While it's more obvious when you're using an unballanced cable, I suggest you do an A/B test with a cheap balanced cable and a mogami cable (as an example)
The law of diminishing returns usually refers to the phenomenon where beyond a certain point increased investment (of money, time, etc.) leads to smaller and smaller improvements of performance.
1. So essentially you misunderstood something on the packaging, and now you hold the manufacturer responsible? Yeah, that's what grown-ups do, sure. 2. Who said that cheaper is better? Nobody? Right. But - surprise! - there actually is stuff with better or worse value-for-money ratios. 3. Some 30 years ago (and more) you could actually get really, really bad stuff at the low end. Today, you can get a guitar at about 200 $/€/£ that would be quite fine for a beginner, and even if you later add better pick-ups and tuners it will still be cheaper than the high-price stuff and do the job for a lot of us. Your experiences from way-back-when does not always still apply. 4. Bass: Just check out John Entwistle. Nuff said. But I fully agree with "the problem might be you"!
1. That's funny. What do you think about US McDonald's practices when it comes to making a company and naming it "100% Beef" and then plastering it's logo on their products? That's literally the same marketing practice. 2. Obviously, there are a ton of great products that are cheaper than the ones made by the top brands, but you obviously didn't watch enough product review videos on youtube. 3. While this is true (I got my ex-girlfriend a guitar for the same amount of money as my first guitar 30 years ago), it is also very true that buying cheap stuff will make you buy the same thing at least twice. As an example, in this video studio I had a cheap Steinberg interface, which I replaced with a mid-range mackie interface because it sounded bad. But then I realized that I can't hear the nuances in whatever I was doing, so I got a RME UCX II, and even though it's not the same quality as my main RME ADI2 pro FSR, it sounds really really good for the money. 4. That doesn't bring anything to the conversation, and you're saying stuff just to say stuff. 5. Glad that we agree on something.
@@GrumpyEyeAudio 1. Huh? I was referring to the "Class A incident" where Behringer wrote "Class A" on the box because they used a "Class A" circuitry, and you believed that was a sign of quality. (BTW: The Vox AC 30 uses Class A circuitry too, and it omits the feedback path common in other power amps, resulting in a "completely wild" amplification, which creates it's sound. Great for guitar, but you wouldn't want that in a stereo.) 2. I must have missed all those that said "cheaper is better" and only found those that said "cheap can be enough". My fault, obviously. 3. Here I partially agree. Typically, at the low end modest increases in price can yield comparatively large increases in value / quality, while at the high end the reverse is true: The last few percents of quality will cost amounts that are absurd except for die-hards. 4. John Entwistle had a great sound, and no risk of muddling anything - and he had a very hard finger attack, sounding almost as if he played with a pick. IMHO the main problem in the bass region is assigning roles for the instruments, e.g.: Bass guitar provides the low end, bass drum does the kick, keyboards stay out! Or: Bass drum does low end, bass guitar focuses on (high-)mids. Regarding mids: I played in amateur bands with two guitar players (humbucker guitars into Marshalls). I played my bass through a 15" speaker, that helped sorting out the mid frequencies quite well :) 5. Hey, I'm not your enemy - just pointing out some inaccuracies and false generalisations in my best "German-who-is-actually-son-of-a-schoolmaster" fashion! ;) Cheers!
Great video! I feel like you hit a nerve where I agree with all of your assessments. I've been producing since 1998 and am completely self taught. One reason I enjoy the process of production is because it's a challenge to me and I love a good challenge. I am also musically inclined so eventually I started composing, but not before learning production/mixing/mastering. Anyway, keep it up
Hi ! from Germany. I use a cheap ZOOM GCE-3 ( 89€) and an AKG Lyra Microphone ( sale 89€, too ) Presonus ERiS 4.5 Monitor - both have good specs, and, until today i don´t need other gear for home - the limitations are the human....
