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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2018
- Is it OK for a man to proposition a woman in the street or at work? Some leading French women say yes. In Paris, guest reporter Annabel Crabb asks what happens when #MeToo rubs up against Pepe Le Pew.
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Astonishingly at around 13;49 the young feminist claims she doesn't require niceties like having dinner paid for her (she makes her own money) or a door held open, because these are essentially small and useless acts and not things she needs. But, she's happy to accept a house from a man, because THAT is something she needs. It reminds me of a story about George Bernard Shaw, who once asked a beautiful woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars, to which she responded in the affirmative. When he repeated the question and dropped the offer to one dollar, she was shocked and enquired "What do you take me for, a prostitute?" His response? 'Madam, we have already established that: we are just haggling over the price".
There is, of course, a very simple and effective solution to this problem - have women go looking for men instead. I promise you there won't be any men complaining about "street harassment", free drinks, free meals or all the effort saved for at least a century ;)
wouldn't happen though
@@caitxoh Just wishful thinking I guess. Far too simple for postmodernist ideologues and protobureaucrats, and if it did happen - they'd have nothing left to complain about. Or maybe then men would just be having it too easy and we can't have that.
In such circumstances one can but embrace one's inner Machiavellian cynic, channel one's innate Sir Humphrey Appleby, so to speak.
@@233kosta human nature goes against it. one can only hope though
233kosta women don't need sex as much as men
@@AneesaHa Shouldn't be a problem, then.
It is very seldom that I talk to women I do not know,
I find it much easier to avoid such situations.
Peace of mind is priceless!
LuvJoyMuzik same here 👌
This presenter don't seem to understand the difference between approaching a stranger and asking phone number or offer a drink, AND, whistling, calling out, or touching a stranger. The first is totally polite and the latter is a different case.
This is why we need Islam that actually has a really good solution to this problem!
Yeah it's crazy metoo uses sexual assault, and harassment, interchangeably. I say lock the rapists up but don't put flirtation down as a crime.
I am a European woman who lived in the US. In the US I was told by men not to expect "good manners" from them. I enjoy when a man opens a door for me and treats me nicely. When I have a son I will instill such manners in him. It adds a bit of kindness in already stressful world we live in.
Do you open doors for men? Of course youd like that. Anyone likes when they have preferential treatment
@@jonmacdonald2193 How are you different from feminists? Women are weaker and more valuable in evolutionary terms, that's why they get preferential treatment.
It's not that women don't like to be approached by men. They just don't like to be approached by men they think are beneath their own sexual market value. Rather than take it as a compliment, they find it insulting. I vowed to myself to never be simping after a woman.
no. women don't like men who are annoying in their approach. it has nothing to do with the sexual market value because most women are not superficial. i see evidence of it all around me, you only see what you want to see through your warped lenses.
reject that vow, because it isn't going to do you any good. i too say things that i don't mean, in order to make people happy sometimes, not all the time. but it is necessary to please people in particular circumstances if we want to live in a society, or just have people around who care about us. even some women who prefer men to be truthful, sometimes want to be lied to in order to feel better about themselves, and that's because we all have are insecurities, our problems at work and so on, and we need reassurance. that's what we need in a partner: to know that he's there for us, and not just for sex.
@@magicalexchanges9441 Women are superficial to an extent. Look at current hook up culture where 80% of women chase after 20% of men. This is borne out in Tinder experiments. Women will swipe right to the biggest jerk on Tinder as long as he has the look. Did you know, before the advent of marriage, most men never bore offspring? Women couldn't care less about those annoying beta nice guys, they will wait to snag an alpha. But I don't want to portray them unfairly, human species females have evolved to select the best genetics for offspring (looks wise, maybe not intelligence).
I'm cool with the nature of things, but I vow to not approach women when it's pointless and I encourage other men to do the same. To be aware of women's nature, and save your dignity. Yes you may die a monk, but ironically, a man's self respect and damn care attitude might even win him the attention of a woman.
@@juicingfactor1463 How do you account for Lesbians and Women in relationships then?
@@juicingfactor1463 tinder to me feels like a videogame. you swipe right, you swipe left you have sex one day and then you go on with your personal life, and swipe left or right another day. On tinder you don't judge the personality, you judge the looks, because the first thing you see is the picture. Tinder is made to be superficial, so if you want a more accurated depiction of how women think when they meet a man face to face, you should use another dating site, or better yet, expand your current circle of friends.
I know how superficial people appear to be on socials. but that does not reflect reality: in real life women are an heterogeneous group, and not all of them value the looks over other aspects.
i am a woman who has other women as friends. i know how women think, that's why i can tell you that you got it wrong.
@@magicalexchanges9441 You may be a woman that knows other women, but it doesn't alter the numbers or the studies about the real behavior of women. Also look at the studies on women and slut-shaming. One thing is clear, women dissemble and LIE to women all the time in order to avoid social stigma, so I am highly skeptical when presented with anecdotal evidence of women's nature as observed by other women.
And I will reiterate, looks matter a lot, definitely more than any woman is willing to admit. Women have evolved to select breeding partners based on looks because it serves a biological purpose.
But maybe I've been a little hard on beta males. Society still needs them to participate in it in order to provide resources to women. So beta males might be pitiable but the self-aware ones are noble at the same time. It's the dumb betas, the ones with that "annoying" approach, that I wish would wake up.
Whatever your opinion on "sexual freedom", one thing should be clear, DON'T MESS WITH THE KIDS! Paedophilia is NEVER acceptable.
So what if I take a woman on a date, touch her knee and she likes it and we end up married two year's later? Was that sexual harassment? And what if I do the same and she says, please don't do that, I don't, and then tweets that I sexually harassed her and I lose my job?
Notice how the women who disagree with MeToo are given far less screen time. Unconscious bias?
jonglb Mork conscious bias my friend! This is the ABC!
