It has come to my attention that FLSun has some shady business practices. Watch this to learn more: ruclips.net/video/KOrQUSbFBGE/видео.htmlsi=EM6dfDVRPTOlCGpN For my full no-holds-barred honest review of the S1 see here: ruclips.net/video/uFy7U_DfxgA/видео.htmlsi=A-OD2CAjWLmjtzSK
Thanks for watching! This is just part one of my coverage of the S1. I'm already deep into my testing and will plan to release a more comprehensive overview soon. Initial impressions are as follows: 1. It's LOUD - It sounds like a vacuum cleaner when running. I think this will be the first thing you want to upgrade. The small CPAP fan gives a high pitch whine. I think that a larger fan would run quieter. Don't expect to use this in your house. You might even hear it through the wall if it's in the garage. 2. It's FAST - Maybe too fast. The printer seems to be able to achieve the advertised numbers but the speeds aren't usable with standard filaments. High speed PLA is the only filament I've tested so far that can take advantage of the speeds and flow rates. For all standard filaments, you won't come close to printing that fast. 3. It's feature rich - Lots of value added features: LIDAR for first layer inspection, automatic flow calibration, remote monitoring with AI failure detection, zone heating (segmented heat bed), clog detection, strain gauge in spool holder to measure remaining filament, actively heated filament chamber, ... 4. It's got Bambu level ease of use with the configurability of a Voron, thanks to the use of standard Klipper firmware. 5. No AMS - No multi-colour capabilities OOTB and a retrofit seems unlikely due to the current filament path and spool holder arrangement.
A lot of those speeds on the screen seems like requested speeds instead of the real speed. FlSun modified klipper in pervious instances to do that and mislead the users. Also they modified thermal runaway so please test that too!
@@berlinberlin4246 I haven’t noticed an Ethernet port so I think not. It has WiFi. I have a dual band router so not sure which network it connected to. I would have to double check. Most printers seem to use 2.4GHz.
This looks awesome. I think however it's not going to blow the bambu out of the water. The next crucial step for 3d printers are heated and temp controlled enclosures capable of at least 80C for industrial strength and quality ABS/ASA prints. That would definitely make me throw my money at it.
This actually looks like a great candidate to put a chamber heater in. I can't tell if the stepper motors are in the top, but you could simply turn the machine upside down. I think a heated chamber without multiple tool heads or an AMS type system is a waste. I have a QIDI x plus that can reach 75c, but the layer adhesion on parts is so good that removing supports takes forever. To beat bambu would require a sub $1500 printer with an 85c chamber and preferably IDEX.
@@AnnikaFPV There is no need to protect motors. Just replace them with high temp motors, they are not expensive and available everywhere now. They can take up to 180C long term so a chamber temp of up to 140C should be no problem. The belts are the first thing to go and they are usually rated to 90C but there are belts rated higher as well. You also need very god hotend cooling or possibly water cooling and it already has CPAP so that's great. Prinitng ABS in an 80C chamber needs way more parts cooling than even PLA.
Despite the fact that it does not have a heated build chamber (like my Qidi X-Max 3), the FLSun S1 may very well be my next printer. I have a couple of old AnyCubic deltas that have served me well, and I always wondered if the delta printer motion design was theoretically capable of faster speeds than the core-xy motion design that is so popular today. If nothing else, the delta motion design seems much simpler to me than the core-xy design. I am very much looking forward to seeing more videos about the S1 printer. I am especially impressed with the build volume of this beast!
Having owned a lot of different 3d printers, a well built delta will 100% be able to reach faster speeds with better quality. The main issue in the beginning were ease of calibration, needed tight tolerances in build, and 32bit control boards. the calibration and control boards have been solved for a while. so as long as they build these well, should be a beast. only beaten out by the magneto x with its linear motors.
My brother in Christ what do you mean delta is simpler in design than a CoreXY, it's literally two belts in the shape of an L and you've done your CoreXY routing
What's the company support like over the last few years? Do they still make parts, firmware updates, etc. for their printers years after they came out?
I have the FLSun V400. I can access it via my PC and send it files wirelessly. Connect the printer to wifi and enter its IP adress in your browser. Only personal downside of Delta printing is that supports often fail, especially the skinny zig zag ones. Tree supports are my go to. Also different artifacts can appear based on where you print it on the plate (3 belts to calibrate). The build volume is a cone at the very top, because of the range of motion. Only downside of FLSun is that I have to rely on the community for software, printer profiles, help etc. As my first printer I had to figure a lot of things out on my own.
Every other printer let's us send files wirelessly too lol bambu studio even has a wifi send button to send files to print later from the printers screen
For you follow up review, please test the maximum print height at the edge of the print area. V400 promised 410x300mm but at the edge only has 379mm max height. I wonder if this printer really has 320x430mm print volume
Very interesting. I like that companies are stepping up to Bambu (I'm even a Bambu fanboy) I have not had the best of luck with Delta printers. I had an Anycubic Preditor and it printer well at first but quickly became a problem printer which required constant calibration. hopefully FLSun software will help out.
It's running vanilla klipper with some tweaks for it being a Delta printer. You have to get the updates through FLSUN and not just update it when klipper says there is a new update. In fact they made it so you can't. I'm waiting to see what people can get it to do by tweaking the config files as people have already gotten much better performance from the SV08 then the default settings out of the box and it uses klipper also.
@@franchezvibritannia7320 who cares about such nonsense? I want a new printer that brings again new innovation into the scene like bambu did with their first printers.
@@icenode they should but if they only announce this this year I'm gonna be very disappointed becouse I don't care a bit about them going open source 😅 I care about innovation, about things that makes 3D printing better, faster etc.
Oddly enough I am the guy that messages you on fb when I have troubles or questions about my troondon, thanks by the way. This is the printer I was looking at getting next, can't wait to see more on it.
NIIICE! You got one, and sounds like you'll be one of the first to get a video up. Congrats man, you deserve it. Hope it gives the channel a nice boost :)
I got a V400 (running right now) with the case and it can print anything. Biggest issues I had were cooling the Motherboard and poor adhesion to the build plate (thank you aqua net for the fix). This looks like a marked improvement.
Since I started using glues specialized for 3D print plates (NOT glue stick and NOT hair spray), I completely stopped worrying about bed adhesion. It has saved me so many headaches... For me this is the number 1 thing I'll recommend to any newcomer: get a specialized glue. Any brand will do honestly. The second tip would be: stop using textured PEI for critical stuff and use smooth PEI. Sticks like 50% better and you can go down with the bed temp a bit as well.
@@SebasTian-od7oz TBH sense some old head told me about Aqua Net I have never had it either and I use it because it's 2 bucks a can and available in several discount stores near my home. As for the plate I'm open to suggestions as I'm not a fan of the current PEI plates texture but not sure who makes a good plate for the v400.
Built an early Anycubic Kossel and it was a speedster back in the day. The print quality was excellent for a printer of that vintage. The issue I had was dimensional accuracy around the entire bed when you were printing closer to the edge. Interested in your testing of that aspect.
I recently bought an X1 Carbon Combo but I have always wanted a delta printer, I now find myself thinking of excuses to purchase one. Any excuse recommendations will be gratefully accepted! At the moment Im working on the speed increase saving electricity!
Looks very impressive! The T1 looks like it has a lot of potential for the money too. The turbo blower style fan makes a lot of sense and I'm glad they were able to go direct drive.
I find this printer really interesting. It's tall, to accommodate the armatures, but the footprint isn't that different to an X1C. As for the speed, I could kind of care less. Speed at the expense of quality is a fail in my book. I know speed is all the rage at the moment, and it's cool that the machine can physically move that fast, but if the end product is poor then it doesn't really matter. What I would be interested to see is someone who dials the S1 to the same sort of print settings as the X1C (speed, flow rate, layer height, infill, etc.), print the same file side by side, and compare the quality of the item printed. Don't race them to see who wins, just print the best quality possible between the two and see what that looks like. To me, THAT would be the true test of the S1. The X1C is currently the benchmark for quality, speed, and easy of use, so I think that would be a good comparison for the S1. As for the horrendous noise the S1 makes, I think there's a 3D file out there for a fan muffler that helps, somewhat, but they could definitely improve that. If the printer is obnoxious to be around because of the noise, that alone will turn some people away from purchasing one.
