I'm using my Ideal 9 with a Case Terra Flex 41' header right now to harvest Canola. Mike says there the best. I agree. I use nothing but Fendt. Farm Simulator 19. 😁 Houston' Texas
A friend of mine used to be a demonstrator driver for MF. He found himself in charge of the ideal combine when they first came to GB, He said then it was less than great.
I would never buy a tractor based on where the cup holders are or if it had a fridge - reliability, performance, cost and cost to operate are what I would buy on.
@thejoker32, ha! 😆 You're right, there would probably be too much chlorine in the water 🤷♂️...🤣 But on more serious note, I do apologize... Sometimes I am so freaking fluent in sarcasm that people actually think I am serious 😬 And the truth of the matter is, everyone makes awesome "state of the art" equipment these days and other than Ideal combines - which we would try again in a few years if they could prove themselves, are all amazing machines! I would consider myself fortunate to run any colour = fact! 🙂
@@thejoker3217 He is just pointing out the shortfalls in 1/2 million + dollar machinery, maybe it will help you . I know it helps me decide what not to buy used in 5 yrs. His REAL world opinion is something the "engineers" at these equipment companies should listen to. With the prices paid for these things, there should be more attention paid to the little things, instead of trying to make the thing autonomous. There needs to be an OPERATOR in the seat, NOT a WHEELHOLDER!!!!
🙂 That actually makes me quite happy to hear! I wish we could have made them work, infact we tried for 3yrs, but ended up having to move on from them... They worked great and the quality was spot in when they were purring 👌
I would say the Ideal combine is the cheapest made combine. I saw one demo combine which got totalled by insurance. When harvesting peas they accidentally feeded head sized rock through feederhouse and it stopped at the rear of the rotor.
I designed most of the grain handling of the ideal. Ideal had the foldavle auger from the beginning. This option was for Europe only at first. The unloader tubes and auger are modulars, and you can bolt on a straight joint or an hinged joint. I like your comments. I wish the combine was designed to beat deere (reliabilty high resale) and not claas (high perf, but high repair costs like a Ferrari). .
Still can’t believe AGCO didn’t sort out gearbox problem with breathers as for handle shutting the shield of concaves that just disappointing. Interesting is most manufacturers have metal covers for concaves but JD did have plastic for S combines but X9 they went with metal. I find it’s easier take plastic covers off been lighter then metal covers.
ruclips.net/video/S_eGFuncYQ8/видео.html put on english subs! :D The AGCO Power (Sisu Engine) is designed in Finland and is both quiet and powerful, also like u say starts super easy in cold weather, doesnt care at all. With the split hood from cab its also almost too quiet. Mike would park the 700 and it would rust stuck :D
Videos like this make me think if newer machines are actually better than the ones that are like 10-15 years old now considering they went up in price about 50% or more and deliver way worse fabricating quality and quite often use way to weak materials. I mean, there are like hundreds of people designing and developing a machine and I dont understand how it happens that some designs are just bad and not practical at all. Dont they have experts who know what the farmers are complaining about? for excample the cupholder on the 8.265 s tractor, why didnt they just integrate an cupholder to the armrest, it costs like 10$ to put one there. why would anyone buy a 200k machine if the cab where you spend many hours is crap. It shouldn't be that expensive to make a good cab with some nice features like well placed cupholders or a fridge that would add max. 1000$ to the price of the machine but would make the work way more enjoyable.
What a disgrace. Cheap cheap cheap and junk. That thing wouldn’t be worth a dime by time it got paid off. To much Chinese plastic and stamped parts for me.
@@mikemitchell2554 I initially figured your posting was quite late this morning then realized I was in Saskatoon instead of Lloydminster area thus one hour difference 😂⏰🕰🤣
@@mikemitchell2554 Better late than never, gave me a chance to sniggle with my neice's daughter and read a story while house was quite after dealing with 5 dogs tearing the place up playing together while family celebrated a belated Christmas. Unfortunately TOO COLD for smores in front of bonfire 🥶🥶🔥🔥🥶🥶
For me an Ideal has not much to do with Fendt or MF for me these are Laverdas from Breganze Italy, their combines have formerly been sold via Fiatagri, before the Fiat, Case New Holland merger…
@@fab8657 you must not have owned a 3750 combine or other model with clutch. That design was to use your words :"pure shit". The threasing was good but the clutch would go out every season
Mike, Your thoughts on NEXAT & that type of farming? Any future there. Seems using the same engine, computers, hydraulics, etc would make farming more cost effective but I dunno. Interested in what you think.
