The older demo can be seen here: ruclips.net/video/DYkPUmyWmXc/видео.html The available fighters take more damage and are more aggressive. Which do you feel is the better version?
Heads up: long text ahead, I didn't expect to write so much lol. I just wish there was more strategy to the game. In Punch out you had counterpunching, punishing enemy punches and even entire strategies that could defeat an enemy extremely fast. They were hard to execute, but extremely rewarding to learn about an (don flamenco's combo for example). In this game you don't really have to look out for an enemy's moves, they attack rareöy and you can mostly just attack right off the bat, they don't even block you or anything. Because of this, the fights are extremely short because you just punch the enemy without getting punished and occasionally dodge. Paired with the lack of impactful punches and honestly, the fairly boring characters... this game is just a really barenones version of a punch out game. I'm sure a lot of work went into it, but if the game even wants to get close to how satisfying punch out felt to play, there needs to be a loooot more work put into balancing and tweaking the fights. I hope this game can become the pizza tower of punch out tho and will keep looking into development :)
@@redfireddragon8584THIS! SO MUCH THIS! This is pretty much how I feel about the game after beating the demo the day it came out. The only fight that actually felt like a Punch Out fight was the one with Trigger Happy but, it was way too fucking short for me to enjoy it. Also, something really cool that they could have done Freezey Boy's phase 2 was to actually make him decent challenge as a way to teach the player to pay attention and not just spam punches until you win. Hell, they could've made his phase 2 an actually hard fight to shatter all expectations. If they did that, I would have immediately been sold on the game. Sadly, the game isn't anywhere near what I want from a Punch Out-like game. That said, I hope the devs make the improvements that the people who are interested want. I hope everyone who want to play the game have a fun and satisfying time with it when it eventually comes out.
It's kinda sad that the bosses really arent very tough once you have them sorted out. I hope the devs add a sort of "retro mode" that makes the game play a little more like Punch Out, letting the fighters get up so you can at least get a little more fight out of them
I think it's because you as the player only have 3 HP, which means you HAVE to get these guys as fast as you can, otherwise you'll be in a world of hurt, but it would be nice to have some fighters get up, kind of like Coach Skank's fight where sometimes if you knock him down with a sliver of health he comes back in full HP
It's kinda dumb how you can hit bosses whenever and not just like a short period after they whiff or right before an attack, that was the whole idea of Punchout. I do much enjoy the amount of charm this game has though.
Yea, you can probably just spam attack and already take out a big amount of health until they even start attacking you. But it's fine, because don't forget that this is just a demo.
I'm a bit worried about the difficulty of this game as most of the bosses can really only throw 1-3 attacks before you knock them out which seeing as you it takes 3 hits before you go down, means you're in no threat of losing. The last 3 are the only ones who are tanky enough to throw more than 3 attacks with coach skank only having 2 attacks, trigger happy is very simple once you understand what's going on, and titanic 5000 being really the only boss I struggled with for more than 10 mins.
They were tankier and more aggressive in the old version so I'm hoping the default difficult gets reverted to that (or selectable difficulty lets you have something like the old version or harder). I wonder if the real "difficulty" is supposed to be through the challenges which some of them can be difficult to do but some can be tough to understand what the exact trigger it for is. One change in the newer version I like is that Ice Cold Killer's roar after finishing transformation prevents you from just using a thunder punch like in the old version to get some good damage in.
Each boss but coach stank fell within 30 seconds. I hope for the full game, make all the bosses much harder with second stages, or else this won't be worth it to play. Add a blocking gimic or something for the bosses so they dont go down so easily.
I really don't understand why the bosses (aside from coach skank) never block or dodge and just sit there eating damage. The original punchout's concept is about finding openings in guards, all this just ends up being is a sandbag hittting contest. I'm honestly not impressed and hope the big rework they shown off is gonna fix a lot of this.