Thanks for this intro. I've printed many hundreds of parts on a QQ-S and V400. My biggest complaint and what I've had the most difficulty correcting is poor dimensional accuracy in x and y. Please check some parts (califlower etc) and include results in your detailed review. The delta buid volume shape is great for the oil and gas industry because most of our parts are long and cylindrical, but dimensional accuracy seems to be a weakness for deltas.
Flsun V400 is a good quality, fast and reliable printer. The S1 is a dream, I bought it immediately when it's become available fo purchase (today). The price is a little bit more than a Bambulab X1C or than Prusa MK4 (that I own), but the S1 is 2x faster and has a 3x build volume of them! It also have a very elegant design, a sturdy structure and many innovative features
Its certainly not 2 times faster. Basically dont pay attention to the stats a manufacturer says when it comes to speed as so many other things matter for the real speed.
@@theflew Unfortunately thats not _really_ how things work. For instance, real world tests Ive seen so far say that the hotend is faaaaar off of the 100+ claim they have an is more like 35mm/s^3 max. That fact alone means what you are saying isnt possible practically speaking.
@@ygk3d I think it's a situation if the S1 and T1 had chamber heaters, I'd buy one. Without it, I can't print some of my materials. Only other company is Qidi, but I'm not 100% on them either because some of their design choices are questionable. Seems like missed easy sales. There's no "perfect" printer out there yet, but there's almost zero reason why not.
@@dmax9324 IF my theory is correct and the architecture is the same with the SR (which I have), they didn’t add a heated chamber simply because the board is located at the top (with the CPAP fan). The heat of the chamber rising up will lessen the lifespan of the board and any delicate components placed at the top of the machine.
@@JamesMD03electronics compartment seems to separated from the build volume, the SR and v400 had vents there to the build volume. As far as longevity goes, stepper drivers are 125c rated, all other electronics are 85c (consumer grade) minimum or better. Even a 65c chamber would be nice as you significantly reduce preheat time and have a stable (!) environment
I think I love this printer ❤ with a high performance hotend like 100+mm3/s ... it has a lot to offer but also have downsides for using with MMU. Huge purging so time and filament wasted. But hey, i prefer that since I am not really in color printing and just want to print parts fast, strong, with quality. I only rarely print props and when I do, i dont mind one color or manual color swap. Its mostly when my son wants a little figurine. So this printer is for people like me :) prototyping and printing fast fonctional parts with one good spool of good material
Agreed, and have been looking after this printer for ages. But in a dilemma, also would love to build my own large printer, but not entirely from scratch - so considering the Vcore4 (queued already for the standard kit). What's causing my second thoughts are sheer size of it, almost 1000x1000x1000 due to the IDEX. Also considered your kit from Mellow (still prefer actually), but really would love 400+ - with your new adventure, did further development stop, or can I foresee a next gen Vz larger printer in the near future? That could be the deciding factor in what I do for my purchase.
Deltas can theoretically go faster but my two peeves are the steppers are louder than hell due to the way they move and they required more maintenance/calibration than cartesians in my experience. Thats despite others telling me cartesians are more maintenance, but I was really pushing a machine composed of plywood to its limit and kept throwing stuff out of my tunes. Loved it when it worked though! High speeds, smooth lines and fine details. And also it just plain looks cooler when it’s printing. Im really out of date with deltas, my last one was a heavily modified Rostock Max v2. If FLsun can address their finicky nature that’d be fantastic, it sounds like they have. I recently bought an X1 carbon after getting impatient on my Voron 2.4 build and am really impressed on what it can do out of the box. The auto calibration and failure detection is a godsend, they’re right to get on the same page with the S1. Also love the provided enclosure, the hot box up top is a nice touch.
It's odd for sure. The build plate is 320mm by diameter (circle) and 420mm by height. So actual build plate = (804.2cm^2) For comparison, a 256x256 plate is (655.36cm^2). It does have a larger build plate by size but at the cost of being in a circle...the 420mm build height allows pretty tall prints. If what your printing is round and tall...this seems to be the machine for you haha
@@mynameisprivate158 It's not really a negative. It's just a function of the geometry. The benefit of deltas is the z height is only limited by the height of the printer. FLsun was brilliant with the S1, including the filament dryer, since that's ordinarily dead space on a delta.
The circular build plate is deceiving. It’s technically bigger in its largest dimension than the X1C but almost feels smaller because of the shape. Should be big enough for a helmet though.
@@ygk3d Its basically perfectly sized for a helment, but for mechanical parts your feelings are right on it being smaller. I popped the dimensions into fusion 360 and the square that can fit in it XY wise is 226mm so like 25mm in both axis off of the Bambu.
@@ygk3d will you review it when it's deliverable? I am thinking about buying it as my second printer. I have the flsun Q5 and want to stick with deltas
Are they supporting open slicers? I've heard from others that they only use their own slicer. I like deltas but they are not space efficient, which IMHO is the biggest downside. And while this is enclosed, there is essentially no space for good filtration for anything beyond pla and petg
Right now it’s just their own slicer which is a mashup of PrusaSlicer and OrcaSlicer. You can slice and send g-code from OrcaSlicer just fine but there’s no built in profile yet.
Deltas typically have a higher speed rate than Cartesians and give prime corexys their run for their money, so it potentially can beat the X1 like it claims and i wouldn't be surprised.
Features and details remain to be verified. How long can the maximum printing speed be maintained and the print quality needs more evaluation.I don't think it can surpass BambuX1.
Bruh, you got the monster of all printers and you printed that baby boat in there… come on man print the Hulk in there, something worthy of the sheer size of that thing. Show us what it can do… we want BIG!!!!
Tiny build plate.. nice to see Bambu Labs has pushed companies to get better.. WE the community benefits. Just think we would be living a Creality Ender hell right now..
This looks pretty sweet, I'd be concerned with maintenance though. If you have one belt that comes out of tension adjustment you're positioning will be all over the place.
Even if below spec, they nailed the aesthetics. That is one sleek looking machine and the built-in dry box is a really cool idea. How is the longevity of their other line-up of products? Never heard of this company before. For my use, never used multi-color functionality, making this unit appear very enticing, primarily for build volume. Speed kills.
Longevity is quite good. They used brand name electronics in their machines (makerbase), component quality has been good since the super racer (except the super racer extruder). The linear rails are linear rails, dont need to explain these. The carbon rods have ptfe or similar material bushings, so maintenence free, thats how it was on the SR and v400. Crucial parts on those where either steel sheet metal, cnc aluminium or glass fiber reinforced plastic.
@@ygk3d Their other product line-up gives a clue. I've just never heard of this company but looks intriguing for sure. Hope you get long-span out of it without much hassle.
You do understand doing it this way gets you more airflow and less wait on the extruder assembly don't you.? It's a win in every way Less weight equals faster printing. The three arms are lighter than rails, take the fan off and replace it with a hose with a MUCH faster fan. Also, you need that airflow to print that fast. Most Voron designs are moving in that direction. I have only seen modified VZbot AWD printers print faster than this, which is open source and build yourself. Their next printer is going to be a delta printer. Their hotend is the craziest one I've seen, especially the water cooled one. I'll wait and see what the T1 can do at 600, this with 1000mm/s and 90mm/s volumetric, 30K fan and 30000 acceleration without LIDAR, which I still believe does nothing, and no filement holder. Not metal, probably a weaker MCU as this has a quad core 1.5ghz arm chip.
