You should have used the HyperTough right angle for the close drilling test because it gets significantly closer than the bare chuck. Also, you can put a bit into the Bosch right-angle without the bit holder attachment to make it shorter. Also, you can attach the offset driver or the drill chuck to the Bosch right-angle which makes it way more utilitarian for a lot of tasks.
Great review, subscribed. I used to have the milwaukee but eventually sold it and got the dewalt instead. The dewalt 5 in 1 driver is amazing. I prefer the grip and it has a good bit more power than the others, especially when paired with the 5.0AH battery. The milwaukee did the job for me just fine, but I wasn't a fan of the grip and the lack of a locking chuck on the right angle adapter.
I hate that I could not test the DeWalt 12 volt as well, but the budget would not permit it. Next time I will include it for sure. Thank you for watching and subscribing.
It'll change your life. These aren't the 12v from the past. I bought the original Bosch pocket driver back in 2006. It was 2 pounds and offered 80in-lb of torque and a max of 400rpm. Today, this tool weighs 1.5lbs and offers 300in-lb of torque and a max of 1700 rpm (for reference, a high-end 18v nicd drill in 2006 was often just 450in-lb). Since I've upgraded, I only pull out my 18v drill occasionally when I'm hammer drilling, doing a lot of large drilling, or lots of repetitive drilling with my pocket hole jig (where saving 0.5-1 second per hole adds up). Meanwhile, my arms thank me as I'm not growing younger. Oh, as a final note, the Bosch has quite a bit more drilling torque in high gear if you use the 6ah battery.
Well I love my bosch 12v stuff (I refer to them as the classic sports car of power tools), Hyper Tough just kind of wins against everything with their 12v line up just because price. As long as they are not terrible they just kind of are hard to dismiss and for the average person probably the best buy. I have picked up the hyper tough 12v short ratchet, palm router and 3" cutoff tool (though lets be honest its a beefy mini grinder and I love it), they are all amazing for the money. If I didn't already have a few bosch multi tools and assortment of drivers/impacts from them I would in a heartbeat pick up the whole hyper tough 12v line. Im actually eyeballing their compact reciprocating saw as I have been wanting a small one. I look forward to seeing more videos on their line up and hope to keep seeing the line up grow too!
I am going to be doing a 12 volt multi tool comparison next and a compact reciprocating saw video soon. Both of those will include the 12 volt Hyoertough line. Hyper Tough is def a good line of tools for basic usage. I use that cut off Tool a lot still.
I got 1 for Christmas a few years back from my wife, the M12, I didn’t even try it for over a year, after I tried it putting new cupboards up in our kitchen, I use it a lot now
I love my Bosch sets, I have 2 sets of the driver & impact driver kits (brushed & brushless) they have never let me down and are just so powerful for the size.
That's a great test rig u got urself. I like that its not an arm an leg to get. Keep up the great job . Lets make hyper tough great again. Or great for once.
I bought the brush version of the Bosch last year for $130 on Amazon. My thoughts was to have a compact driver for pocket holes, as the chuck on my full size drill frequently 'bruised' the wood during the installation of a pocket hole screw, even using the six inch driver. What I found was my #1 go-to drill-driver kit. I've taken it out on the road to install cabinets, actually build cabinets and just in general to have the oddball attachments necessary to a woodworker...that ONE time you need an offset or right angle attachment. As shown, the Bosch right angle head is pretty big, but in all but one case it has been just fine. I love my lil Bosch.
Love the vid. But at 15:19 you had the hex head attached to the right angle for the Bosch. But not for the Milwaukee. You can just put a bit into the right angle attachment to gain extra space. it’s has a magnetic bit holder. It would still be bigger than the Milwaukee. But it would make it smaller. I have the Bosch and HT and absolutely love the Bosch.
