My BIGGEST Golden Demon Project EVER

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @johnbobbryan
    @johnbobbryan 2 месяца назад +171

    As others have said, a sewer grate or another crumbling hole behind his left foot would be great to let light into the base!
    Also I don’t know if you’ve already thought of this, but having some glowing warp stones in the cavern would be pretty neat and flavorful.

    • @shanatokisaki4596
      @shanatokisaki4596 2 месяца назад

      I was also thinking this as well because skaven tunnels tend to have a lot of warp stone glow coming from them. I came down to comment this XD

    • @mighty8357
      @mighty8357 2 месяца назад +7

      Doing it with green LEDs would be amazing

    • @MarkoSeldo
      @MarkoSeldo 2 месяца назад

      This!

    • @sebbeusset7816
      @sebbeusset7816 Месяц назад

      or mushroom instead of stones ?

  • @seanmcgrath2049
    @seanmcgrath2049 2 месяца назад +183

    Seeing Jon's obsession with buying all kinds of new paints that spend most of their time on the shelf, and minis that clog his closets with no sign of reprieve, and taking on huge projects that he knows are a bad idea from the outset but does them anyway, really helps me to cope with my own hobby inadequacies by reminding myself that even the pros suffer from the same hobbying vices that I do.
    But then he goes on to actually paint models and finish projects and enter competitions and win trophies.
    Never meet your heroes. -_-;;;
    /s love you Jon

    • @TheInquisitor7
      @TheInquisitor7 2 месяца назад +2

      yeah dude just jump in. if it sucks, there's probably other gray stuff hiding in that weird corner in your closet.

  • @harryholdway8015
    @harryholdway8015 2 месяца назад +71

    Absolutely love it. Would adding a sewer grating in the cover of the base allow some light into the cavern below?

  • @Craziecory
    @Craziecory 2 месяца назад +96

    The underground screams for a green LED light. Diffused with cotton fluff or maybe resin. Even a low watt glow will bring the underdark to life.

    • @DarkAbyssMiniatures
      @DarkAbyssMiniatures 2 месяца назад +8

      An led light base won't win a golden demon though.

    • @Double_Flush
      @Double_Flush 2 месяца назад +4

      @@DarkAbyssMiniatures agreed. this would look sick for an army centrepiece, but something like that has no place in GD

    • @benmiles00
      @benmiles00 2 месяца назад

      Yes, definitely. Maybe Boylei Hobbytime can inspire Jon to go the extra mile.

    • @jacobmalewski1444
      @jacobmalewski1444 2 месяца назад

      Didn't see this earlier😂

    • @monzooboit5465
      @monzooboit5465 2 месяца назад

      @@Double_Flush is it disqualifying ?

  • @Moorhammer_studio
    @Moorhammer_studio Месяц назад +2

    What a humble man you are Ninjon, always enjoy your videos and great attitude.

  • @joshuamurphy4928
    @joshuamurphy4928 2 месяца назад +1

    How he opens with being irresponsible then goes into his opening theme with the goofy look. Priceless.

  • @TheNarrativeNook
    @TheNarrativeNook 2 месяца назад +53

    Afew suggestions;
    1. Crack the top surface to reveal more of the interior
    2. Have a sea of little rats fill the empty space of the mordheim base instead of the cavern. Like the pied piper. Then add full sized skaven below.
    3. Along the lines of the pied piper. Have rats running all up and down his cloak in excess, an attempt maybe make your horned rat stand out.
    4. Maybe add a huge piece of warpstone in his free hand, suggesting him drawing upon the power to crack the floor etc / osl option later.
    5. Add roots to the lip of the earth that has been raised up. I feel it has empty space and will help make that appear more as fresh earth and create some separation
    6. The cavern could be lit up with LED or use green LED to map your painting with some camera shots.
    7. If you hold any stock in complex basing pushing pieces to winners (since alot of the winners have insane basing) You could complicate it with burst water, more peep holes. The surface could have a dead body or two in parts with rats eating at them.
    8. Lastly, you could create a similar hole at the very opposite size of the base so you can look right through it to catch a silhouette of action / drama / movement
    9. On the painting side. You could bring in a chaos element with his foot being the site of action / magic in use. Painting a pentagram and having the light of that creeping into the cracks of the mortar and stone work.

