" I don't care if you buy my product, just buy something " such an awesome attitude to hear from someone in this day and age, we could do with more people who think that way, hats off to you man.
This is an attitude very common amongst medical professionals, where desire to treat patients well, and ensure good patient outcomes is paramount. Speaks to the humility of the professional who has real-life experience.
@@psychodadandjfit3974 yeah no offence to the people who like it but i think there are better options out there, and you shouldnt shrug off the importance of a quality product in a life saving situation
Opachki Ok. So for someone ignorant on the subject just trying to learn, why does the rat tourniquet suck? And what are better options that the average joe will actually carry on them?
@@it_is_finished check out deployedmedicine.com/ and they should be able to provide reasons why they do not recommend it and why they suggest the other ones...
John, it’s been a year since this video was produced. I see that the WPS Store doesn’t carry the RAT TQ and a few months ago the CoTCCC updated their TQ recommendations and the RAT was left off the list. Maybe it’s time for an updated video?
Dude that makes the RATS bought the rights to "TCCC" for a couple grand so he could slap "TCCC Approved" on his products. There's no such thing as TCCC Approved only CoTCCC recommended. It's not a matter of being updated, it's a matter of removing the intentional deception. Link for source to follow. www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/#targetText=The%20R.A.T.S.,company%20Tactical%20Combat%20Casualty%20Care.&targetText=I'd%20argue%20many%20others,to%20the%20CoTCCC%20as%20well.
@@alexjones5517 I'm pretty sure it wasnt the creators of the R.A.Ts tourniquet the have rights to TCCC, I think it's the company that made the S.T.A.T Tourniquet.
www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/#targetText=The%20R.A.T.S.,company%20Tactical%20Combat%20Casualty%20Care.&targetText=I'd%20argue%20many%20others,to%20the%20CoTCCC%20as%20well. Check it out. It's oldish, but it still happened. @@fluffyvixen223
I live in England, not allowed to carry a gun or knife to defend myself. Every day I carry a tourniquet, clotting compound, gloves, gaffer tape and a mouth guard for mouth to mouth.
Ken Morrison well definitely not a gun, but within the legal law of knifes you can carry a knife legally for what ever reason apart from being able to defend yourself, now if someone else had a knife you would be able to use what ever you had in the same league or less then to defend yourself. So if you had a baseball bat,,, because you've just been playing baseball, and was being attacked with a knife you can use it,, but if you had your knife because you have been opening boxes and then got attacked with a baseball bat you couldn't really use your knife and gave the law on your side,, as a rough guide. But yes also good for car accidents and machine accidents,, mind you I would possibly faint if I seen too much blood!!
ifell3 not allowed to carry a locking blade or fixed blade knife so I don't carry a knife at all. I'm a martial artist and I always carry a metal body pen and a small flashlight. Obviously the pen is for writing, taking notes and the flashlight is for seeing in the dark or finding things under cars etc...........
Dan E I would love to move across the pond so I could carry to defend myself and others but my life ( unfortunately ) is here.and getting over there is not that easy.
The most important reason to not use a RATS is not mentioned anywhere in the comment section. Due to how skinny it is it will almost absolutely cause permanent nerve damage. My instructor demoed one and he lost feeling in his forearm and hand for almost 2 weeks and that was just a short demo.
Well, the guest -- the creator of this RATS tourniquet actually dealt with the issue of using a very narrow tourniquet -- he spoke about how circumferential wrapping would build width, as each subsequent wrap added width above or below previous wraps . . . but, in an emergency are people with only basic training going to remember to build width as the guest described? So (except for the advantage that a bungees type tourniquet will sometimes provide) I don't see why the creator of this RATS tourniquet did not simply make the band wider. I don't get that.
The RATS is not a good tourniquet and has been tested by a couple of independent groups and has been shown to not completely occlude blood flow confirmed by doppler. Its also no CoTCCC approved at this time due to the issues presented by multiple independent studies. I prefer the CAT T as well and the agency I work at carries them in our jump/trauma kits.
*** have any of those studies been done with children, because I can tell you first hand the CATS are to big for small children. No RATS are not effective for adults, but let’s not leave out our most venerable group
@@andrewcollins207 There are other tourniquet options out there that work on kids, like the SWAT-T. I'll agree with you that the CAT doesn't work on kids, but the RATS not working on an adult doesn't make it the ideal pediatric option.
As a trained medical professional, I agree and I am glad to see this comment. Neither the RATS nor the SWAT-T are effective tourniquets and have been proven ineffective to create the necessary pressures needed to compress a femoral artery. The only ones recommended and approved by the TCCC is the CAT and the SOF-T (I specifically recommend the SOF-T Wide as they have updated it to incorporate features that people preferred on the CAT.
*** late to the party..... but i saved a persons life with a Rats TQ..... it is better than nothing better than improvised TQ and def not as good as sofT and or SamT
@@andrewcollins207 Pediatric PTs with limb circumfrence smaller than CAT have insufficent bp to warrant TQ use; direct pressure is all that is needed due to physiological differences, NOT a RATs "tq"
Thanks for the video! NOTE! A very very good friend of mine is an ER doctor here in the states! Also I am an EMT here! The teaching here is not to go as high on the arm or leg as possible like in combat. Here it is recommended to go 2-3 inches above the trauma point. The theory behind that is there is no reason to loose the entire lim when maybe just the hand is affected. Just a little something maybe for you all to do a little more research on. Not that your way is wrong and my way is rite just that there is a little bit different being in the states versus in country! Once again thanks for all your videos!!
I come from a family of 4 boys, and I was the only one to serve, but my youngest brother is a former wild firefighter, dog musher, triathlete, MMA fighter, and advanced EMT. In his experience, "he will always prefer a RATS when he is dealing with a heavy bleed on a kid, woman, or dog, the CATs are really for men." As I am now transitioning to being a scout leader of both cub scouts and boyscouts(as a father of 4) I have gone through and beefed up my emergency kits, and now this is in my go-to first aid kit(it is one of 3 types I carry).
The RATS Tourniquet might be able to stop a bleed and could potentially save a life (Maybe) BUT because it's so thin it bites into the soft tissues way too much and increases the chances of nerve damage and losing the limb. (And is MUCH more painful) I also noticed "Doc T" mentioned a few times the potential to use this on children. Children have soft tissue that are far more vulnerable than an adult! The Swat-T Tourniquet (Which is much wider, and can still be applied to a child with tiny limbs) is a much better and much safer option. And for adults the Gen 7 CAT Tourniquet from NAR and the SOF-T Tourniquet are both MUCH better, MUCH safer, and MUCH more reliable options.
I agree. But, I want to point out that the guest did describe how subsequent wraps of the RATS tourniquet could be used to create more width above and below the initial wrap. My question is, will highly agitated lightly trained members of the general or would a seriously insured person think to create that additional width with subsequent wraps. As well, just from the way-cool dude, gun-totting tone of the video, host and guest, I suspect the RATS is not geared towards the general public . . . I found that tone in the video to be off-putting, unattractive . . . and given that, as one commenter said, gun folks love learning how to "make holes" the entire "everyone should learn to save a life" theme seemed a bit disingenuous or contradictory.
Whether you carry a RATs tourniquet or a certified one like SOF T or CAT, it would be smart to carry some vented chest seals as well. The tourniquets are great in military application when body armor is protecting the chest. In a civilian situation, chest wounds are far more likely.
