You can refresh old fuel using fractal distillation to separate the bad fuel elements from the good. You will lose some of the vehicle usable fuel, but the bad stuff can still be burnt off as a heating/outside lighting oil. The ammo situation can be explained by finding caches, there is still pre WW2 ammo that will fire (albeit with a high failure rate). A bigger issue is finding new battery chemicals as they will deteriorate. Also motorcycle petrol engines can't run on home brew diesel, so unless Daryl has a source of petrol, he would need an engine swap bodge with a diesel generator. An ethanol only motorcycle engine would run shockingly bad.
The fuel and bullets are explainable. What gets me is when they're jump starting cars that have been sitting for 10 plus years. I love your videos btw!
Lead Car Batteries are able to be restored. Obviously not all batteries are recoverable and there is no hint in the show that they do it, but car batteries can be restored and recycled.
Fun facts: The actor for Daryl he was scared of horses and because of that he ride just Motorcycles, was supposed to ride a Horse but the Writers they change the story
In a later season C Thomas Howell appeared as one of the residents at Hilltop. He competed in rodeos (his father was a professional rodeo rider) and was an accomplished rider. He got on the show because of his riding ability and knew several of the actors from other roles.
Some of the things that bug me for being overlooked in practically every zombie/post apocalypse movie I have seen are 1.people wearing the same clothes for years? I can’t believe that while scavenging for food, ammo, medicine etc…nobody ever finds a new shirt or pair of jeans! I get it that wouldn’t be a main concern but I guarantee if I’m searching a place, I’m going to grab any socks I find or a fresh pair of jeans. 2.they never seem to remember the thousands of propane tanks scattered everywhere. Propane that can power grills, heaters, stoves and generators with very simple conversion effort. 3.all those tractor trailers abandoned on the highways would be treasure chests of goods of all kinds, packed up for shipping and protected from the weather.
You raise a really good point with the first point. For a real-world example, when I was homeless in 2018, one of the biggest essentials for me was making sure I had clean clothes. Unfortunately this meant I would sometimes have to shoplift from a Sears or Target if I was really strapped for cash, but I'd make sure I completely cycled out the clothes I had in my possession after a month due to the wear and tear that comes from frequently wearing and washing the same 5-6 t shirts and 7 pairs of socks/undies. Like you can develop rashes, catch body lice/ticks, and get infections if you're wearing the same sets of clothes too often and for too long a period of time, and if you repeatedly wear unwashed/poorly washed clothes with blood on them and happen to have any scrapes, sores, or cuts you can easily get sepsis and die even _outside_ of a zombie apocalypse.
@capitolcircles Not really, and there's two reasons for this: 1.) Scavenging for clothes is just as natural as scavenging for food or medicine. Something as simple as _"Rosita is expecting, so we're gonna need to get her shirts a size larger for the time being"_ or _"RJ had another growth spurt, he can't be wearing kids clothes anymore"_ when survivors are looking for supplies would be an easy resolution for the issue writing-wise. 2.) In-universe, the survivors we see will often wear the same or similar clothes for months to years on end with no wear and tear. This suggests either the clothes are insanely durable, or every cast member has a Doug Funnie closet.
in the case of The Walking Dead whenever they do get new clothes it's always something that fits just right, which ok i'm sure they can find it but after years most of that shit would have rotted or been gotten into by rats, moths etc. i mean Judith goes from not there to what like 10 or something around there. thats a long ass time for clothes to just be sitting there being brand new
@@CaptainBeebi I think the writers don't necessarily change the survivors clothing because it's part of their image and the character as a whole. Imagine Daryl without his beat up as as shit pants.
What bother me is the Alexandrian "defenses". Forest, right next to the "walls" creating so MANY possibilities for cover by an attacking group. The fact that many machines are still semi operable enough that they can make fuel for heavy machinery, knock those trees down for a line of sight, dig trenches, use all the construction resources just LAYING AROUND from when they were abandoned and build a thick stone wall. There's literally enough cement and limestone around just WAITING to be mixed . Sure you need the human resources but Alexandria HAD that, and most of them were just sitting around living in a fantasy world for YEARS.
Right! And the road they just leave totally unobstructed and unobserved. You would think they were not in an apocalypse… the Hilltop was not really any better security wise.
@@jeffreycarman2185 Yeah, like when the Savior convoy was pulling up that time when they had Eugene with them, Could've TRIED digging hidden trenches in the road. Maybe spread homemade caltrops everywhere to take out their vehicles tires. Homemade pintle mounted crossbows positioned on the walls. All the sludgy, flammable oil products laying around you can make basically n@p@lm and other incendiary stuff. They forgot to "plan for the worse" and ONLY hoped for the best....in the zombie apocalypse.... lol Negan could have been taken care of quickly, considering the Savior homebase was a polluted old factory/warehouse crap hole. lol
If zombies are killed by brain injury, the near perfect weapon for defense of a base would be using all the wires from power lines and spinning them horizontally using solar power or geared manual power. Also, those same power lines could be set up similar to a sling shot to launch straight and cut anyone/anything in 2. Even if they're not dead, they cant advance easily.
@ The Hilltop was only SLIGHTLY better, but yeah you're right, not by much. Sure they have the "hill" advantage, but it also looked to me like they only ever cleared the "front" area for crops and stuff, but left the forest on all the other sides. GRANTED, he probably came up with the bio-fuel and ethanol producing and conversion process, but still....
The book Georgie gives Maggie would be just one example of how the ability to make and refine fuel would go from being "very rare" to "fundamental for survival" type knowledge.
Besides ethanol and a small refinery operation in FTWD, the folks in Dead City were producing methanol from decaying walkers in the NY sewers. Fuel for diesels vehicles can vary in quality, and bio diesel can be made from vegetable oil or fryer grease. With regards to CRM getting old refineries running, there was another technology created a few years ago called thermal depolymerization. A division of Conagra produced a plant in Carthage, Missouri which could convert waste bio stock into #2 fuel oil. It was located next to a Butterball turkey processing plant and could convert the skin, feathers, and guts into oil through extreme heat and pressure.
@@awnzotheman Early on in the series the stores and gas stations were ransacked of fuel and supplies due to mass panic. Scavengers cleaned out anything of value from people's houses as well. Anything left would've been either locked away or in a large tanks inaccessible without restoring a certain level of infrastructure.
Ammo is much less of a plot hole in the US. There are trillions of rounds just out in the wild. Moreover the equipment for reloading bullets is fairly common and could be learned from a book. I would be cautious about producing my own gunpowder but there are places to find supplies of that at least for a time. The survivors tend to find groups of dead soldiers fairly often and while the guns are probably worse for wear ammo in magazines on a zombie will probably be okay. Fuel is harder and it takes more knowledge to get out of the ground and turned into gas. I have seen people run from biofuels which would make sense in the world presented.
@@StinkyGreenBud I always wonder that plus where do they get fresh water to drink and wash in .................. hang on its a TV show and I have a life
@@Roberto-tu5re You're definitely the guy at the New Year party constantly saying how lame it all is, but still hanging around cause you aint got shit else to do
Both the commonwealth and the CRM had industrial capacities. The commonweath had a chemcial industry for sure because they had plastic injection molding to produce the unique armor. If they can produce plastics then they can produce diesel. But it makes a huge contradiction because they didn't make greater use of vehicles like the CRM did. Both organizations had large populations and large armies. It would be interesting for you to pose the question as to why they never crossed paths. Negan did have reservations about using up his ammo reserves to clear the santuary which tells me that they were out there scavenging ammo. Same with gas but the problem with gas is that it will lose it properties and would need additives to make it viable again. So they would have to be able to do that in order to recycle old gas when found.
