Seeing cancelled animations always makes me so sad and mad. People literally spend hours of nonstop work to produce them and then a person of higher authority goes “uhm. No. this isn’t going to make money” and that’s the end of it. All that work just gone and not even for a reason other than money. I haven’t even heard of driftwood until this very moment yet I’m still sad it’s cancelled because of how that poster looks. I can tell that the artists behind it really cared and now it’s just gone.
I use AI art to help me visualize ideas sometimes. Then I go in to make my full art, while keeping the AI in mind as like, a rough suggestion. Thats about the only real use I’ve found for it, in legitimate art.
I think AI can be helpful in smaller stuff than making the whole image. Like if I can ask it to name my layers based off what's on them. Or if I can tell it to select the ears of the cat and it does that for me. I also think AI upscaling of art can do a good job. Though I think it would be cool if you had a layer with line art and you started coloring on it it could tell you your on the wrong layer
So sad that everyone/ game company is choosing quantity over quality , making a bad game in little amount of time just so that they can make more money
Let's say you really need money. If you could put out something in a month or two to guarantee some content instead of gambling on an ambitious dream project right now, get some complaints that you could ignore, and make a nice chunk of money... I promise you would do the same thing if the money was more important than the fictional/unimportant thing you made. And if you say you wouldn't, you're missing the idea that if you did the latter option.. for a good while, you'd be sitting in a pretty shallow boat taking a big gamble on an idea that could absolutely fall apart without proper backing. I think we as people care too much about the bad games for whatever reason they're bad instead of just focusing on the good ones. Overworking and other fields are other topics that stem from a different root, but in general.. if your focus is more on something like that than what could benefit you or the people you love directly so you can do more for others in the future than you can right now, your sights are set to picky and your standards are overtop. Just like the games you like, if games suck then don't invest in it or complain that it's bad/lackluster, and instead look at both perspectives of not just the players or the low level developers, but also the people with a lot of pressure in the big seat. You don't need to lean towards anyone, just consider everyone. Not trying to be rude but rather factual.
So sad to see people put down indie developers that have trouble creating their own art. Not everyone is lucky enough to have those skills. Gatekeeping creation is not a good look
Never heard of driftwood but seeing that beautiful picture and immediately seeing it was canceled broke my hurt. In the same second I found out about it it was gone
Damn, didnt know elitism was still a thing in todays art. Have you considered shutting up and letting puople express themselves with whatever tools they want? Or does every chisle, paintbrush, keyboard, kilobite of code, sowing needle and so on need to be santioned by a comittee first for it to be acceptable to use?
This is what ive been saying, i dont see AI completely snuffing out art because i just dont see everyone settling for it. People in history has always valued a product more when time and effort had been put into it. Will this snuff out jobs in large corporations? Unfortunately, yes. But it will not snuff out art as a whole, and know for a damn fact there will be companies who will seek artists and advertise themselves as on relying on real art, and not algorithm stealing garbage. Artists will still have their patrons. Continue using AI poisoning tools, continue calling out shit corporations when they use ai art, support the ones that still care what goes into their product. If you do that, things should be okay. Its just another hurdle life tossed at us, and we'll be sure to overcome it.
@@ocelot420_69 the amount of people that have been saying digital artists art is just ai is absurd, its frustrating the lengths they have to go now just to have their art accepted.
@@group555_ the difference is digital art still requires artistic skill, you still have to draw out what youre making, still have to color it, rely on your own brain to make it the way you want it to be. With ai generated images, you just type some keywords(though some people can get pretty advanced with it) and it churns out an image. no one is being a luddite for not wanting something that is almost entirely done for our own enjoyment to be poisoned by the "it needs to be more efficient and fast" mindset
@notaclass-d1822 except ai generrators, while fully capable of making a cool looking image with minimal input, still require all those same skills to create truly good art pieces. You need to know scene placement, light direction, colour theory, symbolism, etc, etc, if you want to make art. These have to be chosen intentionally. You can't just have the ai choose that for you. You have to itterate and change elements till you have your vision, your intend.
This is why I love New Blood as a publisher company, they let their games that they are publishing work for years in early access, they hate money, and they love people.