I really like the first few minutes of this video. I feel like the message of "When seconds count the cops are just minutes away" has been well heard by a lot of people in the gun world, but it's important to note that you can replace "cops" in that sentence with "the ambulance"
Thank you I have seen some rat tourniquet failures but it may have been improperly applied I always carry a cat but I’m actually sold on this I never thought about applying one to a kid or anything I mean this really made me realize how negligent I have been so as previously stated thank you
Yes, that was the one thing that I was sold on . . . . I think, generally, the RATS is an inferior product compared to the CAT of SOFT-T Wide tourniquets . . . but I was struck by how the RATS might be a good choice for really small adults or children. I am a newly trained in tourniquet use and I already carry a CBC Classic Baby Tourniquet, in addition to CAT tourniquets. I think the CBC Classic is better suited for use with small children/infants. So . . . that leaves me wondering why, even though the RATS might be better suited to children why I would carry it, given that it is not, in the opinion of the professional world, not a better tourniquet than a CAT or SOFT-T Wide. I also noted the benefit of the bungee style to self adjust as the patient's adrenaline increased or decreased . . . but is that reason enough to carry the RATS in place of the widely certified CATS or SOFT-T Wide tourniquets?
Thank you gentlemen for your service and your sacrifice. These videos keep me out of my head. Even my psychiatrist doesn't go in there I'm in Shelby Montana. You can't get nothing here. The pawn shop occasionally I got a kick out of it when he said hey. That is what I tell people. To get my attention. You wouldn't know to look at me once upon a time. I was a little bigger. I was Security in a brothel. I also was a bouncer in a bar were people pretty much behaved themselves I didn't work the door. I just sat there and nursed a beer. And I'll only say it once. I don't repeat myself.
It is the most comfortable edc item I have. I never leave without it. Working in manufacturing and having a six year old, I see this as critical equipment.
I had to use a tourniquet on a lady at work. Her legs were nearly cut off, when she was pinned between two cars, and had severe arterial bleeding. I wrap my tourniquet around my left ankle so I always have it. I'll pick up the RAT because it'll be a little better for my little ones and ease of carry. Great video!!!
@@artur4390 so, fucking what the point is to live, not "worry" about tissue damage. I have heard people say they had to use something like their shoe laces, at the end of the day, are you more worried about a little tissue damage or living?
I am not sure that "a pillar of survival" is the appropriate phrase. I mean, of course being medically trained enhances survival, but when survival techniques and equipment are being promoted by people who also promote guns, perhaps, the biggest killer of youth in America, guns (not mentally ill people, not disgruntled employees, not haters but guns), well when a survival technique/equipment is promoted by people who are, as one commenter but it here, are in favour of learning how to "make holes" . . . well, the promotion of survival techniques and equipment by such folks comes across as disingenuous and contradictory.
A Lynx Defense ankle medical kit, is a great way to carry an IFAK. I carry a CAT tourniquet, 1 - retractable razor knife, 2 - 50g Quik Clot bandages, 2 pair of nitrile gloves in a ziplock bag, 6 - 3" x 9" petrolatum bandages for use as chest seals, and a credit card wrapped with duct tape. I plan on replacing the retractable knife with some Raptor shears when I can work it into the budget. It's comfortable, well built, and also made in the USA.
Smart guys right here. Awesome tourniquet. I've bought quite a few things that you've recommended John and I'm glad to know you just don't recommend stuff because it's popular or cool but that you use it and stand by it.
Hold up a sec. I haven't smoked weed in about 20 years and I feel fine.....case in point I haven't felt compelled to lick any windows in at least 2 days.....:P
@@justsomenerd8925 yo nerd your're not helping to make a difference, you really need more than just lame insults to prove a point, any logical reasoning to help your argument?
@@zasdfzasdf4279 the shitty asshole christ guy you speak of, is just your imaginary friend. he can not compel anyone to do anything, magic does not work, and neither does faith, as a matter of fact , faith kills.
once again, great guest, great information. I enjoyed hearing the background from the the developer himself about the device. Thank you. side note to anyone wondering- DO NOT BUY THE KNOCKOFFS. I was curious and tempted by the cheap price so I bought one. the elastic is very very inferior and since it is the heart of the system it makes them not worth it
John I've kept RATs or CATs in all my vehicles and on my gear, but in street clothes I didn't know how too carry one. I saw your video on how you carry your RATs wrapped around your waist and Ive carried that way daily ever since. Great tip brotha, I love it!
Holy Chit! That's our tourniquet! John and Doc T touched our TQ! Just need to teach John the finger hole, kevlar, and aluminum windlass is Recon's. Great video guys. Thank you for your service and what it cost you. (Disclaimer we are NOT associated with CAT at all). God Bless.
Great video. I know that it was running long and that for RUclips attention span sake that it may not have had the engagement near the end. But, for the people who need to know, who want to know, this format is awesome. Bringing real life experience and conversation into the mix. Being "at the table" really makes it an awesome experience. I learned a lot, and it was a good way to spend 20 minutes. Thanks for your work.
So it was designed in Afghanistan yet I hear people talking about how they were designed for low profile stuff in other countries where TQ's wouldn't make it out of the airport without you being labeled as an American? Seems as though a lot of people pump out bad information on this product, but I'm glad this video has been made to clear the air. It was much needed.
www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/ check the link out. It was written in 2015 and they decided in 2016 that the TCCC trademark should be public domain, so it's not the case anymore, but it was still some real sketchy stuff the owner of the company was willing to do and the butthurt little kid attitude he had when he was questioned about it.
Physicians are actually against using tourniquets. They are more likely stick their finger in the holes and elevate the wound and using hemostats than add a tourniquet. They have the same mentality as they did in the vietnam war.
@@alphabears6342 if you think they’re against tourniquets, you should ask them how they feel about someone with minimal medical training trying to clamp an artery from the inside. Also, in combat, you can’t just be sitting there with your hands in someone else’s GSW, shrapnel wound, or amputation, you have to cut off the blood flow quickly and get back in the fight. That’s where the saying “there’s no first aid in a gunfight” comes from. Tourniquets save lives, period.
@@snowshark156 they were against it for a long time as they have been trained under normal conditions. In some hospitals, it's even a practice to use tourniquets as a last result. I am not sure whether it's still the same today but few years ago, that would have been the case.
Thanks for making it 6 inches longer. I carry it around my waist and it was just a little to small for most of my students. The extra 6 inches will help big time. Now everyone can edc it
One of the first training classes i took was a TCCC-type class for civilians, taught by a retired SF medic, BEFORE i took anymore gun training. If you wanna learn to make holes, you should also know how to fix them. Doesn't hurt to learn from guys who have done it to know what works in real life. Excellent video as always, WP. Cheers.
But why do you want to learn to "make holes". And, if you are going to talk about learning to kill people, please have the courage of your convictions and do not use a euphemism to refer to shooting someone. Gosh, "making holes" indeed.
Go with a CAT they’re tried and true, I have used a RAT and used a CAT and can say from experience the CAT works much better. The RAT worked but not nearly as well.
I saw Travis just week before last at the ‘19 Indy NRA Show, recognizable from the micro trauma kit review. So on the last day I thought it best to attend a seminar “Medical Mindset”. Sure enough... there’s Travis who’s doing the seminar. It was an excellent well done seminar. He’s inspired me to carry an EDC trauma kit as well as attend his training. I’m glad to see u have him in your channel!
