I am a 50+ quant developer; I have been to thousands of quant/tech interviews over the course of my career. My ratio of offers to job applications is still well under 2%. It is great to see such maturity, independence and practical thinking at such a young age.
Your brother seems like an individual who is very confident in his skill-set because of the level of adversity he's encountered. He seems battle-hardened at such a young age. It's commendable. Shout out to both of you for being amazing engineers and making the parents proud. I know both your parents watching right now are smiling that their sons are such intelligent individuals and are also good brothers to each other. Much love 🤎
Odel's journey from math competitions to landing a prestigious Quant role right out of college is a testament to the power of early discovery and pursuit of one’s strengths. His story highlights the importance of resilience and strategic career planning for young professionals. 🌟
Well this guy is better than me at almost every facet of life. He was blessed with a lot of opportunities but also took advantage of them. An inspiration for sure. Time to work!
I actually don't find value anymore in listening to gifted/ exceptional cases. Its borderline impossible to emulate the path they took to reach a good place in life. Nowadays, I appreciate content that helps or atleast gives hope to the average Joe.
If that's what you heard through all of this, you definitely missed the message. He had a supportive environment, him working hard since elementary for academics and mathematics, and developing strong educational and competitive skillets since a young age. "6 weeks of studying hard at 8th grade.", going to math camps, and nonstop hard work around others that challenged him to keep improving. I'm a teacher, and have had several students like him pass through and go to ivy leagues and see the immense amount of work, time, effort, and ideal environment they have around them to thrive. Gifted turns 22 hours into 18 hour grinds. You just don't see it and they are years of hard work ahead, while still outworking. He started 10 years ago and was rewarded now. It's never too late to start. Get grinding with a clear goal and get there, I've seen the most 'ungifted' people get there in regards to success. Which honestly I hate saying as 9/10 'ungiftedness' is a cop out.
You mentioned that your brother succeeded very much at such a young age and honestly that's amazing. As someone that peaked earlier in life as well (def not to Aadil's level), I would love to hear on a future episode how he plans to maintain the same drive without burning out. I noticed that that was my biggest issue especially now that I'm in my mid 20s.
I am, and still recruiter when this kid was in 8th grade in 2017 when he won his first math competition. Wow, and not as good of negotiator as this kid and make 60%-65% less than this kid when he got his first offer of $250,000. I am reevaluating my life .
Wow, I didn't know such an obsessive lifestyle was possible and that there are actually people doing it. Thank you Aman and Aadil, I feel more motivated and inspired. Now, I will refactor my lifestyle, environment and mindset about being obsessive.
23:00 Calculus isn't that complicated if you have a good teacher. Unfortunately, most kids in the US don't have access to the best education, and it also requires a lot of motivation to do Calculus because it's a big jump from Algebra.
He said calculus isn't complicated if you're smart, which is true regardless of the quality of your teacher. I think anyone who has taken calculus and earned a decent grade would agree that it isn't as complicated as it's hyped to be.
I am crying everyday because I was super smart in high school and college. really good at math and physic but didn't have a chance to get in the usa earlier. at the age of 25 , I won a program called DVLottery and was able to get in the usa by the age of 26. I started learning english and then started teaching myself programming and have been working as software engineer for 3 years now. I think I am still fine but I am already 32 years married plus one kid. Good luck to young kid
This was an amazing episode, I love how your down to earth your brother is! Do you have any advice for someone looking to be a quant, other than the obvious study hard, practice leetcode, apply to tons of jobs?
I feel I'm in the exact same spot, I have been breathing quant for the last year and I've gone through like 7 companies, of which I got to final interview at Optiver, IMC, Vivcourt and third round Jane Street but no offers
After dedicating two years to studying web development and completing my internship at YC company, finding a job has been a real struggle. And this dude is almost like a god to me. I feel super inspired by your story.
Nothing's worse than wasted talent. The amount of "gifted" kids who could have easily been put through a different mentorship and math camp in my public school system is insane.
Love this podcast it was super useful because im gunning for quant or SWE at an HFT. I also saw that you are a Madison alumni, Im an incoming CS major at Madison and its super inspiring to see your career progress.
Me when I AIME qualed in 10th grade and then was 1.5 pts off in 11th and 12th cuz of trolling( I showed up late in 11th and forgot to bubble some questions in 12th)
First of all, yall are impressive as heck! Secondly, I want to be on the same path of quant, but I heard college grades are really important and my grades are not the best (3.0 GPA). I'm at 60% of completion of my bachelors so I still have a bit of time to get my grades a little bit higher. But I reckon it's too late now. What's your opinion @AmanManazir ?