An Australian discussing culture...surely an oxymoron. BTY, the age of consent in France is 15.
And by the way. I lived in Paris for several years as a young woman.
The only men who harassed me were „les Arabes“.
Girls: There’s a difference between a guy shouting „Ficki-Ficki or Baise moi“ and a charming approach of somebody who is able to speak in full sentences.
Sorry to be inconvenient, but it’s true!
You are racist, nothing more nothing less. I am not even Arab, but I need to call out your bigot behavior.
Babie Aryanne A I don’t mind being called racist. Because I know I’m not
People say that when they’re out of arguments or aren’t capable to discuss.
Maybe you can call me a sceptic of some cultures.
Here is the rule: If you are a creep, don't ever talk to or even look at women or you can now be destroyed. If you are a cool hunk, carry on as usual. I'm a creep and I've always known this. You know which you are too.
@Avinash Thakur by creep he means ugly, if you are ugly don't approach women just ignore all of them, otherwise you will find yourself in metoo situation.
@Take the red pill
All men are at risk. And the risk doesn't die until the man does.
METOO# sure helped the growing of MGTOW.
French women are being harassed alright but not by French men. Paris is about 10 years away from adopting sharia law. Its this kind of diversity that really helps communities grow....
and the feminists love islam hahaa, wait and see the leftists eat each other out, will be fun
@@carlamedina4232 None of the above. Non-muslim women are seen as dirty and women who don't wear the hijab are thought to be asking for it. In their world, its perfectly ok to do whatever you like with such a woman and there are no repercussions for the men. IF you were a feminist you would be disgusted with the culture. And another thing - if you believe that present day women should suffer because of the perceived sins of their forefathers, then you are sick and a racist.
Some people said Paris was about 5 years from adopting Sharia law... 10 years ago. The sky is not quite falling. There are cultural tensions, but exaggerating them is not helpful.
@@malk6277 The exact time line is less important than the trend. Diversity can only work if the cultures are complimentary to one another. Islam can't even compliment other versions of islam let alone a liberal democracy.
@@latebowl1 I agree, the trend is important but a trend is not conclusive evidence of the end destination: that's my point. I find it very doubtful Sharia law will be adopted in Paris, ever. The French people won't allow it. That's why it has not happened yet, and I'm not sure what you think is changing that might make the French ever let it happen?
I am also not as definitive as you are about the incompatibility of Islam: you yourself admit there is a plurality within Islam, and some aspects of that plurality can co-inhabit within another society far better than others. It is minority of elements within Muslim communities that pose a threat, or commit acts incompatible with life in France. As such, it makes no sense to try to condemn the entire religion as incompatible. Instead, you should be focusing on the problem areas. If you don't, and condemn the entire community, you are actually encouraging Muslim solidarity with those minority sections of Islam who are problematic. I think you can conceive of this.
Simple answer; ask women if they are uncomfortable having men approach them.
Then ask them how comfortable they would be if no man ever approached them and if they ever approached a man they were rejected 99% of the time.
That is what men live with. Unless they are rich of course.
wouldn't it be so much more simple if all men just simply and totally ignore all women, leave them to themselves, buying each other their own drinks and hanging out together single. Much cheaper for men.
And safer
AND-while you're at it-we stop HIRING women to work in our companies ,too.
let them create their OWN companies if they want gender quotas and then we shall see if they truly can market compete against all male companes
Hasnt that already happened?! They turned gay ... and then got married to each other? 😂😆😉😉
@@ragazzasolare77 yeah especially in politics!
When men evolve a consciousness whereupon they realize their own unique value and worth, external to the narrow often hypocritical standards of western women and the completely zero sum principles of feminists, he also recognizes the value and worth of other men, And instead of allowing feminists to define who and what we are. (Always with negative associations,) we define who we are based upon our own reasonable standards and values. Then men, will see an alternative to a world of zero sum principles, mindless sacrifice and disposability to a gender whose mainstream response is feminist derision and contempt. That alternate world is so much brighter, life affirming and a lot less stressful and therefore with less causal initial conditions generating undeserved guilt and depression. This is called MGTOW
I have had many women that are older tell me that they miss men looking at them and them miss men talking to them .. my opinion these women hit they wall and are now morning the fact they are now old and men are not interested in them any more
… and then they join dating sites...
Whats wrong with random compliments? Holy shit.
It’s a sad world when getting a compliment in the street is seen as bad, or insulting
If unlucky it can put you in jail too
"Our femininity gives us a sort of preferential treatment"
We need to teach our boys that women are not special and that they need to be careful with women as they are with men. Instead of teaching them stories of the white knights, we teach them stories of that women can just be as treacherous, micheavous and false as any other bad guy. Real equality is when women get more bad ‘guy’ roles in children’s stories.
Always be a gentleman and scholar and avoid women the best you can.
I have family all over France & go there all the time. I love the people, the food, the savoir vivre.
In my 20s I once sat in a café & a man just handed me a little delicate bouquet of flowers. He just wanted to tell me that I was beautiful. That was it!
He wanted me to enjoy my day and just see me smile. No asking for a telephone number or anything else.
I just loved that moment.
French men love to flirt though. It can be hard for them to take a no.
But I never felt uneasy.
But there are other cultures that still need to learn a lot.
In regards to sexual harassment, often If a woman finds the man attractive it is not sexual harassment, it is only harassment when attention comes from men the woman does not find attractive. Perhaps you should organise a panel of woman to give each man a regularly updated attractiveness score 0-10 and put it on our identity cards or car license, so that guys 6 and below know to always avoid women and seek either a celibate life or only the attentions of a sex worker or they can save an buy a sex robot. Perhaps this would be the end of most ordinary problems of sexual harassment. As a 6 and below man that even says hello to a strange women can be instantly punished by high voltage electric castration.