It's very true, I've said to my wife "John said this is the one to buy" more than a few times. Thanks a ton. Maybe link the video on how to wear it as well that was way back and many of the new subs probably haven't seen.
Corey Adcock CATS are simple to carry you just put it in your back pocket like a spare magazine. I get so tired of hearing everyone whine about how hard it is to carry a CATS, it's not. As for the RATS it's not even TCCC certified they put it on there, but they're lying because it's not. If you go down range in the military you cannot use a RATS tourniquet you can't but not authorized and there's a reason because they have to reapply to a certain way and they had to be applied perfectly in order to work and even then they don't always work. So something is better than nothing but you're basing your whole point on carrying something just because it's more comfortable. Can the RATS work, yes if perfectly applied in a perfect situation. If you just hastily put it on under duress or even have to put it on yourself 9 out of 10 it's not going to work effectively as advertised. Now the CATS will work 100% of the time regardless if you're applying it or if you're applying it to someone else it's basically idiot-proof. Everybody keeps using their new excuse or I should say Celtic children and elderly okay let's look at small children were talking 5 years of age and under and we're dealing with the elderly let's look at the statistics Nationwide how many of those people have been shot or in a serious accident where a tourniquet was required so much so that it made national headline news or even local news. It doesn't happen here in the United States once in a blue moon if you're wearing a belt there's your tourniquet for your kid cuz it doesn't take a lot of pressure to stop the bleeding on a elderly person or a kid not only that you got a shoelace. I've trained with the rats it's a pain in the butt to get that thing on properly so that it stops blood flow.
I personally have used both the CAT and RATs as a medic... I think both are great and work very well. The RATs is newer and not used much by those on the healthcare industry. The CAT has been battle tested with our military in the field and saves lives. I would say what every you choose to carry make sure you practice using regularly and you should be fine.
@@nicholasdesnoyer8505 you're either a liar or a complete idiot. RATS is a pile of shit, and any person who is trained with this type of gear would know that.
@@joelbenoitthewanderingbiso4976 literally the entire medical community has proven the rats tourniquet is fucking garbage, plus the creator made a business that sounds like an official medical body so he could trick people into thinking it was approved by them.
When you first recommended these I was hesitant because I have never seen them before. After much research and you endorsing them again I just bought a few to keep on me and put in different bags
I introduced the rats to a group at The National Ski Patrol at our yearly refresher and they were blown away. I'm hoping to have these implemented and approved nation wide by 2020. These things rock
Something you need to know is civilian medics see more trauma than any combat medic. If your arm is ripped off in a motorcycle accident other than the other associated blast injuries it doesn't matter if it was an IED, The way I see it is, I place the TQ, I roll the pt to a LSB. I pick the patient up to put them on the stretcher, I move the stretcher into the ambulance, we go to the LZ, we take the patient out, we lift the patient to medevac's sled and slide them into the aircraft. That's a whole helluva lot of chances for gear to get snagged, pulled out, ripped off etc and you can bet your ass it happens. I make wagers with my partner if our IV's will make it into the bird, about half the time they get yanked out.. I wouldn't tie my shoe with a Rat TQ.
Tourniquets do not have to be placed as high as possible. You should place the tourniquet high and tight in care under fire. Otherwise, you should place it 2-3 inches above the wound. You can place a tourniquet over a two bone compartment.
This guy honestly seems like he isn't too caught up on modern techniques. I am pretty sure the rule now is that applying a TQ on the lower extremities will not break bones and will still occlude blood flow.
Oh I see you served in combat and know the most effective ways to stop people from dying, this is years of research and death, and now in fact anyone who thinks tourniquet is old science is living from a old generation.
@@Dr.MantisTobogganMD What are you talking about and who are you talking to? If you're talking to me I think you misread my comment. The guys at RATS are misleading their customers as stated here- www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/ The RATS is not approved by TCCC. Also I have been through several TCCC courses and if I remember right now days they teach in non-combat applications you can to apply a TQ on lower extremities too, the double bone problem is a myth. In care under fire go high and tight always though.
Amazing video. My daughter carries her own wipes, hand sanitizer, water bottle and other whatnots a 5 may need. I have never considered giving her a first aid kit even if she can’t use it herself. Also, I have received a lot of first aid training in the Navy but never heard of compensative shocks. I really appreciate your videos.
John could you revisit the tourniquet discussion? Know all of these vids are a snapshot in time. Wit the CoTCCC releasing their 2019 recommendations do you still rock these?
I do carry this everyday in an ankle kit. With a decompression needle, gloves, sheers, Israel bandage, gloves, quick clot, and gauze. All on my ankle, it's a small kit. But would be effective too stop the bleed.
I carry one everyday, it is not the best, not even close, the best is a SOF-T-W, what this tourniquet does offer is time, time to think a situation out, time to get to a real tourniquet, time to get off the X, it carries well, is quick, and best part is it flat works on kids and animals. Tourniquets don't stop bleeding, they slow it down, some better then others.
I'm a 11B veteran and my wife is a RN, and we carry medical gear everywhere we go. We have had to re-fill our medical gear multiple times, because we have ran into so many situations that people needed emergency medical help, such as car/motorcycle crashes, gun shot wounds, fall accidents, and many more. I still carry a gun everywhere and train, but I havent needed to use it as much as my medical gear/skills.
Oh how interesting. I recently bought a first aid kit and was disappointed to find the included tourniquet was not similar to the black one-handed tourniquet and was instead a wrap-and-tuck one. I thought the one-handed one would be better as it's easier to self-apply if you don't have full use of both hands, but it never occurred to me that it had some serious disadvantages in regards to how tight it can get or how it can be applied. So I guess I should keep the wrap-and-tuck in my kit after all. Thank you for the information.
I'm a ten year medic with experience in the private sector as well as local government fire service. The military isn't the only one that operates on a tight budget for tools. This would have given so many of the patients I've ran on an extra chance just due to size availability. God bless you DOC T.
I had to give you a thumbs down just for the 'god bless you Doc-t" comment. On the other hand, I can certainly agree with what the creator of the tourniquet said, even if you don't buy the RATS tourniquet "just buy something" . . . he was of course trying to create the sense that he is only interested in saving lives . . . who am I to doubt that . . . but, in any case, I am taking Kennth Carnie's comment and turning it around a bit to say, yes, if you have only a limited budget or space at least buy a RATS tourniquet, but if you have the budget and the space please buy a legitimately tested (third party testing) tourniquet like the CAT or SOFT -T Wide.
Also, I'd like Doc to address the issue of compartmentalization and if there's a technique to the application of this TQ to avoid creating that condition.
Practiced using both of those bunch of times in an executive protection course. RAT in my opinion is easier ti use and they both work very well had it put on me for practice 1 on each leg, hurt like hell and was numb in seconds both get thr job done.
Former Army Medic here. I'm sticking with CAT tourniquets. If for some reason someone has to use my gear I don't want them to have to Google a RUclips video for a HowTo to have to apply it. Have a nice day.
John thanks for the video and putting it out there that the rats isn't a pos. I have quite a few of them, and carry one on me every day. Keep doing what your doing man.
I've been running one in my kit in Bahrain for 2 years now and I love it....maybe on the gen 3 we could have a tag or something on it to write the time on ( aside from writing it in blood on said injured person's head) thoughts?