@@hoodie_tee I guess my sarcasm meter was broken when I posted that. My bad, 100 percent my fault. I imagine we are going to start seeing this solution on a lot of printers going forward outside maybe bed slingers. I'm starting to see a lot of Voron's using this solution now. It's also nice that it's running vanilla klipper outside updates because this needs specific klipper update from FLSUN or it could cause major issues. I did see another live stream of an unboxing and that thing at 100 percent is LOUD. Big Tree Tech just announced a "silent" version that I believe is 40K RPM that could be a drop in replacement although no fan spinning that fast could truly be silent. Closing the door did make a huge difference in how loud it was. He turned it off briefly and the S1 was actually very quiet so ABS/ASA and other filements that don't need much if any part cooling should print fast and be relatively quiet. I do wonder how much closed loop stepper motors will help as they know exactly where they are at all times so if you tell it to move 3 steps back and 10 forward and it misses a step and only moves 2 back it will only move 9 forward to try and compensate. It's essentially a "smart" stepper motor for lack of a better term.
1200 has gotta be a stretch even for travel speeds. Might be like the perfect line for the geometry. What really matters is if it can keep control of volumetric flow at that speed, and well, with a hotend claim that high, thats real important.
I think many don’t get that Bambus are popular not simply because they are fast but is a combination of being reliable, have a working multi material system and is decently quick all in a streamlined package.
I don't get your comment. Plenty of people get this, and I constantly hear reviewers talk about that. In fact, it's widely and abundantly said. If anything, this printer looks to try and replicate what Bambu started by producing what appears to be a highly refined printer. The improvements over the Flsun SR and V400 are obvious and I attribute that to what Bambu has done. Only time will tell if the reliability is there too, but competition is already driving prices down while costs are going up in most industries. Why be negative toward something that doesn't affect you but rather helps all of us?
Why filament? Why not a hopper for pellets? If it had a hopper mabe hold 5 lbs or more of plastic. It looks perfect for a hopper. Bring a second one out with hopper and heated chamber. For a good price and now we got a bambu Contender here.
Yeah I don't buy their flow claim. That's likely for large nozzle with core not actually melted. Getting true thorough melt over 60-80 is REALLY HARD. And then you have to overcome backpressure too.
Seeing this thing next to a person is insane. It's like the size of a 4 year old. I wonder why they didn't have the spool laying flat instead. It could've reduced the height like 4-5in.
Unfortunately I don't think it is all about speed this year it is about multi material, multi colour. I think they have missed the boat, my K1 is plenty fast enough, I am more interested in printers with some sort of AMS system. I suppose if you are using the printer for prototyping then the speed is important, I would assume for most hobbyists though it isn't.
@@ygk3d in future dont bait your viewers and not give full disclose as a matter of fact start with the PRICE because this is the MOST imports specification ...icalled a unbias Fair Review and not just clicky baiting on Bamboo lab name
I will stick with my V400. 600mms is more than plenty for my projects. Also have three dry boxes on top so I can do flilament color changes easily. As far as an AMS I will be looking into the 3D Chameleon. Cheers.
The AMS is extremely wasteful, never used one myself. And speed kills. I have to turn down my Bambu for 'speed-sensitive' printing anyhow. 600mms seems to be about perfect for most of what I do.
Also use the V400 with a 2 spool dry box and a ruby nozzle for printing PA-CF and PA together. Would love a big IDEX or maybe delta with a tool changer.
Your printer never hits 600, and this printer will never hit 1200. Even for travels those are gassed up numbers, and the reality for printing is waaaaaaay lower. Like probably closer to all the other faster printers because you ultimately have to melt the plastic and extrude it accurately. That said, with its high flow, I do bet its a notable improvement on speed, albeit nowhere near their claim.
@@BeefIngot Correct, it may never hit 600 BUT watching in Mainsail there are times it hits the 600 mark. Albeit very short BUT it does. Thing is it still is faster than my tricked out Neptune 4. That now has all linear rails and does smoke along. Cheers.
Sorry but you showed pretty much nothing. I don't know if you didn't have enough time to prepare the video but the information in it is almost non existent. I expect to see more usable information in your next parts. Have a nice day.
I was trying to get this video done to correspond with the lifting of the media embargo. This is intended to be a “first look”. I didn’t want to rush out a “review” before allowing adequate time to learn the machines strengths and weaknesses. I’ll be doing a more thorough analysis in the next video.
@@ygk3dif nothing else, I hope you'll verify what kind of nozzles it uses, particularly if the v6 is a direct replacement. Shouldn't take long to check with calipers.
Printer looks promising and looking forward to more videos on it. I am always astounded at how these printer companies keep put such crappy fans in their products when they are such a cheap off the shelf item. Blame the bean counters I guess.....
This looks promissing. For such high speeds you need fast motion system, ability to melt a lot of plastic per second and ability to cool a lot of printed plastick in place quickly. This seems to have all of those things so even if the marketed values are reacheable only in some extreme case on a particular printed model and setting this machine should still prove to be extremely capable. The dryer on the top is a nice touch. Deltas tend to have the spool at the top where all the heat of the printing tends to go anyway so it is a nice synergy to make that space a heated dryer too. When a print is running the heating on the dryer probably doesn't need to work at all or nearly as much. The heat generated by the bed and hotend gets used for drying too.
I'm waiting for some FLSun T1 reviews. The S1 looks nice, but far too expensive, I can't justify expending 1300+ EUR in one printer. In that price, you can get 4 Core-XY printers. The FLSun T1 seems a better option, on paper.
Honestly what is the point of this video if there is no testing of the one marketable quality, speed. Don’t be a shill your credibility is worth more than that.
The Bambu ecosystem is what will win out all of these comparison products, I don't even have one, I have 7 printers already and can't take the hit to swap them out for new Bambu gear as my gear pretty much worthless now the market has had such a massive advancement in past year or so and the 2nd hand market will get more saturated with old Prusa/Ender type gear. My main investment has been time, 100's of hours on core xy machines to get them running and decent profiles sorted, now Bambu just do all that out the box, that's the real saving. Oh, and I don't trust FLsun/Anycubic/Geetech/Tronxy as far as I can throw them as they all been nightmare machines
@@Peaky-Birmingham Its crazy the hate people have that a company from china changed the game. I try to think about the other reasons they could be mad, but there are other closed printers. This printer is closed except for klipper, and there are even printers with klipper that came closed, and no one was as mad. In Bambus case, they made their own firmware so they arent violating anyones license and people are still mad. Even if you dont like that, you should be happy they changed the game.
Delta Printers are really weird, that's why there are so few of them. They are very space inefficient, you get a small build volume for a large footprint and they have a ton of moving parts that can break. Their only advantage is speed, they can move the fastest but it's really only slightly faster then a core XY. I'm not going to take a ton of drawbacks for a 5 - 10% boost in speed. Do you see the size of that thing? It's like a refrigerator.
Movement and vibration within the printhead of a delta is dispersed much more efficiently. With a coreXY setup, the printer shakes and rocks a lot more than a delta would, due to utilizing the third axis into the other 2.
It's not only slightly faster than corexy. Mine can do 2500+ travel speed at 90k accel, or 1500 at 150k accel. Indeed a lot of deltas are space inefficient but that's not essential. Mine is roughly same footprint and machine height as an Ender 3 with very similar build volume (but cylindrical).
Always neat what someone is so sure of something they don't know anything about...😂 Literally three motors with three belts and idlers. Look at a bedslinger some time! LOL
I would consider buying it if it had a heated chamber. I'm not going to buy any new printer without a real sealed heated chamber and a glass door. Specially for a printer that loud.
@@ygk3d Bought it like 7 years ago because it was like 300€ while most printer were like 800€. Sadly the guys who build this machine never want to release a hot bed because " you don't need one ". Since most printer now are affordable they are almost dead because they increased the price. It's like 550€ for a machine who can only print PLA ( bowden ) on a cold bed.