It is a gynocentric world. It is female centric, female oriented and female dominated where men have no rights at all. Time for men to organise and fight back.
They already did that on Tinder, and 80% of men were below average ! But women aren't shallow ? Men scored with a normal bell curve but to women they only liked the top 20%. Women are far more shallow.
@@thecontrarycontrarian4230 That's part of the problem. Men work more while women less and have time for all the protesting and organizing. Like the wage gap BS, when women work closer to 30 hours a week.
@@phoenixsmith4001 true
@@thecontrarycontrarian4230 That's a serious exaggeration. Men do have rights. There are just some areas where there are imbalances. Identify those areas and seek to rectify them, by all means, but hyperbole just antagonises people.
Just wear a burka...I'm sure France has a Burka shop in every city...
You couldn't be further from reality. Burkas and Niqabs are illegal in France.
@@Hodoss So your saying that you need the government to make the Muslims not do stuff in their culture...way to go government???
@@trilobyte3851 Just like "Western" culture is not homogeneous and has internal conflicts, the "Muslim" culture does too.
Muslims in France are mostly from "Maghreb" ie North Africa and part of the "Mediterranean Culture".
Burka is from Afghanistan and Niqab is from Saudi Arabia.
So Muslims from Maghreb, they don't necessarily see those things as good. In fact, many supported the decision of banning them. Which is why the law could be passed.
And that's also why ISIS got so angry with us, declared us their N°1 enemy, and attacked us so much.
The US and SA are pissed at the idea that Arabs and Europeans could have peace and collaboration around the Mediterranean Sea. It would make us too powerful. That's why it's the "divide and conquer" strategy, as usual.
It's geostrategy. If you refuse to understand that, you're just a NPC like many others.
Women get a lot less attention as they age. Nothing to worry about after 35 for most women, especially in australia.
The man who slapped the girl in the streets was an north african not a "french" what a surprise
The man convicted of punching the woman from the Independent Newspaper: "Reports in French media said the suspect, named as 25-year-old Firas M, had been receiving psychiatric treatment in hospital and was arrested as he left the facility in northern Paris." Further, "Marlène Schiappa, the French equalities minister said shortly afterwards: “It is not acceptable that in France, in 2018, women are hit in the street because they refuse to be insulted when they walk. It is a fundamental issue of liberty."
Obviously carrying a garbage bag, this apparently insane man with an Arabic name is being held aloft as representative of all French men and as a basis to demonize all men by this "news outlet". This vignette cements ABC as fake news. And France has slid to the bottom when not being hit by insane people is a "fundamental issue of liberty" by a French governmental minister. Freedom is threatened in the idiocracy we see around us.
Excellent observation.
Excellent
Yet the video insists on identifying the perp as a Frenchman.
Of course, not all men intend to harass a woman by approaching her in public, it's often a question of curiosity and finding someone outside of your regular social circle.
BUT if that truly is your intention as a man, at least be mindful of the woman's point of view: she most likely gets cat-called or followed by someone insistent in public on the regular, so yes don't be surprised if her response to you is annoyance and blatant rejection.
That said, if you truly do care about how a woman feels when you want to approach her, you should be willing to look into how you can find an acceptable balance between showing respect while taking the time out of someone else's life to see if they're open to date you.
Don't be that guy (whom I've had the displeasure of having to deal with) that starts following her or being verbally/physically abusive if she refuses advances, and know what social setting would be appropriate and not creepy to approach her (like be sure she's in an area full of people, that she's clearly not in a hurry to go anywhere, etc.)
Well that's my two-cents🤗
@HunOrwell I appreciate your reply and I am thankful that you agree that mutual respect, being a man or woman aside, is a must.
As for the point of view issue, I was not quite clear on why that did not sit well with you.
As an attempt to justify my words to you: I believe that trying to understand what others go through in life is a step forward in mutual respect, understanding and coexistence. This applies to both men, women or any sort of gender or non-gender identity you associate yourself with.
You brought up that men that feel less advantaged in any aspect of life (ex: appearances or economic status) feel more frustration and are disadvantaged in finding a partner. I am not quite clear on what that point comes to justify in relation to the topic of this video, but I am guessing that you mean to say that women should be less aggressive in their negative responses towards men who do try their best finding dates out in public despite being disadvantaged to some degree: of course, I agree with that. In that case, we sometimes have to be the better person out of a random social interaction, and move on.
I also agree that being rich or looking good shouldn't be the only thing a woman should look for in a man. However, finding someone who is sensible, compatible and sees beyond looks or money is a hard thing to do for everyone, but let's all just keep an open mind and do our best to keep our respect for our fellow peeps...
All right, I am out, this is going down a rabbit hole😅
Macron married his school teacher... ... ... Didn't mention that did we.
...and???? What's the point????
Oh Lilo... The fact that you have to ask says it all....
@@liloleist5133 That if male teacher married on of his female students the left would be foaming at the mouth with metoo and how that guy was abusing his position of power.
@Anonymous Panacea Well I do know executions were considered normal a few centuries ago. Do you know what happens when a .50 round hits a human forehead?
As a French, I think Feminism played a historical role in France, but it was rather Sex-Positive, whereas sadly in the US and the "Anglosphere" it tends to be Sex-Negative.
Yes as a French I would defend the "right to bother" of a man, but that's because I also want to defend the "right to bother" of a woman.
For a long time a woman would be shamed to take the initiative and express her female desire.
Now to shame men is only going to bring more toxicity. Men may accept they can't hit on a woman, but then they'll demand, to be fair, that a woman can't hit on a man either.
So it goes back to the idea that a woman can't take the initiative or she's a whore.
What is the secret of the "French Lover"? It's not that he's so good at sex. It's that he can seduce yet respect you. He still understands the concepts of privacy and intimacy.
We may have a little "accident" one night, and that's okay. I'm not so insecure that I need to boast about it. It's our secret, and see, it's even more romantic that way.