My great grandfather owned a green coffee cup that he stole from an old African American man. He saw the old African American man leave church one day and lock the green coffee cup in his Oldsmobile, so when the coast was clear, great grandpa busted the window of the car with a brick and absconded with the cup. When many years later we asked him if he felt badly about having stolen the cup, he just laughed and laughed and laughed. But it wasn't a mischievous laugh, it was maniacal and demonic and utterly frightening. Then he became quiet, but he held the smile on his face for 45 minutes. Just staring forward, silent, but with that unnerving smile on his face. When our great grandma asked him if he was okay, he finally spoke, and in a deep, devilish voice he said, "Hail Satan" over and over again. He must have said it 40 to 50 times. Then he walked out of the front door and never returned. He was 91yo and neither we nor anyone we know ever saw him again.
What was the scam on the first one? It would be a scam if manufacturer of the amp does not tell the customer in what class it operates. On paper class A is highest fidelity and many prefer the sound of class A over the others.
@@GrumpyEyeAudio Thank you for the suggestion 😊 I watched the first segment again. I still disagree that it was a scam/ shady tactics. One of the most important spec to tell to the customer is what class amplifier is. If a customer misunderstand what class A means, it is not Behringers fault. Class A is usually best for sound quality, but it is least efficient. It also generates least amount of distortion. Class A/B is 60% more efficient, but generates more distortion. Class D is super efficient, but generates huge amount of distortion and needs alot of filters and other additional parts in the signal path to sound good.
I'm from Serbia. Contracts may differ from country to country, and they 100% differ from publisher to publisher. As an example, Serbia didn't have access to iTunes and the streaming services 7-8 years ago. I was signed to a publisher that pushed the streaming services revenue first. Unfortunately, they were not very interested in promoting their artists, even though they were contractually obligated to do so. So I broke the contract off and I published my whole discography on my own through distrokid. That said, we still have a ton of things unregulated here in Serbia (compared to US or EU), including mechanical rights. So I can't really talk about that.
Sure, it would be fantastic if everyone had a producer, mixing engineer, recording engineer...all this. But in many cases people have to be happy if they even have money to pay mixing engineer. It falls on the shoulders of the mixing engineer to do the best they can to fix whatever they can. Can't fix reality. Have to accept it.
That is very true. But from my experience, artists tend to only hire the "top" producers instead of hiring smaller ones that know what they're doing and have acquired a taste for the music that is being made. Some times, just having a different set of ears can help the song out. From experience, tracks that were sent to me to get mixed always ended up sounding worse than the tracks that I've produced myself. Not because I was slacking, but because the recordings were sub-par, and the arrangements themselves were not that great. Sometimes you get pleasantly surprised, for sure. But, unfortunately, that is rare.
Thanks for the video! 😃 But hope to see more of a "i use that", "how is i use that", "that's nice" - videos instead of "rant"-videos. But this is just my opinion ... ... keep on going! ❤
Couldn't even get through the first 2 minutes, class A amplification is not inherently any worse or better and the choice to call it class A has nothing to do with making it seem more premium, it's more or less just in order of when they were introduced. It just so happens class D is more efficient and it's further up the alphabet.
Disagree with cable quality being a weakest link towards sound. A coat hanger can sound just as good as a $40 cable...
While it's more obvious when you're using an unballanced cable, I suggest you do an A/B test with a cheap balanced cable and a mogami cable (as an example)
@@GrumpyEyeAudio yeah, that has been done several times and cables are mostly a joke. Sold them for 4 decades.
@@GrumpyEyeAudioits common knowledge that different cables do not affect the sound in any noticable way.
@@morbidmanmusicyou sold Mogami cables? Damn
@@solidkeys I might have to do an A/B and a null test just for you.. and then you'll find a problem with that too I guess
The law of diminishing returns usually refers to the phenomenon where beyond a certain point increased investment (of money, time, etc.) leads to smaller and smaller improvements of performance.
@@WindigoMac I know, I could of explained it better. I've heard people use that term in a $500 to $1000 range
1. So essentially you misunderstood something on the packaging, and now you hold the manufacturer responsible? Yeah, that's what grown-ups do, sure.
2. Who said that cheaper is better? Nobody? Right. But - surprise! - there actually is stuff with better or worse value-for-money ratios.