I think you made the right call with the Bosch. Also there's an SDS Plus attachment you can get for around $100 which would make for a nice lightweight rotary hammer in a pinch. The attachment by itself makes it a very intriguing but also versatile tool
I picked up the flexiclick for around $100. I already had an OMT but for $50 more it might be worth snagging both. I just didn’t feel I use OMTs enough as a homeowner to need a second one I have both the m12 installation driver and the Bosch. I prefer the Bosch but if you put a gun to my head, I’d make the Milwaukee work
I like bosch the best. the grip on the milwuakee is the best in my opinion. i like the drywall screwgun type grip. i feel it is underpowered and dont like the knuckle guard and felt underpowered for my purposes. magnet is actually super useful though, i wish they would put them in all drills to hold a few fasteners. bosch my favorite because of how compact it slips in my hammer holster and lives there. ive seen other reviews and the Dewalt is the strongest but i never tried it. hypertough 12v seems like a great value but my favorite is still the offset attatchment. if i didnt use tools for makin money id recomend hypertough because you can buy cheap rachets and inflators and batteries for 1/3 of the price of other brands. but the milwuakee and the bosch will still work after 7-10 yeaars, with cheaper brands sometimes only last me only 3-5 years before bateries die or motor burns out. very tempted to try their tools because of how cheap. but i doubt it would survive many drops off a ladder. with a pricey tool u can sell it used after 3-5 years for half the cost and upgrade. if the tool breaks it feels like a waste. less stuff to be disposable the better, especially tools should be made to last. realistically we cant all afford milwuakee and premium tool brands are too expensive in my opinion.
I agree with that assessment. I like the Bosch as well. It is a little beast. I mostly use the 90 degree in the shop, so I could get away with the Hyper Tough if it proved durable (likely not compared to the others). I am real impressed with the build quality of the Bosch, especially how it attached together.
It is very handy. I am still trying to decide my favorite between Bosch and M12. Every time I click the Bosch together I think about how it is so well built.
For the cost Hyper tough would work for most people. I still don’t see what I would use an installation driver for , at least for what I do. Great video Zack!
Thanks man. Crazy thing is I never used one at all and since I made this video I gave needed it. Used the 90 degree on the M12 setting up for the next video on oscillating tools.
@@HVACShopTalk i got the hypertough one just to try it cause it’s so cheap but i can’t figure out when i would ever need it. Any right angle bit will do the job just fine and takes up way less room
unfortunately your test was flawed when it came to the 90° attachments. the bosch can handle way smaller sapces when using a bit directly instead of the way you've shown here with the locking adapter. it would be a fair comparison to the milwaukee. greetings from germany
This is fantastic testing you are performing! I am curious though, why you dislike the built in charging option on the Hyper Tough batteries. In my opinion, it can be considered a win because it's one less piece of hardware to contend with. This is coming from a Milwaukee fan.
The charge time is soooooo slow that way. Its several hours on some of the batteries. That's the only reason I dislike it. If you only use the tool periodically it wouldn't be an issue.
If there are [necessary] things a tool can't do, I'd disqualify it. The Bosch, for example, is too chunky to get that right-angle attachment to work in some tight areas, so it would be useless; BUT, there are alternatives. There are 3rd-party right-angle attachments that are smaller than any of those. A flexible attachment makes the offset attachment almost irrelevant, unless you need to apply more pressure than you can with the flexible one. I think you need to do a torque test to judge the chucks; they could just have different progressions.
battery integrity to me as a consumer is an important stat, alot of things can be told about crap batteries, they work a couple times then they dont. the performance is so bad the tool can over use the battery, causing the lifespan to deplete significantly. maybe a year or two! when they can claim to us they get 10 years out of them.
interesting how much more powerful the bosch is. maybe battery life would be an interesting category to add. maybe even ergonomics, as in, vibration = wasted energy. nice video bud
@@HVACShopTalk you could look at an icharger + psu + discharge combo from someone with alot of advanced control. you could shoot 200 amps to the battery and it may only give you 30 amp charge rate, or 100 amp charge rate. they all vary
the battery will only do what it can do, you can really dance all around the limits of its amperage and discharge rates, for example flying a model drone
as far as battery dischargers i like the @@HVACShopTalk isdt fd-100 for my model rc car lipo pouches, i can set a certain amp draw on them and time the discharge, As far as the drivers in your video probably the bosch :D
lipo battery quality can be found out by the charge rate it will accept to, but then your getting really dangerous. who quality controls all the batteries, you know?
is the willfaki incredibly efficient and able to go so much further on a battery, if its brushless then no because to drive brushless you need ac current
on this comment is the milwauki designed to not burn your hand under a heavier load over a period of time. back into the ergonomics category, is burning your hand an issue
I think the price listed on the chart for the hyper tough is incorrect because of the way it was tested it wasn't tested with the 4ah battery and charger just my opinion. Still a good video thoe.
Another loss for milwakee and bosch. Yes they are a better brand but a lower less expensive brand for everyday people will always buy the less expensive.