I feel like the saviors were never going to make it long term sure they had much manpower but a highly unstable political structure with tons of disatisfied rebelious subjects if they had enabled a more democratic/less top down form of government and then focused on actually producing stuff instead of just stealing the tribute of their subjects then maybe they could have been someonething bigger
@@wikkanoThey could have lasted, but the fact is that relying on others to supply you by force is highly unstable. His mistake was not leaving people to monitor the people who supplied him constantly. So they were just left to do as they wanted freely unsupervised 😂
In fear the walking dead they had a group working an oil field in Texas I believe and they were using that for gas .. I forget which group but they had a bunch of people working it
I'm just some random middle class American and I got a thousand rounds of M855 5.56mm and 600 rounds of 9mil in long term storage, I imagine millions of others have more or less or the same as me. That would explain the abundance of ammo even after 12yrs.
Wait until you learn that most of them have primers that won't work after 5 years. They were made that way so stockpiling of ammo by civilians would be useless....
@gomahklawm4446 Thats not true and easily disprovable by anyone who still has ammo from 2020, like me. Primers also have no experation date, stop spreading fake news.
diesel can basically always be useful as a fuel source in some form even after it expires, although you don't want to use it in a vehicle after a few years but it'll work for things like oil lamps and fire torches expired diesel basically works as a lower grade fuel oil and can be used in generators designed for that kinda stuff
diesel engines can happily run on used engine oil so old diesel is on the cards too there are so many available fuels for diesel engines that it would take a very long time to exchaust them all as I doubt many people are thinking of taking stale fuel and engine oil from cars and trucks
@@SNOUTxTOUT that was exactly what I was thinking. You only need older mechanical diesels (think Cummins 12v and early 24v) that will run on anything, no power needed (except maybe to start). It's easy enough to make fuel for those and with all those abandoned cars out there, they would be a great source of used oil to make black diesel. Diesel generators for power, diesel tractors for farming, diesel construction equipment for building etc. It's almost limitless potential to get things back up and running on a smaller scale.
Without a fuel stabilizer, gasoline starts to degrade in 3-6 months. With a fuel stabilizer, gasoline starts to degrade after around 3 years. Diesel also has a shelf life of around 1 year, and is prone to growing algae due to water condensation in partially full tanks. Ammunition is another issue. But, probably less of one than fuel. Keep in mind in the USA, there are well over 400 million firearms. if each weapon only has 10 rounds available for it that is 4 BILLION bullets. I would assume there is more than that available. Then there are the hobbyists who create their own ammunition. More than likely having not only the equipment to handcraft ammo, but detailed instructions as well. The issues then become gunpowder, primers, cases(which can be reused with the proper equipment) and the bullets themselves. It is relatively easy to cast lead bullets, but those are not suitable for high powered firearms, and would more than likely only be available for handguns after a certain amount of time. Crafting gunpowder again, isn't that difficult, but it wouldn't be modern smokeless powders. Ultimately, I would expect firearms to start malfunctioning as the quality of the ammunition degrades over time with handmade ammo. Not enough pressure to operate the mechanisms, fouling from poor quality powder, not enough pressure for the bullet to exit the barrel due to fouling or lead build up, and a lot of weapons jamming. This is all assuming I know anything about these subjects.
One thing that always bothered me was Daryl’s arrows! With a crossbow of that magnitude, you need a specific type of arrow. I’m an archer, albeit a compound bow, but the same idea applies. The faster or higher the draw weight of a bow, the arrow needs to be sturdier, less pliable. And the right length for the draw length. Daryl’s crossbow always had less than a dozen arrows at any given time, and yet he had an endless supply years later. Even if he re-collected them, and I mean ALL of them!! Some break after time, especially when used regularly. (I know, I’ve broken mine, after a few months of use. ) Making arrows for a crossbow… yeah, that’d be unrealistic. Not only would you need a REALLY strong wood or a way to reinforce it, you’d need precision tools to make it straight enough to be accurate. Longbows/ recurve bows can shoot handmade arrows, again, not with the same accuracy, but can work, they may not last more than one or 2 shots if you’re shooting at 55+ lb draw weight. I know, I’ve way overthought it! 😅 but like I said, as an archer, I’ve learned this stuff. It’s ingrained in my head. 😂
Tires - rubber degrades over time, even unused tires have a shelf life. 11 years into the end of the world, there wouldnt be any useable tires left. Thats whats bugged me the most.
thats just not true lol the tyres would start to perish over time but they would still work and there are so many in storage that you would have spares for at least 30 years or so until they really are too far gone and you have to make something yourself
The tires don't just auto-distruct when they're over their shelf life man 😂 They just lose elasticity and flatten, basically expect worse grip and a bumpy ride but still very usable otherwise.
In America there’s 4 guns for every 1 person and just about enough ammo to match all it would take is someone saving casings and finding a home ammo press (a lot more commonly used then you think) and that’s not even mentioning arms factories
I can understand if people are not from American or people who aren’t into guns. There is so much ammo in private reserve. I’m an average working class man who is into guns. I have thousands of rounds of ammo for my guns and most average gun people will have the same that’s not including police departments military bases that have reserves. Also if ammo is stored properly it can last for kinda indefinitely. That’s not including making ammo black powder can be made pretty easy. What would run dry would be primers that’s what would be the hard part to make.
Judith serves to me as a reminder of how the timeline goes in TWD universe. I agree that the existence of more advanced communities like Commonwealth explain the abundance of some of the resource. Remember they interview the people joining the community on what they did as a job in the past so there's a chance for them to meet someone that knows how to create resources from scratch like Eugene
There’s trillions of rounds within the North America, not just the US. there’s also tons of reloading equipment, particularly in more rural areas, sporting goods/gun stores. Lathes are also somewhat easy to find if you know where to look. The only real issue I see is mastering the chemistry for different mixes of smokeless powder, but even then once you get it, there’s not much need to experiment after that. Lead everywhere and relatively easy to cast into bullets. You can reuse clean brass a few times, trim and reshape for other calibers. Blanks are still deadly at point blank, though probably not the most worth it, but hey, I’m sure you can find uses for them. If they decide to hunt, they could use muzzle loaders to cut down on resource usage
Ammunition doesn't have much of a shelf life when stored in a dry area. Fuel on the other hand has a shelf life. Within a year, fuel composition begins separating. I went to the main sites forums and questioned why I was still seeing them driving new modern Chevy's that use fuel injectors and high efficiency fuel systems that won't run on ethanol. Older vehicles from early 80s and older someone can alter carburetors to function on more renewable fuels. It did not take long after I questioned they changed the vehicles from commercially donated modern vehicles to slightly more realistic automobiles. This is why fuel stabilizers are sold, primarily for stored fuel over winter months, because as I said, within 6 months, it begins to separate from combustibles and detergents among other chemical compounds. Siphoning fuel from fuel tanks of gas stations after 1.5-2 years makes the liquid extracted almost worthless for modern vehicles that are designed for ethanol based fuels today. Modern vehicles won't function well off fuels in the 70s and 80s. But those older vehicles WILL function moderately decently on modern fuels.
They explained this informally. Individual cars people have run out of gas. So they have to get another car like shane did when his jeep ran out of gas. As for ammo. After a person uses what ammo they have they can look around on people, in abandoned stores as was done on the show for more. And once the ammo is fully gone they make ammo like Eugene.
In fear the walking dead they had a group ( I forget which one ) working a oil field extracting oil and using that for gas, so they definitely thought about this , just not so much in the regular twd I suppose
I travelled for business and was away 6 months and came back to a working car with no issues. I did go and buy fuel cleaner to be safe. Gasoline doesn't spoil like milk. It just starts to break down into gasses and water. The water is what messes it up but you can buy a $30 funnel filter that will remove all the water from gas. Your car's fuel tank actually has a small vent on the top just for the gasses to leave the tank. Fuel cleaners disperse the water throughout the gasoline so it gets burned off instead of collecting in the gasket.
I have cranked up and driven an old Volvo 245DL that sat for years with old fuel in its tank.Also with all the dead there should have been plenty of fuel stabilizer to aquire and use.