@@CrankyTemplar Or it could be a normal or easy mode like a similar game Thunder Ray that had 3 difficulty levels for most of the fights (Final boss only is on hard mode and the street fighter in the DLC is also only on hard) and the fights on Beast mode are incredibly harder than contender and rookie so maybe this game will have something similar to Thunder Ray and remember, (I don’t think Javi Rico had a difficulty level in the demo so don’t lose hope yet)
Random as hell buffs for the fighters that I got (This is humor): Freezy Boy gets 40% less damage from basic punches but 50% more from thunderpunches. Ice Cold Killer gets 50% less damage from basic punches but 40% more from thunderpunches. Mr. Adyltmen gets a little shield of 10% of his max health when a kid is plop out (The shield receives a extreme nerf of 75% less damage from any attack). If you don't plop out, well, Mr. Adyltmen will get an 50% firerate boost at 50% health. Wild Dude will get a 25% damage reduction from any attacks when dazed. Will Dude will also get a slight shield of 10% when 24% of the health is lost. (The shield takes 60% less damage). Jim Chad will start off with invicibility for 3 seconds, after that, normal punches will do 45% less damage to him and thunderpunches deal 60% less damage to him. Coach Skank will recover 10% of his health when he loses 25% of his max health (Spammable). Trigger Happy will receive 10% less damage at 80%, 30% less damage at 50% health and 60% less damage at 20% health. Titanic 5000 will receive an insane 120% more damage from thunderpunches but 50% less damage from basic punches.
Freezy Boy and Ice Cold Killer need a little buff so Freezy Boy can take 40% less damage to normal attacks but 50% more from thunderpunches. And Ice Cold Killer 50% less damage from basic attacks but 40% more from thunderpunches.
Freezy Boy and Mr. Adyltmen are the only characters with their own intro music (being deconstructed variants of their own themes) Everyone elses uses a different character's fight music for their intro. Wild Dude uses a melody from the D.T.R. Boss' theme. Jim Chad uses an unedited version of Buster Super's theme. Coach Skank uses the beat of Chef Diesel's theme. Trigger Happy uses Jim Chad's theme. And lastly, like Wild Dude, Titanic 5000 uses the backing track for the D.T.R. Boss' theme.
Played through this demo last night. It looks beautiful but definitely feels off when playing it. A lot of attacks seem unreactable so the only way to avoid them is to know they're coming from retries. Titanic's fall down move should have a few more frames of startup to take into account that you may already be in the middle of a whiffed punch.
@@CrankyTemplar Yeah. Even in that demo, it felt like the bosses died way too fast. Even the longer boss fights flew by and we never really got to see much of their character
Ironically despite the hardest challenge is the one for Titanic 5000 which has you purposely elongate the time it takes to fight him due to how quick these bosses take, and since the game also has upgrades for Thunder JR, I think this’ll be a problem in the future if they don’t do balancing to make the bosses an actual challenge
I just realized why the fights are so fast compared to the punch out games. This game doesn't have any knockout system. I wonder if they can implement that without ruining their current game design
Seems like you just spam punch and the enemy doesn't even get to attack? Very cool visuals and I love the fighter concepts but they might as well be punching bags, why can't they block? Lol
The concept and art/animation for this game had me pretty excited, but honestly, the gameplay… just looks like complete shit. I'm sorry, but it barely looks more complicated than a clicker game. The bosses have no HP and die in literal seconds, and just stand there doing absolutely nothing letting you hit them, and it barely seems like there's any real strategy or timing to when or where to hit them, which was the defining feature of Punch Out. I'm really hoping there's something important I'm missing here, because if this is actually just how the game is supposed to be, that is extremely disappointing.
The older demo had them with more health and aggressiveness, so it might be they tweaked things a bit too easy for this one. Or they might be aiming for variable difficulty in the full game. I'm definitely hoping the full game is more challenging as even though you could KO opponents in Super Punch Out in seconds if you knew exactly what to do it's easy to do the same just button mashing here.
I dunno if this is still the case, but if this is the last demo, the game still needs work. It's pretty, has good sound design, and looks somewhat entertaining, but there's not much of a strategy element to it, and opponents being able to get up from any assault feels boring.
I really like the style and concept but man this game really ends up being “punch out but every fighter has don flamenco’s infinite combo.” They really gotta work on making the fights less of a joke and making dodging actually worth while outside of the 3 or so fights that force you to dodge
The older demo can be seen here: ruclips.net/video/DYkPUmyWmXc/видео.html
The available fighters take more damage and are more aggressive. Which do you feel is the better version?
I think the older version was better because the fights now feel way too short
@@vlalcremie002 Likewise, I'm hoping if they keep the current difficulty as default there's selectable difficulty that keeps it more at the old level.