Installing drivers must be the most useless drivers ever. One doesnt need clutch when theyve mastered their impact drivers, one can even buy an m12 or a compact driver, and buy the rest of the adapters
TTI owns Milwaukee. Milwaukee is every bit as much Chinese, if not more than the Hyper Tough. TTI is based out of Hong Kong. The Bosch is the only tool on the video that's not owned by China.
I believe the Bosch 90 deg attachment can accommodate 1 inch bits directly without using the locking attachment
Just recently got my first Bosch driver a few months ago and I am now a total Bosch convert. such a great tool.
You should have used the HyperTough right angle for the close drilling test because it gets significantly closer than the bare chuck. Also, you can put a bit into the Bosch right-angle without the bit holder attachment to make it shorter. Also, you can attach the offset driver or the drill chuck to the Bosch right-angle which makes it way more utilitarian for a lot of tasks.
Great review, subscribed.
I used to have the milwaukee but eventually sold it and got the dewalt instead. The dewalt 5 in 1 driver is amazing. I prefer the grip and it has a good bit more power than the others, especially when paired with the 5.0AH battery.
The milwaukee did the job for me just fine, but I wasn't a fan of the grip and the lack of a locking chuck on the right angle adapter.
I hate that I could not test the DeWalt 12 volt as well, but the budget would not permit it. Next time I will include it for sure.
Thank you for watching and subscribing.
Good review. I have the Bosch and really like it.
Awesome, thanks for the comment
I never thought of getting one of these drills but I can see the benefit of having one. Great video!!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video.
It'll change your life. These aren't the 12v from the past.
I bought the original Bosch pocket driver back in 2006. It was 2 pounds and offered 80in-lb of torque and a max of 400rpm. Today, this tool weighs 1.5lbs and offers 300in-lb of torque and a max of 1700 rpm (for reference, a high-end 18v nicd drill in 2006 was often just 450in-lb).
Since I've upgraded, I only pull out my 18v drill occasionally when I'm hammer drilling, doing a lot of large drilling, or lots of repetitive drilling with my pocket hole jig (where saving 0.5-1 second per hole adds up). Meanwhile, my arms thank me as I'm not growing younger.
Oh, as a final note, the Bosch has quite a bit more drilling torque in high gear if you use the 6ah battery.
Well I love my bosch 12v stuff (I refer to them as the classic sports car of power tools), Hyper Tough just kind of wins against everything with their 12v line up just because price. As long as they are not terrible they just kind of are hard to dismiss and for the average person probably the best buy. I have picked up the hyper tough 12v short ratchet, palm router and 3" cutoff tool (though lets be honest its a beefy mini grinder and I love it), they are all amazing for the money. If I didn't already have a few bosch multi tools and assortment of drivers/impacts from them I would in a heartbeat pick up the whole hyper tough 12v line. Im actually eyeballing their compact reciprocating saw as I have been wanting a small one. I look forward to seeing more videos on their line up and hope to keep seeing the line up grow too!
I am going to be doing a 12 volt multi tool comparison next and a compact reciprocating saw video soon. Both of those will include the 12 volt Hyoertough line.
Hyper Tough is def a good line of tools for basic usage. I use that cut off Tool a lot still.
I got 1 for Christmas a few years back from my wife, the M12, I didn’t even try it for over a year, after I tried it putting new cupboards up in our kitchen, I use it a lot now
Thanks for sharing, and I appreciate you watching.
I love my Bosch sets, I have 2 sets of the driver & impact driver kits (brushed & brushless) they have never let me down and are just so powerful for the size.
The Bosch is the one I have kept for myself. Still use it.
Great work testing them out and very useful results. Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the video. The Bosch model number is GSR12V-300FC. GXL12V-270B22 is the combo kit number.
They are handy for sure. I have had the Milwaukee for a couple years put a 2.5 or larger different tool.
That's a great test rig u got urself.
I like that its not an arm an leg to get. Keep up the great job . Lets make hyper tough great again. Or great for once.
If we can make hyper tough great, that would make us great and that’s good enough for me.
i can see these being useful for people who work with furniture, appliances, or other electronics
Cabinet installation as well. As a former HVAC tech I can see it being helpful in the trades as well (especially in service).