These cause a ton of soft tissue damage, they come lose, the guy created his own TCCC compaby to be able to say that his torniquete is approved by it..... nah man, i'd stay away from those. Also, longer application time = worse odds
@@joelbenoitthewanderingbiso4976 literally is easy as looking it up : www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/ The TCCC orv"comitee for Tactical Combat Casualty Care" is the organization that is unbiased and makes guidelines based on evidence. The USTCCC is an organizarion created by the inventor to approve his own torniquete and be able to say that the RATs is "TCCC approved"
Either way, I dont think WPS or Doc T would put their name out there if it was NOT an effective and useful tool. TCCC compliant or not - if it works and does what its designed to do....AND saves a life....that is all that matters and good enough for me. If all i had was one of these in the right moment, its not going to really matter except that you just saved a life. You cant get a better test platform other than on the real battlefield.
@@wildrootsfarm1975 in independent trials it has proven to not fully occlude blood flow (the only job a tq needs to do flawlessly) and causes more harm to the person. So while they keep bleeding out with the RATS they endure more pain.
@@wildrootsfarm1975 as a medic, if the tq does not easily occlude blood flow in the worst of conditions, i'm out. I dont care for attitude, history, etc. I cate if its the best tool in my toolbox. SOF T Wide, CATs those are the tqs you can most rely on. Now, if you're given a rats and have nothing better, sure, carry it, but know you are carrying something only better than an shirt sleeve improvised tq.
Fantastic video as usual - kudos to you both. I've just put in an order for two of them, one for my hunting pack and one for the commuter car. Already carry the CATS, but this one looks like it will work for a much wider range of application for sure. Thanks again.
Yes, I think the RATS may lend itself to a wider range of applications . . . but my suspicion is that it is no where near the best at any one of those application. I think the CAT and SOFT-T Wide are better suited for adults and many children . . . and I think there are better tounriquets, such as the CBC Classic Baby tourniquet for use with small children/infants. But, the more options the merrier yes . . . unless it all gets confusing.
I carry a SOF-T on my duty belt; a CAT on my vest and in my blowout kit, and a selection of tourniquets, including the RATS, in my mass shooter bag. I don’t hear the TK4 mentioned anymore, but I’ve used it effectively. It’s small and easy to carry, not to mention, cost effective.
Tk4 are used by militaries in other countries and are effective, i have heard that they failed testing cuz one popped off in a forward hospital and popped the doctor in eye with metal part.
I remain skeptical about the RATS but I definitely respect its creator and appreciate your coverage of the topic. Hopefully we'll have some solid data soon so we can have a better-informed debate.
I just emailed about this after rewatching your EDC video and saw "no longer recommend" great video with great info. I struggle to carry my CAT everyday looks like a RATS purchase is needed.
what is the closest to the wound should you put the rats, why so high on the arm? how long can the rats stay on without other damage? just got my RATS!
I plan on becoming a rural physician and already have medicore training I'm only a certified medical assistant and a Phlebotomist. I own a level 4 ceramic plates and regularly keep it in my truck just incase which I bought when I worked executive protection and PSD during my 20's now in my mid 30's medical is fun! I actually perfer packing a wound and I own one cat tourniquet. I can carry more roll gauge then have a bunch of cat tourniquets for an active shooter situation. I wouldn't mind owning a few of these
If it’s that thin wouldn’t it cause more severe tissue damage? I just finished EMT training and we talked about/ trained with tourniquets and I bought a kit with a CAT in it. I looked at these and I’ve heard around community that they are to thin and aren’t very effective for femoral bleeding. I get the smaller person/dog argument but at that point just use the CAT/similar tourniquet should be just as effective. You can regulate how hard you wrench the windless down on a extremity. Just have to not have a radial or Pedal pulse anymore. As for the time bit again I don’t have the experience under stress but CATS are fairly straight forward as long as you package it right and keep it accessible. Clotting agents like Celox are also an option with a pressure bandage and wound packing gauze for a stop the bleed circumstance.
Yeah the rats is not only ineffective, but much more damaging than other options. From my understanding, a sof t wide would work on smaller arms while actually doing its job.
" I don't care if you buy my product, just buy something " such an awesome attitude to hear from someone in this day and age, we could do with more people who think that way, hats off to you man.
This is an attitude very common amongst medical professionals, where desire to treat patients well, and ensure good patient outcomes is paramount. Speaks to the humility of the professional who has real-life experience.
Which is great because RATs sucks. Big time.
@@psychodadandjfit3974 yeah no offence to the people who like it but i think there are better options out there, and you shouldnt shrug off the importance of a quality product in a life saving situation
Opachki
Ok. So for someone ignorant on the subject just trying to learn, why does the rat tourniquet suck? And what are better options that the average joe will actually carry on them?
@@it_is_finished check out deployedmedicine.com/ and they should be able to provide reasons why they do not recommend it and why they suggest the other ones...
John, it’s been a year since this video was produced. I see that the WPS Store doesn’t carry the RAT TQ and a few months ago the CoTCCC updated their TQ recommendations and the RAT was left off the list.
Maybe it’s time for an updated video?
Dude that makes the RATS bought the rights to "TCCC" for a couple grand so he could slap "TCCC Approved" on his products. There's no such thing as TCCC Approved only CoTCCC recommended. It's not a matter of being updated, it's a matter of removing the intentional deception. Link for source to follow.
www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/#targetText=The%20R.A.T.S.,company%20Tactical%20Combat%20Casualty%20Care.&targetText=I'd%20argue%20many%20others,to%20the%20CoTCCC%20as%20well.
@@alexjones5517 I'm pretty sure it wasnt the creators of the R.A.Ts tourniquet the have rights to TCCC, I think it's the company that made the S.T.A.T Tourniquet.
www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/#targetText=The%20R.A.T.S.,company%20Tactical%20Combat%20Casualty%20Care.&targetText=I'd%20argue%20many%20others,to%20the%20CoTCCC%20as%20well.
Check it out. It's oldish, but it still happened.
@@fluffyvixen223
John, what IS the latest on recommended tourniquets? What are you packing in you ankle med kit in 2020?
JQ Machgunner invest in a CAT or Swat T TQ and train on it.
I live in England, not allowed to carry a gun or knife to defend myself. Every day I carry a tourniquet, clotting compound, gloves, gaffer tape and a mouth guard for mouth to mouth.
Ken Morrison move to the land of freedom and add a gun to that edc.
Ken Morrison well definitely not a gun, but within the legal law of knifes you can carry a knife legally for what ever reason apart from being able to defend yourself, now if someone else had a knife you would be able to use what ever you had in the same league or less then to defend yourself. So if you had a baseball bat,,, because you've just been playing baseball, and was being attacked with a knife you can use it,, but if you had your knife because you have been opening boxes and then got attacked with a baseball bat you couldn't really use your knife and gave the law on your side,, as a rough guide. But yes also good for car accidents and machine accidents,, mind you I would possibly faint if I seen too much blood!!
ifell3 not allowed to carry a locking blade or fixed blade knife so I don't carry a knife at all. I'm a martial artist and I always carry a metal body pen and a small flashlight. Obviously the pen is for writing, taking notes and the flashlight is for seeing in the dark or finding things under cars etc...........
Dan E I would love to move across the pond so I could carry to defend myself and others but my life ( unfortunately ) is here.and getting over there is not that easy.
@@kenmorrison1725 non-locking blades are quite dangerous to the user IMO.
The most important reason to not use a RATS is not mentioned anywhere in the comment section. Due to how skinny it is it will almost absolutely cause permanent nerve damage. My instructor demoed one and he lost feeling in his forearm and hand for almost 2 weeks and that was just a short demo.