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Heads up: long text ahead, I didn't expect to write so much lol.
I just wish there was more strategy to the game. In Punch out you had counterpunching, punishing enemy punches and even entire strategies that could defeat an enemy extremely fast. They were hard to execute, but extremely rewarding to learn about an (don flamenco's combo for example). In this game you don't really have to look out for an enemy's moves, they attack rareöy and you can mostly just attack right off the bat, they don't even block you or anything. Because of this, the fights are extremely short because you just punch the enemy without getting punished and occasionally dodge. Paired with the lack of impactful punches and honestly, the fairly boring characters... this game is just a really barenones version of a punch out game. I'm sure a lot of work went into it, but if the game even wants to get close to how satisfying punch out felt to play, there needs to be a loooot more work put into balancing and tweaking the fights. I hope this game can become the pizza tower of punch out tho and will keep looking into development :)
@@redfireddragon8584THIS! SO MUCH THIS! This is pretty much how I feel about the game after beating the demo the day it came out. The only fight that actually felt like a Punch Out fight was the one with Trigger Happy but, it was way too fucking short for me to enjoy it. Also, something really cool that they could have done Freezey Boy's phase 2 was to actually make him decent challenge as a way to teach the player to pay attention and not just spam punches until you win. Hell, they could've made his phase 2 an actually hard fight to shatter all expectations. If they did that, I would have immediately been sold on the game. Sadly, the game isn't anywhere near what I want from a Punch Out-like game. That said, I hope the devs make the improvements that the people who are interested want. I hope everyone who want to play the game have a fun and satisfying time with it when it eventually comes out.
Jim Chad: I'm stronger, I'm smarter! I'm better... I'M BETTER!
**literally loses faster than anybody else would**
even faster than wild dude
@@wraithy_harhakuvatrue
And faster than Mr.Adyltmen@@wraithy_harhakuva
Even faster than freeze boy/ice cold killer
@@Lego-Android16Freeze boy has a transition so doesn't count.
Jim Chad is the type of guy to die first in a horror movie
But hes not black
@TC-tn5hj
??? Dude, what?
@@Failed_ByProxy that’s the rule, black ppl die first in horror movies
@@TC-tn5hj 📸😳
Jim Chad acts like Johnny Bravo
Bumbles Mcfumbles is gonna have a field day counting the infractions of these guys.
Yes sir
We have 2 Aron Ryan’s already
From other people counting infractions and my own observations, I believe Mr. Adyltmen and Titanic 5000 are the biggest cheaters so far
Honestly, Trigger Happy is looking to be the with the most infractions.
I think growing extreme muscles because people saw your toupé is illegal in boxing
It's kinda sad that the bosses really arent very tough once you have them sorted out. I hope the devs add a sort of "retro mode" that makes the game play a little more like Punch Out, letting the fighters get up so you can at least get a little more fight out of them
I think it's because you as the player only have 3 HP, which means you HAVE to get these guys as fast as you can, otherwise you'll be in a world of hurt, but it would be nice to have some fighters get up, kind of like Coach Skank's fight where sometimes if you knock him down with a sliver of health he comes back in full HP
They are tough if you don't time right or act fast enough or you miss play hard
I think something similar is planned in the full release. Remember that it is just a demo.
It really does feel like you’re able to wail on these bosses for way too long without being interrupted
I think that the easiest way to make this feel more like a game is to have every boss be more aggressive
"No kids allowed."
Oh, so I guess that girl is just VERY VERY short?
Yup, people like that funny enough exist, they are small but have adult face on them lol
My guess is that it's a Mary Dahl/Baby Doll situation and Trigger Happy IS an adult, just a very short one
Nah she beat the man that said "no kids allowed"
I'm just imagining that one of the bouncers tried to stop her and then got the Harley Quinn treatment with that big ass hammer.
You gonna argue with that hammer?
Ice cold killer going down after two attacks is crazy
Ice cold killer? more like water hot pacifist
@@nycity197XD
Bosses when they got nerfed:
It's kinda dumb how you can hit bosses whenever and not just like a short period after they whiff or right before an attack, that was the whole idea of Punchout.
I do much enjoy the amount of charm this game has though.
maybe they will make them block more in the future? (Similarly to Tyson punch out's Glass joe?)