This video was a great find. Had a lot of similarities with you guys, as someone who first got jacked and then became a quantdev and is still trying to improve their life and career.
math competitions and summer camps at a young age? i call this sort of phenomenon extreme luck based on auspicious upbringing and environment. i, as someone who grew up in an intellectually and physically impoverished environment and made to Berkeley despite all that through sheer will and dedication, gain nothing useful from listening to this. good for him though.
Hi Aman. I am soo motivated to focus on my data Analytics journey. Do you have any interviews of people in data Analytics roles, their journeys and everything in between. Thank you
I've applied for over 1000 jobs (only 2 interviews = 0 job offer) I am a mechanical engineering (0 professional experience) what would u do in my shoe (too poor to have a pair)
can someone pls answer, I'm unable to comprehend how he even got an interview as a freshman for swe intern if he didn't start programming till after high school ?
This is actually depressing to watch for me. I grew up in a small country town in the south west of Australia. I once got invited to a math summer school (which I declined to hang out with my girlfriend) due to an exceptional score in the Australian National Maths competition (Top 0.03%, and 12 marks higher than my friend who also got top 0.03%). This was the extracuricular maths opportunity I have ever had. I know there may have been more opportunities in major cities in America, but the level of extracuricular activities available, even in Iowa, dwarfs anything that was available here even for the very best students. I ended up not pursing maths, and going back to it in my 30's. I still have some talent for it, but I wish that I'd had the kind of opportunities you talk about when my brain was more neuroplastic. Just thought i'd give you some context. It sounds to me like your glass of maths opportunities is well over half full.
He is not the all successful, all wise guy he is being portrayed as. Sure, he has accomplished a lot and will accomplish even more but i think he still needs a lot of learning to do, lifewise.
I get that he is highly intelligent and successful, but the comments about dismissive comments about John Deere, where many of his friend’s parents work as the big local employer, felt arrogant - people took a chance on hiring him as an inexperienced college student and the role prepared him for future jobs. Not much gratitude or respect there.
You would be surprised. When all the top trading firms are gunning for a very elite, accomplished, intelligent group of college students, they are willing to pay BIG BUCKS. I know people making roughly ~450 all in at top shops in their 1st or 2nd year. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
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I am a 50+ quant developer; I have been to thousands of quant/tech interviews over the course of my career. My ratio of offers to job applications is still well under 2%. It is great to see such maturity, independence and practical thinking at such a young age.
How much does quant developers get paid actually after 13-15 years.Do all retain in the field
@@Brodragon2225 Depends on the actual job itself. Personally, in private industry I know people who have cleared 5 mil GBP in a year (pre-tax).
this is so true
Your brother seems like an individual who is very confident in his skill-set because of the level of adversity he's encountered.
He seems battle-hardened at such a young age. It's commendable.
Shout out to both of you for being amazing engineers and making the parents proud.
I know both your parents watching right now are smiling that their sons are such intelligent individuals and are also good brothers to each other.
Much love 🤎
Love how humble bro is despite the fact that he’s ended up with a top 1-percentile outcome for CS grads.
Odel's journey from math competitions to landing a prestigious Quant role right out of college is a testament to the power of early discovery and pursuit of one’s strengths. His story highlights the importance of resilience and strategic career planning for young professionals. 🌟
Odell my goat, he a really good WR
aadil
thanks gpt
Your brother seems equally if not more driven than you :D All the best to you both. It was good meeting you this weekend!
Thanks! Nice to meet you as well Praveen
Well this guy is better than me at almost every facet of life. He was blessed with a lot of opportunities but also took advantage of them. An inspiration for sure. Time to work!
BROOOOOOO this is such a good podcast, interesting hearing your brothers story
chill
I actually don't find value anymore in listening to gifted/ exceptional cases. Its borderline impossible to emulate the path they took to reach a good place in life. Nowadays, I appreciate content that helps or atleast gives hope to the average Joe.
If that's what you heard through all of this, you definitely missed the message. He had a supportive environment, him working hard since elementary for academics and mathematics, and developing strong educational and competitive skillets since a young age. "6 weeks of studying hard at 8th grade.", going to math camps, and nonstop hard work around others that challenged him to keep improving.
I'm a teacher, and have had several students like him pass through and go to ivy leagues and see the immense amount of work, time, effort, and ideal environment they have around them to thrive. Gifted turns 22 hours into 18 hour grinds. You just don't see it and they are years of hard work ahead, while still outworking. He started 10 years ago and was rewarded now. It's never too late to start. Get grinding with a clear goal and get there, I've seen the most 'ungifted' people get there in regards to success. Which honestly I hate saying as 9/10 'ungiftedness' is a cop out.