Well, the guest -- the creator of this RATS tourniquet actually dealt with the issue of using a very narrow tourniquet -- he spoke about how circumferential wrapping would build width, as each subsequent wrap added width above or below previous wraps . . . but, in an emergency are people with only basic training going to remember to build width as the guest described? So (except for the advantage that a bungees type tourniquet will sometimes provide) I don't see why the creator of this RATS tourniquet did not simply make the band wider. I don't get that.
It’s garbage.
Before starting my chainsaw I always go ahead and apply four tourniquets, I've run into some troubles in the past.
If you've had past troubles then you probably only likely need 3 tourniquets 🤔
Chris holy shit
The RATS is not a good tourniquet and has been tested by a couple of independent groups and has been shown to not completely occlude blood flow confirmed by doppler. Its also no CoTCCC approved at this time due to the issues presented by multiple independent studies. I prefer the CAT T as well and the agency I work at carries them in our jump/trauma kits.
*** have any of those studies been done with children, because I can tell you first hand the CATS are to big for small children. No RATS are not effective for adults, but let’s not leave out our most venerable group
@@andrewcollins207 There are other tourniquet options out there that work on kids, like the SWAT-T. I'll agree with you that the CAT doesn't work on kids, but the RATS not working on an adult doesn't make it the ideal pediatric option.
ya i only carry cat i wont touch this
As a trained medical professional, I agree and I am glad to see this comment. Neither the RATS nor the SWAT-T are effective tourniquets and have been proven ineffective to create the necessary pressures needed to compress a femoral artery. The only ones recommended and approved by the TCCC is the CAT and the SOF-T (I specifically recommend the SOF-T Wide as they have updated it to incorporate features that people preferred on the CAT.
*** late to the party..... but i saved a persons life with a Rats TQ..... it is better than nothing better than improvised TQ and def not as good as sofT and or SamT
10:30 This little girl could've died because of one of my mistakes -Doc T
Cool - John Lovell
As much as the product is trash (as proven by its inability to actually occlude the femoral artery), I love this guy's attitude.
Doc literally says the CAT works great on you and me size. For kids not so much. So we came up with this for use on kids
@@andrewcollins207 Pediatric PTs with limb circumfrence smaller than CAT have insufficent bp to warrant TQ use; direct pressure is all that is needed due to physiological differences, NOT a RATs "tq"
Andrew Collins no TQ’s work on kids. And if it doesn’t then use a pressure bandage or a swat-t
ya i only carry cat
I would carry both a CAT and a RATS. I still think that the CAT is better, but now I think that the RATS is a great solution for kids and animals.
Ready man guy like a tree truck
“Like me”
Totally went over his head 😂
Not a Real Tourniquet. Evidence doesn't support using this over others that are CoTCCC Recommended.
Thanks for the video! NOTE! A very very good friend of mine is an ER doctor here in the states! Also I am an EMT here! The teaching here is not to go as high on the arm or leg as possible like in combat. Here it is recommended to go 2-3 inches above the trauma point. The theory behind that is there is no reason to loose the entire lim when maybe just the hand is affected. Just a little something maybe for you all to do a little more research on. Not that your way is wrong and my way is rite just that there is a little bit different being in the states versus in country! Once again thanks for all your videos!!
Jason Mortimer tq use will not cause a loss of limb. It’s just to allow blood flow to the unaffected areas.
I come from a family of 4 boys, and I was the only one to serve, but my youngest brother is a former wild firefighter, dog musher, triathlete, MMA fighter, and advanced EMT. In his experience, "he will always prefer a RATS when he is dealing with a heavy bleed on a kid, woman, or dog, the CATs are really for men." As I am now transitioning to being a scout leader of both cub scouts and boyscouts(as a father of 4) I have gone through and beefed up my emergency kits, and now this is in my go-to first aid kit(it is one of 3 types I carry).
The RATS Tourniquet might be able to stop a bleed and could potentially save a life (Maybe)
BUT because it's so thin it bites into the soft tissues way too much and increases the chances of nerve damage and losing the limb. (And is MUCH more painful)
I also noticed "Doc T" mentioned a few times the potential to use this on children. Children have soft tissue that are far more vulnerable than an adult!
The Swat-T Tourniquet (Which is much wider, and can still be applied to a child with tiny limbs) is a much better and much safer option.
And for adults the Gen 7 CAT Tourniquet from NAR and the SOF-T Tourniquet are both MUCH better, MUCH safer, and MUCH more reliable options.
If you listened to the video properly, you would've heard that he addressed the width issue at 17:30.
I agree. But, I want to point out that the guest did describe how subsequent wraps of the RATS tourniquet could be used to create more width above and below the initial wrap. My question is, will highly agitated lightly trained members of the general or would a seriously insured person think to create that additional width with subsequent wraps. As well, just from the way-cool dude, gun-totting tone of the video, host and guest, I suspect the RATS is not geared towards the general public . . . I found that tone in the video to be off-putting, unattractive . . . and given that, as one commenter said, gun folks love learning how to "make holes" the entire "everyone should learn to save a life" theme seemed a bit disingenuous or contradictory.
Just used this video to share with my kids while teaching Home Defense in our homeschool unit!!! Thank you
Whether you carry a RATs tourniquet or a certified one like SOF T or CAT, it would be smart to carry some vented chest seals as well. The tourniquets are great in military application when body armor is protecting the chest. In a civilian situation, chest wounds are far more likely.
I really like the first few minutes of this video. I feel like the message of "When seconds count the cops are just minutes away" has been well heard by a lot of people in the gun world, but it's important to note that you can replace "cops" in that sentence with "the ambulance"
Thank you I have seen some rat tourniquet failures but it may have been improperly applied I always carry a cat but I’m actually sold on this I never thought about applying one to a kid or anything I mean this really made me realize how negligent I have been so as previously stated thank you
Yes, that was the one thing that I was sold on . . . . I think, generally, the RATS is an inferior product compared to the CAT of SOFT-T Wide tourniquets . . . but I was struck by how the RATS might be a good choice for really small adults or children. I am a newly trained in tourniquet use and I already carry a CBC Classic Baby Tourniquet, in addition to CAT tourniquets. I think the CBC Classic is better suited for use with small children/infants. So . . . that leaves me wondering why, even though the RATS might be better suited to children why I would carry it, given that it is not, in the opinion of the professional world, not a better tourniquet than a CAT or SOFT-T Wide. I also noted the benefit of the bungee style to self adjust as the patient's adrenaline increased or decreased . . . but is that reason enough to carry the RATS in place of the widely certified CATS or SOFT-T Wide tourniquets?
Thank you gentlemen for your service and your sacrifice. These videos keep me out of my head. Even my psychiatrist doesn't go in there I'm in Shelby Montana. You can't get nothing here. The pawn shop occasionally I got a kick out of it when he said hey. That is what I tell people. To get my attention. You wouldn't know to look at me once upon a time. I was a little bigger. I was Security in a brothel. I also was a bouncer in a bar were people pretty much behaved themselves I didn't work the door. I just sat there and nursed a beer. And I'll only say it once. I don't repeat myself.
"He's like me.." Oh cmon now you're putting on a show man.
Great vid and great respect for Doc T.
You guys rock!
It is the most comfortable edc item I have. I never leave without it. Working in manufacturing and having a six year old, I see this as critical equipment.