Teach me master
What a feminist report looks like.
It's not "gallantry", it's chauvinism, and I'd expect no more from the country that invented the word. Yes folks, Chauvin was a Frenchman. And you can see from the video that what people from other countries recognise as harrassment, French people see as "seduction" - that should tell you all you need to know about their skewed perception.
@my playlist shows why men are rejecting marriage If he is good looking basically. XD
Its only harrassment when women don't want it. If Brad Pitt or thor hit on them on the streets, im sure they would scream 'harassment'!!!!
What does Mee Too movement say about a woman propositioning a man. Is he a victim of sexual abuse?
Mgtow
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OMG how are people going to meet and find a partner, if they are not aloud to approach each other? As the french guys said: If someone says piss off, you just piss off :P
@rr rr What's the problem with just firmly saying "NO" _without getting "pissed off"?_
build me a house...? what are you bringing to the partnership so that a man would build you a house, to discuss freedoms without the discussion of responsibilities is point less
Well, would you try to keep that tradition, if it would benefit you a house ?
Why are we conflating holding doors open and asking out a woman with harassment? It's not that hard to figure out. "Not interested? Oh well. My loss but yours too. ;). Thanks for brightening my day for a moment. Have a wonderful day." Not that hard. I still have frequent friendly chats with a girl who said no to me. No touchie touchie. Don't be a psycho. As a matter of fact opening a door (for a man or woman) is a gesture of politeness. If you can do the same thing (be polite) the whole time you're good. And yes, I hold the door open for men. Ladies, here's a tip. Want to know if a guy is a good guy? Watch how he treats men and everyone else. If he is considerate to everyone all the time he's not just trying to get in your pants.
Yes!! I just see opening doors as a gesture of politeness, not seduction.
Good advice thanks
Why are they calling it pestered or harassed?? How is a man to know if a woman likes him or not if you cant speak or flirt with a woman?? Womens logic is I want to wear a short skirt and show my legs and ass off but how dare a man be attracted to me. And by the way the dude who punched the woman wasnt french he was a muslim immigrant so dont you dare compare western men to that pig, he sees you as meat because you are not muslim, most men in the west are polite and gentlemen. Little advice to the ladies, there are nice men out there but you prefer to go for bad guys instead
nextgenprepper
Trust me not all girls go for the bad boys. There are girls that appreciate a nice respectful guy.
@@msoda8516 Until they don't. Almost half the marriages end in divorce. 69% of divorces are initiated by women. For college educated women married to the presumably college educated nice guy, 90% of divorces are initiated by the woman. So you know what, I think girls hate the nice guy.
@@juicingfactor1463 Before you jump to that conclusion, did you find out the reasons why so many women are divorcing their spouses--did the "nice guy" change after marriage ? Was alcohol, drugs, womanizing a factor? I don't believe a rational, nice woman will divorce for no good reason. Don't give up yet. There may be a nice girl out there waiting for you
thats right bro. these wamen comparing every men with a small percentage of retarded men that cant control themself.
Go to church, heaps of girls looking for nice guys there. Seriously you won't believe how many friendly ladies will come up and talk to you in church.
why not teach people what to do, rather than what not to do, means there's less insentive to do the wrong thing
Good point
Feminists can only point problems, never solutions.
@@valken666 not really, that would be stubborn people who can never find solutions, it is not unique to feminists, or even typical to them all the time. The important part of getting rid stupidity is rising above blaming others, I've talked to women who said such despicable things as "men commit suicide more because they care less if someone found their body" , however getting annoyed does nothing to help the situation, feminists are people, MRAs are people, even rapists are people, we shouldn't bend to their wrong ways, but keeping above the name calling and staying rational and empathetic, and radiating that to others is how we get progress.
Whats this girl talking about? She dos'nt want men to behave like gentlemen and be attentive to their female escort, like ooening her door for her or helping her with her coat, she dismisses, but it, s cool if he builds her a house. I don't know how others feel, but if a women did'nt feel apreciated when I got the door for her, I for damb sure would'nt build her a house! Forget it! She can buikd her own!!!
Hmmm I don't get the logic when she says a guy can build a house for her but not open the door for her because she can do it herself... I'm a girl, if I want a house, I'll work and buy it myself.
Then just do it. 😶
She was being facetious. Some argue that movements like #metoo make it so that men will no longer be chivalrous in this way. Her point is that having someone open the door isn't important enough to justify the harassment that women face. And if the threats of men no longer opening doors turns into reality it won't matter because its not as if its something valuable, like a house.
There is no logic otherwise she may have given a third possibility - that she does something for the man. Ideas like that are Kryptonite to a feminist.
@@latebowl1 What does doing something for your significant other have to do with feminism? She mentions that she can pay for herself on dates, and he can pay for himself. That's an even playing field, which feminism is actually about.
@@CameronCourts She was saying that openning a door is nothing for her but perhaps a man would build her a house. There was no mention of what she brings to the table. And unless you've been living under a rock lately, you would recognise that feminism is no longer about equal rights - women have that - its about special treatment.
16:03 the guy is 100% correct but that woman needs to reject his point of view because of how this documentary is structured. Im sorry but if a normal girl minding her business is approached by a guy who tells her that he only wants her to know that she's great looking and gives her flowers then walks away, if that compliment doesnt make the woman slightly happy then there's something wrong with her...
My wife is approached by men on the street all the time and chatted up. She enjoys it and tells me about it whenever it happens- we laugh about it. I enjoy it also because I trust her and it flatters me that they find my wife attractive
So, you enjoy having dudes call your wife a slut and touch her ass. There are places for that.