    • @thekkidd3d
      @thekkidd3d 2 месяца назад

      It would be killer to see him 300 a dwarf or something midaction...

    • @MarkoSeldo
      @MarkoSeldo 2 месяца назад

      RE: 9. >> glowing sign of the horned rat under the his foot

  • @SlainBlackguard
    @SlainBlackguard 2 месяца назад +6

    So excited for another Road to Golden Demon series! Don't stress about updating tooo much, but just a lil please!

  • @PKTCrafts
    @PKTCrafts 2 месяца назад +1

    What a great start, love it! And congratulations on your Golden Demon!

  • @MrMordo85
    @MrMordo85 2 месяца назад +14

    Fun fact, the fact that you used red bricks is very well chosen as GWHQ is based in Nottingham, part of the Midlands which is home to the clay that made red bricks thus alot of our older stuctures are red

  • @scarver
    @scarver Месяц назад +1

    This already looks amazing. Cant wait to see more.

  • @TheMichaellathrop
    @TheMichaellathrop 2 месяца назад +6

    I've seen a bunch of foam crafting tutorials where they glued the bricks down and then used a thined down plaster or Spackle or actual grout to grout the brickwork in after painting them and then used a wet cloth or sponge to wipe away 99% of the grout haze which gave both a great look to the brick/stone work as well as a good start on the weathering for those elements. It looks good with larger stonework but amazing with smaller red brickwork like your using.

  • @tehgriefer9317
    @tehgriefer9317 2 месяца назад +66

    Awesome, maybe you can include some led lighting from inside the hole to allow watch all the tunnel , something like warp lighting or torch.

    • @Treppenwitz_
      @Treppenwitz_ 2 месяца назад +5

      Make it a nice shaven green glow from underneath!

    • @cujfab8962
      @cujfab8962 2 месяца назад +2

      @@Treppenwitz_ what effect is a "shaven glow" ?

    • @kaldorf
      @kaldorf 2 месяца назад +2

      Saw this after my comment. Everyone having similar ideas for this cool project

    • @Alistarwormwood
      @Alistarwormwood 2 месяца назад +2

      lol you beat me to it

    • @SteveLexingtonWriting
      @SteveLexingtonWriting 2 месяца назад +1

      Agreed!

  • @blazecorp
    @blazecorp 2 месяца назад +2

    With out a doubt my favourite video of yours. I always look at artists on RUclips and think "they know what their doing. Its so simple for them". This was such a cool insight into your thought process. I really enjoyed it. Thanks dude.

  • @michaelweima3851
    @michaelweima3851 Месяц назад

    Dear Ninjon, Love your vids! 2 ideas that i have (and probaly has been said by others) is: a round sewer grate on the sides so you can look in the cavern and/or glowing warpstone in the cavern so you can see in there! have fun building and painting!

  • @roryhatfield6696
    @roryhatfield6696 2 месяца назад +1

    I absolutely love this project! I'm more of a builder than a painter so I appreciate the work that you've done on the project so far. I have a small suggestion. Use Skaven in the bottom part and rat swarms around and even jumping off the front. I feel that this will show your story better.

  • @benloukomies2147
    @benloukomies2147 2 месяца назад +1

    Love it! The one thing I'd tweek at this point is the shape of the hole under Vizzik. It's a bit too symmetrical, giving it the appearance of a mouth (which might be cool in a Nurgly kind of way if you lean into it, but I don't think that's the vibe you're going for). Others here have had cool suggestions as well, I especially like the idea of led lights (green, obviously) in the cave, to make your work show more clearly.
    Anyway, awesome work! Looking forward to seeing your progress on it!

  • @skomTV
    @skomTV 2 месяца назад +2

    The prophet model got me into the hobby a week ago, I could NOT resist this amazing sculpt. I'll be training and learning on the Skaventide box first before attempting this, but it's such a fun project to work towards. I'm so happy to see you attempting this as it serves for the perfect inspiration and learnings along the way.
    Thanks for all the great content over the years, it's now time for me to put all that theoretical knowledge into something real i can be proud of.

    • @RichardJRussell
      @RichardJRussell 2 месяца назад

      That's a hell of a 'square one' 😮

  • @WargamerNed
    @WargamerNed 2 месяца назад

    I love this choice for your Golden Demon project. I am so excited to see how this turns out!