3. Some 30 years ago (and more) you could actually get really, really bad stuff at the low end. Today, you can get a guitar at about 200 $/€/£ that would be quite fine for a beginner, and even if you later add better pick-ups and tuners it will still be cheaper than the high-price stuff and do the job for a lot of us. Your experiences from way-back-when does not always still apply.
4. Bass: Just check out John Entwistle. Nuff said.
But I fully agree with "the problem might be you"!
1. That's funny. What do you think about US McDonald's practices when it comes to making a company and naming it "100% Beef" and then plastering it's logo on their products?
That's literally the same marketing practice.
2. Obviously, there are a ton of great products that are cheaper than the ones made by the top brands, but you obviously didn't watch enough product review videos on youtube.
3. While this is true (I got my ex-girlfriend a guitar for the same amount of money as my first guitar 30 years ago), it is also very true that buying cheap stuff will make you buy the same thing at least twice. As an example, in this video studio I had a cheap Steinberg interface, which I replaced with a mid-range mackie interface because it sounded bad. But then I realized that I can't hear the nuances in whatever I was doing, so I got a RME UCX II, and even though it's not the same quality as my main RME ADI2 pro FSR, it sounds really really good for the money.
4. That doesn't bring anything to the conversation, and you're saying stuff just to say stuff.
5. Glad that we agree on something.
@@GrumpyEyeAudio 1. Huh? I was referring to the "Class A incident" where Behringer wrote "Class A" on the box because they used a "Class A" circuitry, and you believed that was a sign of quality. (BTW: The Vox AC 30 uses Class A circuitry too, and it omits the feedback path common in other power amps, resulting in a "completely wild" amplification, which creates it's sound. Great for guitar, but you wouldn't want that in a stereo.)
2. I must have missed all those that said "cheaper is better" and only found those that said "cheap can be enough". My fault, obviously.
3. Here I partially agree. Typically, at the low end modest increases in price can yield comparatively large increases in value / quality, while at the high end the reverse is true: The last few percents of quality will cost amounts that are absurd except for die-hards.
4. John Entwistle had a great sound, and no risk of muddling anything - and he had a very hard finger attack, sounding almost as if he played with a pick. IMHO the main problem in the bass region is assigning roles for the instruments, e.g.: Bass guitar provides the low end, bass drum does the kick, keyboards stay out! Or: Bass drum does low end, bass guitar focuses on (high-)mids.
Regarding mids: I played in amateur bands with two guitar players (humbucker guitars into Marshalls). I played my bass through a 15" speaker, that helped sorting out the mid frequencies quite well :)
5. Hey, I'm not your enemy - just pointing out some inaccuracies and false generalisations in my best "German-who-is-actually-son-of-a-schoolmaster" fashion! ;)
Cheers!
3. And of course the secret is to find the sweet spot between low-end and high-end.
@@carstenhardt1589 Stop being logical! :)
Great video! I feel like you hit a nerve where I agree with all of your assessments. I've been producing since 1998 and am completely self taught. One reason I enjoy the process of production is because it's a challenge to me and I love a good challenge. I am also musically inclined so eventually I started composing, but not before learning production/mixing/mastering. Anyway, keep it up
thank you very much :)
Hi ! from Germany. I use a cheap ZOOM GCE-3 ( 89€) and an AKG Lyra Microphone ( sale 89€, too ) Presonus ERiS 4.5 Monitor - both have good specs, and, until today i don´t need other gear for home - the limitations are the human....
My great grandfather owned a green coffee cup that he stole from an old African American man. He saw the old African American man leave church one day and lock the green coffee cup in his Oldsmobile, so when the coast was clear, great grandpa busted the window of the car with a brick and absconded with the cup. When many years later we asked him if he felt badly about having stolen the cup, he just laughed and laughed and laughed. But it wasn't a mischievous laugh, it was maniacal and demonic and utterly frightening. Then he became quiet, but he held the smile on his face for 45 minutes. Just staring forward, silent, but with that unnerving smile on his face. When our great grandma asked him if he was okay, he finally spoke, and in a deep, devilish voice he said, "Hail Satan" over and over again. He must have said it 40 to 50 times. Then he walked out of the front door and never returned. He was 91yo and neither we nor anyone we know ever saw him again.
dang
Suuuuuuuuuuuure
What in the hell did I just read?