Well, I'm old enough to remember the good times, and I was young then, I enjoyed life. It's really too bad these young people are all doing this to themselves. Well, anyway I had my fun, if you guy's want to mess up your's go ahead. PS, I would not take any advise from a young lady that has inked 70 % of her skin, but that's just me.
if you are older then why watch this crap to begin with (of course it is depressing but only getting worse). go build something in your backyard lol like my old neighbours hahaha.
Regarding the guy convicted of mere sexual assault as opposed to raped after having a consensual relationship with an 11 girl, Annette Young says:
"Women's groups have been pushing really harder for the age consent to be changed. Macon, when he came to power, promised that he would do this but at the very last minute, they walked back. As you can imagine, there was a great deal of anger among many women's group here in France and extreme disappointment that he didn't go through."
By the way, that's a lie, it was not a campaign promise. When the affair broke up, Macron proposed that an age of consent of 15 be enshrined in the law. By the way, the age of consent at 15 was always in the law, it's always been the understanding but the difference with other countries is the classification as a "rape". It's never been legal to have sex with anyone below 15.
What the privileged anglosphere feminist Annette Young failed to mention is that the law would have been unconstitutional so the government had no choice but to compromise. An elected government does not choose what constitution it wants. That's what a Constitutional Republic is. This is might news to the left wing authoritarians but a law can;t become law without being given the green light by the institutions that are the guardians of the constitution, in France, the Constitutional Council, the French equivalent of the supreme court. So what Annette Young is advocating for is for an unconstitutional law to be voted in parliament only to be stuck down by the Constitutional Council and the situation to remain unchanged. That's what happens when you get emotional people involved in a debate. Fact and reason don't matter, only emotions.
Credentials: No much, just a generally educated and well traveled Frenchman who sees the mix of American puritanism and radical feminism as a pretty nauseous mix. I'm glad the madness of MeToo hasn't invaded France and I pity that young generation of women infected by the worst of American culture. When it comes to the relationship between Men and Women, the two cultural imports I fear come from two countries: Saudi Arabia and the United States.
good news for the lady at 19:00. The wage gap doesn’t exist! yay!
Good point. The reason these types women get paid less is because they are too busy falsely accusing men of sexual harassment lol.
Was thinking that exact same thing
Why people still go on about is a mystery to me, just stop , it's not a thing any more and proven
Is it possible to have a sensible middle ground?
I don't think so, you're either offending someone or not doing enough for them. And this is coming from a woman.
@@eurekamreum5458 why is that important?
@@caitxoh Because 1.Somehow women should not express their despise against abusive women and 2.According to modern narrative a woman's word is to believed more than a man's.
Weren't you going to ask that woman why she signed the letter? that would be way more interesting than asking about French femininity...
So if all men's advances to women stop then my question is where and when as a man do you approach women then? Women don't approach men so what is the point?
Ultimately it ends with the end of society as we know it.
Dr Nerdlove has great RUclips videos on how to approach women. Check him out.
there are other places in the world besides the street and work. how about a club, a bar, a restaurant, online dating, etc? Why do y'all act like the world is gonna end if you don't harass women on the street who do not want to be bothered.
I wanted to be behind the MeToo movement, but when I started seeing social media posts using the hashtag, I decided to look into exactly what "metoo" meant. When I found a somewhat authoritative definition, I knew it would be trouble from the very beginning because it was essentially conflating sexual assault and sexual harassment. If one man's trash is another's treasure, then it could also be said that one woman's amorous advance is another's sexual harassment. And no matter how badly you're being pestered, it doesn't come close to being violently raped or coerced into sexual acts for fear of professional reprisal.
# is not hashtag, it's the pound sign. So what it's really saying is " pound me too".
Nice catch
Our Japanese friends are busy engineering "companions", a multi-billion $ industry is fledging. Princess Wannabe to become a cat lady, the problem soon solved.
That french girl has an american twang to her English.. no wander she's so triggered by men.
Australian journalists can be a little provincial and gormless at times.. Sophisticated ideas are to be mistrusted. Nobody in their right mind would say that rape or even persistent harassment is a good thing - in fact if you are a well balanced adult male then you would find behaviour like this repulsive, old fashioned and beyond the pail. But how far do we go. In America now growing numbers of men are avoiding women in the workplace (and some even socially) for fear of being called out for harassment that never happened. There has to be a balance. I have lived for almost twenty years equally between London and France. This gives me a unique insight into both societies - my conclusion - the French are just a little bit more grown up about all things relational. I love the daily interaction with the French. It's a society where an 18 year old women, at a party (for example) will chat and even lightly flirt with great animation with a 60 year old man. It's lovely to see. There is no expectation of anything happening it's just social maturity and the respect in French society for people of all ages and differences. So here's the reverse story - women doing a bit of flirting to make a conversation sparkle and to perhaps make an old guy feel special. This would never happen in Anglo-Saxon countries. It's a far less caring and cynical society, with a dash of good old fashioned puritanism. As a women once said to me at a party in London, before I could get past the introduction - "lets see the colour of your wallet first" It was passed off as a joke - but everyone new it wasn't. As the reporter said "How can they be so bold"
+Pixelwash
You obviously haven't "travelled the world", at all. Australia's population is a mere 25,000,000 (approximately). If you are in fact to travel around the world, you meet more Chinese and Indians more so than Australians.
PPS The two languages in the world with by far the most speakers are English and Mandarin Chinese, and roughly the same number speak each of those languages. Personally, given my cultural background as an Aussie, I think that China and India are struggling with resolving their cultural history with modern cultural reality (although I think their cultural history is really interesting, and valuable), the British, Europeans and the Americans are too Fascist, and the Chinese are too Communist/Corporate-State nightmare. The answer is somewhere in between and BETTER...
Does anyone know the name of the background music that comes at 27:49? I would like to get the copyright license.
i have my popcorn ready as France is destroyed by metoo
did you bring enough popcorn for the rest of us?
Mz. Feminist is “independent” but I am 100% sure she could not change the tiny little tire on her Renault Clio.