  • @PraetexDesign
    @PraetexDesign 2 месяца назад

    IMO you're at your absolute best when in your inspiration zone, but also out of your comfort zone. Really looking forward to seeing how this one evolves, I'd love to see some of the Colour Cube influences on the paintjob itself.

  • @rabidcabbage7230
    @rabidcabbage7230 2 месяца назад +3

    Holy Crap!!! It's crazy how the universe works! Just yesterday I was scouring your chanel for a new kitbash video and couln't find one I hadn't watch! And here is one that has arrived infront of me on a delectable platter of creativity and awsomeness!

  • @freetablecorner
    @freetablecorner 2 месяца назад +4

    It was a brilliant idea to create that cave for the Skaven to pour out from. I’m really looking forward to seeing the finished piece!

  • @PhilSNight
    @PhilSNight 2 месяца назад

    Please keep doing videos on this project! Would make for a great series. Wish more people did videos on their sculpting, basing, and conversion work - this vid was super inspiring !

  • @JackOfDiceAndThem
    @JackOfDiceAndThem 2 месяца назад

    Awesome concept, already great execution, can't wait to see more work in progress videos building towards (hopefully!) your second golden demon!

  • @acareatti
    @acareatti 2 месяца назад

    Your videos about your process are always inspiring. I competed in the NOVA Capital Palette this year and got a bronze! Thank you for inspiring me to enter.
    As for yours, I think an open manhole or grate on the road would prove light into the sewer/cave enough to get people to look more into it.

  • @nikot.9920
    @nikot.9920 2 месяца назад

    Love this piece so far Jon. Can't wait to see you put more work into it and begin the painting process down the line. This has inspired me to get back to planning out the base for my Golden Demon project. Many thanks.

  • @adamssmartthings
    @adamssmartthings 2 месяца назад

    Loved how this video covered the uncertainty and doubt of the creative process. If you don't feel those things you are most likely not creating something new unique and special.

  • @rutgerpijpers5158
    @rutgerpijpers5158 2 месяца назад +2

    15:45 thats a pretty big lump youve got there on youre left thumb joint buddy. Hope it doesnt bother you, mine do sadly. Great concept for the base and looks very good, gonna look amazing when painted!

  • @Gogking1414
    @Gogking1414 2 месяца назад

    I’m more excited about the concept and execution so far on this guy compared to all your previous golden demon videos. Badass!

  • @kingkreaghan
    @kingkreaghan 2 месяца назад

    The concept is awesome, and I could visualize it in my head. Look forward to seeing more and more materialized. Definitely need a warpstone green diffused light in the cavern. That with your painting skills would be amazing.

  • @ThePatrickBall
    @ThePatrickBall 2 месяца назад

    The concept of that base is genuinely awesome, and I can’t wait to see the final piece!

  • @neonwolf1205
    @neonwolf1205 2 месяца назад

    I literally just completed my first ever attempt a custom base using polystyrene and Milliput yesterday and I can *feel* the drive to learn more and improve because of how much fun it was just messing around with clay and texture paint. Seeing amazing stuff like this just pushes me even more to get better at this new part of the hobby that I've discovered I love!

  • @TheMiniJunkie
    @TheMiniJunkie 2 месяца назад

    Really enjoyable video, was super interesting to follow along with your process. Hope to see more on this project soon!

  • @AndrewTpowell
    @AndrewTpowell 2 месяца назад

    Can't wait to see how this turns out. The concept is absolutely fantastic

  • @DarkLolification
    @DarkLolification 2 месяца назад

    I love the idea ! The brick pavement getting destroyed is incredible. Thanks for taking us through your journey.

  • @Matthewpaints
    @Matthewpaints 2 месяца назад +1

    That is a gorgeous base. Can't wait to see this finished.

  • @VASM160689
    @VASM160689 2 месяца назад

    Holy crap men, this is an overthinking exercise. When you drilled into the plinth, I was thinking you would do 2 holes, one in the front, one in the back, and Vizzik would be the one coming out of a hole, only it wasn't really a hole. The sides of the plinth would hold those wooden structures you talked about and it would look as if he is walking through the trenches towards the enemy, towering over the scaffolding built by the ratmen. Maybe with a few rats here and there to represent scale.
    The way you're doing this is gonna give you a lot of work that is not gonna be seen (like you said). I really hope the project brings you joy, cause it's gonna be a grind! Good luck my man, and hope your effort will be recognized!