Charm alone doesn't make a game good, but I see where you're coming from.
Yea, you can probably just spam attack and already take out a big amount of health until they even start attacking you. But it's fine, because don't forget that this is just a demo.
To be fair, In the Wii Punch-Out, there are many tricks to get the opponent in a stun-lock and constantly hit them. Most famous is Don Flamenco.
7:04 the sync goes hard
True
trigger happy is basically a tinkatoon
She's one of those "ladies with big hammer" archetypes
@@endertheinkling8249 a favorite archytpe of me
@@endertheinkling8249shes a girl or a minor i think
ah yes amy rose.
shoutout to women with extremely oversized weapons, gotta be one of my favorite genders
I'm a bit worried about the difficulty of this game as most of the bosses can really only throw 1-3 attacks before you knock them out which seeing as you it takes 3 hits before you go down, means you're in no threat of losing. The last 3 are the only ones who are tanky enough to throw more than 3 attacks with coach skank only having 2 attacks, trigger happy is very simple once you understand what's going on, and titanic 5000 being really the only boss I struggled with for more than 10 mins.
They were tankier and more aggressive in the old version so I'm hoping the default difficult gets reverted to that (or selectable difficulty lets you have something like the old version or harder). I wonder if the real "difficulty" is supposed to be through the challenges which some of them can be difficult to do but some can be tough to understand what the exact trigger it for is.
One change in the newer version I like is that Ice Cold Killer's roar after finishing transformation prevents you from just using a thunder punch like in the old version to get some good damage in.
i hope they buff wild dude
@@wraithy_harhakuva We need him to unleash his wild side.
@@CrankyTemplaryes
@@wraithy_harhakuvaFr, Wild Dude needs resistance to idk... Thunderpunches?
Each boss but coach stank fell within 30 seconds. I hope for the full game, make all the bosses much harder with second stages, or else this won't be worth it to play. Add a blocking gimic or something for the bosses so they dont go down so easily.
I really don't understand why the bosses (aside from coach skank) never block or dodge and just sit there eating damage. The original punchout's concept is about finding openings in guards, all this just ends up being is a sandbag hittting contest. I'm honestly not impressed and hope the big rework they shown off is gonna fix a lot of this.
The earlier demo did have them be more aggressive so I hope the lower difficulty was a temporary change.
@@CrankyTemplar Or it could be a normal or easy mode like a similar game Thunder Ray that had 3 difficulty levels for most of the fights (Final boss only is on hard mode and the street fighter in the DLC is also only on hard) and the fights on Beast mode are incredibly harder than contender and rookie so maybe this game will have something similar to Thunder Ray and remember, (I don’t think Javi Rico had a difficulty level in the demo so don’t lose hope yet)
Isn't Trigger Happy just Darla Dimple? 😂
Yep that’s right
One of the best decisions in gaming history
Pretty much. But hey, it's a good call back to one of Warner Brothers' old films that's still held close to a few people's hearts
Thank you. I was about to say that.
Who the hell is Darla Dimple!?
Skank's "hugadaha" is ingrained into my brain and I hate it.
5:25 *the lesson that freezy boy just got handed to from trigger happy was no matter how small or cute it is it is also deadly!*
She's letralyevery spoiled 4yrs
@@Snowy_Coldik I’m 6 months late, I’m still gonna do it
“Erm, Actually, it’s spelt Literally 🤓👆”
I like how Trigger Happy looks like Darla Dimple from Cats Don't Dance
2:16 the rats saw his Ding-a-ling... 💀
Whatwhy
Where wdym
Verbalase quitted beat box and joined a boxing competition
left beatbox, joined box
@@WhymeRhe went from beatbox to Beating in boxing
He needed to earn back the 50k
He's titanic 5000
If Nintendo isn't gonna make a new Punch-Out, the fans will.
I love the fact that trigger happy's hammer actually blinking whenever smashed to floor, showing a bit cartoonish and councious hammer
Random as hell buffs for the fighters that I got (This is humor):
Freezy Boy gets 40% less damage from basic punches but 50% more from thunderpunches.
Ice Cold Killer gets 50% less damage from basic punches but 40% more from thunderpunches.
Mr. Adyltmen gets a little shield of 10% of his max health when a kid is plop out (The shield receives a extreme nerf of 75% less damage from any attack).