I work at a farm here in Wisconsin which we have a Claas 8900 with a 24 Chopping corn head and a 50’ flex bean head. Amazing machine!! I’d highly recommend mike if he could get a demo to do so.
@@crandonborth yep I believe it they can’t be beat in my opinion they do such a fantastic job and getting way more popular, he will be getting a demo sooner then later I seen them ip against the x9 1100 Deere and they smoked it
@@eddiewaltson5523 I would doubt it we run easily 6000 Bushel an hour and it’s still got more capacity we just can’t keep up so there no point. The tracks are definitely different than the Deere but they are so much nicer than duals. And it has an awesome engine I think it’s the MAN with 790 HP. What kinda funny we were looking at the motor and it’s the first European engine we had on the farm we have all case and ran some green but nothing European, It’s definitely much different.
I don't know who and why made these things so cheap and easy to bend. Where are the factory workers who ask farmers like "Hey dude.. I saw you bought some machines worth more than $1M. Do you have any idea how we can improve your comfort and performance?" It's that easy to make something better.
I have always wondered who the companies survey to get input into what features go in the next model machines. Damn few operators use the one button implement raise- downshift-engine RPM lower- turn around-lower implement-shift up- raise RPM. I would bet that less than %1 of operators use it (implement management system).
“Really poor hitch” That’s because these harvesters are built in Germany and Europe! If Europe the header trailers are lighter than the ones here in the states! Have you ever heard of hauling the header with a pickup truck? Everyone does it in the states!
@@etrain757 that tractor has had thousands of people get in and out of it in the last year and a half, its a pre production unit. It has been all across Canada. How would your tractor look if it was at at every farm show and dealer in canada?
My 91’ case 9280 with 8030 hours, which I have gone in and out of thousands of times also, doesn’t have broken trim. But that doesn’t even matter, I can work that tractor myself without having to call the dealer for every little sensor that goes bad. I don’t care what colour of tractor you have, all modern brands don’t last like they used to
@@etrain757 I absolutely guarantee that your 9280 has not experienced what that 8S has on the farm show circuit. That is exactly what the 4020 crowd said about the 7810 in 1997. Things change whether we want then to or not.
🙂 I appreciate that Timmy, but perhaps we came across too sarcastic as well... Sometimes I am so fluent in sarcasm that people actually think I am serious. Tho the Ideals do need some more improvements in my opinion, I would still give them another go if they could prove themselves. And I would also consider myself fortunate to run any colour! Fact. 🙂
Better than listening to a salesman from corporate tell you how great it is, yet he can't get the tractor to move without looking in the manual. And, I like Mike pointing out the real world problems. Mike's real world experience with these overpriced, overengineered, oversensered, overcomplicated machines is invaluable. Will be helpfull when I buy these 10yr old machines.
pretty common in western Canada to have machines that have been in the field already at a farm show. We always take second best because we are a small market. That 8S tractor has literally been all over Canada at dealers and shows because Europe and the States are sucking up all the production 8S's.
It's just so hard to fathom all the money that these manufacturing companies spend designing things. I don't know if it is their egos or they're laziness or just the bean counters stopping the engineers and designers from listening to the operators of this machines and not making common sense improvements. Just drives me nuts. My favorite saying is every engineer should be kicked in the nuts if they knew how frustrating and miserable they were making the lives for the operators of their machinery.
The engineers often want the best, but management, budget folks and marketing folks constantly limit their efforts. The first Ideals actually came out way overweight, like WAAY heavier than it was supposed to be. And it was extremely overbuilt. BUT, since it was not how marketing advertised, and since it cost too much to overbuild stuff, the weight had to be redesigned out of it, hence the lightweight "cheap" product we have today.
@@GuySpragg88 I have a friend who engineered a chisel disc for a implement manufacturer, same thing, great but too heavy had to put it on a diet. On combines engineers seem to take great pleasure in designing spike type latches and brackets right where you would turn and run your head into. Or see how many bolts and nuts in a spot that it's impossible to get a wrench on them.