I bought the brush version of the Bosch last year for $130 on Amazon. My thoughts was to have a compact driver for pocket holes, as the chuck on my full size drill frequently 'bruised' the wood during the installation of a pocket hole screw, even using the six inch driver. What I found was my #1 go-to drill-driver kit. I've taken it out on the road to install cabinets, actually build cabinets and just in general to have the oddball attachments necessary to a woodworker...that ONE time you need an offset or right angle attachment. As shown, the Bosch right angle head is pretty big, but in all but one case it has been just fine. I love my lil Bosch.
Very good feedback, thanks for commenting.
Love the vid. But at 15:19 you had the hex head attached to the right angle for the Bosch. But not for the Milwaukee. You can just put a bit into the right angle attachment to gain extra space. it’s has a magnetic bit holder. It would still be bigger than the Milwaukee. But it would make it smaller. I have the Bosch and HT and absolutely love the Bosch.
Thanks for the tip! I like the Bosch too.
Great video man. I love these comparison videos.
Thanks man, much appreciated
You had the straight adapter on the bosch 90 angle adapter, would have fitted with it removed!
I got the hypertough and I really wish it had a locking collar.
awesome review! btw i can't unsee mr sandler while watching.
I’ll work one of his impressions into the next video
I think you made the right call with the Bosch.
Also there's an SDS Plus attachment you can get for around $100 which would make for a nice lightweight rotary hammer in a pinch. The attachment by itself makes it a very intriguing but also versatile tool
Thanks, I have been using the Bosch steady in the shop. Really like it.
Good review.
I picked up the flexiclick for around $100. I already had an OMT but for $50 more it might be worth snagging both. I just didn’t feel I use OMTs enough as a homeowner to need a second one
I have both the m12 installation driver and the Bosch. I prefer the Bosch but if you put a gun to my head, I’d make the Milwaukee work
I like bosch the best. the grip on the milwuakee is the best in my opinion. i like the drywall screwgun type grip. i feel it is underpowered and dont like the knuckle guard and felt underpowered for my purposes. magnet is actually super useful though, i wish they would put them in all drills to hold a few fasteners. bosch my favorite because of how compact it slips in my hammer holster and lives there. ive seen other reviews and the Dewalt is the strongest but i never tried it. hypertough 12v seems like a great value but my favorite is still the offset attatchment. if i didnt use tools for makin money id recomend hypertough because you can buy cheap rachets and inflators and batteries for 1/3 of the price of other brands. but the milwuakee and the bosch will still work after 7-10 yeaars, with cheaper brands sometimes only last me only 3-5 years before bateries die or motor burns out. very tempted to try their tools because of how cheap. but i doubt it would survive many drops off a ladder. with a pricey tool u can sell it used after 3-5 years for half the cost and upgrade. if the tool breaks it feels like a waste. less stuff to be disposable the better, especially tools should be made to last. realistically we cant all afford milwuakee and premium tool brands are too expensive in my opinion.
I agree with that assessment. I like the Bosch as well. It is a little beast. I mostly use the 90 degree in the shop, so I could get away with the Hyper Tough if it proved durable (likely not compared to the others). I am real impressed with the build quality of the Bosch, especially how it attached together.
Dewalt and makita and Hercules also have cordless screwdrivers...as they are called,just without the attachments.would love to see them also tested.
Yes sir!
i love THE BOSCH installation driver. i am using it everyday for maintenance/service calls in HVAC
It is very handy. I am still trying to decide my favorite between Bosch and M12. Every time I click the Bosch together I think about how it is so well built.
I'm in the milwaukee line, got the milwaukee for 109, and happy with it. But the Bosch is definitely better.
And for $35 the Hyper Tough is actually pretty good.
For the cost Hyper tough would work for most people. I still don’t see what I would use an installation driver for , at least for what I do. Great video Zack!
Thanks man. Crazy thing is I never used one at all and since I made this video I gave needed it. Used the 90 degree on the M12 setting up for the next video on oscillating tools.
@@HVACShopTalk i got the hypertough one just to try it cause it’s so cheap but i can’t figure out when i would ever need it. Any right angle bit will do the job just fine and takes up way less room
@jamesjames6202 yeah if you don’t use them very often then just keeping one of the right angle adapters around will probably do the trick
unfortunately your test was flawed when it came to the 90° attachments. the bosch can handle way smaller sapces when using a bit directly instead of the way you've shown here with the locking adapter. it would be a fair comparison to the milwaukee. greetings from germany
Yes. Another commenter mentioned that. I may revisit this in a short form video.