If you don't plop out, well, Mr. Adyltmen will get an 50% firerate boost at 50% health.
Wild Dude will get a 25% damage reduction from any attacks when dazed.
Will Dude will also get a slight shield of 10% when 24% of the health is lost. (The shield takes 60% less damage).
Jim Chad will start off with invicibility for 3 seconds, after that, normal punches will do 45% less damage to him and thunderpunches deal 60% less damage to him.
Coach Skank will recover 10% of his health when he loses 25% of his max health (Spammable).
Trigger Happy will receive 10% less damage at 80%, 30% less damage at 50% health and 60% less damage at 20% health.
Titanic 5000 will receive an insane 120% more damage from thunderpunches but 50% less damage from basic punches.
Adyltmen is probably one of the unique bosses I've seen
freezy boy > ice cold killer
healthbar melts all the same lol
Freezy Boy and Ice Cold Killer need a little buff so Freezy Boy can take 40% less damage to normal attacks but 50% more from thunderpunches.
And Ice Cold Killer 50% less damage from basic attacks but 40% more from thunderpunches.
That's a bit *COLD*
Ngl the devs gotta make the bosses way more aggressive but still a great game
Freezy Boy and Titanic 5000 are literally Glass Joe and King Hippo
Xd
6:43 Badlands Chugs reference?
Trigger Happy is just the most hardest character ever, she's so aggresive, that she's unpredictable, & just repeatedly hitting you.
I though Titanic 5000 was hard since he has many attack yet large health
@Soldier_gaming539 Meanwhile Trigger Happy is just unpredictable, not knowing when will she strike with those hammers.
Those were perfectly timed punches 7:04
I just noticed all of the cutscenes are relaxed instrumentals of the boxer themes, though only FreezyBoy and Mr. adyltmans are theirs.
Titanic 5000 sync goes hard
True
Freezy Boy and Mr. Adyltmen are the only characters with their own intro music (being deconstructed variants of their own themes)
Everyone elses uses a different character's fight music for their intro.
Wild Dude uses a melody from the D.T.R. Boss' theme.
Jim Chad uses an unedited version of Buster Super's theme.
Coach Skank uses the beat of Chef Diesel's theme.
Trigger Happy uses Jim Chad's theme.
And lastly, like Wild Dude, Titanic 5000 uses the backing track for the D.T.R. Boss' theme.
Played through this demo last night. It looks beautiful but definitely feels off when playing it. A lot of attacks seem unreactable so the only way to avoid them is to know they're coming from retries. Titanic's fall down move should have a few more frames of startup to take into account that you may already be in the middle of a whiffed punch.
Why does Coach Skank's theme go so unreasonably hard
Funny thing is this imply’s freezy boy got beaten by freaking mr. Adlytmen.
We have our glass joe, freezy boy
0:33 when you hit puberty😂😂😂
Poop💩💩💩🤣🤣😂😂😂
In Big Boy Boxing, you can dodge Ice Cold Killer's scream. It's inexplicably amusing to me that such an interaction is possible.
I won’t lie, the music in this game kinda fire
Especially titanic 5000
@@Chaoschaosjevilmy favorite theme/boss in the game.
idk why mr adyltmen's voice reminds me of impfinity from pvz heroes.
It really does honestly
I just hope the bosses get more phases and are a little harder. I never felt a challenge when i played the demo
The older demo did have them slightly harder (at least they had more health and did more attacks) so I'm genuinely hoping they up the difficulty.
@@CrankyTemplar Yeah. Even in that demo, it felt like the bosses died way too fast. Even the longer boss fights flew by and we never really got to see much of their character
Trigger Happy Havoc.
I really hope the full game gets release
I said it once and I'll say it again, Coach Skank's theme goes unnecessarily hard
0:39
Me when Thor kills me in superhero tycoon
Damn you beated me up super fast
So wild dude is just the Aran Ryan of big boy boxing
Sometimes Trigger Happy does remind me Darla dimples..
Ironically despite the hardest challenge is the one for Titanic 5000 which has you purposely elongate the time it takes to fight him due to how quick these bosses take, and since the game also has upgrades for Thunder JR, I think this’ll be a problem in the future if they don’t do balancing to make the bosses an actual challenge
I just realized why the fights are so fast compared to the punch out games. This game doesn't have any knockout system. I wonder if they can implement that without ruining their current game design
I'm just wondering why does trigger-happy look like Darla dimple from the show: "cats don't dance"?
