Its like hearing someone say "everyone calls him a racist, but when he was in Africa, he smiled at a black man." Just a ridiculous way to justify nonsense.
Churchill had thousands of Indians fighting and dying for the British Army during WW2 but he still hated them as a people. Powell was exactly the same. Use them when you need them, then get rid of them.
This, "black people commit the most crime, therefore it must be caused by something inherent within them" argument is mind numbingly stupid, a real barometer for whether someone is able to critically engage with data or if they instead see correlation and immediately jump to causation 🤦
But if this is what you are brought up on it’s as normal as gravity. There are plenty of people alive today who were born in the time of empire when this thought was common sense
@@tonycowinhello tony do you honestly believe there’s someone that’s your superior in life ? What could possibly make one human being more superior than another human being ?
Sorry, Michael, but Enoch Powell was a racist. I say this due to hearing Powell speak on a documentary about him shortly after his death. He was asked flat out by the interviewer, "Are you a racist?" His response was clear, "Yes. I am a racist''. This is straight from the horses mouth.
@@solrosenberg4529That Jeremy Corbyn is a very scary man, isn't he? Have you seen how he attacked the government for taking limousines to parties, from the houses of Parliament in the 1980s?
@@solrosenberg4529no, Corbyn was Left…. Behind, or Left… in the Locker Room, or Left… to look for a party of out of touch, politically inept stubborn old fools. I like the last one best.
If you have to feel like you have to defend a politician's public image from 80 years ago, then what does that say about you? Your politics looks out of date.
But then English ppl face racism from the Scot’s daily. That includes reasonable English ppl who voted to remain , who are not racist , and are just on holiday being peaceable.
Michael and all of his ilk will try to justify their own beliefs with even the most obscure quote. "I've dug deep." Really? Keep digging that hole Michael.
I bet diamonds that "Mike" told Marina's assistant his name is Mike only to petulantly insist that Marina call him "Michael". Mike seems the sort of guy that could start a fight in an empty room, a pub bully who comes out with the most offensive nonsense to provoke others and start a fight; "Oi, you spilled my pint!"
@@BurningMad No thanks... I'm not moving to Angerland to get knifed by the natives. Have you seen Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's a career criminal right there, a mobster, acting like he's a gentleman, but he'd shiv you to buy a new top hat or something. There are people in prisons more decent than that guy.
What does "person of colour" mean if it doesn't just mean "non-white"? The only reason that they don't use "non-white" is because that would make it too obvious that they're defining themselves against whiteness.
@@Peter-ov6xh yeah, so what? It's in the context of a shared experience of being a visible racial minority. This call was in the context of saying some immigrants are good based on the colour of their skin and some are not on the same basis. They are not of the same value.
Powell had a fairly lukewarm attitude to immigration issues until the now infamous Smethwick by-election and a humiliating defeat in the Tory leadership campaign, where he came 4th with about a dozen votes. He also said that people who couldn't speak Latin were uncivillised which (and this is a guess) pretty much puts "Michael" / "Mike" in the frame
Not at all, because then he’d have a direct influence on the youth, and most likely the elitist youths that will later lead the country. He was a shameless white supremacist and we should deny his influence on society because of it.
There aren't any no-go areas in London. And years back it was football hooligan and fights in pubs all the time. And Jamaicans are more likely to be church-going Christians lol
@@tsaxondale2499there are countless no go areas in this country and nothing about them are English… and football/beer punch ups that’s in our blood it’s our culture, n many more around the word! Tell me who guts eachother on the streets of England 10times more than anyone else ? Who controls the Charley ? Who wants to be gangsters more than anyone else ? How many terrorist attacks have happened?
@@Saxon-Seax no there aren't. You can't name one no go area. Who controls the charley? Wasn't Tommy Robinson boasting about scoring bugle? Terror attacks? Less than in the days of the IRA I live and work in London, not been stabbed, nor has anyone I know.