“Dearer” means expensive…
What was the scam on the first one? It would be a scam if manufacturer of the amp does not tell the customer in what class it operates. On paper class A is highest fidelity and many prefer the sound of class A over the others.
I suggest you rewatch that first segment again :)
@@GrumpyEyeAudio Thank you for the suggestion 😊 I watched the first segment again. I still disagree that it was a scam/ shady tactics. One of the most important spec to tell to the customer is what class amplifier is. If a customer misunderstand what class A means, it is not Behringers fault.
Class A is usually best for sound quality, but it is least efficient. It also generates least amount of distortion. Class A/B is 60% more efficient, but generates more distortion. Class D is super efficient, but generates huge amount of distortion and needs alot of filters and other additional parts in the signal path to sound good.
Being uninformed is not a scam. 😂
Titles video "7 biggest LIES in the music industry." doesn't talk about contracts AT ALL :)
I'm from Serbia. Contracts may differ from country to country, and they 100% differ from publisher to publisher. As an example, Serbia didn't have access to iTunes and the streaming services 7-8 years ago. I was signed to a publisher that pushed the streaming services revenue first. Unfortunately, they were not very interested in promoting their artists, even though they were contractually obligated to do so. So I broke the contract off and I published my whole discography on my own through distrokid. That said, we still have a ton of things unregulated here in Serbia (compared to US or EU), including mechanical rights. So I can't really talk about that.
Sure, it would be fantastic if everyone had a producer, mixing engineer, recording engineer...all this. But in many cases people have to be happy if they even have money to pay mixing engineer. It falls on the shoulders of the mixing engineer to do the best they can to fix whatever they can. Can't fix reality. Have to accept it.
That is very true. But from my experience, artists tend to only hire the "top" producers instead of hiring smaller ones that know what they're doing and have acquired a taste for the music that is being made. Some times, just having a different set of ears can help the song out.
From experience, tracks that were sent to me to get mixed always ended up sounding worse than the tracks that I've produced myself. Not because I was slacking, but because the recordings were sub-par, and the arrangements themselves were not that great. Sometimes you get pleasantly surprised, for sure. But, unfortunately, that is rare.
I love Behringer and I own like three products from them but that’s about it a xenyx a td3mo and provs
I dunno man, I'm a fan of class As
Thanks for the video! 😃
But hope to see more of a "i use that", "how is i use that", "that's nice" - videos instead of "rant"-videos. But this is just my opinion ...
... keep on going! ❤
@@solatis6385 oh, of course. I just had to get this off of my chest. :)
Ahh the good old cymbals... 😅
Heavy handed crashes are just there to brighten my day xD
I know right :)
Couldn't even get through the first 2 minutes, class A amplification is not inherently any worse or better and the choice to call it class A has nothing to do with making it seem more premium, it's more or less just in order of when they were introduced. It just so happens class D is more efficient and it's further up the alphabet.
@@mateostenberg while this is true, you have missed the point. you should go back to watching tiktoks I guess
Yes. This is the point he was making. It would help if you watched the video beyond two minutes. Try it?
@@timspencer1 then tell him the point rather than hack him. both you and the page owner left it hanging.
@@GrumpyEyeAudioI apologize for the abrasion, but you didn't need to come back with more. We're adults here, I just made a silly comment.
if you're looking for feedback I would suggest putting more "breaks" in the video where you be showing something instead of telling.
there was so much to talk about here that I didn't have enough time to show everything. But thanks for the feedback, that's always appreciated. :)
Roland is trash scam nowadays 100percent
Sinse what year it's trash? Or you are just mad for some reason?
What an incoherent mess of contradictory statements.
Thanks, super interesting
This should be interesting
did you learn something new? :)
interessting
Actually' S class is higher haha #nms