The Fendt combine is the worst I’ve ever seen and my opinion is based off of your videos Mike. After seeing your farm use one and if I was a farmer I wouldn’t buy anything Fendt. Great video Mike.
a chap that bought one off Mike's old ones has had a very good season with it and seems to have sorted the chopper issues. Other owner reviews have been very glowing in terms of performance, fuel use and sample PLUS reliability. One persons experience doesn't mean everyone shares the same opinion
The 7810 is a good model but they don’t make to many good tractors like that anymore Massey / fendt have at least upgraded to newer and better technology then any John Deere
Literally a $1,000,000+ machine, at least in Aussie dollars, and watching you just bend it with your fingers is confidence inspiring :D
Just put it on the mortgage lol.
Didn't bent a million bucks....
Everyone “has x horsepower, x pto, etc etc” Mike: “How durable is the cup holder?!” 😂
Because at that the price these machines are now the little details should be perfect as well!
Your combine fire was how I discovered your channel.
Same
I feel you on the laminated glass. A way to fix that fear is to have the windows just lightly tinted which laminates them.
Mike best part of the video is the old dudes looking at you while your knocking on the glass in the Massey. LOL
😆😆🤦🏻♂️
So are you going to be ordering a big bud when they start production again? And where's the gleaners
I'm using my Ideal 9 with a Case Terra Flex 41' header right now to harvest Canola. Mike says there the best. I agree. I use nothing but Fendt. Farm Simulator 19. 😁 Houston' Texas
Nice to see Lee in your video Mike
Flashback to the great Fendt combine experiment!
That narrow waist on that tractor is for row crop work
The good old ideal combine came with so much expectation and far from ideal 😆 saying that the x9 is running not far behind it
A friend of mine used to be a demonstrator driver for MF. He found himself in charge of the ideal combine when they first came to GB, He said then it was less than great.
Looked at notification at 6.Pm (India) felt disappointed now up with a video
Good mood....
Massey , nice model👌
The new 2023 Ideal Modell has a frigde under the passenger seat and on the right side new shelves.
I found Mike with his US border shenanigans, but the combine fire was great...
Mike even protilled his cap that night :D
That was the worst! 😆
I would never buy a tractor based on where the cup holders are or if it had a fridge - reliability, performance, cost and cost to operate are what I would buy on.
I would never buy Crap from Germany or connected to the European Union! Just imagine getting parts for that sh-t in the futures!
Priorities!
looking at this guy complaining the entire video i think he needs a tractor with a spa in it, and still finds something to complain about it
@thejoker32, ha! 😆 You're right, there would probably be too much chlorine in the water 🤷♂️...🤣 But on more serious note, I do apologize... Sometimes I am so freaking fluent in sarcasm that people actually think I am serious 😬
And the truth of the matter is, everyone makes awesome "state of the art" equipment these days and other than Ideal combines - which we would try again in a few years if they could prove themselves, are all amazing machines! I would consider myself fortunate to run any colour = fact! 🙂
@@thejoker3217 He is just pointing out the shortfalls in 1/2 million + dollar machinery, maybe it will help you . I know it helps me decide what not to buy used in 5 yrs. His REAL world opinion is something the "engineers" at these equipment companies should listen to.
With the prices paid for these things, there should be more attention paid to the little things, instead of trying to make the thing autonomous. There needs to be an OPERATOR in the seat, NOT a WHEELHOLDER!!!!
JD tractors have a narrowed hood near the cab also.
Soooooo!!! Mike and Lee relive some old times and pick holes in everything!!😂🤣👋🍻👋
Haha right?! Gotta do that every now and again 😆
I think the cup holder in the tractor is more in front so it's like in front of you when you have your seat turned
I just love how mike mocks the the Ideal when the folks who bought one of his 9's have been singing its praises.
🙂 That actually makes me quite happy to hear! I wish we could have made them work, infact we tried for 3yrs, but ended up having to move on from them... They worked great and the quality was spot in when they were purring 👌
I would say the Ideal combine is the cheapest made combine. I saw one demo combine which got totalled by insurance. When harvesting peas they accidentally feeded head sized rock through feederhouse and it stopped at the rear of the rotor.
I agree. This combine looks cheap
The guys at the shows should listen to you because you spend allot of time in these types of machines
Your burning combine video was great.
Claas Lexion can't be beat.