The creators said she was inspired by Darla dimple.
6:53 his kidney and bladder arr going to have a field day
Wow they, uh... really made the bosses flimsy.
this is incredible....
I have a friend whose spirit animal is most likely Trigger Happy
Bro coach shanks theme goes soo hard 4:21
The protagonist stole my bike!
Oh hell no 😭
7:04 Guys its CaseOh's Father
You're Banned
Enough talk
@@morena.batalla77HAVE AT YOU!!!
Seems like you just spam punch and the enemy doesn't even get to attack? Very cool visuals and I love the fighter concepts but they might as well be punching bags, why can't they block? Lol
Trigger happy is supposed to be in a different game lol 😂
That child is an absolute menace to society (and the ring)
No kids allowed
*Trigger happy*
3:45 BRO GOT KNOCKED OUT SHORTER THAN MR. ADYLTMEN (the kids)
ok why is nobody talking abt how titanic 5000 has some sort of mozart remix in a part of his music?
(also idk the name of the song💀)
Why did my video quality turn bad when Jim Chad came on screen😭😭
My bro gameplay doesn't give bosses a chance to throw a punch💀
At least the people who made bunny graveyard or something because the fighting style is similar
Never mind, the art style
Does anyone else think of Darla Dimple when they see Trigger Happy?
Crearly this gril is the darla dimple from cats dont dance
Trigger happy is my favorite
Freezy boy got the rizz ngl
The concept and art/animation for this game had me pretty excited, but honestly, the gameplay… just looks like complete shit. I'm sorry, but it barely looks more complicated than a clicker game.
The bosses have no HP and die in literal seconds, and just stand there doing absolutely nothing letting you hit them, and it barely seems like there's any real strategy or timing to when or where to hit them, which was the defining feature of Punch Out.
I'm really hoping there's something important I'm missing here, because if this is actually just how the game is supposed to be, that is extremely disappointing.
The older demo had them with more health and aggressiveness, so it might be they tweaked things a bit too easy for this one. Or they might be aiming for variable difficulty in the full game. I'm definitely hoping the full game is more challenging as even though you could KO opponents in Super Punch Out in seconds if you knew exactly what to do it's easy to do the same just button mashing here.
I don’t know if yall can agree..
But this game make me think of Punch Out.
I dunno if this is still the case, but if this is the last demo, the game still needs work. It's pretty, has good sound design, and looks somewhat entertaining, but there's not much of a strategy element to it, and opponents being able to get up from any assault feels boring.
Do none of them have a mouthguard or what?
4:03 Lend? What?
I think he meant to say "borrow". It could be a mistake on the developer's part.
Lend means borrow
I kind of wish this had voice acting
News bosses hes come in the game in 2025?
I really like the style and concept but man this game really ends up being “punch out but every fighter has don flamenco’s infinite combo.” They really gotta work on making the fights less of a joke and making dodging actually worth while outside of the 3 or so fights that force you to dodge
It is a little bored if they don’t move
The one I like in this game is the two kids
why is jim chad absolutely packing
Aside from Titanic 5000, they rly ain't much after the 1st fight.
Anyone thought of trigger happy being darla dimple from Cats can dance?!
Wow they go down fast 😅
Lore of Big Boy Boxing Updated Demo (No Damage) momentum 100
Is that Daria dimple from cat don't dance
Also, why do none of these idiots block your attacks?! They just let themselves be hit!
FREEYBOY
Trigger Happy is just Baby Doll from BTAS
I think she's more like darla dimple from cats don't dance.
@mopsygirl6529 I see it now.
I want to play that dudes 👊
7:08 i hear the laugh
0:07 Hay un carte que tiene el número "9600"
🍷
Que juego es? Me recordó a súper punch out de la Super nintendo
Issue with freezy boi. Everyone already knows his hair looks like that
Trigger Happy Look’s Like Dimple Darling
Isn't that the girl from "Cats Don't Dance?"
My favourite is coach stank
OMG TRIGGER HAPPY IS SO CUTE I LOVE HER❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Freezyboy
Your a pro
Ice cold killer goes down in 2 attacks
Darla dimple ripoff with giant hammer goes down in 23 attacks