I hope corporations embrace all this garbage but only because it will allow real artists to be seen more as people get tired of the junk content. That way, the garbage corporate content dies, and the artist work with no limitations succeeds. In short, I want corporations to use it and fail, and real artists to take advantage of the corporate failure to make more passion projects popular. (Like how triple A games are dying and indie games are growing)
There's a panel in a Calvin and Hobbes comic where Calvin's Dad says something to the effect of "we have all these new machines and tools that help us save time on our work, but all it's done is make people expect things faster, so the amount of effort we have to put in has actually gone up, along with our stress" I'm paraphrasing, since I can't find the comic, but I feel like it's relevant to what's going on here
In a perfect world (which I am aware we will never have, at least not in our lifetime), I think it would be cool if actual artists can use AI for practice. Like for example; a potential AI program that is fully ethical (only takes art samples from submitted art) that artists may use for practicing poses, like asking it to generate a structure you haven't drawn before and learning from that by taking it as a reference image. Of course as it currently stands, this is not going to happen any time soon, but I do like AI for its potential to be good. It just sucks that it's currently most captivating for those who only want it for robotic efficiency.
A lot of creative industries are struggling to compete with individuals. Ai tools and software that can be used to improve productivity could mean more individuals pushing out big rooted in industries.
I think AI can be helpful in things outside of making the whole image. Like image selection, like select the foot for me. Or if it can name my layers based off whats on them. Or if it could tell me im painting on the worng layer. I also think image upscaling of images is helpfull. Also if the AI could help with the technical stuff, like ask it to find the setting thats always hard to find that you only need once a year.
The Kirby video in the background at the beggining was a massive reanimation project btw. It was called.... Kirby reanimated collab By Kirby reanimated
I just like using it to see what AI will make. It can be pretty funny. :3 I mean genuinely, if you try not to copy something, like, telling an AI to make Naruto several times and instead do funny stuff like, muscular squirrels flying in space or mermaids made out of coral, you can get some fun and cool stuff. Maybe even some inspiration for a drawing. But it's not a replacement for artists. There's plenty of evidence for that. One thing I am curious though is, can a AI be genuinely taught how to draw? o.o Not, 'make a exact replica of this' or 'make this after studying images on the internet. But genuinely, with a paint program, follow instructions on how to draw like people do in art lessons. That I'd really like to see.
Omg i wrote a book called Wolf Adventures when i was little and it wasn't great, but it was good for my age! Now i wanna animate it for a video, that sounds super fun :D
There's ai art being good and ai art being bad, it all depends on the situation. Many artists use it as inspiration for their drawings when they have no ideas (me included) and many people use it for horror by getting purposely uncanny ones (Like Liminal Park and me getting cursed emojis as reaction images)
Just to clarify, the video where this comes from was made in _"early"_ 2023, now we have games like Lethal Company and Helldivers 2, and series like Digital Circus that demonstrate that people want quality over quantity (at least in the long term), just take a look at EA and Disney, they are both going to fail because of greed, and if they don't change minds, this will happen to Activision and DreamWorks because of the same thing
I know that what I'm going to say will have nothing to do with the video, but, I like your art style :3 I don't speak English but I like to see this artist even if he speaks English
I think their will always be "hand made" bautique items that are valued more by how they are made than what they are. But I feel like if people want ai art will be up to society and to them I'm not really sure how much they care. Like to a lot of people content is this thing that appears that they can consume not knowing the origin.
I've never been so fast in love with a movie and heart broken. CN and every other big companies are an actual parasite that suck the life out of projects just to cancel them for a quick buck.
My opinion on it changes based on context. If corporations or producers have the choice of paying artists/commissioning art, and instead opt for generating art & using that for their product, then it sucks and I hate it and it's _literally_ putting artists, freelance or employed, out of a job. But if it's a guy (me) generating art of portraits & locations that they're gonna use for their personal project (my dnd campaign), and you don't have the money to pay for commissions (no job), then I say go for it. Obviously agree w/ all the points in the short. That said, if I find an artist who takes commissions whose style is similar to what I have in mind, and I have the funds to pay them, I will. Atm I've yet to find an artist whose style is similar to what I see in my head, and I have no money, so I'm just gonna generate away ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly. It's truly terrible to be used in a corporate setting, or as though it had been hand-drawn by the supposed "artist." But to use it non-commercially just for fun, or for inspiration, that is how it should be used.
I feel like if we give ai the process of tweaking minor details of animation and drawing as a whole would be great, but not make entire art pieces 😅 also I feel as if it’s not exactly a capitalist thing, it’s more of a societal and moral thing, because there are companies and channels that live art like Ghibli studios, or Glitch for example
I would say that's why indie companies have been really taking off lately. Indie animators and game designers aren't really focused on appealing to an algorithm or squeezing cash out of their buyers. They're genuinely pationate about what they're making, and as a result, the products are better than larger scale companies.