Dad bought a new massey lots of def problems and busted the loader in half carrying two silage bales
In Germany everyone calls the „CVT“ Vario. Nobody says „oh you have a CVT case“ everyone says „oh you have a Vario case“😂👍🏻
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Handgerissen ist aber immernoch am schönsten ;) grüße aus Niedersachsen :)
But the word "CVT" means more than "Vario" maybe its why they use it.
@@ferencbaranyi1529 why does CVT mean more than Vario? I mean it means both continuously 🤔
@@schwabischeagrarfilme8667 CVT -Continuously Variable Transmission , Vario what? Its like saying C or Conti
I designed most of the grain handling of the ideal. Ideal had the foldavle auger from the beginning. This option was for Europe only at first.
The unloader tubes and auger are modulars, and you can bolt on a straight joint or an hinged joint. I like your comments. I wish the combine was designed to beat deere (reliabilty high resale) and not claas (high perf, but high repair costs like a Ferrari).
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I appreciate your feedback sir, I wished that too 🙂
Still can’t believe AGCO didn’t sort out gearbox problem with breathers as for handle shutting the shield of concaves that just disappointing. Interesting is most manufacturers have metal covers for concaves but JD did have plastic for S combines but X9 they went with metal. I find it’s easier take plastic covers off been lighter then metal covers.
the 8S you would enjoy for sure. its a really smooth tractor, especially with the DynaVT transmission (Fendt Transmission)
And it actually starts in cold weather because it has a real engine in it
@@zimmermanservice7474 that's exactly what I thought!
ruclips.net/video/S_eGFuncYQ8/видео.html put on english subs! :D The AGCO Power (Sisu Engine) is designed in Finland and is both quiet and powerful, also like u say starts super easy in cold weather, doesnt care at all.
With the split hood from cab its also almost too quiet.
Mike would park the 700 and it would rust stuck :D
and he gets 8S with a frontloader :D
Thank You
Great video Mike
"Hi Mike, this is AGCO calling, we are looking for a product developer manager and I'm informing you, that position is yours." 😅
Videos like this make me think if newer machines are actually better than the ones that are like 10-15 years old now considering they went up in price about 50% or more and deliver way worse fabricating quality and quite often use way to weak materials. I mean, there are like hundreds of people designing and developing a machine and I dont understand how it happens that some designs are just bad and not practical at all.
Dont they have experts who know what the farmers are complaining about? for excample the cupholder on the 8.265 s tractor, why didnt they just integrate an cupholder to the armrest, it costs like 10$ to put one there. why would anyone buy a 200k machine if the cab where you spend many hours is crap. It shouldn't be that expensive to make a good cab with some nice features like well placed cupholders or a fridge that would add max. 1000$ to the price of the machine but would make the work way more enjoyable.
We own and operate one, beats the 700 fendts in my opinion
Will you demo the fendt sprayer?
Mike you keep saying how bad the glare is on your camera but I still can’t see what you’re talking about. Maybe I’m blind 😂
Does Lee get extra insurance to travel with you. Just a question.
What a disgrace. Cheap cheap cheap and junk. That thing wouldn’t be worth a dime by time it got paid off. To much Chinese plastic and stamped parts for me.
It seems you and Lee are getting a little tired as the "Quick & Crisp Back & Forth Banter" has slowed down a bit 🤣😂
Right?! It's been a long day that's forsure
@@mikemitchell2554 I initially figured your posting was quite late this morning then realized I was in Saskatoon instead of Lloydminster area thus one hour difference
😂⏰🕰🤣
@@gavinperry7237 I think it still was actually... An hour later at 7 30am I noticed it still didn't post, haha 🤦🏻♂️
@@mikemitchell2554 Better late than never, gave me a chance to sniggle with my neice's daughter and read a story while house was quite after dealing with 5 dogs tearing the place up playing together while family celebrated a belated Christmas.
Unfortunately TOO COLD for smores in front of bonfire
🥶🥶🔥🔥🥶🥶
The cab floats with cab suspension so that's why the exhaust looks off.
Ahhh... That makes sense
Have you ever tried a gleaner or is it not big enough?
Have Fendt rang you and thanked you for the positive comprehensive review ? 😀😀
For me an Ideal has not much to do with Fendt or MF for me these are Laverdas from Breganze Italy, their combines have formerly been sold via Fiatagri, before the Fiat, Case New Holland merger…
Theyre quite different to the Standart laverda machines actually
There is not much left in Breganze that memories Laverda. Only Agco products rolling out of that place now.