... let alone reconnect powerlines in a stormy night after cutting trees for hours in a row to only get to the spot needed ...
vous êtes un gars effronté
@@zenden6564 Mais il a raison, non?
@@manfredschmalbach9023 oh merde we
@@zenden6564 oh shit yeah! ... doesn't change a thing in him being on spot, does it?
I agree with what the letter said on American feminism being used as a mask of puritanism. One thing I noticed, and it's present in this video too, it (purposefully?) confuses sexual advance and sexual harassment. By definition, it only becomes harassment if one persists after being refused. This movement ignores that and tries to redefine any sexual initiative as "harassment".
See the puritanism?
By the same logic, I can define advertisement and any form of customer sollicitation as "Mercantile Harassment". Let's have that banned too and see how American and worldwide capitalists like it.
The only difference between sexual advance and harassment is how it's received. Naturally, there are clear examples of either, but the distinction between the two is a gray area. Obviously we can see how this would be a problem.
@@sciencecompliance235 I understand there's a subjective aspect but I disagree that it all boils down to subjectivity.
To build an example from a male perspective:
Let's say an older woman suddenly asks you for sex. That may be a shocking and displeasing experience for you. But still it doesn't qualify as harassment, it depends on how she reacts to your refusal. If she accepts your refusal and leaves you alone, then there is objectively no case to talk of harassment. If she insists, that's where it's getting into harassment territory. And yes of course, now comes the "gray area". It could be that as she insists, you come to realize that this older woman has her charm and in the end fall in love. Or it could be that as she insists it becomes even more displeasing.
But for the first event of her asking for sex, whether you liked it or not, it doesn't qualify as harassment, objectively.
Hodoss Well, if we're talking about first moves as not being classified as harassment, how about cat calls? This seems to be something women complain about (rightfully so in my opinion), but, technically, one couldn't know it would bother a woman until they do it. Some women actually do like the attention. Also, as you mentioned, someone could have a hard front that needs to be broken down before they will be receptive to advances (playing hard-to-get, for instance). You can't always be sure whether a woman is playing hard to get or legitimately isn't interested, and it can require being extremely persistent to know for sure. Funny thing is, this is a classic fiction trope.
@@sciencecompliance235 I'm also of the opinion that cat calls are in bad taste, but still, not harassment as a "first move".
Think of harassment in military strategy, the term doesn't qualify for a single attack, it's based on several attacks. Yet when it comes to sexuality, people seem to lose that logic.
As for "playing hard-to-get", it's generally a push-pull behaviour. So if you show signs of giving up and she tries to reel you back, there you have the distinction from really not being interested, where she would let you give up.
I think women who tend to "push-pull" often have low self-esteem. They want your attention or may even really like you, but are afraid that if they go all the way they will then be abandoned. Or in other words, they want the valorisation from being pursued but fear being seen through as not worth it if it gets serious.
In those cases, I'd say it's better to assume you were rejected even if it's a misunderstanding, as you are quite likely to waste your time or trap yourself in an unhealthy relationship.
She says women in France have to worry about how to dress, yet wears shorts. The comment about worrying about going into certain areas avoids discussing the flood of male immigrants into France.
do you get erection when people wear shorts?
@@karensmith1859 The better question is if I get an erection when a woman is naked. You forget that in certain cultures women are covered from head to toe and even cover their face. Then ask the question as to why women wear short skirts and low blouses at clubs. It is to sexually arouse a man...women crave attention...that's why they wear shorts. Deny them attention will sexually frustrate THEM. That is why at a club, always talk to the ugly girl of the group. The pretty one always tries to butt in. You can set your watch by that.
Karen Smith, even if so I don't think it's a problem as long as he's/she's keeping that to himself and don't harras people. I also think that wasn't his/her point. Although I would rather connect the "certain areas" more to poor districts than immigrants. I don't disagree that sometimes it's connected but not always and was that way even before. Those are the same areas in which you are more likely to be robbed or stabbed. And I'm not saying it should be like that, if that in some way is what anyone could understand from my comment.
@@obsoleteprofessor2034 boy, where did you get this cherry pickled facts from? your experience?
@@karensmith1859 When I would consensually put my fingers up their vagina in the club and find them all juicy wet. Which brings us back to your original question. Women get erections too, which is why in certain cultures, they are cut off.
They deliberately confuse sexual approach with violence at 7:38.
@JUST ME: Do you speak English?
Even as a man in America I consider what I am going to wear based on what people I may see, where I am going, and what time I will return home. I don't see the problem.
You probably also don't have to worry about being raped as a man in America
How about no gallant door opener and no drink and no means for women at all? and you go MGTOW
I'm more worried about the "cultural enrichment" causing danger for French women
@@freddymarcel-marcum6831 read the testymony from "paye ta schneck" and you will see its wrong. Check "paye ton gynéco" and you will see its wrong. Check "les mots tuent" and you will see its wrong.
Violence and sexual violence are not related to race, white collars and even medical proffessionals can be perpetrators.
@@Proutprutproutprout Il a raison hein
Regarde dans le reportage le gars qui gifle la femme dans la rue, un tunisien quelle surprise ahah
Sinon on peut comparer le statut des femmes dans le monde musulman et le nôtre aussi
Well, then how should we find a partner?
It's made up to find none.
The obvious lesbian in the video can't tell you that, she wants everyone to be like her. Liberation = isolation.
it's not harrassment if the guy is good looking
You don't mind being harassed by good looking guys? I mind and so do most women. I wish I was more like you.
A good looking guy becomes ugly with ugly behaviour
Isn’t it the same for men? A good looking woman hits on you٫ you may like it. But an ugly woman keeps hitting on you, you feel bad
Looks matter
The problem as I see it is that women don’t get hit on when they want it. They want to be able to control the times they are hit on. But I don’t see how that is possible.