Fun motorcycle fact they actually wont run on pure ethanol in the US its a safety concern thing,. if you were to crash and puncture your tank there's no visible way to see ethanol flames so the engines are basically design to self destruct if it's used. we use premium in our bikes and premium has a higher shelf life granted it's not four years but you could maybe get enough obtain boost out of mixing in some ethanol.
It doesn't seem that Darrell's life got much worse compared to his childhood. He might actually have more after the collapse. Now he has people who care about him and he also cares for them. You could make 6 figures each year and NEVER have that today.
Gasoline stays much more stable than people think it does. I've seen riding lawn mowers turn over with 20 year old gas in them. It loses octane, but it still works.
Up into the war in season 8, it was barely 3 years into the apocalypse, and during then, hardly ammo would hve been used. The show takes place mainly in Virginia. There is no shortage of ammo at least until season 9
After a few years, gasoline turns to Schlack. Or varnish. This is why the military adds chemicals to crate Mo-Gas to give it an extended lifespan. Vehicles that are to be stored have their oil and gas drained. Fill a normal car with ethanol and you have a car that freezes up. You need to rebuild the engine to take a different fuel. Try to put deisel into an IC engine or gas into a diesel engine and see what happens.
Gasoline starts to degraged after half a year, a year depending. The longer it "goes on", the less any usable gasoline would be around. Highly unlikely you'd find a ton of gasoline with additives from preppers or something.
It took about 1 minute to find you can just buy Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter and it will separate the water from gasoline. Gasoline expires by the fuel breaking down into gases and water. But remaining fuel can be easily filtered out. It's $30 on Amazon guys. Gasoline doesn't spoil like milk. It doesn't suddenly become unusable. My car sat idle for 6 months and it ran just fine. Some people will have sputtering as water gets into the gasket. This is fixed with a simple gasoline filter.
It would take decades for the supply of reasonably useful tyres to run out though. My spare is from 2004 and still looks fine - I wouldn't think twice about using it in a pinch. The show is only 13 years in at the end Diesel engines will run on so many things survivors would not be hard pressed to find fuel. (engine oil, stale petrol, hydraulic fluid, any old oil, just diesel)
Too bad I haven’t see black powder gun in Walking Dead. It’s old and different kind of gunpowder for old types of guns like muzzleloaders, flintlocks, and percussion caps. The kind of gunpowder is easy and relatively safe to make compared to modern nitrocellulose gunpowder. All you need is a few supplies from your local home improvement store in the gardening section.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that they learned how to make ethanol,and we see Eugene making bullets. It's the amount of these things that throws me off. They just don't have the resources to produce the amount of these things. The Daryl Dixon spinoff addressed the issue by showing vehicles that were converted to (what I assume) is propane. Which, again, would be finite. It's all about plot devices,and you have to forgive that for the sake of furthering the story. The ammo, I have no explanation, other than they have people scavenging casings and finding powder, nonstop...
You can run a gasoline engine on alcohol. Just need a still and the proof to be at 180 or 90%abv. Then gap the spark plug a bit more. Diesel can run on engine oil so long as the doner vehicle doesn't have a bad head gasket.. filters might be another problem but there are ways around that. Ammo would be easy so long as you keep the shell and have a way to melt aluminum or lead
Fuel can be explained, if you can make moonshine you can make ethanol, ethanol is fuel. All you need are some stills available at any store that sells homebrew beer & wine kits. If you can make moonshine and ethanol you can also make disinfectant for cleaning wounds and even Kevin Spencer approved cough syrup, it'll get you buzzed too. Gas left in abandoned cars will be good for maybe a few months, gas stabilizers will keep it usable for up to a year, proper gas storage in a pressurized tank will keep it usable for three years tops then it's as useless as water. Everyone says "There's millions of bullets in the US", but after 10 years those aren't going to be any good either, and it's not like it was all placed in storage on Day 1 of the outbreak, a lot of it was already in storage for years. You might find some military cold-storage ammo kept in freezer units running on nuclear power in government bunkers like the one under the White House, NORAD in Colorado or underground mining tunnels converted into storage like the ones in Day of the Dead, which was a real storage bunker, ammo kept frozen by a nuclear power source should last 90-100 years or up to 12-20 years after the power source shuts down, a nuclear plant could run up to 80 years without humans but could also meltdown at any time, Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island and Fukushima are what happens in that scenario. After that, unless you can make bullets yourself you're using sticks and stones, bows and arrows, spears and katanas etc.
The safety mechanisms in nuclear plants and reactors would make them automatically shut down once there's insufficient workers showing up. Note this isn't a melt down, it's just like turning off an engine to put it simply. They might even shut cores down due to insufficient demand and or to staff a remaining reactor before the automated systems take over. Chernobyl, 3 mile island and Fukushima wouldn't happen unless there's chicanery, incompetence, no safety systems, a natural disaster, significant damage to the infrastructure of the plant or a combination of those elements.
There's awful lot of ammo in the USA. 1 huge issue is the lack of .22LR use in the show. This would be an ammo which characters could carry a large supply. If you're forced to make headshots a .22 is adequate. There should be hunting rifles & shotguns.
I have a pickup truck that has 20 gal. I dont drive it to work. 1 tank of gas lasts well over a month. I can see in a survival situation, especially if you are making your own ethanol and limiting trips, you can make a tank of gas last 6 months. My motorcycle gets about 60-70mpg. If I were to take the gas out of my truck and put it in my motorcycle, that would probably last a year. People dont realize how much gas we spend ONLY to get to work.
The thing about fuel is that even if there is a good supply for years to come, eventually the fuel will deteriorate and will become useless so unless they somehow are able to make fuel it doesnt seem possible to me the other thing ive heard will work out dk to be certain tho, so take it with a grain of salt but for diesel engines is that u can run them on any sort of oil ive seen people use old engine oil as fuel for an old military truck, people using cooking oil as fuel and stuff but still all that will go bad eventually and unless they have a way to make more it will still run out Edit: i commented at the start of the video so the narrator does mention expiration dates on fuel
Pretty simple for the ammunition.. The U.S. produces over 8.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition per year. If the zombie outbreak destroyed society in a matter of weeks, not much of the stockpile of probably something like 20 billion rounds would be fired. There is ammunition everywhere for various firearms. At current rates of consumption based on the TV show, probably 75% of the ammunition will corrode before getting fired.
I’d even make the argument that any sizable post-apocalyptic community in the Walking Dead universe would absolutely need to have a cobbler and a seamstress, who had knowledge of fabric weaving. The reason why, is because I’ve always wondered how much off screen time the characters spend finding appropriate sized shoes, underwear and socks, that haven’t disintegrated while sitting on the dusty shelves of retail store fronts and rotting homes. Anyone who runs or hikes a lot knows exactly what I’m talking about with shoe, underwear and sock products made in the 21st century. In comparison making black powder ammo and low grade biofuel, both of which can be rationed, seems more likely than clothing and footwear
What really gets me is why no one in the United States after the zombie apocalypse is smart enough to look for shipping warehouses for groceries and goods. One of the first things I would do after sheltering in place would be to go find the Wal-Mart and Amazon warehouses. Also, no one is smart enough during the fall to download a bunch of survival books, or to go get survival and crafting books from book stores, libraries or similar places. Literally not one single survivor actually planned to survive, and in actual survival scenarios those people are the least likely to survive, but somehow they keep shambling from one easily avoided crisis to another because they are too lazy to look for the warehouse district or too stupid to learn from mistakes already made. Another big one is why not one single human being has figured out that human teeth are almost useless against good leather. A guy with a full body motorcycle uniform with integrated helmet and a couple of knives would be an immoral warrior of doom to most zombies.