@@tsaxondale2499my goodness and sausages like you wont realise until it’s right in your face. Yeah you’re right the streets of England are completely clean and safe nothing to worry about. 🤡
My goodness, ignorance is bliss. They just repeat the hate they read and they think they are reasonable. They are not reasonable they are plain and simple racists who know they are but try and jusify it by covering up their aggression.
Enoch Powell and General Carriappa were friends. However it must be noted that General Carriappa was an ardent Anglophile. So it’s no surprise they were friends. General Carriappa was Indian no doubt, but he was mostly fond of British lifestyle and culture
There's just no logic to racists is there? This racist was nice to an Indian in India (away from his home turf where he was safe) so he wasn't a racist despite all he did. Meanwhile "those black people" are now likely to be criminals because of their colour. Are there other factors like 1) how society treats them, their social and economic standing, how the police treat them, how the court system treats them, that might affect their behaviour? Well yes they're treated differently and we primarily look for crimes in their community, but white people don't commit crimes, despite all the proof to the contrary. Good grief. Probably thinks he's a Christian too. Lol
This is just another case of ignorance, WE do not teach people how to think. This ignorance is needed in order to further the agenda of the far right. Most voters do not see the slow and steady erosion of their rights and freedoms, mainly under successive Conservative governments. This has accelerated since 2019. Fortunately their attempt to remove all our rights under EU Law was partly stopped.
I don't get that "club" story? Enoch went into a club with an Indian, it was a white only Knights, so he left with the Indian…, Have I got that right? Did they not think that if Enoch was having an important discussion with that Indian, And the Indian wasn't allowed in, that he'd say "right screw off mate, I'm gonna party and we'll carry this discussion on later"? do the "mikes"of the world (totally deliberate) not think about these things? 🤦
Enoch Powell had a protege called Jeffrey Dona!dson, wonder what's been going on with him lately,?? Something about enjoying kids, but he's a bit old to be having them I thought
Enoch Powell's maiden speech in Parliament was to condemn the behaviour of the British Colonial authorities in Kenya. Specifically, he said that you cannot have one set of human rights for Africans in Africa, another for Indians in India and another for British people back home. This is a matter of record in Hansard. His so-called 'Rivers of Blood' which never actually referred to rivers of blood, is not really representative if his views when you look at his whole career.
She has made some interesting points elsewhere but shows herself to nothing more than the usual establishment mouthpiece. She plays the man here (both the caller and Powell) but the reality is that Powell was absolutely correct in his analysis. Ironically she is proof of it because voicing any kind of concern for the changing demographic and the loss of culture of this country is met by the ignorant 'racist' chant. Like anti-semite it has no meaning anymore and was always a tool to shut down debate.
Oh dear selective memory and selective history should be a or preschool subject because there are quite few people that are masters of it. If Indian people or black people didn’t reject him violently that’s kudos for them. As for English football fans aboard let’s just ignore that the image has to be cleaned up by banning certain people from traveling. Let’s ignore Mods, rockers and white nationalists violent groups. When doing this the there is no history of knife crime and there is no underlying or historic problem. Subjective lies helps subjective blame while having no interest in the subject matter.
I think Powell was far too intelligent to be reduced to a one-dimensional racist. I genuinely don’t believe he was an out-and-out racist, he discussed how he “loved” India and he learned Punjabi. Not exactly the behaviour of your average Nick Griffin or Paul Golding. That said, “Rivers of Blood” is a supremely ugly speech that few people have ever heard in it’s entirety, BBC had an actor voice Powell and read the entire speech for the 50th anniversary a number of years ago, it’s chilling in its viciousness. Powell was critical of immigration when it was 50,000 per year, today in the U.K. it’s about 10 times that. There was some truth in how different groups live separately in certain parts of the U.K., but my experience of multiculturalism in London has been overwhelmingly positive and I firmly believe Powell was wrong, but I also don’t think he was a knuckle-dragging racist either. A British elitist who couldn’t bear that Britain was no longer an Empire probably suits him better.
@@m.j.nicholls about the new Londonistan, about the invading MOCROmafia in Europe, about the millions of foreign parasites living off welfare in the West, about savages turning civilized european countries into cesspools. Even if he didn't used this modern expressions the meaning of his speech was the same. He was a prophet but nobody listened.