  • @SweenyMarc
    @SweenyMarc 2 месяца назад +2

    This is an exciting project, looking forward to following along.
    I don't know GD rules, so maybe it wouldn't be allowed, but I think one or two green LED "warpstone" in the cavern for some light would be an amazing effect and maybe stop those details getting lost. EDIT: Guess I should read comments before posting, everyone has had the same idea 😄

  • @ianmohr4183
    @ianmohr4183 2 месяца назад

    SUPER excited to watch you embark on this journey! What an exciting project!

  • @vamps_vids
    @vamps_vids 2 месяца назад +1

    @3:59 First, use a manual saw, then you can broke out the slices, and just after that use the rotary tool for detailing... this should have taken up an awful lot of time.

    • @vamps_vids
      @vamps_vids 2 месяца назад

      OMG that mess.... xD

  • @Waaghstompa
    @Waaghstompa 2 месяца назад

    Im really excited to follow this project, you have such an amazing ability for coming up with ideas that are fun to follow.

  • @chkminis
    @chkminis 2 месяца назад

    This can be sick buddy, I love to see this giant projects for Golden Demon, all the luck on this crazy road!

  • @Wijkert
    @Wijkert 2 месяца назад

    You went from my all time favorite model in the Cavalier Marshal to probably my favorite (and best IMO) sculpt GW has released this year! Great choice in models Jon!

  • @geoffmcdaniel7082
    @geoffmcdaniel7082 2 месяца назад

    Crazy awesome idea and concept for your project, looking forward to seeing the steps towards the completed model!

  • @ZombieMonkey7
    @ZombieMonkey7 2 месяца назад

    Absolutely love the composition of this piece, few more tweaks here and there and this will be something very special

  • @timcharles1676
    @timcharles1676 2 месяца назад

    I am so excited for another golden demon project series! Pictures I agree with some other commenters that a grate or an LED in the bottom of it will really help with the effect of the gnawhole.

  • @N00b_Bot
    @N00b_Bot 2 месяца назад

    Awesome, please make this a regular series on your channel. Be great to see the paint process, thought process, how you tackle the inevitable issues/motivation/feedback etc.

  • @msamyweber
    @msamyweber 2 месяца назад +3

    Damn Jon, how long did it take to write that intro? That was good, I got good giggles, and really enjoy your channel. Many reasons... I learn things, it is entertaining, you make me laugh (thank you for that), and when you and Vince get together, it is all the better. Just thought I would mention it. Good luck with Golden Demon!

  • @KevinoftheCosmos
    @KevinoftheCosmos 2 месяца назад

    Exceptional foundation, literally and figuratively. Seeing a project like this makes me wonder why I've never attempted my own. That model is nuts btw.

  • @Wesardry
    @Wesardry 2 месяца назад

    I love the way your brain works. I hope to be able to meet you and talk creative processes. Your in depth explanation and videography really encourages a person not only to create, but to explore and experiment. Another top notch NINJON video!

  • @murtwehihi6651
    @murtwehihi6651 2 месяца назад

    Great video as always! thanks for sharing a very relatable process so openly

  • @DJTXD123
    @DJTXD123 2 месяца назад

    Really awesome, I think you could make the brickwork on top of the base more interesting with some blocks of debris / the bricks being more damaged

  • @1Kapuchu100
    @1Kapuchu100 2 месяца назад

    I hope you'll keep us updated on this model! It looks really cool, and I'd like to be able to follow along with it.

  • @antmeredith5117
    @antmeredith5117 2 месяца назад

    Oh my, that looks awesome! I can't wait to see more of this project!

  • @kookieslayer
    @kookieslayer 2 месяца назад +3

    Considering the last couple Golden Demon have rewarded very complex bases, it's def worth the time investment of that lower level.
    I wish GD was more about the minis, but it looks like it's all about the spectacle nowadays.

    • @Elfhelm
      @Elfhelm 2 месяца назад

      Looks like someone didn’t see Essen winners

  • @gidthaillest
    @gidthaillest 2 месяца назад

    It’s very inspiring seeing you do this.