I think you are selling the "everyman" short. Most greatness is a matter of perspiration, not inspiration.
@@umberto488what?
@positivefraud3012 greatness is hard and requires sweat equity.
you sound like a child
bro said my dad like yall dont have the same dad
Lmao yeah like we could’ve just said “our” the whole time
Insanely good podcast guys! Actually the first podcast I’ve listened to for MONTHS were I was engaged the entire time. Fantastic.
You mentioned that your brother succeeded very much at such a young age and honestly that's amazing. As someone that peaked earlier in life as well (def not to Aadil's level), I would love to hear on a future episode how he plans to maintain the same drive without burning out. I noticed that that was my biggest issue especially now that I'm in my mid 20s.
you hit youre prime once and you look 40 already so youre life is pretty much over rip bro
What’s your goal in life?
If I were you I would save all that money & move to a cheap country live the life
Absolutely love this and ur brother’s determination in the face of rejection it’s actually so inspiring
I am, and still recruiter when this kid was in 8th grade in 2017 when he won his first math competition. Wow, and not as good of negotiator as this kid and make 60%-65% less than this kid when he got his first offer of $250,000. I am reevaluating my life .
one of the funniest and most informative interviews on quants! tks for sharing
bros brother is gigachad
Absolutely
There’s so much good information to extract from this podcast. Truly gifted people, the hard work ethic is truly mind blowing.
Not going into quant, but this was a great motivation to go super all in for my consulting interview. Great video!
Not an easy interviewing experience either, good luck with that path
That's awesome, wish I had this with my brother. We are just so different it's hard to connect.
This was such a good podcast this needs to be a weekly thing between y’all
Wow, I didn't know such an obsessive lifestyle was possible and that there are actually people doing it. Thank you Aman and Aadil, I feel more motivated and inspired. Now, I will refactor my lifestyle, environment and mindset about being obsessive.
W blue lock pfp
so crazy I am from the quad cities too and just landed an internship at John Deere and I'm a freshman
Your bro looks like Gigachad. Awesome interview haha.
"I WAS SITTING AT CVS PICKING UP MY ACCUTANE!!" -Bruh I'm hollerin!😂😂
23:00 Calculus isn't that complicated if you have a good teacher. Unfortunately, most kids in the US don't have access to the best education, and it also requires a lot of motivation to do Calculus because it's a big jump from Algebra.
He said calculus isn't complicated if you're smart, which is true regardless of the quality of your teacher. I think anyone who has taken calculus and earned a decent grade would agree that it isn't as complicated as it's hyped to be.
this was great bring on your brother again
Your brother is quite impressive!
I am crying everyday because I was super smart in high school and college.
really good at math and physic but didn't have a chance to get in the usa earlier.
at the age of 25 , I won a program called DVLottery and was able to get in the usa by the age of 26.
I started learning english and then started teaching myself programming and have been working as software engineer for 3 years now.
I think I am still fine but I am already 32 years married plus one kid.
Good luck to young kid
What are you crying for then bro? If everything is going stable enough for you and your family then what's the problem?
probably not as successful as he wanted to be
Loved this video Aman, thank you for the insight!
This was an amazing episode, I love how your down to earth your brother is! Do you have any advice for someone looking to be a quant, other than the obvious study hard, practice leetcode, apply to tons of jobs?
This is very motivating, and an overall great video
I feel I'm in the exact same spot, I have been breathing quant for the last year and I've gone through like 7 companies, of which I got to final interview at Optiver, IMC, Vivcourt and third round Jane Street but no offers
Hey man do u have insta?
After dedicating two years to studying web development and completing my internship at YC company, finding a job has been a real struggle. And this dude is almost like a god to me. I feel super inspired by your story.
Nothing's worse than wasted talent. The amount of "gifted" kids who could have easily been put through a different mentorship and math camp in my public school system is insane.
Love this podcast it was super useful because im gunning for quant or SWE at an HFT. I also saw that you are a Madison alumni, Im an incoming CS major at Madison and its super inspiring to see your career progress.
Man, 10/10 podcast. I enjoyed every second of it
off topic bro but u look like the south asian version of charles from the brothers sun netflix series
You are both great, and a big inspiration to me
your bro is an impressive dude. Enjoyed the pod. Cheers
Me when I AIME qualed in 10th grade and then was 1.5 pts off in 11th and 12th cuz of trolling( I showed up late in 11th and forgot to bubble some questions in 12th)
4:35 "I knew that academically, I was the most qualified kid here right." What a sentence.
First of all, yall are impressive as heck! Secondly, I want to be on the same path of quant, but I heard college grades are really important and my grades are not the best (3.0 GPA). I'm at 60% of completion of my bachelors so I still have a bit of time to get my grades a little bit higher. But I reckon it's too late now. What's your opinion @AmanManazir ?