A group could supply itself with power relatively easily if they had the right people, sources of detailed knowledge and/or experience, time to devote to those projects, adequate obtainable resources and a good, stable longer term location. Wind is pretty straightforward and a group should be able to get something like that set up anywhere pretty easily if the environment was good for that. Solar panels are in a lot of places too. They can fail and degrade over time and won’t be replaceable anytime soon. Steam power shouldn’t be that hard, but it can be dangerous. Especially on larger scales. Get small scale, simple stuff up and running so you can get bigger stuff up and running. Imagine being able to collect a bulldozer, excavator, etc…? Within no time, if done correctly you could have an almost impenetrable compound.
The distilling process is known. As soon as they could grow corn the hilltop would be king. Motorcycle and manual carburators can be rejetted for alcohol. Looked into the remanufacture of all those spent primers. Casting lead bullets. Then homemade powder. There might also be millions and millions of military rounds. A key to the Zombie Genre is head hits versus trunk. Soldiers taught to shoot center of mass or about 1/8th the area for heads. The target small and moving. Nothing a troop of boy scouts up in trees with a 22 and a brick of ammo could not handle! (Premise: that ammo would be quickly exhausted with about a 1/100 succeed rate. Takes about a dozen rounds to bring down. Never seen crossbow bolts feathered with marijuana leaves before.
They're two things that *are* possible, whether its most plausible and likely is debatable..But whats the fun in that. Their consistent stock of ammo and fuel is not something thats outright not possible, and does to not make sense.
Honestly the supply of fuel and ammo in the US is not the problem for a 10-15 years later scenario where 90% of the population is dead. All the cars on the streets have fuel a lot of public stations would still have fuel, then you have stations specifically for city vehicles like police cars and garbage trucks, fuel transports that were abandoned, and actual fuel depots probably near a refinery. Same for ammo some stores will still have some in some places, police stations, pending the area a lot of houses will have a little some more than others obviously military bases and FOBs will likely have supplies, some of the random abandoned vehicles will have some that people grabbed before ditching town. For both resources its largely the same shit is everywhere. BUT. Is it where you need it when you need it. And finding the right type. Ammo would be the hardest because while it doesn't really do bad over time, at least not for a long time. Finding the type for the weapon you have might be an issue if your weapon uses a less common caliber. I'm not gonna jump for joy if I find an FN Five-Seven pistol or even the beloved FN P90 in the apoc. I love the pistol but 5.7mm ammo is not common and kinda expensive for people to stock pile. You most likely to find 5.56, .38 special, 7.62, .223, .308, 9mm, and of coarse a range of 12g shotgun shells. Then assuming you found a decent amount like a prepper that didn't make it home's bunker or something. If you don't have a vehicle or horse how are you gonna transport it. Ammo is not light. With fuel you only got 3 types, standard gasoline, diesel, and high ethanol content fuel which will eat hoses and lines on engines not designed for it. Also a none flex fuel engine will run like shit if at all give the wrong fuel even if the engine parts can handle the fuel trying to eat it. Some old military diesel engines can run on several different fuels with varying levels of performance from diesel, to kerosene, to jet fuel, to motor oil to fryer oil from fast food places. The problem with fuels though is they will pretty much all be junk after 10 years. Yes some older cars will still run on it but they will run like shit as the fuel has decayed and separated.
Obviously there's gasoline and bullet demons whose sole job is to travel the world and make sure every gas station tank is topped off and all the long-abandoned ammo stores still have ample provisions and no cola. It's like the Candle Demon in Doom, whose sole job is to go around the maps when you're not looking and fill the rooms with candles to enhance the mood.
Actually its pretty simple ... Ammunition and fuel as they have a time of effectiveness... They are in abundance... And ammunition can be repaired... To be more precise i have done it using old ammo to make new and fuel there are thousand of thousand of gallons or liters of it in the us alone and the condition and expiration of fuel is kind of wide on date and time and Ethanol... Actually can be lit even 15 years after producing ... If you dont believe me just make some home made alcohol and save in cold and dark storage for some years and even after those years it would lit in burst like its made yesterday 😅
ALL TV shows and movies are set in alternative universe. The gasoline in the walking dead doesn't go bad as fast as in our universe. Regarding the prevalence of ammo and guns, it is obvious because this is still America.
ethanol is simple, keep distilling moonshine and that's it. powder is much more complicated, you need chemical facilities, manufacturing process is complicated
What about Wendell Rabinowitz surviving the zombie apocalypse in a f'n wheel chair, but very able bodied healthy adults get taken out. Explain this one to me
Ammo never runs out because you can always make more. My buddy has a bunch of reloading shit. Said he even uses coffee grounds as filler for his black powder reloads.
All of these are easy to explain...ammo and fuel are plentyful in the US, from stores and then all of the military bases located in those areas were the series takes place
The ammo never bothered me untill they somehow started running out? Its America theres more ammo than people here. As for the fuel they could be using ethanol which would work but is far less efficient than gasoline
usa suply fuel for 200 million vehicles for couple weeks. if have only people 10000 survive and decrease every day in usa fuel in storage it hard to find onthe road. but in 5-10year you can get them from fuel container fuel factoty ship or from military base.
It's simple, they have the loot respawn setting turned on.
My man
@@electro7435 Season 1 and 2 it was Survival mode. Season 3 and up it was PVP server settings with respawnable loot and all that.
You can refresh old fuel using fractal distillation to separate the bad fuel elements from the good. You will lose some of the vehicle usable fuel, but the bad stuff can still be burnt off as a heating/outside lighting oil. The ammo situation can be explained by finding caches, there is still pre WW2 ammo that will fire (albeit with a high failure rate). A bigger issue is finding new battery chemicals as they will deteriorate. Also motorcycle petrol engines can't run on home brew diesel, so unless Daryl has a source of petrol, he would need an engine swap bodge with a diesel generator. An ethanol only motorcycle engine would run shockingly bad.
@@Alte.Kameraden season 4 amd 5 was Minecraft survival mode
There are trillions of rounds of ammunition in the United States in the hands of the civilian population.
exactly their is so much ammo out their
Heck, I have around 800 rnds of 9mm myself. Goes quick at the range. Plus, ya know, zombies.
There are more guns than people in the US 😂
Yes, but in the years of the Apocalypse those rounds will be used up rather fast
There would be a lot of gas in cars too
The fuel and bullets are explainable. What gets me is when they're jump starting cars that have been sitting for 10 plus years. I love your videos btw!
Its usually just 1-5 yrs
Batteries last forever in the show. Mine are dead In three years on average, buy new one.
Lead Car Batteries are able to be restored. Obviously not all batteries are recoverable and there is no hint in the show that they do it, but car batteries can be restored and recycled.
Fuel would run out in a couple of years tops. The shelf life of gasoline is not very long.
Along with changing the oil n filters
Don't worry about your English man, watching this video I could understand every single word you said clearly!
Same
Fun facts: The actor for Daryl he was scared of horses and because of that he ride just Motorcycles, was supposed to ride a Horse but the Writers they change the story
In a later season C Thomas Howell appeared as one of the residents at Hilltop. He competed in rodeos (his father was a professional rodeo rider) and was an accomplished rider. He got on the show because of his riding ability and knew several of the actors from other roles.
Some of the things that bug me for being overlooked in practically every zombie/post apocalypse movie I have seen are
1.people wearing the same clothes for years? I can’t believe that while scavenging for food, ammo, medicine etc…nobody ever finds a new shirt or pair of jeans! I get it that wouldn’t be a main concern but I guarantee if I’m searching a place, I’m going to grab any socks I find or a fresh pair of jeans.
2.they never seem to remember the thousands of propane tanks scattered everywhere. Propane that can power grills, heaters, stoves and generators with very simple conversion effort.
3.all those tractor trailers abandoned on the highways would be treasure chests of goods of all kinds, packed up for shipping and protected from the weather.