Tbh i think the only use of Ai ive seen as of recently that hasnt been awful is lip syncing in video games, its a very tiring for animators to do and the help of not needing to think of it too much is sure to help! I guess it does fall into the "making games faster" but id say this is a fairly reasonable thing to want
@Jacadamia ah yes, I didn't know what Catagory that fell into but I quite happy some ai is being used for things people genuinely appreciate and would want without it taking over their job
If... AI will be pushed by all companies, people who like normal art better, will give indie artists a bigger chance of succes, or maybe even this could form a better art community. If AI art is normalized, barely any bad commisions get asked!
Thats why its better to own your own stuff and not let it be controlled by mega corporations. Notice all those IP they sit on? Dont let it be your creations too. BECOME their competition, and beat they asses with quality. Thats what I say. Won't be easy, but at least your work is still yours.
Art is not having an idea, it's executing it. Ordering rice with olives at a restaurant is not being an artist, commissioning a painting of barefoot sonic to an artist is not being an artist, writing a prompt in an "ai" (search engine) is not being an artist.
I think that there is a lot of business or generally "non artistic" use cases of AI art We artists always think of art like this thing that we love to do, and put work on and appreciate. But my mon just need something to put on the birthday card. The business presentation just need some stock people and the super market commercial that you never heard of just need an ok mascot These people aren't there to appreciate art, they just need one. I think that's where AI comes in. If someone wants something special they will hire someone, if not they will use AI simple as that, and i can't blame them honestly
I understand that view of art, i’ve been dealing with it my whole life as an artist. However i think it’s a problem, it’s an unfortunate and disrespectful view in my opinion and i think AI only exacerbates it. A lot of people are conditioned to view art as a “product”, more than ever now, and social media kind of adds on to this unhealthy mindset that everything you do and post online has to be a consumable product of some kind that “builds your brand”
Warning: Long and philosophical college educated analysis below. I like tea, I own teapots, it's just like the world of ceramics. Sure you can get an inexpensive teapot from a factory made in a mold but getting a hand made one is different. You see the very human element in the creation of it, the years of mastering the process of making a spout that pours a perfect laminar flow, and the aesthetic choices of the potter. Not only that a hand made piece speaks of a person in a place at a time, along with showing the visual language and aesthetic values of a culture. That is what makes something "Art" and not a product. Art can be everything from a situational event or a conceptual repurposed object to a very intimate piece used in daily life. AI image generation does not produce art, it takes that which was art produced by artists and creates an imitation. Photographing a painting does not create new art, image generation algorithms can not produce art. These programs do not have sentience, can not conceptualize the self, another, or their place within time and society. Image generation algorithms can not and will never create art. If we somehow create a true digital entity that can conceptualize self, others, time, society, and place within all that; then I will say that any visual products are "art".
Consider it like a Microwave. Just because you can use it to heat food doesn't make you a chef, but it can make an otherwise complicated process a lot easier.. and even for some circumstances, the benefits outweigh the other standard options. Point is: Art is about the process. You aren't a chef by using a microwave, but you're using it to achieve a similar result for similar purposes a chef would cook food. Maybe the quality or value wouldn't be worth as much as someone putting in the effort to making it, or moreso adding heart and passion.. but it did accomplish its point: to heat the thing so the person who wanted it heated could have it heated. AI is the same thing. A glorified MK100 microwave that doesn't heat things, but generates stuff. Eventually, it's going to be able to do a whole lot of stuff, and for the people who aren't as good at creating their own art(which "Art" stems from presenting one's own expression and doesn't just mean drawings or sculptures but rather **craft** which means it could be anything), they'll have a tool to expand upon for delving deeper into this field without having to commit as much to get a bigger result. A lot of people fail to recognize that an "Artist" of any kind is still going to have an edge over the average joe when it comes to AI. You'll have the built knowledge over vast amounts of experience to harness the fantastic new tools to create work never seen before much better than a novice or unmotivated content spammer could do. The standard will go up, but the skill ceiling goes up faster than the skill floor opens. What I'm saying is that with these extremely dense and expansive tools, Artists are not in jeopardy at all. It just means that individuals who can use the tools better and adapt will overcome and become more efficient in the field than those who can't or won't learn. And the truth is, that's how it is now. It just feels different because we don't understand how it's going to feel yet when it's fully immersed into society. Once it is, and everyone can do the basic stuff that we consider complex right now in this early day and age, "complex" will have a new meaning in the future. There is no fear if you're willing to take the reigns and continuously use the new tools to create even better and vastly more extravagant and densified things than yesterday. And at the end of the day, with how big everything around us is and how many "local" communities there are with the extreme amount of people on Earth(even on RUclips, this channel is a local community of everyone who enjoys his animations), there will always be an audience that someone can find and make for themselves. Maybe those who use the new tools better will reach higher spots, but if you can see past your own individual ego and be okay with being a top dog or an average creator that simply likes to create for whatever reasons they do, it'll all be okay and pan out how life intends it. Ambitious and determined people will always strive higher than those who don't care. Just live to be you, that's all anyone can ask for themselves. And it's okay to be scared or threatened by these things if you're not comfortable with the idea. Just become as self-aware as you can, and you'll feel better the more you learn and adapt. Everyone can use the Microwave, but those who stick metal in the Microwave do worse.. ..than those who have learned to make a hotdog bun fluffy, instead of soggy, by wrapping it in a very lightly soaked paper towel.