False. Old Laverdas were much better. This thing is pure shit.
@@fab8657 you must not have owned a 3750 combine or other model with clutch. That design was to use your words :"pure shit". The threasing was good but the clutch would go out every season
Mike, Your thoughts on NEXAT & that type of farming? Any future there. Seems using the same engine, computers, hydraulics, etc would make farming more cost effective but I dunno. Interested in what you think.
#junk
Look at the price for what it can do
Lee will be bringing you a claas 8800 this fall
I work at a farm here in Wisconsin which we have a Claas 8900 with a 24 Chopping corn head and a 50’ flex bean head. Amazing machine!! I’d highly recommend mike if he could get a demo to do so.
@@crandonborth yep I believe it they can’t be beat in my opinion they do such a fantastic job and getting way more popular, he will be getting a demo sooner then later I seen them ip against the x9 1100 Deere and they smoked it
@@eddiewaltson5523 I would doubt it we run easily 6000 Bushel an hour and it’s still got more capacity we just can’t keep up so there no point. The tracks are definitely different than the Deere but they are so much nicer than duals. And it has an awesome engine I think it’s the MAN with 790 HP. What kinda funny we were looking at the motor and it’s the first European engine we had on the farm we have all case and ran some green but nothing European, It’s definitely much different.
Magnifique vidéo sur le comise agricole et les tracteur et les matériel et les moissonneuse batteuse
Mike is little but a powerhouse of strength lol
Mike doesn't do eco mode
@@diggerdave.6587 Ever… 600 Hp on an auger nope full throttle baby!!!
Lol, look at you annoying the other bi-standards by knocking on the window in that Massey, now that was classic Mike!!!!
Have been drivning a 10T in Sweden 3 years now
Never had those problem u r talking about
I don't know who and why made these things so cheap and easy to bend. Where are the factory workers who ask farmers like "Hey dude.. I saw you bought some machines worth more than $1M. Do you have any idea how we can improve your comfort and performance?" It's that easy to make something better.
I have always wondered who the companies survey to get input into what features go in the next model machines. Damn few operators use the one button implement raise- downshift-engine RPM lower- turn around-lower implement-shift up- raise RPM. I would bet that less than %1 of operators use it (implement management system).
New Massey is a lot different than ole Ernie
I didn't see link for the Combine fire?
ruclips.net/video/hgKal3oH4So/видео.html
You need to demo a Claas 8900
Agreed! But I would even be happy with a 87 or 8800 to be honest 🙂
New Ernie 😅
Nice show
Hey Mike, by any chance did you ever go to FFA?
“Really poor hitch”
That’s because these harvesters are built in Germany and Europe! If Europe the header trailers are lighter than the ones here in the states! Have you ever heard of hauling the header with a pickup truck? Everyone does it in the states!
They have 9 combines.
Not everyone
That new MF tractor looks like it has a lot of nice features. Are you thinking of trading your old 1100 MF for one?
You asking if he’s trading his old boy for a hundred thousand dollar tractor?
@@xSCHEF sure! Wouldn't his old 1100 make the down stroke on that new 8S 265?
Hopefully MF up graded there clutches. I owned one with loader and put 2 clutches in it. The first under warranty.
You can’t beat being product/manufacture biased 😂
😀
how they still allow you to come close to one on those ideals.... hahahaha
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it ....... I MISS LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
mf tractors to good for you mike
Did the 2020 fendts perform better for mike than the 2019.
Also have you see the guy that bought one your combine on RUclips?
I haven't no..🤔 But to answer your question, they didn't no 😬
What is the RUclips Name of the guy who bought the combine?
ruclips.net/video/GjdDbM8drGM/видео.html
I was in this building a few weeks after crop show fucking wasted at mok wedding
Ideal 9 bent this bent that. What is it plastic toy?
A John Deere 7810 with 6500 hrs will outlive the Massey by two lifetimes imo
clearly you haven't been around a modern massey. Top of the class in quality, second only to fendt
@@72alta the trim was broken on a brand new tractor 😂
@@etrain757 that tractor has had thousands of people get in and out of it in the last year and a half, its a pre production unit. It has been all across Canada. How would your tractor look if it was at at every farm show and dealer in canada?