You raise a really good point with the first point. For a real-world example, when I was homeless in 2018, one of the biggest essentials for me was making sure I had clean clothes. Unfortunately this meant I would sometimes have to shoplift from a Sears or Target if I was really strapped for cash, but I'd make sure I completely cycled out the clothes I had in my possession after a month due to the wear and tear that comes from frequently wearing and washing the same 5-6 t shirts and 7 pairs of socks/undies.
Like you can develop rashes, catch body lice/ticks, and get infections if you're wearing the same sets of clothes too often and for too long a period of time, and if you repeatedly wear unwashed/poorly washed clothes with blood on them and happen to have any scrapes, sores, or cuts you can easily get sepsis and die even _outside_ of a zombie apocalypse.
@@CaptainBeebi I understand the point, but would it really be convenient for writers to incorporate all of that?
@capitolcircles Not really, and there's two reasons for this:
1.) Scavenging for clothes is just as natural as scavenging for food or medicine. Something as simple as _"Rosita is expecting, so we're gonna need to get her shirts a size larger for the time being"_ or _"RJ had another growth spurt, he can't be wearing kids clothes anymore"_ when survivors are looking for supplies would be an easy resolution for the issue writing-wise.
2.) In-universe, the survivors we see will often wear the same or similar clothes for months to years on end with no wear and tear. This suggests either the clothes are insanely durable, or every cast member has a Doug Funnie closet.
in the case of The Walking Dead whenever they do get new clothes it's always something that fits just right, which ok i'm sure they can find it but after years most of that shit would have rotted or been gotten into by rats, moths etc. i mean Judith goes from not there to what like 10 or something around there. thats a long ass time for clothes to just be sitting there being brand new
@@CaptainBeebi I think the writers don't necessarily change the survivors clothing because it's part of their image and the character as a whole. Imagine Daryl without his beat up as as shit pants.
What bother me is the Alexandrian "defenses". Forest, right next to the "walls" creating so MANY possibilities for cover by an attacking group. The fact that many machines are still semi operable enough that they can make fuel for heavy machinery, knock those trees down for a line of sight, dig trenches, use all the construction resources just LAYING AROUND from when they were abandoned and build a thick stone wall. There's literally enough cement and limestone around just WAITING to be mixed . Sure you need the human resources but Alexandria HAD that, and most of them were just sitting around living in a fantasy world for YEARS.
Right! And the road they just leave totally unobstructed and unobserved. You would think they were not in an apocalypse… the Hilltop was not really any better security wise.
@@jeffreycarman2185 Yeah, like when the Savior convoy was pulling up that time when they had Eugene with them, Could've TRIED digging hidden trenches in the road. Maybe spread homemade caltrops everywhere to take out their vehicles tires. Homemade pintle mounted crossbows positioned on the walls. All the sludgy, flammable oil products laying around you can make basically n@p@lm and other incendiary stuff. They forgot to "plan for the worse" and ONLY hoped for the best....in the zombie apocalypse.... lol Negan could have been taken care of quickly, considering the Savior homebase was a polluted old factory/warehouse crap hole. lol
If zombies are killed by brain injury, the near perfect weapon for defense of a base would be using all the wires from power lines and spinning them horizontally using solar power or geared manual power. Also, those same power lines could be set up similar to a sling shot to launch straight and cut anyone/anything in 2. Even if they're not dead, they cant advance easily.
@ The Hilltop was only SLIGHTLY better, but yeah you're right, not by much. Sure they have the "hill" advantage, but it also looked to me like they only ever cleared the "front" area for crops and stuff, but left the forest on all the other sides. GRANTED, he probably came up with the bio-fuel and ethanol producing and conversion process, but still....
@ yeah, exactly. all these materials just sitting around, and Eugene the "smart guy", never had very much just occur to him.
The book Georgie gives Maggie would be just one example of how the ability to make and refine fuel would go from being "very rare" to "fundamental for survival" type knowledge.
Sure but its still not easy to find those resources.
If Eugene can make bullets, lots of people can.
Corn alcohol fuel.
FTWD had oil wells and tanker trucks. Liquid gold.
Besides ethanol and a small refinery operation in FTWD, the folks in Dead City were producing methanol from decaying walkers in the NY sewers. Fuel for diesels vehicles can vary in quality, and bio diesel can be made from vegetable oil or fryer grease. With regards to CRM getting old refineries running, there was another technology created a few years ago called thermal depolymerization. A division of Conagra produced a plant in Carthage, Missouri which could convert waste bio stock into #2 fuel oil. It was located next to a Butterball turkey processing plant and could convert the skin, feathers, and guts into oil through extreme heat and pressure.
Plus isn't only 10 percent of the population left on earth? That's a lot of fuel and ammo for the people left.
@@awnzotheman Early on in the series the stores and gas stations were ransacked of fuel and supplies due to mass panic. Scavengers cleaned out anything of value from people's houses as well. Anything left would've been either locked away or in a large tanks inaccessible without restoring a certain level of infrastructure.
Ammo is much less of a plot hole in the US. There are trillions of rounds just out in the wild. Moreover the equipment for reloading bullets is fairly common and could be learned from a book. I would be cautious about producing my own gunpowder but there are places to find supplies of that at least for a time. The survivors tend to find groups of dead soldiers fairly often and while the guns are probably worse for wear ammo in magazines on a zombie will probably be okay.
Fuel is harder and it takes more knowledge to get out of the ground and turned into gas. I have seen people run from biofuels which would make sense in the world presented.
Fuel and ammo but also how they always maintain the same weight, never look malnourished and aren’t super skinny.
Or how the world never seems to grow. Like grass/weeds.
@@StinkyGreenBud I always wonder that plus where do they get fresh water to drink and wash in .................. hang on its a TV show and I have a life
@@Roberto-tu5re oh Bob, shush.
Nor cut their silly hair
@@Roberto-tu5re You're definitely the guy at the New Year party constantly saying how lame it all is, but still hanging around cause you aint got shit else to do
Both the commonwealth and the CRM had industrial capacities. The commonweath had a chemcial industry for sure because they had plastic injection molding to produce the unique armor. If they can produce plastics then they can produce diesel. But it makes a huge contradiction because they didn't make greater use of vehicles like the CRM did. Both organizations had large populations and large armies. It would be interesting for you to pose the question as to why they never crossed paths. Negan did have reservations about using up his ammo reserves to clear the santuary which tells me that they were out there scavenging ammo. Same with gas but the problem with gas is that it will lose it properties and would need additives to make it viable again. So they would have to be able to do that in order to recycle old gas when found.
Because they got fuel that they needed off.
I feel like the saviors were never going to make it long term sure they had much manpower but a highly unstable political structure with tons of disatisfied rebelious subjects if they had enabled a more democratic/less top down form of government and then focused on actually producing stuff instead of just stealing the tribute of their subjects then maybe they could have been someonething bigger
It really doesn't matter
@@wikkanoThey could have lasted, but the fact is that relying on others to supply you by force is highly unstable. His mistake was not leaving people to monitor the people who supplied him constantly. So they were just left to do as they wanted freely unsupervised 😂
In fear the walking dead they had a group working an oil field in Texas I believe and they were using that for gas .. I forget which group but they had a bunch of people working it
I'm just some random middle class American and I got a thousand rounds of M855 5.56mm and 600 rounds of 9mil in long term storage, I imagine millions of others have more or less or the same as me. That would explain the abundance of ammo even after 12yrs.
Wait until you learn that most of them have primers that won't work after 5 years. They were made that way so stockpiling of ammo by civilians would be useless....
@gomahklawm4446 Thats not true and easily disprovable by anyone who still has ammo from 2020, like me. Primers also have no experation date, stop spreading fake news.