Most racists live in villages and towns where the entire population is 'white' British, I know I grew up in one of those towns. As soon as I moved to the city where the actual immigrants were, the racists magically disappeared. These racists are people who don't live where the immigrants are because they get ALL their information from brainwashing from the mainstream media. The truth is out there!!!
Enoch spoke the truth. What a big mess our once great country is in now. We are fast becoming the ethnic minority. I know that is the case because I live in such an area.
@@m.j.nicholls this is simply irrational. He has been vilified for expressing the concerns of his constituents and accurately predicting the result of mass immigration.
@Dibley8899oh the sour grapes are so obvious 🍇 Marina is highly intelligent and articulate it's plain for all to see and hear, you don't agree with her so the best you can do is to call her thick, quite pathetic.
Its like hearing someone say "everyone calls him a racist, but when he was in Africa, he smiled at a black man." Just a ridiculous way to justify nonsense.
He was happy that he was there and not Britain
@@DC-YTCAnd?
@Ryatt81 spot on
Basically that Michael individual doesn't have a life.
Or a clue.
Or a brain...
As a fellow person who doesn't have a life, we don't claim him
Yes, Michael, I'm sure Enoch Powell was a very nice guy to the people he liked, the people he needed and the people he wanted to use.
Churchill had thousands of Indians fighting and dying for the British Army during WW2 but he still hated them as a people. Powell was exactly the same. Use them when you need them, then get rid of them.
Churchill was the first person to advocate concentration camps, gassing German folks and was an all round evil human.
I think the Tories feel the same about the general UK population.
To be fair, that just seems to be a core principle of Conservatives. I can just see the new slogan: "I'm not racist, my secretary is black".
@Dibley8899 Irish and Bengal famines.
If you think they're subhuman that makes it easier to throw away their lives in war.
“Enoch Powell-a lot of people think he was a racist…” 😂😂😂
Moseley is being promoted now also..fascism is back..
@@CaptainDarrick fascists fail every time. Even your glorious leaders Musso and Adolf
And Mosley's new surname begins with F .
"Fascism is back"What an over dramatic statement lmao
This, "black people commit the most crime, therefore it must be caused by something inherent within them" argument is mind numbingly stupid, a real barometer for whether someone is able to critically engage with data or if they instead see correlation and immediately jump to causation 🤦
But if this is what you are brought up on it’s as normal as gravity. There are plenty of people alive today who were born in the time of empire when this thought was common sense
You're clearly not a scientist if you reason like that. Look at all the black controlled countries around the world and point to a success story.
So what then causes black people to commit crime?
So why do they commit so much more crime compared to other races?
Because someone is born here in the U.K. it doesn't give them the right to judge an immigrant and It doesn't make them a better citizen.
An accident of birth doesn't bestow superiority. Unless you're royal of course.
@@tonycowinhello tony do you honestly believe there’s someone that’s your superior in life ? What could possibly make one human being more superior than another human being ?
What do you think of the South African boers
Sorry, Michael, but Enoch Powell was a racist. I say this due to hearing Powell speak on a documentary about him shortly after his death. He was asked flat out by the interviewer, "Are you a racist?" His response was clear, "Yes. I am a racist''. This is straight from the horses mouth.
But he had a brown friend... Michael is an idiot.
Powell also believed that Indians were "intellectually superior" and could speak fluent Urdu
It couldn’t be more obvious really.
Yeah but he didn’t mean it. ( says half the internet including Mike.
Sorry.
Michael
@@Bromley68 I mean… Cool story bro, but what does it have to do with him being a racist? that he is not racist to all the colours? 🤦
Enoch was totally Right...............Wing !
Corbyn was left wing
@@solrosenberg4529That Jeremy Corbyn is a very scary man, isn't he? Have you seen how he attacked the government for taking limousines to parties, from the houses of Parliament in the 1980s?
@@solrosenberg4529no, Corbyn was Left…. Behind, or Left… in the Locker Room, or Left… to look for a party of out of touch, politically inept stubborn old fools.