13:48 doesn't want someone to open the door, do something like build a house for her. OMG seriously. If I don't talk to you on the street, how do I meet you? (not that I want to meet you). All social engagements now have to be structured through others first? How do they meet if no guys can talk to girls on the street? Must the girl be the only one allowed to speak to a guy first? Can't meet anyone at work, thats sexual harrasement.
i speak french as my first langiage i spent my childhood watching France Television but this mini documentary made me realize i still don't understand French culture.
anyone notice the subtle change of reference lately from "equality" to now "Equity"?? Putting in the same effort for the same result is equality, only the same reward without the effort is equity....interesting!
paul- equity is code for MARXISM- which is what's really been behind 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. unlike the early Women's Rights Movement , the new feminism is out to destroy masculinity in men while masculinizing women to replace men
@@bademoxy
Do you have any idea what Marxism is about ?
So I am not allowed to strike up a conversation with a woman I like? How am I supposed to start a relationship if I never take a chance and ask a woman out for fear of being punished. Women can you please answer that question for me? I ask it out of curiosity and not out of ignorance.
No critical thinking at all. Biased as hell. This is absolutely appalling! Disgusting waste of Australian Taxpayers money.
I love biology. It refutes feminism.
You don't know biology.
@@thewirah1 #youtoo (sarcasm)
Finally, no comments. Just going to laugh and laugh and laugh and.. .
Congratulations women of France for standing up to American Puritanism ! You are defending the sexual freedoms we all experience as humans and realize that we all make mistakes. You are correct these actions need to have a different vocabulary other than "sexual violence" so we do not dilute the true meaning of sexual violence...
Also thanks again for Celine Dion haha
Opening the door is a nice move, whether it's a woman or a man. As a woman I open doors for everyone. I really don't see the controversy in that.
Unfortunately women like you are not heard enough these days. #MeToo is not bad. It is just unconstrained. Everyones words are getting bolded, regardless of whether they make sense or not.
@@arians3713 In America, opening the door for someone isn't really gendered or considered flirtatious. It is simply what you do. A man opens the door for another man. A woman opens the door for a woman, etc. So this is not rare.
@@CameronCourts Yes. But there are still some women who for some reason get ofended by it.( As if they can't do it themselves) and these ones often shout while the sane ones stay silent. The door is just an example. There are many things.
Being attracted to other gender shouldnt be shame though…..
but it doesnt mean that just because man enjoys spending time in group of women or one woman……that he wants automatically be with her.
Its very healthy thing to enjoy social life
… because as scientists say over the years our brain developed that way, that when man is in same room with woman ,
his body releases the hormones…..even if he is not attracted to her….th ehormone realease is very healthy for our brain and body, the person doesnt need a medication because of having healthy social contact with humans and genders.
Its scientific fact about how man's body reacts even if there is noooo attraction….
Dear people wake up, and we shouldn't make people suffer scientific measurements say socialisation is healthy,
I am not talking about physical touching in wrong place and time.
Women on the other hand want to be liked,
its in their dna as well over the thousands of years of evolution of human brain……because humans developed through social interaction, and hormone realease, serotonin, oxytocin
but some may get serotonin melatonin, oxytocin release in different times than others.
but there are people who have empathy toward each other therefore when they like woman in the room
it doesn't mean they take it as an invitation automatically
because they also have their own life, and other hobbies etc
he may tell some woman nice to meet you and never meet her again.
because he has his own wife at home or girlfriend.
why we can not be civilised and understand the fact that men have hormonal release in brain even though if he is completely not attracted to her....she can be old, fat, and his brain releases hormones anyway as Professor Sam Vaknin says….. but people dont realise that the planet Earth is not 1000 years old but the human race and hormones developed hundreds and thousands of years.
The underlying truth behind metoo is that women are flattered when they are flirted upon IF (BIG IF) the guy is handsome or offers a path to higher social status through wealth or role in society (ie. less handsome airplane pilot is still attractive)
Rest of the guys should keep in their stables and this is kind of logical.
That guy said the magic word "MAGIC" you don't get any magic on a dating app..... I hope the romance remains and men and women can still feel good about it.
LOL, American women today consider showing your belly button to be disgusting, but the hijab to be a symbol of freedom...go figure.
I just stay single now.
I smell something fishy here
Why do they mention only the age of the victims and not the assaulters?
19:57 "There is no age of consent" - Art. 227-25 CP, age of consent is 15 years in France.
Would be nice if you knew what you are talking about.
Vu les recentes polemique sur des gamine de 11 ans "consentante" a des relations sexuelles avec des homme de 28 ans et plus, si il y a un vide juridique. A 15 ans tu peux consentir mais avant on sais pas en gros.
@@Proutprutproutprout Avant 15 ans, on sait que la personne majeure encours 7 ans de prison, même si un "consentement" a été exprimé.
=> "Age of consent" 15 ans.
Laissez pas trainer vos enfants. Les lois ne réparent pas les plaies.
@@TakeoFR Donc l'affaire se passe a pontoise, une gamine de 11 ans et un gars de 28 ans "couchent" ensemble. Requalification des fait en atteinte sexuelle car il n'y a pas usage de la violence. C'est 5 ans max, contre 20 ans pour un viol. Tiré du journal le Parisien.Si ça c'est pas un prolème..
@@Proutprutproutprout 5 ans à l'époque, 7 ans à présent.
C'est ce que j'ai déjà écrit dans mon premier message, il s'agit de l'article 227-25 CP que ABC News semble ignorer.
On peut vouloir une peine plus sévère, mais on ne peux pas prétendre qu'il n'y a pas de limite d'age en France.