I had to use a tourniquet on a lady at work. Her legs were nearly cut off, when she was pinned between two cars, and had severe arterial bleeding. I wrap my tourniquet around my left ankle so I always have it. I'll pick up the RAT because it'll be a little better for my little ones and ease of carry. Great video!!!
@Tacticool Memes not with young kids very well. You can use them, but they're usually harder to use. For anything else, definitely CAT or SOFT
@@nikanor8152 the swatt is good for children
@@artur4390 yup, so is usually RATS
@@nikanor8152 But the RATS causes much more tissue damage
@@artur4390 so, fucking what the point is to live, not "worry" about tissue damage.
I have heard people say they had to use something like their shoe laces, at the end of the day, are you more worried about a little tissue damage or living?
Glad you found Readyman and Doc T. Basic Emergency Medical care needs to be discussed and trained more often. It's a pillar of Survival.
I am not sure that "a pillar of survival" is the appropriate phrase. I mean, of course being medically trained enhances survival, but when survival techniques and equipment are being promoted by people who also promote guns, perhaps, the biggest killer of youth in America, guns (not mentally ill people, not disgruntled employees, not haters but guns), well when a survival technique/equipment is promoted by people who are, as one commenter but it here, are in favour of learning how to "make holes" . . . well, the promotion of survival techniques and equipment by such folks comes across as disingenuous and contradictory.
A Lynx Defense ankle medical kit, is a great way to carry an IFAK. I carry a CAT tourniquet, 1 - retractable razor knife, 2 - 50g Quik Clot bandages, 2 pair of nitrile gloves in a ziplock bag, 6 - 3" x 9" petrolatum bandages for use as chest seals, and a credit card wrapped with duct tape. I plan on replacing the retractable knife with some Raptor shears when I can work it into the budget. It's comfortable, well built, and also made in the USA.
Check out OneShear instead!
Smart guys right here. Awesome tourniquet. I've bought quite a few things that you've recommended John and I'm glad to know you just don't recommend stuff because it's popular or cool but that you use it and stand by it.
Hold up a sec. I haven't smoked weed in about 20 years and I feel fine.....case in point I haven't felt compelled to lick any windows in at least 2 days.....:P
I smoke and I'm not.... nevermind.....
Garbage product made by a piece of shit person, who has to make his own companies to trick people into thinking his product is TCCC approved.
@@justsomenerd8925 yo nerd your're not helping to make a difference, you really need more than just lame insults to prove a point, any logical reasoning to help your argument?
@@zasdfzasdf4279 the shitty asshole christ guy you speak of, is just your imaginary friend. he can not compel anyone to do anything, magic does not work, and neither does faith, as a matter of fact , faith kills.
once again, great guest, great information. I enjoyed hearing the background from the the developer himself about the device. Thank you.
side note to anyone wondering- DO NOT BUY THE KNOCKOFFS. I was curious and tempted by the cheap price so I bought one. the elastic is very very inferior and since it is the heart of the system it makes them not worth it
John I've kept RATs or CATs in all my vehicles and on my gear, but in street clothes I didn't know how too carry one. I saw your video on how you carry your RATs wrapped around your waist and Ive carried that way daily ever since. Great tip brotha, I love it!
Just got a pair in the mail and watching this to make sure I use it properly. Thank YOU!
I love how the RATs is small and compact, so it takes up minimal space in my trash can.
"Yea he's like me..."
Said it twice. Went right over his head.
Holy Chit! That's our tourniquet! John and Doc T touched our TQ! Just need to teach John the finger hole, kevlar, and aluminum windlass is Recon's. Great video guys. Thank you for your service and what it cost you. (Disclaimer we are NOT associated with CAT at all). God Bless.
Great video. I know that it was running long and that for RUclips attention span sake that it may not have had the engagement near the end. But, for the people who need to know, who want to know, this format is awesome. Bringing real life experience and conversation into the mix. Being "at the table" really makes it an awesome experience. I learned a lot, and it was a good way to spend 20 minutes. Thanks for your work.
So it was designed in Afghanistan yet I hear people talking about how they were designed for low profile stuff in other countries where TQ's wouldn't make it out of the airport without you being labeled as an American? Seems as though a lot of people pump out bad information on this product, but I'm glad this video has been made to clear the air. It was much needed.
smoke cannabis Fuck you Junkie.
@@Latinos4Trump you dead yet, or just drunk when typing that.
Soooo its not CoTCCC? and why aren't we talking about how rats bout that "US TCCC" company to say they are "approved" by TCCC...
www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/ check the link out. It was written in 2015 and they decided in 2016 that the TCCC trademark should be public domain, so it's not the case anymore, but it was still some real sketchy stuff the owner of the company was willing to do and the butthurt little kid attitude he had when he was questioned about it.
That was bought by that company to approve it so they could say it was tccc approve kinda a scam to make you think that
Medic not actually a physician...he’s a “Doc”. That said his tourniquet is an improvement over the rubber tubing that it evolved from.
Physicians are actually against using tourniquets. They are more likely stick their finger in the holes and elevate the wound and using hemostats than add a tourniquet. They have the same mentality as they did in the vietnam war.
@@alphabears6342 if you think they’re against tourniquets, you should ask them how they feel about someone with minimal medical training trying to clamp an artery from the inside. Also, in combat, you can’t just be sitting there with your hands in someone else’s GSW, shrapnel wound, or amputation, you have to cut off the blood flow quickly and get back in the fight. That’s where the saying “there’s no first aid in a gunfight” comes from. Tourniquets save lives, period.
@@snowshark156 they were against it for a long time as they have been trained under normal conditions. In some hospitals, it's even a practice to use tourniquets as a last result. I am not sure whether it's still the same today but few years ago, that would have been the case.
The ultimate warrior was the guy with the arm ties
Rob Sherbon Jr back when wrestling was cool🤣
Rob Sherbon Jr Ultimate Warrior, baby!!!!!
Ultimate Warrior was intense!!
That was the first one I thought of also. Man wrestling was entertaining then.
a lot of them did it back then, I think even Hulk Hogan had them.
I EDC a tourniquet but after hearing Doc T, I'm getting the RATs. Thanks!
Thanks for making it 6 inches longer.
I carry it around my waist and it was just a little to small for most of my students. The extra 6 inches will help big time. Now everyone can edc it
One of the first training classes i took was a TCCC-type class for civilians, taught by a retired SF medic, BEFORE i took anymore gun training. If you wanna learn to make holes, you should also know how to fix them. Doesn't hurt to learn from guys who have done it to know what works in real life. Excellent video as always, WP. Cheers.
But why do you want to learn to "make holes". And, if you are going to talk about learning to kill people, please have the courage of your convictions and do not use a euphemism to refer to shooting someone. Gosh, "making holes" indeed.
@@JamesGillis-m2i Stfu dork. This is over 4 years old.
I'm currently in Africa, and I see the arm sizes of these children. Sold. Thank you #JohnLovell and DocT.
Go with a CAT they’re tried and true, I have used a RAT and used a CAT and can say from experience the CAT works much better. The RAT worked but not nearly as well.
What an Awesome guy. check out the whole attitude man that`s why this fella has got in two decades with SF fricken awesome
Thanks fellas
Great points!! We are rolling out some tourniquet training to our church's congregation and my wife and I have taken two high level trauma classes.
I saw Travis just week before last at the ‘19 Indy NRA Show, recognizable from the micro trauma kit review.