Gpa doesn't mean much just don't put in your resume if it's not stellar
Get a master's at a different school (top unvi) and make sure you do good.
@@mrman880that’s harder than just having a good gpa usually lol
quant quant quant quant. quant quant, quant quant quant!
😂
This was great to listen to. Glad to see Aadil is doing well!
Bros turned into Hamza Ahmed
They mostly don't recruit outside of Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, etc. Rich kids mentality
That’s crazy love the video
Aadil is my favorite looksmaxer, my sunshine
I agree with this statement
Aadil
This video was a great find. Had a lot of similarities with you guys, as someone who first got jacked and then became a quantdev and is still trying to improve their life and career.
damn i wanted to hear your brother sing lmao
What a great conversation! Seeing people my age who are put also have struggles of their own is inspiring.
likable guy
Loved this episode
I’m going to be the best Quant ever 🙏🏽
Motivation fr
I'm also 20yo majoring in cs and I just ate 7 mini cucumbers and pate for dinner
W family
I’m currently 22 years old and I’m really interested in EE and SWE but I feel like I’m kinda old to start studying now.
super inspirational
math competitions and summer camps at a young age? i call this sort of phenomenon extreme luck based on auspicious upbringing and environment. i, as someone who grew up in an intellectually and physically impoverished environment and made to Berkeley despite all that through sheer will and dedication, gain nothing useful from listening to this. good for him though.
Nice podcast
Hi Aman. I am soo motivated to focus on my data Analytics journey. Do you have any interviews of people in data Analytics roles, their journeys and everything in between. Thank you
Really inspirational
Damn brother is a academic weapon 😂
I've applied for over 1000 jobs (only 2 interviews = 0 job offer)
I am a mechanical engineering (0 professional experience)
what would u do in my shoe (too poor to have a pair)
Bro shot a podcast interviewing himself and thought we wouldn't notice.
I’m inspired
quant quant quant quant quant
I think you forgot the singing clip!
wow. I love money!
can someone pls answer, I'm unable to comprehend how he even got an interview as a freshman for swe intern if he didn't start programming till after high school ?
High key fire vid
This is actually depressing to watch for me. I grew up in a small country town in the south west of Australia. I once got invited to a math summer school (which I declined to hang out with my girlfriend) due to an exceptional score in the Australian National Maths competition (Top 0.03%, and 12 marks higher than my friend who also got top 0.03%). This was the extracuricular maths opportunity I have ever had. I know there may have been more opportunities in major cities in America, but the level of extracuricular activities available, even in Iowa, dwarfs anything that was available here even for the very best students. I ended up not pursing maths, and going back to it in my 30's. I still have some talent for it, but I wish that I'd had the kind of opportunities you talk about when my brain was more neuroplastic. Just thought i'd give you some context. It sounds to me like your glass of maths opportunities is well over half full.
the man bruh
I wanna know if he applied to Susquehanna in Philadelphia, I bombed the math test and want to know if you applied there.
lmao i'm originally from Iowa and my mom worked at John Deere this so funny
the man
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I'm 20 too
i bet it sucks to be an elder brother and to live under your baby brother's shadow.
bro how did you get the interviews
He is not the all successful, all wise guy he is being portrayed as. Sure, he has accomplished a lot and will accomplish even more but i think he still needs a lot of learning to do, lifewise.
He is 20, he is on the right track.
listen jeet, he makes 550k, some people never touch that
Dam I can see the envy literally dripping from this comment 😂
like if you were part of 8th grade mathcounts too
am i the only one who thinks both brothers look like they get 4 to 5 hours of sleep? and they says "they dont work hard enough"
I get that he is highly intelligent and successful, but the comments about dismissive comments about John Deere, where many of his friend’s parents work as the big local employer, felt arrogant - people took a chance on hiring him as an inexperienced college student and the role prepared him for future jobs. Not much gratitude or respect there.
first
0 chance this guy is making 500k as his first job at jump
You would be surprised. When all the top trading firms are gunning for a very elite, accomplished, intelligent group of college students, they are willing to pay BIG BUCKS.
I know people making roughly ~450 all in at top shops in their 1st or 2nd year. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
@@misinfluence yea but for every good hire they fire 5 people and lose millions
Where's the singing clip?! 🤣
as someone in their first year of university and looking at quant finance, this was really helpful.
Starts at 23
this was very well put together definitely glad i came across this video
Yeah your brothers math counts experience definitely helps for those OAs.
i think success runs in his family.😁
this interview a certified hood classic
1:19:42 might make me act up