I love when people show up to foreign countries and tell them how things should be. It is amazing how migrant culture (rape, forced marriage) is misconstrued as native French culture. These are issues that have migrated with populations from Muslims countries. Sorry
Wait! Nobody Is Hitting On Her The Host Of The Show. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Not understanding one's human nature to procreate is often the root of most people's actions. Perhaps if schools actually taught this instead of the liberal government driven agenda to create more government to protect us from ourselves, we would have fewer prisons, fewer single parent homes, less welfare, less of all the things negative to our species. In my younger days I was surprised at how many female partners I had that requested 'sexual play' that was close in many ways to their first sexual experiences, of which, rape or intense seduction was often a component, rough 'play', being chased in the woods ending in being captured and 'taken', requests to act like daddy's little girl, pushing to have an intense argument over something stupid ending in intense sex to make up, requests to be the 'knight in shinning amour who is rewarded after the rescue, alcohol or drug induced sexual desire. Now at 67, I understand much more than I did then and have wished my father had taught me something better than ,at ten, telling me that all females are whores and tramps. He could not see how he was a big part of that. All these things can easily lead to false accusations from a woman. Of course, there are men who prey upon women partly because they are driven by their nature to prove their maleness. They cannot see their own enslavement to their genetic nature. Sex and love is great, but without responsibility, it is a nightmare. I finally made the decision to go MGTOW at age 27 and never regretted it. I am now 67.
Careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
I think things get mixed up a bit at times. Once she says to the guys: "but don't you think women could be sick of constantly getting comments about how good or bad they look?" while that actually doesn't have to do with sexual harassment, it has to do with the press of appearance that women face. Same thing with the case of guys paying the lunch. That is kind of another problem and not sexual harassment. Even women contribute to these problems. Some women take advantage of these free thing, and some women put press on others about LOOKING GOOD. So should men be blamed for all this?
"if it's between two consenting adults, then I have no problem" same here lady but I do not appreciate being catcalled on the street and I'm absolutely mortified by the idea that it is okay for random men to "steal" a kiss for me. Being out in a public space and sharing that space with a man does not mean I'm consenting to him touching me or kissing me in any way that I do not want. Surely I am allowed to walk the streets unbothered am I not?
The solution is quite simple actually - swap roles. Have women do the catcalling and kiss stealing instead. I'm sure you won't meet many men who'd object to that solution and it is GUARANTEED to make "street harassment" a thing of the past.
Make the announcement once you get all the other women to agree with the plan. Until then - practice shouting profanity at unwanted advances. I'm sure it'd feel much better than "I'm not interested, go away."
Amazing how women feel men's unwanted flirting is the ultimate form of harassment but men being rejected by women is perfectly fine. This is how every man, in his teen, learns about sexual shame and humiliation and it follows you your whole life. Most overcome it and we learn that personal development is key being a successful man. This is what drive men to the top. But some don't: they're the incels of our society (oh only 10% to 20% of the entire male population). Once in a while, one off them snaps, takes a gun and kills a whole bunch of people in a crowded mall.
WOW! The lack of understanding of the opposite sex by women never ceases to amaze me!
MeToo was birthed out of buyers remorse.
We one of the women said she would chose her clothing to match the neighborhood she would have to go trough I immediately knew that it’s not the French lovers who harass most women
Well she said a bunch of things that people do anyway when deciding what to wear. Like checking the weather.
It sounds like her life is really boring and she is trying to create a narrative, some drama, a story, to spice up her life. I feel sorry for the guy who ends up dating or marrying her. Also the guy that smacked the woman, he could have done it for a thousand reasons. Maybe she was sexually harassing him.
Equal rights lefts and uppercuts.
Me too... me-too movement goes extreme sometimes cuz if you see a girl in the street and you like her and you think she could be the one and you start to talk to her what's the problem with that... talk to her in a respectful way and if she don't like you to keep it moving
Well, if interaction and understanding a stranger's move was only that easy in 10 seconds flat. It's more a case of 'Newton's Law', where there's a reaction to a action. One goes forward, the other backward (< >), but if all goes well, there's no drag involved, and both parties are in equilibrium. Wouldn't that be an idyllic world?
Heres a cheat code for you: Attractiveness is the key. A cute, tall guy can say whatever he wants. The unattractive guy gets accused of harassment, or even rape........
@@popsmokeandghost2416 .... my name here the same thing on Instagram so I don't care to hide my face.... that makes total sense... the only thing I can say is I try to be respectful with the words I say n my tone for them to not feel threatened or harassed
@@strawhat8458 My theory makes more sense to men.........
@@popsmokeandghost2416 ..... it's not a competition... I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing... I said I'm not scared to show my face because I am attractive .... but other factors do play a role as well like cleansing this n a person vibe n style
off-topic, what's the name of the song at the end?
@@deebeecooper8619 cheeky
Pepe Le Pew? I suppose now I finally understand French cultural mechanisms and gender relations as well as the meaning of in-depth. Thank you ABC... could not have done it without you.
FREE PEPE THE SKUNK!!!!
We need good old Pepe like never before - lmao
What is that music at the end of the video?
Elon musk just make them female androids already🙄
And males ones too so humans have to never bother each other ever again. It's for the better.
Marion Seclin is 100% about self promotion.
I’m glad I had my time when you didn’t need a freaking IPhone to approach a person
It’s getting out of control, the world isn’t getting any safer for anybody, by creating laws that can’t be applied, if a woman feels inappropriately approached, she also has the right to inappropriately reject the advances of that person ( especially in public) of course it always be a sick one like that one punching the lady in public, (by the way where are the French mans on this instance? No one react to this) in my opinion this has to do with the fact that no body interacts with nobody but they social media platforms ! It’s a sad world we are going to
The interviewer all a flutter at the possibility of an encounter with one of these Peppe Le Pews.
This one started off pleasant and was even romantic at times. Then ended in a much somber tone, the consequences, the language. This is an interesting topic, an inversion in the narrative makes it so tragic. The ending is so tragic #MeeToo.