  • @babz8031
    @babz8031 2 месяца назад

    john is truly the mr rodgers of mini painting. deserves all the success in the world

  • @TheGeppywizard
    @TheGeppywizard 2 месяца назад

    This looks like a hell of a lot of fun! Can't wait to see how it turns out.

  • @terrencemiltner1005
    @terrencemiltner1005 2 месяца назад

    Looking forward to seeing what you do with this ambitious build and paint job and getting to watch the journey.

  • @the10thmuffinman51
    @the10thmuffinman51 2 месяца назад

    I absolutely love this! Do you think perhaps you could find a way to magnetise the plinth so you could see underneath the street?

  • @Vostoceq
    @Vostoceq 2 месяца назад

    I was so happy seeing your model winning a trophy man.. Happy for you, onwards and upwards

  • @Silith13
    @Silith13 2 месяца назад

    I use DAS clay for so much basing. The terracota is great for desert bases with white primer on top. Creates a good base colour.

  • @TheBlackZodiacGhost
    @TheBlackZodiacGhost 2 месяца назад

    Looking forward to seeing this project unfold. Really strong start :D

  • @jamesdunn581
    @jamesdunn581 2 месяца назад

    Can't wait to see the next in this series. The idea looks so cool and once you get your paint on it.... woo. Can't wait. :D

  • @Zachafinackus
    @Zachafinackus 2 месяца назад

    I can't wait to see what this looks like when it's done, it already looks so cool!

  • @Eliniel12
    @Eliniel12 2 месяца назад

    If you don't already have Thanquol and Boneripper, he's got a *ton* of spare rats on the sprue that you could use! I think he has something like.. 25 random, spare rats. Also the Skaventide endless spell has a bunch of rats on rubble.
    This is already looking fantastic! Cannot wait to see the progress on this!

  • @neilandrews2995
    @neilandrews2995 2 месяца назад +2

    You should make some warp lightning coming out of his staff and the hole opening up even the raised bit of ground
    ...and a load more rats...I have a vision of what you described...your gonna need more. All sizes...

  • @reyvanmaloche8162
    @reyvanmaloche8162 2 месяца назад

    the bricks look awesome, awesome idea of the cave too, good luck with this project! Can't wait the next video

  • @mrbigphil22
    @mrbigphil22 2 месяца назад

    I love watching your golden deamon journeys mate, please have more for us!

  • @FrostFire600
    @FrostFire600 2 месяца назад

    I always enjoy your videos, but these kitbash/paint a kitbash videos are by far my favorite. Awesome job!

  • @andreasblau3895
    @andreasblau3895 2 месяца назад

    Love the soundtrack while you are carving the hole! Reminds me a lot of the Turbokid! And as usual amazing idea and model!

  • @bart0185
    @bart0185 2 месяца назад

    Good luck! The idea is great and looking forward to the process!

  • @poguesmahone
    @poguesmahone 2 месяца назад +1

    That looks amazing. That brick work looks amazing. What is that liquid glue you are using that isn't so viscous?

  • @meltabombed
    @meltabombed 2 месяца назад

    This looks sick, man. Glad to see you excited about an ambitious comp piece like this, I hope to see it at NOVA 2025 as well!

  • @ScaledCreations
    @ScaledCreations 2 месяца назад +1

    Love this concept, I can't wait to see the end result!

  • @cameronfotheringham6659
    @cameronfotheringham6659 2 месяца назад

    Loving this new lease on passion. Great time to come back to the channel

  • @MarchHare55
    @MarchHare55 2 месяца назад

    Really excited to see this project come to fruition!

  • @JackCawood
    @JackCawood 2 месяца назад

    Looking good. Thanks for sharing the process. Can't wait to see more.

  • @visualartsbyjr2464
    @visualartsbyjr2464 2 месяца назад

    The underside of the "ramp" his hoof is on needs something that looks like structural or the brick look, however great it;s looking, won't make visual sense. As bricks would just fall apart and he'd be stepping on air. Wooden supports is all I'm coming up with.
    Im very fond of the idea already voiced of a defused green light to reflect their use of warp stones.
    Excited to see what you do with this!