I like the last one best.
I like how she kept calling him Mike
If you have to feel like you have to defend a politician's public image from 80 years ago, then what does that say about you?
Your politics looks out of date.
Some of his type even defend Churchill
"the whip hand". Didn't the Tories use that phrase in a recent election to talk about Scotland?
Are you another xenophobic Scottish nationalist?
Yes they were fear mongering about wee Nikki as they panicked
But then English ppl face racism from the Scot’s daily. That includes reasonable English ppl who voted to remain , who are not racist , and are just on holiday being peaceable.
Should the phrase now be retired? Ridiculous.
Michael and all of his ilk will try to justify their own beliefs with even the most obscure quote. "I've dug deep." Really? Keep digging that hole Michael.
Oh god, the Enoch Powell retcon is on, how far right will these tories go?
Smacks of "I'm not a racist. I know lots of black people."
Yh that old line
Michael was at the back of the queue when brains were handed out, unfortunately.
I bet diamonds that "Mike" told Marina's assistant his name is Mike only to petulantly insist that Marina call him "Michael". Mike seems the sort of guy that could start a fight in an empty room, a pub bully who comes out with the most offensive nonsense to provoke others and start a fight; "Oi, you spilled my pint!"
When you’re a racist you’re a racist.
She's such a legend.
Powell never got over the end of the British empire.
He wanted to be Viceroy of India!
i wonder which way he voted on brexit...
I have a good idea lol
And no prizes for guessing what way you voted.
It's telling how it was just "whites" and "non-whites" when he was describing London. That's literally as complex as he gets.
Clearly he doesn't have a problem with immigrants as long as they're the right colour. So let's bring in lots of Poles and Romanians!
@@BurningMad No thanks... I'm not moving to Angerland to get knifed by the natives. Have you seen Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's a career criminal right there, a mobster, acting like he's a gentleman, but he'd shiv you to buy a new top hat or something. There are people in prisons more decent than that guy.
What does "person of colour" mean if it doesn't just mean "non-white"? The only reason that they don't use "non-white" is because that would make it too obvious that they're defining themselves against whiteness.
@@Peter-ov6xh yeah, so what? It's in the context of a shared experience of being a visible racial minority. This call was in the context of saying some immigrants are good based on the colour of their skin and some are not on the same basis. They are not of the same value.
Powell had a fairly lukewarm attitude to immigration issues until the now infamous Smethwick by-election and a humiliating defeat in the Tory leadership campaign, where he came 4th with about a dozen votes. He also said that people who couldn't speak Latin were uncivillised which (and this is a guess) pretty much puts "Michael" / "Mike" in the frame
Jeffery Donaldson from DUP our northern ireland politician was Enoch Powell's protege.
No doubt Powell was a great academic, he should of put that to good use rather than use it for hatred and division.
Not at all, because then he’d have a direct influence on the youth, and most likely the elitist youths that will later lead the country. He was a shameless white supremacist and we should deny his influence on society because of it.
There aren't any no-go areas in London. And years back it was football hooligan and fights in pubs all the time. And Jamaicans are more likely to be church-going Christians lol
@tsaxondale2499 what on earth are you smoking
@@Saxon-Seax which bit of what I said is wrong?
@@tsaxondale2499there are countless no go areas in this country and nothing about them are English… and football/beer punch ups that’s in our blood it’s our culture, n many more around the word! Tell me who guts eachother on the streets of England 10times more than anyone else ? Who controls the Charley ? Who wants to be gangsters more than anyone else ? How many terrorist attacks have happened?
@@Saxon-Seax no there aren't. You can't name one no go area.
Who controls the charley? Wasn't Tommy Robinson boasting about scoring bugle?
Terror attacks? Less than in the days of the IRA
I live and work in London, not been stabbed, nor has anyone I know.