The thing that drives me up the wall with these printers is that the manufacturers regurgitate huge numbers while the market still has stalled in terms of the printers actually being reasonably reliable and easy to work on. Like cool, it can print fast, except we will only use the speed on le funni PLA speed prints for the most part because printing for part strength and for quality makes you go back straight to the good ol' Ender 3 speeds in some cases with some materials. I am honestly curious about what this printer has going on under the hood with the closed loop stepper motors because delta printers have always had this absolutely horrible situation of having dimensional inaccuracy issues across all 3 axis which you would need to painfully fix by tightening everything to perfectly the same level God knows how many times, doing skew calibration, testing the skew, doing skew calibration again because something came loose by just a fraction and so on and so forth
@@ygk3d The problem with printing califlowers and skew calibration as a whole on a delta printer is the fact that the printer build encourages things going out of square even if they are built solidly, it is the kryptonite of the delta motion system and i is just a straight up novelty because people say "Oh a well tuned delta will always go faster than a CoreXY". Which is just not true by the way, the main difference comes from the extra stepper motor adding control, torque and speed, which gets strained by the delta motioning system anyway and gets trumped by 4WD printer designs
@@JasonBrodel Mhh… interesting. Thanks for the information. I’m new to delta so haven’t encountered these problems before. I will keep it in mind during my testing.
Skew calibration is only needed if you have a garbage delta with non squared frame. Normal calibration is non finnicky and depends only on having a square frame and bed and starting approximations for radius and arm length.
@@daliasprints9798 He said as all of these comments were based on experience of mostly FLSun products from the Super Racer to the V400 and so on and so forth
Still won't cut the mustard. BL will still be the one we mostly turn too. Simply has it prints more than one colour. And yes I get that that it's more hobbiest but still. If I'm looking to print serious stuff. Then I'd move away from all these and head to industrial
I honestly don't really get how this company still exists. Yeah the kinematics are cool but, their stuff is always comparatively expensive for what you get. What you never get with their stuff is a large community or third party support. You are guaranteeing to be the owner of an oddity. Maybe the T1 will do OK at 600$ but, the S1 is 1300$ and I really don't think anyone is falling for the long list of big numbers anymore. If 1200 was real they would be shouting it from the rooftops
lol, i still don't see the point of those dry box printers lol. printed tons of different materials, never had a problem, and just put them into a silica box before and after use, and ur good to go. if u put them into the ams with dryer boxes, they also work perfect. why even waste 4hours of electricity when u can just put them into silica dryer, that u take off after use, put them in the microwave for 30seconds and can use them again without any problems lol.
The trouble with being skint, You save for months to buy a new Bambu s1 and someone brings out something better... that you cant afford. Or have space for now lol.
@@ygk3d Bambu lab literally copied after voron, qidi tech and flashforged. Their CEO admitted it. There was zero innovation from bambu lab🤣🤣 Their A1 series is the literal definition of "race to the bottom manufacturing"
Which company has the ability of access 16 color changes and the setup is less than 5 min? Which company allows printing remotely and or without touching a slicer program, that auto loads/unloads filament and is rock solid reliable? Which multi filament system allows for filament redundancy so it will continue to print after a filament run out? Which printer allows for auto filament calibrations for up to 4 colors at a time to adjust k values, under and over extrusions? Until you can name 1 company that can do all of that in a single system, that can be setup in minutes, with no need to tune, configure or futz with we will assume you are trolling and should be ignored.
@@AwwwSnapperz lol you just named off a bunch of gimmicky marketing shit that nobody actually uses. literally nobody uses 16 colors on a bambu lab. Its all for marketing. Nobody prints remotely from the handy app becasue of the the inconstancy and security issues involved The prusa MMU and even creality/anycubics systems auto load/unload filament for you lol. Nobody adjust their K values anymore lmfao. This isn't 2019 anymore dude. Everything is so fine tuned out of the box that nobody ever needs to mess with K values. Like you're actually shilling hard for a company that's getting its ass kicked by all of the competition and holds the record on DOA printers. Which company is funded by IDG capitol? A venture capital bank knows for funding companies that sell user data and have the larges security breaches in history? That would be bambu lab buddy. Bambu lab is selling your data sweetheart. Bambu lab doesn't even own their own company. Their owned by a parent company which is Tiertime 3D. At least prusa is self owned and ran and not backed by shady investors. Which company has a 2.6 rating on trustpilot? that would be bambu lab. Shit prusa has a 4.6.
This is no competition. I have had the opportunity to test this printer but the direction the manufacturer is taking is just wrong. All the parameters in which it should compete are also its weaknesses. In this price range, this is an unusable printer for print farms. But I believe an architect could find a use for it.
too big and that benchy look awfull by today's standar, just look alrigh on white because you can't see the detail but that front overhang looks bumpy lol
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Thanks for watching! This is just part one of my coverage of the S1. I'm already deep into my testing and will plan to release a more comprehensive overview soon. Initial impressions are as follows:
1. It's LOUD - It sounds like a vacuum cleaner when running. I think this will be the first thing you want to upgrade. The small CPAP fan gives a high pitch whine. I think that a larger fan would run quieter. Don't expect to use this in your house. You might even hear it through the wall if it's in the garage.
2. It's FAST - Maybe too fast. The printer seems to be able to achieve the advertised numbers but the speeds aren't usable with standard filaments. High speed PLA is the only filament I've tested so far that can take advantage of the speeds and flow rates. For all standard filaments, you won't come close to printing that fast.
3. It's feature rich - Lots of value added features: LIDAR for first layer inspection, automatic flow calibration, remote monitoring with AI failure detection, zone heating (segmented heat bed), clog detection, strain gauge in spool holder to measure remaining filament, actively heated filament chamber, ...
4. It's got Bambu level ease of use with the configurability of a Voron, thanks to the use of standard Klipper firmware.
5. No AMS - No multi-colour capabilities OOTB and a retrofit seems unlikely due to the current filament path and spool holder arrangement.
A lot of those speeds on the screen seems like requested speeds instead of the real speed. FlSun modified klipper in pervious instances to do that and mislead the users. Also they modified thermal runaway so please test that too!
It's BIG, good-looking and supposedly has everything one would want in a fast printer and then some, but how much does it cost?
@@TNX255 currently selling for $1300 USD.
@@ygk3d has the printer an Ethernet port?
And also WLAN? If yes 2,4 GHz or also 5 GHz?
@@berlinberlin4246 I haven’t noticed an Ethernet port so I think not. It has WiFi. I have a dual band router so not sure which network it connected to. I would have to double check. Most printers seem to use 2.4GHz.
This looks awesome. I think however it's not going to blow the bambu out of the water. The next crucial step for 3d printers are heated and temp controlled enclosures capable of at least 80C for industrial strength and quality ABS/ASA prints. That would definitely make me throw my money at it.
This actually looks like a great candidate to put a chamber heater in. I can't tell if the stepper motors are in the top, but you could simply turn the machine upside down. I think a heated chamber without multiple tool heads or an AMS type system is a waste. I have a QIDI x plus that can reach 75c, but the layer adhesion on parts is so good that removing supports takes forever. To beat bambu would require a sub $1500 printer with an 85c chamber and preferably IDEX.
@@AnnikaFPV There is no need to protect motors. Just replace them with high temp motors, they are not expensive and available everywhere now. They can take up to 180C long term so a chamber temp of up to 140C should be no problem. The belts are the first thing to go and they are usually rated to 90C but there are belts rated higher as well. You also need very god hotend cooling or possibly water cooling and it already has CPAP so that's great. Prinitng ABS in an 80C chamber needs way more parts cooling than even PLA.
For me the bambu's are just too small ! when are we getting that Bambu XL??? $$$
whats the point when printing fast significantly reduces strength anyway?
Nah, the next step is multi tools.
omg this is huge! Thank you for showing us all about this printer.
Despite the fact that it does not have a heated build chamber (like my Qidi X-Max 3), the FLSun S1 may very well be my next printer. I have a couple of old AnyCubic deltas that have served me well, and I always wondered if the delta printer motion design was theoretically capable of faster speeds than the core-xy motion design that is so popular today. If nothing else, the delta motion design seems much simpler to me than the core-xy design. I am very much looking forward to seeing more videos about the S1 printer. I am especially impressed with the build volume of this beast!
Motion controlled by three motors is always better than two
Having owned a lot of different 3d printers, a well built delta will 100% be able to reach faster speeds with better quality. The main issue in the beginning were ease of calibration, needed tight tolerances in build, and 32bit control boards. the calibration and control boards have been solved for a while. so as long as they build these well, should be a beast. only beaten out by the magneto x with its linear motors.