I have heard if you Milwaukee on Amazon they are not authorized to sell and you don’t get the warranty. Does anyone know?
I will check and see
This is fantastic testing you are performing! I am curious though, why you dislike the built in charging option on the Hyper Tough batteries. In my opinion, it can be considered a win because it's one less piece of hardware to contend with. This is coming from a Milwaukee fan.
The charge time is soooooo slow that way. Its several hours on some of the batteries. That's the only reason I dislike it. If you only use the tool periodically it wouldn't be an issue.
@@HVACShopTalk Yes, agreed. I stated that before from a DIY view. There is no rush from that perspective.
If there are [necessary] things a tool can't do, I'd disqualify it. The Bosch, for example, is too chunky to get that right-angle attachment to work in some tight areas, so it would be useless; BUT, there are alternatives. There are 3rd-party right-angle attachments that are smaller than any of those. A flexible attachment makes the offset attachment almost irrelevant, unless you need to apply more pressure than you can with the flexible one.
I think you need to do a torque test to judge the chucks; they could just have different progressions.
I thought about testing each Chuck but decided it would push the video time too far. Maybe a follow up could answer those questions
which one are you going to have to recharge first is what i want to know
battery integrity to me as a consumer is an important stat, alot of things can be told about crap batteries, they work a couple times then they dont. the performance is so bad the tool can over use the battery, causing the lifespan to deplete significantly. maybe a year or two! when they can claim to us they get 10 years out of them.
interesting how much more powerful the bosch is. maybe battery life would be an interesting category to add. maybe even ergonomics, as in, vibration = wasted energy. nice video bud
I purchased a device for measuring vibration that I will use in my next comparison video. Thanks for the suggestions.
@@HVACShopTalk you could look at an icharger + psu + discharge combo from someone with alot of advanced control. you could shoot 200 amps to the battery and it may only give you 30 amp charge rate, or 100 amp charge rate. they all vary
the battery will only do what it can do, you can really dance all around the limits of its amperage and discharge rates, for example flying a model drone
maybe the drone community would be a better place to look than me
charge amperage*
battery quality can have alot to do with performance, theres lots of different dischargers on the market for a cheap easy test
As I do more of these videos I will acquire more testing equipment. Thanks for the suggestion. What model would you endorse?
as far as battery dischargers i like the @@HVACShopTalk isdt fd-100 for my model rc car lipo pouches, i can set a certain amp draw on them and time the discharge, As far as the drivers in your video probably the bosch :D
plus that discharger is more safe to use because its going to auto detect the lipo cells and not over discharge them all magicly
that may only bring you down to storage voltage as well, to completely drain the packs i would get ISDT D2 Mark 2 LiPo Battery Balance Charger
lipo battery quality can be found out by the charge rate it will accept to, but then your getting really dangerous. who quality controls all the batteries, you know?
Nice
is the willfaki incredibly efficient and able to go so much further on a battery, if its brushless then no because to drive brushless you need ac current
on this comment is the milwauki designed to not burn your hand under a heavier load over a period of time. back into the ergonomics category, is burning your hand an issue
how hot does that ole sap sucker get
batteries show heat when their stressed as well
you block the flow of air to the fan on the rotor :( boooo
a brushless setup tends to produce less heat under load over a period of time, imo
I am impressed with the Hyper Tough for $34.88
Yea, it’s pretty good for 35
I think the price listed on the chart for the hyper tough is incorrect because of the way it was tested it wasn't tested with the 4ah battery and charger just my opinion. Still a good video thoe.
It was priced for the 4 AH, your right. I prefer using the four.
@@HVACShopTalk I agree maybe a rematch with all having a 4ah and tested with the 4ah just a thought.
cant go wrong with bosch.
It performed very well
Another loss for milwakee and bosch. Yes they are a better brand but a lower less expensive brand for everyday people will always buy the less expensive.
Installing drivers must be the most useless drivers ever. One doesnt need clutch when theyve mastered their impact drivers, one can even buy an m12 or a compact driver, and buy the rest of the adapters
Hyper tough..Chinese junk at its finest..yes please I’d like beef and brocorri with my rice thank you
TTI owns Milwaukee. Milwaukee is every bit as much Chinese, if not more than the Hyper Tough. TTI is based out of Hong Kong.
The Bosch is the only tool on the video that's not owned by China.