adoption 1890 he knew his mother though and thought he knew his father. As it turned out it was a cover up and his real biological father had a different surname. I figured this out by looking at family trees that didn’t line up. I made a seperate tree for the suspected father. Turns out there were several brothers that could be candidates. I worked it out through the son of a half sister. My grandfather showed up in 1900 census as a servant. So because people took tests and put filled out the birth locations I was able to reconstruct his grand fathers tree. The DNA confirmed this when I filled out my tree. And a lot of unexpected family.
This is where filling out profiles are important. Birthday and location and death day locations help you by process of elimination. Most likely a illegitimacy or adoption 100 years ago would be covered up. Looking at the census can help. I found a 60 year old woman with a 1 year old child. 🚩 red flag. A daughter got Pregnant secluded and gave birth. That’s how it worked no kids out of wedlock and the father is not recorded.
I have a question, I was looking through my cousin's tree and I clicked on a relatives name and it gave my relationship to that relative but I don't know.how to read it can you tell me what it means. I'm pasting what it says (step granddaughter of granduncle of wife of 1st cousin 1x removed of wife of 1st cousin 3x removed)
That was a great movie.
I've been thinking that I should rephrase my previous question. How do you record a double relationship on different generations. Example, someone who is both a 2C1R -and- a 3C. Is there a way to pick more than one on Ancestry? Or should it just be left as I'm not sure?
Ancestry doesn't allow for double relationships to be shown using their "How am I related" feature. My suggestion is to make a note, place the ancestor in both color-coded group, and you're good to go. Not all tools can work for each family. However, I know many people have wanted Ancestry to deal with tree collapse and endogamy with all of their tools.
Will a ancestry DNA test tell my kids if they have siblings they didn't know they had?
If the siblings they didn't know they had tested with Ancestry.
QOTD: What is your AncestryDNA Workflow? Share your steps and tips so we can all learn from one another.
mine is sort of the same as yours, but I add each person into my tree before moving along to the next match
I have over 26,000 matches. I'll never figure it out.
Many of us have thousands of matches. Focus on the matches who share more than 40cM or more with you for now. Hopefully that's less than a couple hundred. If you still have thousands, then you have the problem of large families in your ancestry. I have the opposite problem. There were so few children in each generation, only a handful of lines have hundreds of matches to them. It makes my work near impossible, genetically speaking.
I have to say.My DNA comes back with Spain+French+Greek..check again and they disappear,?.My Granddad and his Family are of European descent but doesn't show up in my testing🙄.2015 is when I sent my tests of..I have: English-Scottish-Irish-Wales+ Polynesia+ African..
So why do the DNA results change was my Question.
Have you watched our videos about ethnicity? This playlist has all of them and after watching them, if you still have a question, put your question on those videos because you'll know which principle impacts your question. Here's the playlist ruclips.net/p/PLcVx-GSCjcdlvwsLScE4NPKwGA-XUNhhM