Oh yeah, an artist can take AI and make art faster and more pretty with its aid? Except AI generated pictures have no compositional, color or design value at all most of times, it is just 100% robot-made fast food, not even a microwave. You cannot even make anything new with an already cooked cheeseburger with soggy bread, hard cheese, dry patty and hairy mold over it, the hairy mold being that it isn't even following moral laws, it'll give you a stomachache.
@@ehtresih9540 Some say it is when they start cooking food for a living, but I personally subscribe to the school of thought that it's when they cook by themselves, even if aided by recipes, from scratch (Or maybe from a box mix.) When they cook up a steak, or bake a cake, or fry some eggs, or make a salad, and when they start to do it at least semi-regularly, practicing.
I've seen a lot of ai arts in the past 2 years and let me tell you something. Ai art, lacks creativity and "attention to detail". Those who only use or worship ai art wanted their future to be dystopia. Because that's what they gonna get if you let a tools control you. Looks at doc ock for example.
The only things ai could take over 100% are based in facts, like definitions to words, tbey could 100% be translator's, replacing shit localization jobs entirely. But art? That's based on opinions, there's no right answer. Unless machines stop being machines and start having wants, start having emotions, things they physically can't have at all currently, that'll remain the truth.
People who blame capitalism need to stop. It’s not the system, it’s the people who abuse the system. Capitalism is a fine system to have in place. It’s the asshole who run everything who are abusing capitalism, thus blaming their greedy asses on capitalism. While the system got you there, it’s not the system that turned you into what you are, that’s what sin is.
I have no problems with AI being used in small doses (ie. Asking for prompts, getting inspiration, etc.) because it’s a tool. You don’t consider a calculator a great mathematician, or a pencil as a masterful artist, you look at the people using those tools as the greats. Why would AI text or image generators be any different than a calculator or a pencil? It’s a tool, and while it can be used to enhance art, on its own it is not art.
Keep in mind that this could be our generations "back in my day". A tools a is a tools and a skill is only necessary to the one who had to learn it This stuff bin happening for centuries and will continue to. And don't blame capitalism For once it has nothing to do with this This is just good old fashioned iteration and would come to be regardless of tech bros
it kinda is related to capitalism(in its current use cases) as its focused on making things "More efficient" and cheaper, which is something capitalist economies really want to get in on before it becomes "too expensive" again
@notaclass-d1822 all societies want to become more effective. Capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on that. But I do agree that current use cases are extremely short sited.
Why do we want that? Because the visual art isn't always the focus of the product. Small creaters will be able to make a much better product not having to spend hours on art they don't like or spend hunderds having someone else do it. Songs that just have a black screen don't do well. And having at least animated lyrics goes a long way. But song writers and musicians aren't painters. You're hurting smaller creators that can't commission or take the time to learn to do it themselves by being this narrow in your view I see you use digital art. Why don't you make traditional art?
If a smaller creator wont respect my craft why should i respect theirs? People aren’t owed art just because “without it my song wont perform as well :(“ there are so many other options and paths you could take before resorting to using AI generated images. If you don’t like drawing, take a picture, ask ur friends for help. Just cuz I need music and voices for my videos doesnt mean I’d feel okay generating AI songs or voices. I’ve spent hours learning about music and composition to make some of my own songs. If i used AI to just make one for me, it wouldn’t feel like my own, it’d feel like a crutch to my work, and one that says “i don’t wanna bother learning or asking for help or throwing some money ur way, i want my product out now because i don’t wanna wait any longer and i feel okay taking a shortcut” It’s disrespectful and selfish. Nothing is stopping anyone from learning art and that’s what is so great about it.