My brother in Christ what do you mean delta is simpler in design than a CoreXY, it's literally two belts in the shape of an L and you've done your CoreXY routing
According to the website it should have a heated build area? ...Chamber temperature up to 50°C...Or have I misunderstood something
@@JasonBrodel I don't know why, answers starting with "My brother in Christ" always make me laugh, it's like I can feel the frustration behind it xD
What's the company support like over the last few years? Do they still make parts, firmware updates, etc. for their printers years after they came out?
Any updates? What's the build quality when doing maxxed stuff instead of a benchy?
I have the FLSun V400. I can access it via my PC and send it files wirelessly. Connect the printer to wifi and enter its IP adress in your browser. Only personal downside of Delta printing is that supports often fail, especially the skinny zig zag ones. Tree supports are my go to. Also different artifacts can appear based on where you print it on the plate (3 belts to calibrate). The build volume is a cone at the very top, because of the range of motion. Only downside of FLSun is that I have to rely on the community for software, printer profiles, help etc. As my first printer I had to figure a lot of things out on my own.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing your experience! Interesting about the limitations of delta kinematics.
Every other printer let's us send files wirelessly too lol bambu studio even has a wifi send button to send files to print later from the printers screen
For you follow up review, please test the maximum print height at the edge of the print area. V400 promised 410x300mm but at the edge only has 379mm max height. I wonder if this printer really has 320x430mm print volume
Very interesting. I like that companies are stepping up to Bambu (I'm even a Bambu fanboy) I have not had the best of luck with Delta printers. I had an Anycubic Preditor and it printer well at first but quickly became a problem printer which required constant calibration. hopefully FLSun software will help out.
It's running vanilla klipper with some tweaks for it being a Delta printer. You have to get the updates through FLSUN and not just update it when klipper says there is a new update. In fact they made it so you can't.
I'm waiting to see what people can get it to do by tweaking the config files as people have already gotten much better performance from the SV08 then the default settings out of the box and it uses klipper also.
Im curious what Bambulab is going to announce this year.
im gonna get a new printer this year hopefully and im looking at my options
I hope they announce that they are open sourcing everything
@@franchezvibritannia7320 who cares about such nonsense? I want a new printer that brings again new innovation into the scene like bambu did with their first printers.
Given how much Bambu Labs have benefited from open source, they should care about it for starters.
@@icenode they should but if they only announce this this year I'm gonna be very disappointed becouse I don't care a bit about them going open source 😅 I care about innovation, about things that makes 3D printing better, faster etc.
Delta speeds are nuts, love those Deltas
Oddly enough I am the guy that messages you on fb when I have troubles or questions about my troondon, thanks by the way. This is the printer I was looking at getting next, can't wait to see more on it.
Nice...but how are you going to ad a ams to this thing🤔
NIIICE! You got one, and sounds like you'll be one of the first to get a video up. Congrats man, you deserve it. Hope it gives the channel a nice boost :)
As long as YGK3D doesn't follow in your footsteps, he'll be a fine RUclipsr.
@@shadows555555ha, gotteeeeeem
I got a V400 (running right now) with the case and it can print anything. Biggest issues I had were cooling the Motherboard and poor adhesion to the build plate (thank you aqua net for the fix). This looks like a marked improvement.
Since I started using glues specialized for 3D print plates (NOT glue stick and NOT hair spray), I completely stopped worrying about bed adhesion. It has saved me so many headaches... For me this is the number 1 thing I'll recommend to any newcomer: get a specialized glue. Any brand will do honestly. The second tip would be: stop using textured PEI for critical stuff and use smooth PEI. Sticks like 50% better and you can go down with the bed temp a bit as well.
@@SebasTian-od7oz TBH sense some old head told me about Aqua Net I have never had it either and I use it because it's 2 bucks a can and available in several discount stores near my home.
As for the plate I'm open to suggestions as I'm not a fan of the current PEI plates texture but not sure who makes a good plate for the v400.
Built an early Anycubic Kossel and it was a speedster back in the day. The print quality was excellent for a printer of that vintage. The issue I had was dimensional accuracy around the entire bed when you were printing closer to the edge. Interested in your testing of that aspect.
I still run a Linear Plus daily right next to my Super Racers. They're killer!
What about right out of the box setup?
I understand that this is not for inexperienced users. It needs lots of tweaks to get decent results.
Its funny that FLSun ignores everything they made before the QQS. They started out making i3 clones like everyone else. I still have one in my garage
It's disappointing this is clearly just a paid ad, would have been good to see a genuine review of this one
Unless I missed it he didn't give the print time for the benchy? Bambu I believe is 15min so this should/could be 7.5min? No price either?
@@sandboundchrishe did say. I believe it was 8 minutes
@@trygvij16048 minutes in 2024? Cringe.
Please print a califlower. And schow the results. Looking Forward to the video.
I recently bought an X1 Carbon Combo but I have always wanted a delta printer, I now find myself thinking of excuses to purchase one.
Any excuse recommendations will be gratefully accepted!
At the moment Im working on the speed increase saving electricity!
Hahaha too good! It makes for a pretty good white noise machine if you sleep well to the sound of a vacuum cleaner 😂
Looks very impressive! The T1 looks like it has a lot of potential for the money too. The turbo blower style fan makes a lot of sense and I'm glad they were able to go direct drive.
I find this printer really interesting. It's tall, to accommodate the armatures, but the footprint isn't that different to an X1C. As for the speed, I could kind of care less. Speed at the expense of quality is a fail in my book. I know speed is all the rage at the moment, and it's cool that the machine can physically move that fast, but if the end product is poor then it doesn't really matter. What I would be interested to see is someone who dials the S1 to the same sort of print settings as the X1C (speed, flow rate, layer height, infill, etc.), print the same file side by side, and compare the quality of the item printed. Don't race them to see who wins, just print the best quality possible between the two and see what that looks like. To me, THAT would be the true test of the S1. The X1C is currently the benchmark for quality, speed, and easy of use, so I think that would be a good comparison for the S1.
As for the horrendous noise the S1 makes, I think there's a 3D file out there for a fan muffler that helps, somewhat, but they could definitely improve that. If the printer is obnoxious to be around because of the noise, that alone will turn some people away from purchasing one.
Looks like it could accept a square bed sheet, the SR has mounts there make that impossible to do. Round sheets are expensive and hard to get.
After my experience with my Sherpa and Klipperized Super Racers, I've been looking forward to the S1. Gonna be using the CPAP setup from it...
What are the actual outside dimensions? Are there any filaments It does not print?
PEEK
nice job, will it print carbon fiber and or nylon??
Not sure if it has wear resistant nozzle and drive gears or not. I will look into that.
@@ygk3d find anything out?? I'm ready to buy if it will print carbon fiber and or nylon..
Thanks for this intro. I've printed many hundreds of parts on a QQ-S and V400. My biggest complaint and what I've had the most difficulty correcting is poor dimensional accuracy in x and y. Please check some parts (califlower etc) and include results in your detailed review. The delta buid volume shape is great for the oil and gas industry because most of our parts are long and cylindrical, but dimensional accuracy seems to be a weakness for deltas.
Flsun V400 is a good quality, fast and reliable printer. The S1 is a dream, I bought it immediately when it's become available fo purchase (today). The price is a little bit more than a Bambulab X1C or than Prusa MK4 (that I own), but the S1 is 2x faster and has a 3x build volume of them! It also have a very elegant design, a sturdy structure and many innovative features
Its certainly not 2 times faster. Basically dont pay attention to the stats a manufacturer says when it comes to speed as so many other things matter for the real speed.
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@@BeefIngot The FLsun V400 is the speed of the X1C, so this this is bound to be much quicker.
@@theflew Unfortunately thats not _really_ how things work. For instance, real world tests Ive seen so far say that the hotend is faaaaar off of the 100+ claim they have an is more like 35mm/s^3 max. That fact alone means what you are saying isnt possible practically speaking.
The T1 Pro is about to be released, with some improvements in noise
Only thing it doesn't appear to have is a chamber heater. Why not? Why aren't flagships doing this?