My 91’ case 9280 with 8030 hours, which I have gone in and out of thousands of times also, doesn’t have broken trim. But that doesn’t even matter, I can work that tractor myself without having to call the dealer for every little sensor that goes bad. I don’t care what colour of tractor you have, all modern brands don’t last like they used to
@@etrain757 I absolutely guarantee that your 9280 has not experienced what that 8S has on the farm show circuit. That is exactly what the 4020 crowd said about the 7810 in 1997. Things change whether we want then to or not.
get some cows ~ and stay home
STUPID comment
@@kenhofer8063 try it and you'll see!
Yeah Mike that tractor too narrow its like you sitting at the back of a Bus 🚌
this guy seems to whine alot because he is one of the extremely few you tubers who is not a paid shill or shill wannabe
🙂 I appreciate that Timmy, but perhaps we came across too sarcastic as well... Sometimes I am so fluent in sarcasm that people actually think I am serious.
Tho the Ideals do need some more improvements in my opinion, I would still give them another go if they could prove themselves. And I would also consider myself fortunate to run any colour! Fact. 🙂
Damn with all the complaining you do anyone would think your name is Mike Bitchell lol
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Better than listening to a salesman from corporate tell you how great it is, yet he can't get the tractor to move without looking in the manual.
And, I like Mike pointing out the real world problems. Mike's real world experience with these overpriced, overengineered, oversensered, overcomplicated machines is invaluable. Will be helpfull when I buy these 10yr old machines.
@@mikemitchell2554 guy doesn’t know the difference between commenting and complaining
@@2010utube100 your attitude is exactly why you buy 10 year old machines.
@@kenhofer8063 you simping bro hahah
I'll take my MF 9540 over that ideal any day.
Me too. Sucks AGCO didn't have enough sense to keep them red
8000 john deere has same style hood......
That's true
Yeah, when Deere did it, it was the greatest thing ever!!
Fendte sent a dirty combine to the show???!!!??? 😢
I think this combine is a demo maschine from an Agco dealer.
pretty common in western Canada to have machines that have been in the field already at a farm show. We always take second best because we are a small market. That 8S tractor has literally been all over Canada at dealers and shows because Europe and the States are sucking up all the production 8S's.
omfg this guy is really complaining about the noise of the fucking sun shades?
It's just so hard to fathom all the money that these manufacturing companies spend designing things. I don't know if it is their egos or they're laziness or just the bean counters stopping the engineers and designers from listening to the operators of this machines and not making common sense improvements. Just drives me nuts. My favorite saying is every engineer should be kicked in the nuts if they knew how frustrating and miserable they were making the lives for the operators of their machinery.
Yeah
The engineers often want the best, but management, budget folks and marketing folks constantly limit their efforts. The first Ideals actually came out way overweight, like WAAY heavier than it was supposed to be. And it was extremely overbuilt. BUT, since it was not how marketing advertised, and since it cost too much to overbuild stuff, the weight had to be redesigned out of it, hence the lightweight "cheap" product we have today.
@@GuySpragg88 I have a friend who engineered a chisel disc for a implement manufacturer, same thing, great but too heavy had to put it on a diet. On combines engineers seem to take great pleasure in designing spike type latches and brackets right where you would turn and run your head into. Or see how many bolts and nuts in a spot that it's impossible to get a wrench on them.
The Fendt combine is the worst I’ve ever seen and my opinion is based off of your videos Mike. After seeing your farm use one and if I was a farmer I wouldn’t buy anything Fendt. Great video Mike.
a chap that bought one off Mike's old ones has had a very good season with it and seems to have sorted the chopper issues. Other owner reviews have been very glowing in terms of performance, fuel use and sample PLUS reliability. One persons experience doesn't mean everyone shares the same opinion
@@tommyzoowhat crops do they do and are they pushing the machine
Quality issues while you bang stuff around like a kid 🙄
Those sunshades are cheap as
First
We need to get you a fish!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Second like always boo...hi Mike
Thank you.
A John Deere 7810 with 6500 hrs will outlive the Massey by two lifetimes IMO
Has to, they stopped producing them 20 years ago?!
You don't have any idea what you are talking about
The 7810 is a good model but they don’t make to many good tractors like that anymore Massey / fendt have at least upgraded to newer and better technology then any John Deere