So on the last day I thought it best to attend a seminar “Medical Mindset”. Sure enough... there’s Travis who’s doing the seminar. It was an excellent well done seminar. He’s inspired me to carry an EDC trauma kit as well as attend his training. I’m glad to see u have him in your channel!
I love my RAT's tourniquets. I have them everywhere. My kit, my wifes bags, the cars, everywhere.
It's very true, I've said to my wife "John said this is the one to buy" more than a few times. Thanks a ton.
Maybe link the video on how to wear it as well that was way back and many of the new subs probably haven't seen.
Corey Adcock CATS are simple to carry you just put it in your back pocket like a spare magazine. I get so tired of hearing everyone whine about how hard it is to carry a CATS, it's not. As for the RATS it's not even TCCC certified they put it on there, but they're lying because it's not. If you go down range in the military you cannot use a RATS tourniquet you can't but not authorized and there's a reason because they have to reapply to a certain way and they had to be applied perfectly in order to work and even then they don't always work. So something is better than nothing but you're basing your whole point on carrying something just because it's more comfortable. Can the RATS work, yes if perfectly applied in a perfect situation. If you just hastily put it on under duress or even have to put it on yourself 9 out of 10 it's not going to work effectively as advertised. Now the CATS will work 100% of the time regardless if you're applying it or if you're applying it to someone else it's basically idiot-proof. Everybody keeps using their new excuse or I should say Celtic children and elderly okay let's look at small children were talking 5 years of age and under and we're dealing with the elderly let's look at the statistics Nationwide how many of those people have been shot or in a serious accident where a tourniquet was required so much so that it made national headline news or even local news. It doesn't happen here in the United States once in a blue moon if you're wearing a belt there's your tourniquet for your kid cuz it doesn't take a lot of pressure to stop the bleeding on a elderly person or a kid not only that you got a shoelace. I've trained with the rats it's a pain in the butt to get that thing on properly so that it stops blood flow.
I personally have used both the CAT and RATs as a medic... I think both are great and work very well. The RATs is newer and not used much by those on the healthcare industry. The CAT has been battle tested with our military in the field and saves lives. I would say what every you choose to carry make sure you practice using regularly and you should be fine.
@@nicholasdesnoyer8505 you're either a liar or a complete idiot. RATS is a pile of shit, and any person who is trained with this type of gear would know that.
@@justsomenerd8925 prove it!
@@joelbenoitthewanderingbiso4976 literally the entire medical community has proven the rats tourniquet is fucking garbage, plus the creator made a business that sounds like an official medical body so he could trick people into thinking it was approved by them.
T: you should have seen the guy. He was a body builder type, just huge
John: yeah I know he’s just like me
😂😂
When you first recommended these I was hesitant because I have never seen them before. After much research and you endorsing them again I just bought a few to keep on me and put in different bags
I introduced the rats to a group at The National Ski Patrol at our yearly refresher and they were blown away. I'm hoping to have these implemented and approved nation wide by 2020. These things rock
Hey "G.I.", just ordered two after watching this vid...they will go into my kits along my CAT's .....well done and great info!
Wasted money that could cost a life.
Just a short note to say that I'll buy a couple. AND, thank you both for your service.
I'm a professional driver and the rats 1.0 is a vital part of my edc that rides on my belt daily.
Sorry you had to learn in that way. You're a beautiful soul. Thank you for teaching us. Medical is so over looked.
Doc Travis, a Hero just like the Door Kickers. Support your Veteran owned companies. Thx guys.🇺🇸💝🇺🇸💝🇺🇸💝🙏🌈👮
Something you need to know is civilian medics see more trauma than any combat medic. If your arm is ripped off in a motorcycle accident other than the other associated blast injuries it doesn't matter if it was an IED, The way I see it is, I place the TQ, I roll the pt to a LSB. I pick the patient up to put them on the stretcher, I move the stretcher into the ambulance, we go to the LZ, we take the patient out, we lift the patient to medevac's sled and slide them into the aircraft. That's a whole helluva lot of chances for gear to get snagged, pulled out, ripped off etc and you can bet your ass it happens. I make wagers with my partner if our IV's will make it into the bird, about half the time they get yanked out.. I wouldn't tie my shoe with a Rat TQ.
Tourniquets do not have to be placed as high as possible. You should place the tourniquet high and tight in care under fire. Otherwise, you should place it 2-3 inches above the wound. You can place a tourniquet over a two bone compartment.
This guy honestly seems like he isn't too caught up on modern techniques. I am pretty sure the rule now is that applying a TQ on the lower extremities will not break bones and will still occlude blood flow.
Oh I see you served in combat and know the most effective ways to stop people from dying,
this is years of research and death, and now in fact anyone who thinks tourniquet is old science is living from a old generation.
@@Dr.MantisTobogganMD What are you talking about and who are you talking to? If you're talking to me I think you misread my comment.
The guys at RATS are misleading their customers as stated here- www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/
The RATS is not approved by TCCC. Also I have been through several TCCC courses and if I remember right now days they teach in non-combat applications you can to apply a TQ on lower extremities too, the double bone problem is a myth. In care under fire go high and tight always though.
this is one of the best channels out there. thanks for all your hard work!
Amazing video. My daughter carries her own wipes, hand sanitizer, water bottle and other whatnots a 5 may need. I have never considered giving her a first aid kit even if she can’t use it herself. Also, I have received a lot of first aid training in the Navy but never heard of compensative shocks. I really appreciate your videos.
John could you revisit the tourniquet discussion? Know all of these vids are a snapshot in time. Wit the CoTCCC releasing their 2019 recommendations do you still rock these?
I do carry this everyday in an ankle kit. With a decompression needle, gloves, sheers, Israel bandage, gloves, quick clot, and gauze. All on my ankle, it's a small kit. But would be effective too stop the bleed.
I carry one everyday, it is not the best, not even close, the best is a SOF-T-W, what this tourniquet does offer is time, time to think a situation out, time to get to a real tourniquet, time to get off the X, it carries well, is quick, and best part is it flat works on kids and animals. Tourniquets don't stop bleeding, they slow it down, some better then others.
I am so buying these! Loved the demo, couldn't be easier. No stupid baton to break or whack you when it spins.
That's the best commercial I've ever seen. I'm going to pick up a bunch of these
I'm a 11B veteran and my wife is a RN, and we carry medical gear everywhere we go. We have had to re-fill our medical gear multiple times, because we have ran into so many situations that people needed emergency medical help, such as car/motorcycle crashes, gun shot wounds, fall accidents, and many more. I still carry a gun everywhere and train, but I havent needed to use it as much as my medical gear/skills.
I don't see the relevance.
Good point about fitting small girth extremities.
Oh how interesting. I recently bought a first aid kit and was disappointed to find the included tourniquet was not similar to the black one-handed tourniquet and was instead a wrap-and-tuck one. I thought the one-handed one would be better as it's easier to self-apply if you don't have full use of both hands, but it never occurred to me that it had some serious disadvantages in regards to how tight it can get or how it can be applied. So I guess I should keep the wrap-and-tuck in my kit after all. Thank you for the information.
I'm a ten year medic with experience in the private sector as well as local government fire service. The military isn't the only one that operates on a tight budget for tools. This would have given so many of the patients I've ran on an extra chance just due to size availability. God bless you DOC T.