@gomahklawm4446 Thats easily disprovable by anyone with ammo from 2020, stop spreading fake news.
diesel can basically always be useful as a fuel source in some form even after it expires, although you don't want to use it in a vehicle after a few years but it'll work for things like oil lamps and fire torches
expired diesel basically works as a lower grade fuel oil and can be used in generators designed for that kinda stuff
diesel engines can happily run on used engine oil so old diesel is on the cards too
there are so many available fuels for diesel engines that it would take a very long time to exchaust them all as I doubt many people are thinking of taking stale fuel and engine oil from cars and trucks
My guess is a year or two max for all fuel so it's best to have old school manual tools and equipment on standby.
@@SNOUTxTOUT that was exactly what I was thinking. You only need older mechanical diesels (think Cummins 12v and early 24v) that will run on anything, no power needed (except maybe to start). It's easy enough to make fuel for those and with all those abandoned cars out there, they would be a great source of used oil to make black diesel. Diesel generators for power, diesel tractors for farming, diesel construction equipment for building etc. It's almost limitless potential to get things back up and running on a smaller scale.
like the oil refinery, you can use zombies as hamsters in a wheel for energy or other things , very smart.
people seem to forget the first 8 seasons take place within a 1-2 of the apocalypse its really not surprising
Judith and Carl really grew so much in just 2 years my man they grow too fast 🥲
@@Pokelogan366 Carl at the start of the series is 10 when he died he was 14
Without a fuel stabilizer, gasoline starts to degrade in 3-6 months. With a fuel stabilizer, gasoline starts to degrade after around 3 years. Diesel also has a shelf life of around 1 year, and is prone to growing algae due to water condensation in partially full tanks.
Ammunition is another issue. But, probably less of one than fuel. Keep in mind in the USA, there are well over 400 million firearms. if each weapon only has 10 rounds available for it that is 4 BILLION bullets. I would assume there is more than that available. Then there are the hobbyists who create their own ammunition. More than likely having not only the equipment to handcraft ammo, but detailed instructions as well. The issues then become gunpowder, primers, cases(which can be reused with the proper equipment) and the bullets themselves. It is relatively easy to cast lead bullets, but those are not suitable for high powered firearms, and would more than likely only be available for handguns after a certain amount of time. Crafting gunpowder again, isn't that difficult, but it wouldn't be modern smokeless powders.
Ultimately, I would expect firearms to start malfunctioning as the quality of the ammunition degrades over time with handmade ammo. Not enough pressure to operate the mechanisms, fouling from poor quality powder, not enough pressure for the bullet to exit the barrel due to fouling or lead build up, and a lot of weapons jamming.
This is all assuming I know anything about these subjects.
One thing that always bothered me was Daryl’s arrows! With a crossbow of that magnitude, you need a specific type of arrow. I’m an archer, albeit a compound bow, but the same idea applies. The faster or higher the draw weight of a bow, the arrow needs to be sturdier, less pliable. And the right length for the draw length. Daryl’s crossbow always had less than a dozen arrows at any given time, and yet he had an endless supply years later. Even if he re-collected them, and I mean ALL of them!! Some break after time, especially when used regularly. (I know, I’ve broken mine, after a few months of use. )
Making arrows for a crossbow… yeah, that’d be unrealistic. Not only would you need a REALLY strong wood or a way to reinforce it, you’d need precision tools to make it straight enough to be accurate.
Longbows/ recurve bows can shoot handmade arrows, again, not with the same accuracy, but can work, they may not last more than one or 2 shots if you’re shooting at 55+ lb draw weight.
I know, I’ve way overthought it! 😅 but like I said, as an archer, I’ve learned this stuff. It’s ingrained in my head. 😂
Tires - rubber degrades over time, even unused tires have a shelf life. 11 years into the end of the world, there wouldnt be any useable tires left. Thats whats bugged me the most.
Luckily they are only 4 years in for most of the show
Meh I’ve got 30 year old tires on a truck of mine. Some are troopers. Doesn’t mean they’re safe or in condition for good performance
thats just not true lol
the tyres would start to perish over time but they would still work and there are so many in storage that you would have spares for at least 30 years or so until they really are too far gone and you have to make something yourself
The tires don't just auto-distruct when they're over their shelf life man 😂
They just lose elasticity and flatten, basically expect worse grip and a bumpy ride but still very usable otherwise.
I actually appreciate your accent and vocabulary, it's proof that you're a living narrator and not an AI voice.
In America there’s 4 guns for every 1 person and just about enough ammo to match all it would take is someone saving casings and finding a home ammo press (a lot more commonly used then you think) and that’s not even mentioning arms factories
Daryl's spinoff explained fuel needs and ammo is easy to make Eugene proves that.
I can understand if people are not from American or people who aren’t into guns. There is so much ammo in private reserve. I’m an average working class man who is into guns. I have thousands of rounds of ammo for my guns and most average gun people will have the same that’s not including police departments military bases that have reserves. Also if ammo is stored properly it can last for kinda indefinitely. That’s not including making ammo black powder can be made pretty easy. What would run dry would be primers that’s what would be the hard part to make.
Judith serves to me as a reminder of how the timeline goes in TWD universe. I agree that the existence of more advanced communities like Commonwealth explain the abundance of some of the resource. Remember they interview the people joining the community on what they did as a job in the past so there's a chance for them to meet someone that knows how to create resources from scratch like Eugene
I love this kind of breakdown content!
Thank you!
It makes sense for the Commonwealth and CRM to have the capability to make fuel, but everyone else would have difficulty.
There a dozens of little Eugenes constantly making and scattering bullets around buildings, obviously.
There’s trillions of rounds within the North America, not just the US. there’s also tons of reloading equipment, particularly in more rural areas, sporting goods/gun stores. Lathes are also somewhat easy to find if you know where to look. The only real issue I see is mastering the chemistry for different mixes of smokeless powder, but even then once you get it, there’s not much need to experiment after that. Lead everywhere and relatively easy to cast into bullets. You can reuse clean brass a few times, trim and reshape for other calibers. Blanks are still deadly at point blank, though probably not the most worth it, but hey, I’m sure you can find uses for them. If they decide to hunt, they could use muzzle loaders to cut down on resource usage
Ammunition doesn't have much of a shelf life when stored in a dry area. Fuel on the other hand has a shelf life. Within a year, fuel composition begins separating. I went to the main sites forums and questioned why I was still seeing them driving new modern Chevy's that use fuel injectors and high efficiency fuel systems that won't run on ethanol. Older vehicles from early 80s and older someone can alter carburetors to function on more renewable fuels. It did not take long after I questioned they changed the vehicles from commercially donated modern vehicles to slightly more realistic automobiles. This is why fuel stabilizers are sold, primarily for stored fuel over winter months, because as I said, within 6 months, it begins to separate from combustibles and detergents among other chemical compounds. Siphoning fuel from fuel tanks of gas stations after 1.5-2 years makes the liquid extracted almost worthless for modern vehicles that are designed for ethanol based fuels today. Modern vehicles won't function well off fuels in the 70s and 80s. But those older vehicles WILL function moderately decently on modern fuels.
Plot armor and magic fuel.
They explained this informally. Individual cars people have run out of gas. So they have to get another car like shane did when his jeep ran out of gas. As for ammo. After a person uses what ammo they have they can look around on people, in abandoned stores as was done on the show for more. And once the ammo is fully gone they make ammo like Eugene.
In fear the walking dead they had a group ( I forget which one ) working a oil field extracting oil and using that for gas, so they definitely thought about this , just not so much in the regular twd I suppose
Cara, seu ingles ta fluindo bem demais! Eu reconheci pela voz haha, n tinha reparado que era o Rapaz do "A gente faz Agora" ate comecar a ouvir!
Great video - really enjoyed it. Your English is excellent.
I once read that the petrol that is already in cars and so on only lasts for 6 months or so, then it expires
I travelled for business and was away 6 months and came back to a working car with no issues. I did go and buy fuel cleaner to be safe. Gasoline doesn't spoil like milk. It just starts to break down into gasses and water. The water is what messes it up but you can buy a $30 funnel filter that will remove all the water from gas.