Good question... heated chamber would be nice and seems like it could have been added quite easily.
@@ygk3d I think it's a situation if the S1 and T1 had chamber heaters, I'd buy one. Without it, I can't print some of my materials. Only other company is Qidi, but I'm not 100% on them either because some of their design choices are questionable. Seems like missed easy sales. There's no "perfect" printer out there yet, but there's almost zero reason why not.
@@dmax9324 IF my theory is correct and the architecture is the same with the SR (which I have), they didn’t add a heated chamber simply because the board is located at the top (with the CPAP fan). The heat of the chamber rising up will lessen the lifespan of the board and any delicate components placed at the top of the machine.
@@JamesMD03electronics compartment seems to separated from the build volume, the SR and v400 had vents there to the build volume. As far as longevity goes, stepper drivers are 125c rated, all other electronics are 85c (consumer grade) minimum or better. Even a 65c chamber would be nice as you significantly reduce preheat time and have a stable (!) environment
I think I love this printer ❤ with a high performance hotend like 100+mm3/s ... it has a lot to offer but also have downsides for using with MMU. Huge purging so time and filament wasted. But hey, i prefer that since I am not really in color printing and just want to print parts fast, strong, with quality. I only rarely print props and when I do, i dont mind one color or manual color swap. Its mostly when my son wants a little figurine. So this printer is for people like me :) prototyping and printing fast fonctional parts with one good spool of good material
Agreed, and have been looking after this printer for ages. But in a dilemma, also would love to build my own large printer, but not entirely from scratch - so considering the Vcore4 (queued already for the standard kit). What's causing my second thoughts are sheer size of it, almost 1000x1000x1000 due to the IDEX. Also considered your kit from Mellow (still prefer actually), but really would love 400+ - with your new adventure, did further development stop, or can I foresee a next gen Vz larger printer in the near future? That could be the deciding factor in what I do for my purchase.
Deltas can theoretically go faster but my two peeves are the steppers are louder than hell due to the way they move and they required more maintenance/calibration than cartesians in my experience. Thats despite others telling me cartesians are more maintenance, but I was really pushing a machine composed of plywood to its limit and kept throwing stuff out of my tunes. Loved it when it worked though! High speeds, smooth lines and fine details. And also it just plain looks cooler when it’s printing.
Im really out of date with deltas, my last one was a heavily modified Rostock Max v2. If FLsun can address their finicky nature that’d be fantastic, it sounds like they have. I recently bought an X1 carbon after getting impatient on my Voron 2.4 build and am really impressed on what it can do out of the box. The auto calibration and failure detection is a godsend, they’re right to get on the same page with the S1. Also love the provided enclosure, the hot box up top is a nice touch.
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Dude still doesn't know how to run a prusa XL after all these months.
What a gigantic printer for a relative small build volume.
It's odd for sure. The build plate is 320mm by diameter (circle) and 420mm by height. So actual build plate = (804.2cm^2) For comparison, a 256x256 plate is (655.36cm^2). It does have a larger build plate by size but at the cost of being in a circle...the 420mm build height allows pretty tall prints. If what your printing is round and tall...this seems to be the machine for you haha
This is a negative of all delta printers the z volume is limited to 1/2 the height of the printer
@@mynameisprivate158 It's not really a negative. It's just a function of the geometry. The benefit of deltas is the z height is only limited by the height of the printer. FLsun was brilliant with the S1, including the filament dryer, since that's ordinarily dead space on a delta.
This machine is huge. A Bambu X1C is half of the size. If it prints as good, then it is a good competitor. Waiting for your review !
It seem well build, but for the size of the machine, the build volume seems too small
The sad drawback of delta printers
It says it’s 320x320x430. Sure doesn’t look that big. I guess the round build plate makes it look smaller. Can you print a full size helmet on it?
The circular build plate is deceiving. It’s technically bigger in its largest dimension than the X1C but almost feels smaller because of the shape. Should be big enough for a helmet though.
@@ygk3d Its basically perfectly sized for a helment, but for mechanical parts your feelings are right on it being smaller.
I popped the dimensions into fusion 360 and the square that can fit in it XY wise is 226mm so like 25mm in both axis off of the Bambu.
Do you also have the t1?
No
@@ygk3d will you review it when it's deliverable? I am thinking about buying it as my second printer. I have the flsun Q5 and want to stick with deltas
@@leonnundel2443 only if they send it to me. My printer budget has dried up 😅
How heavy is it ?
90 pounds.
@@chrismay2298WTF... 🤨 Looks like its staying on the floor then.
Are they supporting open slicers? I've heard from others that they only use their own slicer. I like deltas but they are not space efficient, which IMHO is the biggest downside. And while this is enclosed, there is essentially no space for good filtration for anything beyond pla and petg
Right now it’s just their own slicer which is a mashup of PrusaSlicer and OrcaSlicer. You can slice and send g-code from OrcaSlicer just fine but there’s no built in profile yet.
Last time I heard the profiles for other slicers are still in development based on the latest update from the FB group
They cant not do that if they are using klipper.
Deltas typically have a higher speed rate than Cartesians and give prime corexys their run for their money, so it potentially can beat the X1 like it claims and i wouldn't be surprised.
Features and details remain to be verified. How long can the maximum printing speed be maintained and the print quality needs more evaluation.I don't think it can surpass BambuX1.
Bruh, you got the monster of all printers and you printed that baby boat in there… come on man print the Hulk in there, something worthy of the sheer size of that thing. Show us what it can do… we want BIG!!!!
Tiny build plate.. nice to see Bambu Labs has pushed companies to get better.. WE the community benefits. Just think we would be living a Creality Ender hell right now..
This looks pretty sweet, I'd be concerned with maintenance though. If you have one belt that comes out of tension adjustment you're positioning will be all over the place.
They're super easy to tension with tensioners built in. Tension gauge or panotune X3 and you're golden.
@@chrismay2298 That's pretty cool. It's pretty awesome to see all this innovation with such an old tech.
Even if below spec, they nailed the aesthetics. That is one sleek looking machine and the built-in dry box is a really cool idea. How is the longevity of their other line-up of products? Never heard of this company before. For my use, never used multi-color functionality, making this unit appear very enticing, primarily for build volume. Speed kills.
This is the first printer of theirs I have owned, so I can’t attest to the longevity unfortunately.
Longevity is quite good. They used brand name electronics in their machines (makerbase), component quality has been good since the super racer (except the super racer extruder). The linear rails are linear rails, dont need to explain these. The carbon rods have ptfe or similar material bushings, so maintenence free, thats how it was on the SR and v400. Crucial parts on those where either steel sheet metal, cnc aluminium or glass fiber reinforced plastic.
@@ygk3d Their other product line-up gives a clue. I've just never heard of this company but looks intriguing for sure. Hope you get long-span out of it without much hassle.
They slapped a turbo on the back for part cooling!!! How much boost? 😂
40,000 RPM 😄
You do understand doing it this way gets you more airflow and less wait on the extruder assembly don't you.? It's a win in every way
Less weight equals faster printing. The three arms are lighter than rails, take the fan off and replace it with a hose with a MUCH faster fan.
Also, you need that airflow to print that fast. Most Voron designs are moving in that direction. I have only seen modified VZbot AWD printers print faster than this, which is open source and build yourself. Their next printer is going to be a delta printer. Their hotend is the craziest one I've seen, especially the water cooled one.
I'll wait and see what the T1 can do at 600, this with 1000mm/s and 90mm/s volumetric, 30K fan and 30000 acceleration without LIDAR, which I still believe does nothing, and no filement holder. Not metal, probably a weaker MCU as this has a quad core 1.5ghz arm chip.
@@JoshFisher567 you do realize that was a joke right? I totally comprehend why the turbine fan was installed where they put it.
@@hoodie_tee I guess my sarcasm meter was broken when I posted that. My bad, 100 percent my fault. I imagine we are going to start seeing this solution on a lot of printers going forward outside maybe bed slingers. I'm starting to see a lot of Voron's using this solution now. It's also nice that it's running vanilla klipper outside updates because this needs specific klipper update from FLSUN or it could cause major issues.