I had to give you a thumbs down just for the 'god bless you Doc-t" comment. On the other hand, I can certainly agree with what the creator of the tourniquet said, even if you don't buy the RATS tourniquet "just buy something" . . . he was of course trying to create the sense that he is only interested in saving lives . . . who am I to doubt that . . . but, in any case, I am taking Kennth Carnie's comment and turning it around a bit to say, yes, if you have only a limited budget or space at least buy a RATS tourniquet, but if you have the budget and the space please buy a legitimately tested (third party testing) tourniquet like the CAT or SOFT -T Wide.
Also, I'd like Doc to address the issue of compartmentalization and if there's a technique to the application of this TQ to avoid creating that condition.
Practiced using both of those bunch of times in an executive protection course. RAT in my opinion is easier ti use and they both work very well had it put on me for practice 1 on each leg, hurt like hell and was numb in seconds both get thr job done.
thanks! i learned alot and want to learn more.
Green Berets are awesome in my opinion there the best of the best!!!
5:13 yeah hes like me...John said it twice and Doc T just kept talking. John even smirked like...how did you not notice ha!
Former Army Medic here. I'm sticking with CAT tourniquets.
If for some reason someone has to use my gear I don't want them to have to Google a RUclips video for a HowTo to have to apply it.
Have a nice day.
John thanks for the video and putting it out there that the rats isn't a pos. I have quite a few of them, and carry one on me every day. Keep doing what your doing man.
I need one for kids and animals. This is perfect.
I've been running one in my kit in Bahrain for 2 years now and I love it....maybe on the gen 3 we could have a tag or something on it to write the time on ( aside from writing it in blood on said injured person's head) thoughts?
I carry a RATs everyday..I trust it! Great video fellas
I own 3 of them bought a fake on wish it was ok for a dog or baby but yeah very happy I keep on in my bag with chest seals and quickclot
These cause a ton of soft tissue damage, they come lose, the guy created his own TCCC compaby to be able to say that his torniquete is approved by it..... nah man, i'd stay away from those.
Also, longer application time = worse odds
got proof that he "created his own TCCC compaby ( whatever that is) to be able to say that his tourniquet is approved by it"?
@@joelbenoitthewanderingbiso4976 literally is easy as looking it up : www.itstactical.com/medcom/medical/is-the-r-a-t-s-tourniquet-misleading-consumers-with-tccc-approval/
The TCCC orv"comitee for Tactical Combat Casualty Care" is the organization that is unbiased and makes guidelines based on evidence.
The USTCCC is an organizarion created by the inventor to approve his own torniquete and be able to say that the RATs is "TCCC approved"
Either way, I dont think WPS or Doc T would put their name out there if it was NOT an effective and useful tool. TCCC compliant or not - if it works and does what its designed to do....AND saves a life....that is all that matters and good enough for me. If all i had was one of these in the right moment, its not going to really matter except that you just saved a life. You cant get a better test platform other than on the real battlefield.
@@wildrootsfarm1975 in independent trials it has proven to not fully occlude blood flow (the only job a tq needs to do flawlessly) and causes more harm to the person. So while they keep bleeding out with the RATS they endure more pain.
@@wildrootsfarm1975 as a medic, if the tq does not easily occlude blood flow in the worst of conditions, i'm out. I dont care for attitude, history, etc. I cate if its the best tool in my toolbox. SOF T Wide, CATs those are the tqs you can most rely on.
Now, if you're given a rats and have nothing better, sure, carry it, but know you are carrying something only better than an shirt sleeve improvised tq.
If you want an EDC med kit, check out ITS tactical. They have a very small and basic EDC kit that has the necessary items to save lives.
Awesome video, good info from guys who actually have done it. Thank you for your service God bless
Gotta get it. I have the blue simple ribbon they use in the EMT. Used it to help in a motorcycle accident. The rat looks alot better. Getting it.
Been carrying one everyday for about a year great piece of kit. Not the only one I have but it is very easy to as EDC.
That may be a great piece of kit carry, it's not a great piece of kit to use
Excellent video. Didn't even feel like 20 minutes.
Fantastic video as usual - kudos to you both. I've just put in an order for two of them, one for my hunting pack and one for the commuter car. Already carry the CATS, but this one looks like it will work for a much wider range of application for sure. Thanks again.
Yes, I think the RATS may lend itself to a wider range of applications . . . but my suspicion is that it is no where near the best at any one of those application. I think the CAT and SOFT-T Wide are better suited for adults and many children . . . and I think there are better tounriquets, such as the CBC Classic Baby tourniquet for use with small children/infants. But, the more options the merrier yes . . . unless it all gets confusing.
Please have Travis Hall on the vid again!
I carry a SOF-T on my duty belt; a CAT on my vest and in my blowout kit, and a selection of tourniquets, including the RATS, in my mass shooter bag. I don’t hear the TK4 mentioned anymore, but I’ve used it effectively. It’s small and easy to carry, not to mention, cost effective.
Tk4 are used by militaries in other countries and are effective, i have heard that they failed testing cuz one popped off in a forward hospital and popped the doctor in eye with metal part.
Wow! Cool video. I'm a vet and a contractor. I need this added t my EDC. Thanks.
I remain skeptical about the RATS but I definitely respect its creator and appreciate your coverage of the topic. Hopefully we'll have some solid data soon so we can have a better-informed debate.
Have multiple rats TQs. Carry one every day on top of my trauma kit. Great video and I learned from it!
I just became a distributor for RATS. Great piece of gear.
You actually can place a tourniquet below the elbow, 2-3 inches above the wound site.
I remember you mentioning these a while back during the pocket dump of your Walmart jeans. Great stuff! Thanks guys!
I just emailed about this after rewatching your EDC video and saw "no longer recommend" great video with great info. I struggle to carry my CAT everyday looks like a RATS purchase is needed.
what is the closest to the wound should you put the rats, why so high on the arm? how long can the rats stay on without other damage? just got my RATS!
@@Dero_milsurp nope have 3 other types of tourniquets Not friendly to kids I like choices Rats is just another option
This is good this is very good I’m get me a tourniquet but I like this to this is very good I like it thank you John and doc
I carry a CAT inside my sock for everyday carry. You can make this work if you wear long socks. This can conceal well.
I plan on becoming a rural physician and already have medicore training I'm only a certified medical assistant and a Phlebotomist. I own a level 4 ceramic plates and regularly keep it in my truck just incase which I bought when I worked executive protection and PSD during my 20's now in my mid 30's medical is fun! I actually perfer packing a wound and I own one cat tourniquet. I can carry more roll gauge then have a bunch of cat tourniquets for an active shooter situation. I wouldn't mind owning a few of these
If it’s that thin wouldn’t it cause more severe tissue damage? I just finished EMT training and we talked about/ trained with tourniquets and I bought a kit with a CAT in it. I looked at these and I’ve heard around community that they are to thin and aren’t very effective for femoral bleeding. I get the smaller person/dog argument but at that point just use the CAT/similar tourniquet should be just as effective. You can regulate how hard you wrench the windless down on a extremity. Just have to not have a radial or Pedal pulse anymore. As for the time bit again I don’t have the experience under stress but CATS are fairly straight forward as long as you package it right and keep it accessible. Clotting agents like Celox are also an option with a pressure bandage and wound packing gauze for a stop the bleed circumstance.
Yeah the rats is not only ineffective, but much more damaging than other options. From my understanding, a sof t wide would work on smaller arms while actually doing its job.
No man!!!! The Ultimate Warrior!
Just got and started carrying my rats, the way you've showed previously works great John!