  • @javi10ify
    @javi10ify 2 месяца назад

    I think you get a really low power led that could be use like a lantern or some glow source 5:30 would an easy resistor switch battery led wiring

  • @vince7189
    @vince7189 2 месяца назад

    i think i finally have a tip for you. If you ever need a mortar type thing again you can use pre mixed grout. Or even mix it yourself. There is sanded and non sanded depends what texture you want. as well as multiple colors. hope it helps. Other then that great video i think he looks awesome so far

  • @The_WarL0rd_Way
    @The_WarL0rd_Way 2 месяца назад

    For not knowing what you are doing, it sure looks like a good start! Can't wait to see the progression.

  • @xchaggersbemighty5452
    @xchaggersbemighty5452 2 месяца назад

    That looks great! I think Clanrats would look great coming out and they are easy to source.

  • @aaronbono4688
    @aaronbono4688 2 месяца назад +8

    Trying to envision Ninjon out chopping wood is hurting my brain.

  • @Nekrokon
    @Nekrokon 2 месяца назад

    I feel this so hard...
    I'm trying to get War & Ruin from Darksiders to life. But the hooves won't fit perfectly into the shapes in the base.
    There was a small moment where I thought "Jesus, this figure takes so much time, is it even worth it?!".
    But I'm sure, when it's finished, it will be jawdropping awesome.
    This kind of struggle makes the figure worth much more then every amount of money can pay.
    And so do yours - it look's awesome already!!♥

  • @keeferofsecrets9577
    @keeferofsecrets9577 2 месяца назад

    Hell yeah man. Can’t wait to see it through. Fantastic video. 🍻

  • @paulausten5786
    @paulausten5786 2 месяца назад

    Such a great idea, looking forward to seeing your journey on it.

  • @meckleyprops2902
    @meckleyprops2902 2 месяца назад

    It already looks amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing it done

  • @CaptainSpalding23
    @CaptainSpalding23 2 месяца назад

    Great stuff - thanks for sharing the process and your thoughts. Love your videos. So motivating. You (among other RUclipsrs) brought me back to the hobby.

  • @egon446
    @egon446 2 месяца назад

    It is just criminal how talented you are! Great job!

  • @Xerosins
    @Xerosins 2 месяца назад

    I look at moderns cars and complex minis in the same light, if you need to reach a certain area your probably going to have to take of the thing apart to get to it easily. its looking like it will be a nice display piece cant wait to see the finished piece.

  • @maulcrusader7106
    @maulcrusader7106 2 месяца назад +1

    This is gonna be a winner. As soon as I heard rats running out of a cave from beneath him, I was like OH YEAH this is gonna be good.

  • @hammertimewes
    @hammertimewes 2 месяца назад +1

    This is rad! Where are these scale bricks from?

  • @ThroatJunk
    @ThroatJunk 2 месяца назад +2

    Lookin mad in-shape dude!

  • @howardcoates6985
    @howardcoates6985 2 месяца назад

    That looks like its gonna be a very cool project. Curious to see how it will look in the end.

  • @AirbrushDownandDirtyTricks
    @AirbrushDownandDirtyTricks 2 месяца назад +1

    I’ll be attending my first adapt next year and to him with the idea of jumping in and entering something in to the golden demon. I wanted to ask is it OK to use 3-D printed objects from epic basing. I wasn’t sure if that was against the rules or not.

    • @beaverdam1199
      @beaverdam1199 2 месяца назад +1

      Should be perfectly fine! Assuming that your entire model isn't 3d printed then your all good, It's simply a basing product it shouldn't effect your pieces entry 👍

    • @AirbrushDownandDirtyTricks
      @AirbrushDownandDirtyTricks 2 месяца назад +1

      @@beaverdam1199 nope. Just thinking of adding basing elements and such. Nothing to the main model.

  • @joesphsmales8685
    @joesphsmales8685 2 месяца назад

    I love these golden demon videos! Sick pick Jon!

  • @rickyrivera5316
    @rickyrivera5316 2 месяца назад

    This is so awesome! Would recommend if it’s not against the rules to put a green led in that hole. You could feed the wire through the bottom of the whole plinth and connect a button battery and switch at the bottom back of the plinth.

  • @czgreg5065
    @czgreg5065 2 месяца назад +1

    Jon, what will hold that piece of lip afloat? I do not really see why it would not collapse.
    Looking forward seeing the final version!

  • @420firemage
    @420firemage 2 месяца назад

    Love the tunnel it's super Skaveny, can't wait to see the swarm pouring out!!!