I did see another live stream of an unboxing and that thing at 100 percent is LOUD. Big Tree Tech just announced a "silent" version that I believe is 40K RPM that could be a drop in replacement although no fan spinning that fast could truly be silent. Closing the door did make a huge difference in how loud it was. He turned it off briefly and the S1 was actually very quiet so ABS/ASA and other filements that don't need much if any part cooling should print fast and be relatively quiet.
I do wonder how much closed loop stepper motors will help as they know exactly where they are at all times so if you tell it to move 3 steps back and 10 forward and it misses a step and only moves 2 back it will only move 9 forward to try and compensate. It's essentially a "smart" stepper motor for lack of a better term.
1200 has gotta be a stretch even for travel speeds. Might be like the perfect line for the geometry.
What really matters is if it can keep control of volumetric flow at that speed, and well, with a hotend claim that high, thats real important.
1200 is slow for travel on a delta. Mine does 2400 travel with some headroom.
@@daliasprints9798 You're probably right for travels. No way for anything actually being printed though.
@@BeefIngot With thin layers you can print at 1000+ motion speeds, but dialing in the settings so those speeds work can be hard.
They put an 8 minute benchy on the SD. Nero ran it and came out pretty slick.
@@chrismay2298 8 min benchy doesn't need 1000 mm/s or even 400 mm/s.
Deltas finally get some love
Looks awesome. Time will tell how good it is.
Seems like 3x the size for same build volume
I think many don’t get that Bambus are popular not simply because they are fast but is a combination of being reliable, have a working multi material system and is decently quick all in a streamlined package.
I don't get your comment. Plenty of people get this, and I constantly hear reviewers talk about that. In fact, it's widely and abundantly said. If anything, this printer looks to try and replicate what Bambu started by producing what appears to be a highly refined printer. The improvements over the Flsun SR and V400 are obvious and I attribute that to what Bambu has done. Only time will tell if the reliability is there too, but competition is already driving prices down while costs are going up in most industries. Why be negative toward something that doesn't affect you but rather helps all of us?
They don't. Bambus look reliable while being borderline unusable garbage, they are basically the ender 3 of coreXY.
Why filament? Why not a hopper for pellets? If it had a hopper mabe hold 5 lbs or more of plastic. It looks perfect for a hopper. Bring a second one out with hopper and heated chamber. For a good price and now we got a bambu Contender here.
Great idea! That would be awesome.
I love me a delta, my first printer was one.
If you’re making lofty claims like having a max VF over 3x a CHT nozzle, I’d hope to at least see a racetrack print to validate it
For sure! This will be part of my follow-up testing.
Yeah I don't buy their flow claim. That's likely for large nozzle with core not actually melted. Getting true thorough melt over 60-80 is REALLY HARD. And then you have to overcome backpressure too.
Seeing this thing next to a person is insane. It's like the size of a 4 year old. I wonder why they didn't have the spool laying flat instead. It could've reduced the height like 4-5in.
Unfortunately I don't think it is all about speed this year it is about multi material, multi colour. I think they have missed the boat, my K1 is plenty fast enough, I am more interested in printers with some sort of AMS system. I suppose if you are using the printer for prototyping then the speed is important, I would assume for most hobbyists though it isn't.
It's real! Awesome! Now i wish i had one, but i just bought 6x SV08 :/
Wow, and the price is decent too😮
The most important specifation was left out ...WDF is the price MEN ?
Check the link in the description for up to date information. Prices are subject to change. But currently it’s on sale for $1300 USD.
@@ygk3d in future dont bait your viewers and not give full disclose as a matter of fact start with the PRICE because this is the MOST imports specification ...icalled a unbias Fair Review and not just clicky baiting on Bamboo lab name
I will stick with my V400.
600mms is more than plenty for my projects.
Also have three dry boxes on top so I can do flilament color changes easily.
As far as an AMS I will be looking into the 3D Chameleon.
Cheers.
The AMS is extremely wasteful, never used one myself. And speed kills. I have to turn down my Bambu for 'speed-sensitive' printing anyhow. 600mms seems to be about perfect for most of what I do.
Also use the V400 with a 2 spool dry box and a ruby nozzle for printing PA-CF and PA together.
Would love a big IDEX or maybe delta with a tool changer.
@@heavyweather Ok, what is this ruby nozzle you speak of?
Also, I did see a tool changing delta a while back.
DIY but had some merrit.
Cheers.
Your printer never hits 600, and this printer will never hit 1200.
Even for travels those are gassed up numbers, and the reality for printing is waaaaaaay lower. Like probably closer to all the other faster printers because you ultimately have to melt the plastic and extrude it accurately.
That said, with its high flow, I do bet its a notable improvement on speed, albeit nowhere near their claim.
@@BeefIngot Correct, it may never hit 600 BUT watching in Mainsail there are times it hits the 600 mark.
Albeit very short BUT it does.
Thing is it still is faster than my tricked out Neptune 4.
That now has all linear rails and does smoke along.
Cheers.
Looks great. If I can’t put a 3.5 kg spool, or just any larger format spool, on I prob wouldn’t get it.
That is my question also...
Nero's live introduces a feed port to the right rear
Sorry but you showed pretty much nothing. I don't know if you didn't have enough time to prepare the video but the information in it is almost non existent. I expect to see more usable information in your next parts.
Have a nice day.
I was trying to get this video done to correspond with the lifting of the media embargo. This is intended to be a “first look”. I didn’t want to rush out a “review” before allowing adequate time to learn the machines strengths and weaknesses. I’ll be doing a more thorough analysis in the next video.
@@ygk3dso not enough time. I see.
@@ygk3dif nothing else, I hope you'll verify what kind of nozzles it uses, particularly if the v6 is a direct replacement. Shouldn't take long to check with calipers.
@@leaftye will do!
Printer looks promising and looking forward to more videos on it. I am always astounded at how these printer companies keep put such crappy fans in their products when they are such a cheap off the shelf item. Blame the bean counters I guess.....
This looks promissing. For such high speeds you need fast motion system, ability to melt a lot of plastic per second and ability to cool a lot of printed plastick in place quickly. This seems to have all of those things so even if the marketed values are reacheable only in some extreme case on a particular printed model and setting this machine should still prove to be extremely capable.
The dryer on the top is a nice touch. Deltas tend to have the spool at the top where all the heat of the printing tends to go anyway so it is a nice synergy to make that space a heated dryer too. When a print is running the heating on the dryer probably doesn't need to work at all or nearly as much. The heat generated by the bed and hotend gets used for drying too.
Far out! At 07:33 huge printer for. tiny model print….hehe. Laurie NZ. 😊
I want one!
But... The largest part you can print in X/Y is still SO small. Great, I guess for print fast small tall pieces. Maybe?
when he said subscribe the subscribe button glowed
I guess that means you should click it 😉
The print head lowers like the Borg Queen in Star Trek
I'm waiting for some FLSun T1 reviews. The S1 looks nice, but far too expensive, I can't justify expending 1300+ EUR in one printer. In that price, you can get 4 Core-XY printers. The FLSun T1 seems a better option, on paper.
Honestly what is the point of this video if there is no testing of the one marketable quality, speed. Don’t be a shill your credibility is worth more than that.
It’s a first look. I unboxed the machine and gave my first impressions and some commentary on its features. A more detailed analysis will follow.
The Bambu ecosystem is what will win out all of these comparison products, I don't even have one, I have 7 printers already and can't take the hit to swap them out for new Bambu gear as my gear pretty much worthless now the market has had such a massive advancement in past year or so and the 2nd hand market will get more saturated with old Prusa/Ender type gear. My main investment has been time, 100's of hours on core xy machines to get them running and decent profiles sorted, now Bambu just do all that out the box, that's the real saving. Oh, and I don't trust FLsun/Anycubic/Geetech/Tronxy as far as I can throw them as they all been nightmare machines
Take Bambu's money and get out
@@Peaky-Birmingham Its crazy the hate people have that a company from china changed the game.