@@tsaxondale2499my goodness and sausages like you wont realise until it’s right in your face. Yeah you’re right the streets of England are completely clean and safe nothing to worry about. 🤡
A lot of people oddly suppose that Mr Hitler was a bit Right Wing ! 🤔
A Daily Mail reading council estate rat, I love the way the second calling kept calling him 'Mike' that he clearly took offence to the little petal
It's amazing how easy liberals will be classist and be so quick to pounce on any other ist or ism
She spot on has normal
My goodness, ignorance is bliss. They just repeat the hate they read and they think they are reasonable. They are not reasonable they are plain and simple racists who know they are but try and jusify it by covering up their aggression.
Enoch Powell and General Carriappa were friends. However it must be noted that General Carriappa was an ardent Anglophile. So it’s no surprise they were friends. General Carriappa was Indian no doubt, but he was mostly fond of British lifestyle and culture
There's just no logic to racists is there?
This racist was nice to an Indian in India (away from his home turf where he was safe) so he wasn't a racist despite all he did.
Meanwhile "those black people" are now likely to be criminals because of their colour. Are there other factors like 1) how society treats them, their social and economic standing, how the police treat them, how the court system treats them, that might affect their behaviour? Well yes they're treated differently and we primarily look for crimes in their community, but white people don't commit crimes, despite all the proof to the contrary. Good grief.
Probably thinks he's a Christian too. Lol
The misunderstanding of the rivers of blood speech by the whole population is one of the most humorous aspects of modern life.
This is just another case of ignorance, WE do not teach people how to think. This ignorance is needed in order to further the agenda of the far right. Most voters do not see the slow and steady erosion of their rights and freedoms, mainly under successive Conservative governments. This has accelerated since 2019. Fortunately their attempt to remove all our rights under EU Law was partly stopped.
Voice sounds like that archetypical British politician Mark Gino Francois
The Black (or Brown) man does have the whip hand now and it turns out, it's not about colour, it's about wealth, privilege and class.
The spirit of Powellism is one of the unbroken lines of causation that can be traced right through to brexit.
This kind of 💩is why I get Ubers rather than black cabs nowadays.
Is that Colin from Portsmouth?
I think it's his boyfriend 😂
Think it's Colin's brother. Love to the family Andrew. 😂
BADenochPOWELL
One word for this guy RACIST and he can't see it.
I don't get that "club" story? Enoch went into a club with an Indian, it was a white only Knights, so he left with the Indian…, Have I got that right? Did they not think that if Enoch was having an important discussion with that Indian, And the Indian wasn't allowed in, that he'd say "right screw off mate, I'm gonna party and we'll carry this discussion on later"? do the "mikes"of the world (totally deliberate) not think about these things? 🤦
On this guys school report I bet it said "doesn't mix well with others"
OMG!!!!!
Enoch Powell had a protege called Jeffrey Dona!dson, wonder what's been going on with him lately,?? Something about enjoying kids, but he's a bit old to be having them I thought
😂 "If you dig deep...[you can find _something_ to hang onto that can in my mind justify his views]"
DINGHY DIVERS LOVER END OFF
Marina is a national treasure.
Enoch, bad => Badenoch.
Why do these people always sound the same?
This woman would be good at putting big mouth Nigel
lol the Indian people loved him ? Just like Churchill 😂 , give me a break ! Would you look up your history ffs 🤦♂️
Enoch Powell's maiden speech in Parliament was to condemn the behaviour of the British Colonial authorities in Kenya. Specifically, he said that you cannot have one set of human rights for Africans in Africa, another for Indians in India and another for British people back home. This is a matter of record in Hansard. His so-called 'Rivers of Blood' which never actually referred to rivers of blood, is not really representative if his views when you look at his whole career.
She has made some interesting points elsewhere but shows herself to nothing more than the usual establishment mouthpiece.
She plays the man here (both the caller and Powell) but the reality is that Powell was absolutely correct in his analysis.
Ironically she is proof of it because voicing any kind of concern for the changing demographic and the loss of culture of this country is met by the ignorant 'racist' chant. Like anti-semite it has no meaning anymore and was always a tool to shut down debate.
I’m not racist I had a friend from India
Will admit the caller did lose the argument
But the interviewer was full of shit and lied multiple times
He sounds like derek and clive basicklly
London is a horrible place now. Have a visit and see for yourself !