Your car's fuel tank actually has a small vent on the top just for the gasses to leave the tank. Fuel cleaners disperse the water throughout the gasoline so it gets burned off instead of collecting in the gasket.
I have cranked up and driven an old Volvo 245DL that sat for years with old fuel in its tank.Also with all the dead there should have been plenty of fuel stabilizer to aquire and use.
Fun motorcycle fact they actually wont run on pure ethanol in the US its a safety concern thing,. if you were to crash and puncture your tank there's no visible way to see ethanol flames so the engines are basically design to self destruct if it's used.
we use premium in our bikes and premium has a higher shelf life granted it's not four years but you could maybe get enough obtain boost out of mixing in some ethanol.
It doesn't seem that Darrell's life got much worse compared to his childhood. He might actually have more after the collapse. Now he has people who care about him and he also cares for them. You could make 6 figures each year and NEVER have that today.
Gasoline stays much more stable than people think it does. I've seen riding lawn mowers turn over with 20 year old gas in them. It loses octane, but it still works.
Up into the war in season 8, it was barely 3 years into the apocalypse, and during then, hardly ammo would hve been used. The show takes place mainly in Virginia. There is no shortage of ammo at least until season 9
Easy...find a Military base. Find an ammo factory.
After a few years, gasoline turns to Schlack. Or varnish. This is why the military adds chemicals to crate Mo-Gas to give it an extended lifespan. Vehicles that are to be stored have their oil and gas drained.
Fill a normal car with ethanol and you have a car that freezes up. You need to rebuild the engine to take a different fuel. Try to put deisel into an IC engine or gas into a diesel engine and see what happens.
Gasoline starts to degraged after half a year, a year depending.
The longer it "goes on", the less any usable gasoline would be around.
Highly unlikely you'd find a ton of gasoline with additives from preppers or something.
i loved, no dead batteries, no flat tires, no de cay
It took about 1 minute to find you can just buy Mr. Funnel Fuel Filter and it will separate the water from gasoline. Gasoline expires by the fuel breaking down into gases and water. But remaining fuel can be easily filtered out. It's $30 on Amazon guys.
Gasoline doesn't spoil like milk. It doesn't suddenly become unusable. My car sat idle for 6 months and it ran just fine. Some people will have sputtering as water gets into the gasket. This is fixed with a simple gasoline filter.
Yup. Truck sat idle for a couple years. Started and ran fine on the gas that sat in it.
many people in the comments literally have no idea what a car or engine is
Most people have no idea how many rounds of ammo are out there in the US civilian population.
i always just assumed there was people who knew how to make it, just making it the way they wouldve in the time before mass production machines.
Now THIS i was wondering about. Freah rubber for tires, ammo? Gasoline? The gasoline definitely expires eventually, and rubber dries out and rots
It would take decades for the supply of reasonably useful tyres to run out though. My spare is from 2004 and still looks fine - I wouldn't think twice about using it in a pinch. The show is only 13 years in at the end
Diesel engines will run on so many things survivors would not be hard pressed to find fuel. (engine oil, stale petrol, hydraulic fluid, any old oil, just diesel)
Too bad I haven’t see black powder gun in Walking Dead. It’s old and different kind of gunpowder for old types of guns like muzzleloaders, flintlocks, and percussion caps.
The kind of gunpowder is easy and relatively safe to make compared to modern nitrocellulose gunpowder. All you need is a few supplies from your local home improvement store in the gardening section.
One thing that doesn't make sense is how do they get clean water for years on end?
Daryl's original motorcycle was so badass...
Depending on the motorcycle it probably gets 50+ mpg and I assume they only drive a few miles at a time.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that they learned how to make ethanol,and we see Eugene making bullets.
It's the amount of these things that throws me off. They just don't have the resources to produce the amount of these things.
The Daryl Dixon spinoff addressed the issue by showing vehicles that were converted to (what I assume) is propane. Which, again, would be finite.
It's all about plot devices,and you have to forgive that for the sake of furthering the story.
The ammo, I have no explanation, other than they have people scavenging casings and finding powder, nonstop...
You can run a gasoline engine on alcohol. Just need a still and the proof to be at 180 or 90%abv. Then gap the spark plug a bit more. Diesel can run on engine oil so long as the doner vehicle doesn't have a bad head gasket.. filters might be another problem but there are ways around that. Ammo would be easy so long as you keep the shell and have a way to melt aluminum or lead
Fuel can be explained, if you can make moonshine you can make ethanol, ethanol is fuel. All you need are some stills available at any store that sells homebrew beer & wine kits. If you can make moonshine and ethanol you can also make disinfectant for cleaning wounds and even Kevin Spencer approved cough syrup, it'll get you buzzed too. Gas left in abandoned cars will be good for maybe a few months, gas stabilizers will keep it usable for up to a year, proper gas storage in a pressurized tank will keep it usable for three years tops then it's as useless as water.
Everyone says "There's millions of bullets in the US", but after 10 years those aren't going to be any good either, and it's not like it was all placed in storage on Day 1 of the outbreak, a lot of it was already in storage for years. You might find some military cold-storage ammo kept in freezer units running on nuclear power in government bunkers like the one under the White House, NORAD in Colorado or underground mining tunnels converted into storage like the ones in Day of the Dead, which was a real storage bunker, ammo kept frozen by a nuclear power source should last 90-100 years or up to 12-20 years after the power source shuts down, a nuclear plant could run up to 80 years without humans but could also meltdown at any time, Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island and Fukushima are what happens in that scenario. After that, unless you can make bullets yourself you're using sticks and stones, bows and arrows, spears and katanas etc.
The safety mechanisms in nuclear plants and reactors would make them automatically shut down once there's insufficient workers showing up. Note this isn't a melt down, it's just like turning off an engine to put it simply. They might even shut cores down due to insufficient demand and or to staff a remaining reactor before the automated systems take over. Chernobyl, 3 mile island and Fukushima wouldn't happen unless there's chicanery, incompetence, no safety systems, a natural disaster, significant damage to the infrastructure of the plant or a combination of those elements.
It's a fantasy show, not a documentary. They don't run out of fuel because the producers don't want to.
Probably the same reason rotten muscle tissue can still move a zombie around.to keep the series going
What about the primer and oil and oil filters for the cars
Every car on the road contains oil and oil filters
but really if your car breaks you could probably just take a new one?
There's awful lot of ammo in the USA. 1 huge issue is the lack of .22LR use in the show. This would be an ammo which characters could carry a large supply. If you're forced to make headshots a .22 is adequate. There should be hunting rifles & shotguns.
Battery to start the engine never dies too
The ammo is easily explained but gas breaks down and would be unusable after a couple years.
I have a pickup truck that has 20 gal. I dont drive it to work. 1 tank of gas lasts well over a month.
I can see in a survival situation, especially if you are making your own ethanol and limiting trips, you can make a tank of gas last 6 months.
My motorcycle gets about 60-70mpg. If I were to take the gas out of my truck and put it in my motorcycle, that would probably last a year.
People dont realize how much gas we spend ONLY to get to work.
Grow corn, make moonshine and you'll have all the fuel you need
The thing about fuel is that even if there is a good supply for years to come, eventually the fuel will deteriorate and will become useless so unless they somehow are able to make fuel it doesnt seem possible to me the other thing ive heard will work out dk to be certain tho, so take it with a grain of salt but for diesel engines is that u can run them on any sort of oil ive seen people use old engine oil as fuel for an old military truck, people using cooking oil as fuel and stuff but still all that will go bad eventually and unless they have a way to make more it will still run out
Edit: i commented at the start of the video so the narrator does mention expiration dates on fuel
Pretty simple for the ammunition.. The U.S. produces over 8.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition per year. If the zombie outbreak destroyed society in a matter of weeks, not much of the stockpile of probably something like 20 billion rounds would be fired. There is ammunition everywhere for various firearms. At current rates of consumption based on the TV show, probably 75% of the ammunition will corrode before getting fired.