I try to think about the other reasons they could be mad, but there are other closed printers. This printer is closed except for klipper, and there are even printers with klipper that came closed, and no one was as mad. In Bambus case, they made their own firmware so they arent violating anyones license and people are still mad.
Even if you dont like that, you should be happy they changed the game.
I need more videos to verify what it advertises.I haven’t seen anything special yet.
Delta Printers are really weird, that's why there are so few of them. They are very space inefficient, you get a small build volume for a large footprint and they have a ton of moving parts that can break. Their only advantage is speed, they can move the fastest but it's really only slightly faster then a core XY. I'm not going to take a ton of drawbacks for a 5 - 10% boost in speed. Do you see the size of that thing? It's like a refrigerator.
That’s fair. It’s definitely large.
Movement and vibration within the printhead of a delta is dispersed much more efficiently. With a coreXY setup, the printer shakes and rocks a lot more than a delta would, due to utilizing the third axis into the other 2.
It's not only slightly faster than corexy. Mine can do 2500+ travel speed at 90k accel, or 1500 at 150k accel.
Indeed a lot of deltas are space inefficient but that's not essential. Mine is roughly same footprint and machine height as an Ender 3 with very similar build volume (but cylindrical).
Always neat what someone is so sure of something they don't know anything about...😂 Literally three motors with three belts and idlers. Look at a bedslinger some time! LOL
@@chrismay2298 People never trust the unknown
I would consider buying it if it had a heated chamber. I'm not going to buy any new printer without a real sealed heated chamber and a glass door. Specially for a printer that loud.
Me : 60mm sec and cold bed 😂
Cold bed? What year is it anyway? 😂
@@ygk3d Bought it like 7 years ago because it was like 300€ while most printer were like 800€.
Sadly the guys who build this machine never want to release a hot bed because " you don't need one ".
Since most printer now are affordable they are almost dead because they increased the price. It's like 550€ for a machine who can only print PLA ( bowden ) on a cold bed.
FLSUN 's slow rollout of this is pretty suspect. same with the new anycubic AMS clone. no more renderings in the future i hope
Better to be slow than rush it out.
If only bambo made an xl enclosure.
i want this sooooo bad
The thing that drives me up the wall with these printers is that the manufacturers regurgitate huge numbers while the market still has stalled in terms of the printers actually being reasonably reliable and easy to work on. Like cool, it can print fast, except we will only use the speed on le funni PLA speed prints for the most part because printing for part strength and for quality makes you go back straight to the good ol' Ender 3 speeds in some cases with some materials. I am honestly curious about what this printer has going on under the hood with the closed loop stepper motors because delta printers have always had this absolutely horrible situation of having dimensional inaccuracy issues across all 3 axis which you would need to painfully fix by tightening everything to perfectly the same level God knows how many times, doing skew calibration, testing the skew, doing skew calibration again because something came loose by just a fraction and so on and so forth
I’m going to print a califlower in my follow up testing to see how bad the skew is.
@@ygk3d The problem with printing califlowers and skew calibration as a whole on a delta printer is the fact that the printer build encourages things going out of square even if they are built solidly, it is the kryptonite of the delta motion system and i is just a straight up novelty because people say "Oh a well tuned delta will always go faster than a CoreXY". Which is just not true by the way, the main difference comes from the extra stepper motor adding control, torque and speed, which gets strained by the delta motioning system anyway and gets trumped by 4WD printer designs
@@JasonBrodel Mhh… interesting. Thanks for the information. I’m new to delta so haven’t encountered these problems before. I will keep it in mind during my testing.
Skew calibration is only needed if you have a garbage delta with non squared frame. Normal calibration is non finnicky and depends only on having a square frame and bed and starting approximations for radius and arm length.
@@daliasprints9798 He said as all of these comments were based on experience of mostly FLSun products from the Super Racer to the V400 and so on and so forth
Still won't cut the mustard. BL will still be the one we mostly turn too. Simply has it prints more than one colour. And yes I get that that it's more hobbiest but still. If I'm looking to print serious stuff. Then I'd move away from all these and head to industrial
sub par 1st look. i have more questions after watching this. I guess 1st look means no criticism except in description
A first look is just that, a first look. Get the machine out of the box, share your first impressions. The next video will be a detailed analysis.
first look means this clown was short on rent and needed an sponsor
I honestly don't really get how this company still exists. Yeah the kinematics are cool but, their stuff is always comparatively expensive for what you get. What you never get with their stuff is a large community or third party support. You are guaranteeing to be the owner of an oddity. Maybe the T1 will do OK at 600$ but, the S1 is 1300$ and I really don't think anyone is falling for the long list of big numbers anymore. If 1200 was real they would be shouting it from the rooftops
lol, i still don't see the point of those dry box printers lol. printed tons of different materials, never had a problem, and just put them into a silica box before and after use, and ur good to go. if u put them into the ams with dryer boxes, they also work perfect. why even waste 4hours of electricity when u can just put them into silica dryer, that u take off after use, put them in the microwave for 30seconds and can use them again without any problems lol.
Lol, try living in a humid country, lol
You must run PLA in a low humidity region. Try some nylon in Indiana during the summer...😂
The trouble with being skint, You save for months to buy a new Bambu s1 and someone brings out something better... that you cant afford. Or have space for now lol.
Bambu lab has had real competition for 2 years now. These shilly youtubers.
They have plenty of competitors copying their designs and racing to the bottom. Who else is innovating and doing something different?
@@ygk3d Bambu lab literally copied after voron, qidi tech and flashforged. Their CEO admitted it. There was zero innovation from bambu lab🤣🤣
Their A1 series is the literal definition of "race to the bottom manufacturing"
Which company has the ability of access 16 color changes and the setup is less than 5 min?
Which company allows printing remotely and or without touching a slicer program, that auto loads/unloads filament and is rock solid reliable?
Which multi filament system allows for filament redundancy so it will continue to print after a filament run out?
Which printer allows for auto filament calibrations for up to 4 colors at a time to adjust k values, under and over extrusions?
Until you can name 1 company that can do all of that in a single system, that can be setup in minutes, with no need to tune, configure or futz with we will assume you are trolling and should be ignored.
@@AwwwSnapperz lol you just named off a bunch of gimmicky marketing shit that nobody actually uses. literally nobody uses 16 colors on a bambu lab. Its all for marketing.
Nobody prints remotely from the handy app becasue of the the inconstancy and security issues involved
The prusa MMU and even creality/anycubics systems auto load/unload filament for you lol.
Nobody adjust their K values anymore lmfao. This isn't 2019 anymore dude. Everything is so fine tuned out of the box that nobody ever needs to mess with K values.
Like you're actually shilling hard for a company that's getting its ass kicked by all of the competition and holds the record on DOA printers.
Which company is funded by IDG capitol? A venture capital bank knows for funding companies that sell user data and have the larges security breaches in history? That would be bambu lab buddy. Bambu lab is selling your data sweetheart.
Bambu lab doesn't even own their own company. Their owned by a parent company which is Tiertime 3D. At least prusa is self owned and ran and not backed by shady investors.
Which company has a 2.6 rating on trustpilot? that would be bambu lab. Shit prusa has a 4.6.
@@AwwwSnapperz How much did Bambu send you?
This is no competition. I have had the opportunity to test this printer but the direction the manufacturer is taking is just wrong. All the parameters in which it should compete are also its weaknesses. In this price range, this is an unusable printer for print farms. But I believe an architect could find a use for it.
My next printer is ratrig because of idex
First problem - it’s fraking huge!
I need quite quality prints out of PETG or better materials. Even only the the filament change keeps me away from this printer.
But I just bought my X1C 😂
Afraid it’s just too darn big for my shop
That’s fair. It is huge.
you jammy git i want 1 i bought 2 flsun printers up til now i think they should show me some love
idk man all i want is multi color man print
too big and that benchy look awfull by today's standar, just look alrigh on white because you can't see the detail but that front overhang looks bumpy lol
Slippers, rug, rubbing plastic bag... You can feel static in the air
😂
really? all that for a pre programmed benchy. oh well.
More testing in part 2…