Oh dear selective memory and selective history should be a or preschool subject because there are quite few people that are masters of it. If Indian people or black people didn’t reject him violently that’s kudos for them. As for English football fans aboard let’s just ignore that the image has to be cleaned up by banning certain people from traveling. Let’s ignore Mods, rockers and white nationalists violent groups. When doing this the there is no history of knife crime and there is no underlying or historic problem. Subjective lies helps subjective blame while having no interest in the subject matter.
I think Powell was far too intelligent to be reduced to a one-dimensional racist. I genuinely don’t believe he was an out-and-out racist, he discussed how he “loved” India and he learned Punjabi. Not exactly the behaviour of your average Nick Griffin or Paul Golding.
That said, “Rivers of Blood” is a supremely ugly speech that few people have ever heard in it’s entirety, BBC had an actor voice Powell and read the entire speech for the 50th anniversary a number of years ago, it’s chilling in its viciousness.
Powell was critical of immigration when it was 50,000 per year, today in the U.K. it’s about 10 times that. There was some truth in how different groups live separately in certain parts of the U.K., but my experience of multiculturalism in London has been overwhelmingly positive and I firmly believe Powell was wrong, but I also don’t think he was a knuckle-dragging racist either. A British elitist who couldn’t bear that Britain was no longer an Empire probably suits him better.
Powell was a good man
I heard he was kind to animals
@@m.j.nichollshuh
Enoch was right
About? Be specific.
About restoring "free" market economics to compensate for the loss of empire? About being attracted to young boys? About what?
@@m.j.nicholls about the new Londonistan, about the invading MOCROmafia in Europe, about the millions of foreign parasites living off welfare in the West, about savages turning civilized european countries into cesspools.
Even if he didn't used this modern expressions the meaning of his speech was the same. He was a prophet but nobody listened.
Peopole should have at least 1 gcse before calling
Or one brain cell 👍
The tide is turning, and it’s turning quickly
I would like to know what area she lives in.
I bet it's not ghetto
Most racists live in villages and towns where the entire population is 'white' British, I know I grew up in one of those towns. As soon as I moved to the city where the actual immigrants were, the racists magically disappeared. These racists are people who don't live where the immigrants are because they get ALL their information from brainwashing from the mainstream media. The truth is out there!!!
This host would get destroyed with any intellectual.
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Enoch spoke the truth. What a big mess our once great country is in now. We are fast becoming the ethnic minority. I know that is the case because I live in such an area.
You think the black man has the whip hand over the white man?
He was a racist and very wrong, William
Why don't you just move then?
As it happens the vast majority of the UK doesn't have anyone of "colour" living in it, you're full of crap.
So 40 years of "free" market Thatcherism has nothing to do with it, then?
Our "once great country"? When was it great?
Der engerlish culture is der best in der werld 😂
The interviewer is making up nonsense. She has no basis for her assertions. The caller has facts.
He was once polite to some brown people, so all the racist rhetoric he preached can't be racist? Some facts there, sweetheart.
@@m.j.nicholls this is simply irrational. He has been vilified for expressing the concerns of his constituents and accurately predicting the result of mass immigration.
@m.j.nicholls
"Sweatheart" doesn't do you any favours.
Enoch Powell was right….
@Englishman4412
Yes he was: a right wing bigot.
@@ianstrange5674oh give your head a wobble Ian….
He was right all along,you just need to look at the state of the uk
powell was too tame. you gotta go full mosley.
She is gorgeous
@Dibley8899you must be one of those idiots, that voted to make your country😂😂😂😂😂 poorer
@Dibley8899 Is that you Michael?
@Dibley8899A degree isn't education now? She's also obviously well-read on the politics she comments on.
@Dibley8899oh the sour grapes are so obvious 🍇 Marina is highly intelligent and articulate it's plain for all to see and hear, you don't agree with her so the best you can do is to call her thick, quite pathetic.
@Dibley8899Says Dumbo!
"I can't be racist because I once smiled at a black person instead of kicking them in the face."