I’d even make the argument that any sizable post-apocalyptic community in the Walking Dead universe would absolutely need to have a cobbler and a seamstress, who had knowledge of fabric weaving.
The reason why, is because I’ve always wondered how much off screen time the characters spend finding appropriate sized shoes, underwear and socks, that haven’t disintegrated while sitting on the dusty shelves of retail store fronts and rotting homes.
Anyone who runs or hikes a lot knows exactly what I’m talking about with shoe, underwear and sock products made in the 21st century.
In comparison making black powder ammo and low grade biofuel, both of which can be rationed, seems more likely than clothing and footwear
What really gets me is why no one in the United States after the zombie apocalypse is smart enough to look for shipping warehouses for groceries and goods. One of the first things I would do after sheltering in place would be to go find the Wal-Mart and Amazon warehouses. Also, no one is smart enough during the fall to download a bunch of survival books, or to go get survival and crafting books from book stores, libraries or similar places. Literally not one single survivor actually planned to survive, and in actual survival scenarios those people are the least likely to survive, but somehow they keep shambling from one easily avoided crisis to another because they are too lazy to look for the warehouse district or too stupid to learn from mistakes already made. Another big one is why not one single human being has figured out that human teeth are almost useless against good leather. A guy with a full body motorcycle uniform with integrated helmet and a couple of knives would be an immoral warrior of doom to most zombies.
And why it's always summer?
A group could supply itself with power relatively easily if they had the right people, sources of detailed knowledge and/or experience, time to devote to those projects, adequate obtainable resources and a good, stable longer term location.
Wind is pretty straightforward and a group should be able to get something like that set up anywhere pretty easily if the environment was good for that.
Solar panels are in a lot of places too. They can fail and degrade over time and won’t be replaceable anytime soon.
Steam power shouldn’t be that hard, but it can be dangerous. Especially on larger scales.
Get small scale, simple stuff up and running so you can get bigger stuff up and running.
Imagine being able to collect a bulldozer, excavator, etc…?
Within no time, if done correctly you could have an almost impenetrable compound.
The distilling process is known. As soon as they could grow corn the hilltop would be king. Motorcycle and manual carburators can be rejetted for alcohol.
Looked into the remanufacture of all those spent primers. Casting lead bullets. Then homemade powder. There might also be millions and millions of military rounds.
A key to the Zombie Genre is head hits versus trunk. Soldiers taught to shoot center of mass or about 1/8th the area for heads. The target small and moving.
Nothing a troop of boy scouts up in trees with a 22 and a brick of ammo could not handle!
(Premise: that ammo would be quickly exhausted with about a 1/100 succeed rate. Takes about a dozen rounds to bring down. Never seen crossbow bolts feathered with marijuana leaves before.
Your English is fine dude, keep up the great work. At least in the United States I know ammunition would be plentiful
They're two things that *are* possible, whether its most plausible and likely is debatable..But whats the fun in that. Their consistent stock of ammo and fuel is not something thats outright not possible, and does to not make sense.
Answer: Eugene
Honestly the supply of fuel and ammo in the US is not the problem for a 10-15 years later scenario where 90% of the population is dead. All the cars on the streets have fuel a lot of public stations would still have fuel, then you have stations specifically for city vehicles like police cars and garbage trucks, fuel transports that were abandoned, and actual fuel depots probably near a refinery. Same for ammo some stores will still have some in some places, police stations, pending the area a lot of houses will have a little some more than others obviously military bases and FOBs will likely have supplies, some of the random abandoned vehicles will have some that people grabbed before ditching town. For both resources its largely the same shit is everywhere. BUT. Is it where you need it when you need it. And finding the right type. Ammo would be the hardest because while it doesn't really do bad over time, at least not for a long time. Finding the type for the weapon you have might be an issue if your weapon uses a less common caliber. I'm not gonna jump for joy if I find an FN Five-Seven pistol or even the beloved FN P90 in the apoc. I love the pistol but 5.7mm ammo is not common and kinda expensive for people to stock pile. You most likely to find 5.56, .38 special, 7.62, .223, .308, 9mm, and of coarse a range of 12g shotgun shells. Then assuming you found a decent amount like a prepper that didn't make it home's bunker or something. If you don't have a vehicle or horse how are you gonna transport it. Ammo is not light. With fuel you only got 3 types, standard gasoline, diesel, and high ethanol content fuel which will eat hoses and lines on engines not designed for it. Also a none flex fuel engine will run like shit if at all give the wrong fuel even if the engine parts can handle the fuel trying to eat it. Some old military diesel engines can run on several different fuels with varying levels of performance from diesel, to kerosene, to jet fuel, to motor oil to fryer oil from fast food places. The problem with fuels though is they will pretty much all be junk after 10 years. Yes some older cars will still run on it but they will run like shit as the fuel has decayed and separated.
Obviously there's gasoline and bullet demons whose sole job is to travel the world and make sure every gas station tank is topped off and all the long-abandoned ammo stores still have ample provisions and no cola.
It's like the Candle Demon in Doom, whose sole job is to go around the maps when you're not looking and fill the rooms with candles to enhance the mood.
Helos man, they had fully working helos the whole time!
As far as realism goes, TWD is a story of survival horror. It's a story about surviving and finding family
Fule is close to infinite, when the majority of people not using it as well as bullets
Just about any vegetable matter can be used to make a mash and distill alcohol from it. Doesn’t need to be drinkable.
Your English sounds so good
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Actually its pretty simple ... Ammunition and fuel as they have a time of effectiveness... They are in abundance... And ammunition can be repaired... To be more precise i have done it using old ammo to make new and fuel there are thousand of thousand of gallons or liters of it in the us alone and the condition and expiration of fuel is kind of wide on date and time and Ethanol... Actually can be lit even 15 years after producing ... If you dont believe me just make some home made alcohol and save in cold and dark storage for some years and even after those years it would lit in burst like its made yesterday 😅
How the hell CRM helicopters didn't find Alexandria, Hilltop or the Commonwealth
You should ask more why they always have shiny, latest generation car
They did have access to bullet factory and also fuel wise make your own fuel and logic could also be different to the real world
Your English is awesome!
ALL TV shows and movies are set in alternative universe. The gasoline in the walking dead doesn't go bad as fast as in our universe.
Regarding the prevalence of ammo and guns, it is obvious because this is still America.
ethanol is simple, keep distilling moonshine and that's it. powder is much more complicated, you need chemical facilities, manufacturing process is complicated
What about Wendell Rabinowitz surviving the zombie apocalypse in a f'n wheel chair, but very able bodied healthy adults get taken out. Explain this one to me
They said in one episode they use corn for fuel. People don't pay attention 🥲
Ammo never runs out because you can always make more. My buddy has a bunch of reloading shit. Said he even uses coffee grounds as filler for his black powder reloads.
08:43 For a brief moment I thought it was Jim Carrey.
All of these are easy to explain...ammo and fuel are plentyful in the US, from stores and then all of the military bases located in those areas were the series takes place
Except gasoline does not last much more than a couple of years.
@StinkyGreenBud yeah but plenty of storage sites on the east coast
The fuel ran out. They started using horses.
The ammo never bothered me untill they somehow started running out? Its America theres more ammo than people here. As for the fuel they could be using ethanol which would work but is far less efficient than gasoline
great video
Short explanation: they mined off camera
why were cmp soldiers dressed like star wars stormtroopers
Motor bikes don't use that much fuel..
The tank is only a few gallons.
usa suply fuel for 200 million vehicles for couple weeks.
if have only people 10000 survive and decrease every day in usa fuel in storage it hard to find onthe road.
but in 5-10year you can get them from fuel container fuel factoty ship or from military base.