I think people are overreacting, AI is nothing but a tool, and can't replace anything more than Fiverr-tier jobs. AFAIK, nobody had this kind of outrage towards Photoshop or digital cameras. The reason for all the layoffs in the tech industry right now is actually from interest rates going up, thanks to the massive amount of $ the fed printed during the stay-at-home times, and AI is nothing but a scapegoat.
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Seeing cancelled animations always makes me so sad and mad. People literally spend hours of nonstop work to produce them and then a person of higher authority goes “uhm. No. this isn’t going to make money” and that’s the end of it. All that work just gone and not even for a reason other than money.
I haven’t even heard of driftwood until this very moment yet I’m still sad it’s cancelled because of how that poster looks. I can tell that the artists behind it really cared and now it’s just gone.
I use AI art to help me visualize ideas sometimes. Then I go in to make my full art, while keeping the AI in mind as like, a rough suggestion.
Thats about the only real use I’ve found for it, in legitimate art.
100% this. AI is only for this and memes.
I do something similar to this. I do it for inspiration and to get a better grasp on what it is I’m designing before going and doing it myself
I think AI can be helpful in smaller stuff than making the whole image. Like if I can ask it to name my layers based off what's on them. Or if I can tell it to select the ears of the cat and it does that for me. I also think AI upscaling of art can do a good job. Though I think it would be cool if you had a layer with line art and you started coloring on it it could tell you your on the wrong layer
So sad that everyone/ game company is choosing quantity over quality , making a bad game in little amount of time just so that they can make more money
Let's say you really need money.
If you could put out something in a month or two to guarantee some content instead of gambling on an ambitious dream project right now, get some complaints that you could ignore, and make a nice chunk of money... I promise you would do the same thing if the money was more important than the fictional/unimportant thing you made.
And if you say you wouldn't, you're missing the idea that if you did the latter option.. for a good while, you'd be sitting in a pretty shallow boat taking a big gamble on an idea that could absolutely fall apart without proper backing.
I think we as people care too much about the bad games for whatever reason they're bad instead of just focusing on the good ones. Overworking and other fields are other topics that stem from a different root,
but in general.. if your focus is more on something like that than what could benefit you or the people you love directly so you can do more for others in the future than you can right now, your sights are set to picky and your standards are overtop. Just like the games you like, if games suck then don't invest in it or complain that it's bad/lackluster, and instead look at both perspectives of not just the players or the low level developers, but also the people with a lot of pressure in the big seat.
You don't need to lean towards anyone, just consider everyone.
Not trying to be rude but rather factual.
@@EchoRUclips ok
@@EchoRUclips
If talking about a Indie Dev, that is true.
But it cannot be said about any of those billionaire AAA enterprises
@@EchoRUclips *duke nukem into riff*
Wow, that's a lot of words. Too bad I'm not readin' em.
*Duke nukem exit riff*
So sad to see people put down indie developers that have trouble creating their own art.
Not everyone is lucky enough to have those skills. Gatekeeping creation is not a good look
Please make again long format videos like this where you talk about things
I've been working on one! It's a big personal and kinda silly thing
@@Jacadamia yippee
@@Jacadamia Thanks, now I'm hyped !
Never heard of driftwood but seeing that beautiful picture and immediately seeing it was canceled broke my hurt. In the same second I found out about it it was gone
Looks like It could have been amazing.
I think the only people who legitimately want AI are the ones who aren't talented/creative enough or just too damn lazy to make their own things.
and then the people who think that ai is better than real art and that it took them time to make it.
*oscar bartolome
This is only making it so that people who can't draw feel worse about themselves.
@@omgman5745 it's a lovely little thing called practice 😊
Damn, didnt know elitism was still a thing in todays art.
Have you considered shutting up and letting puople express themselves with whatever tools they want? Or does every chisle, paintbrush, keyboard, kilobite of code, sowing needle and so on need to be santioned by a comittee first for it to be acceptable to use?
@@ehtresih9540 AI is NOT the way and I'm not finna let yall make me feel bad about saying it 🤷🏾♀️😂
This is what ive been saying, i dont see AI completely snuffing out art because i just dont see everyone settling for it. People in history has always valued a product more when time and effort had been put into it.
Will this snuff out jobs in large corporations? Unfortunately, yes. But it will not snuff out art as a whole, and know for a damn fact there will be companies who will seek artists and advertise themselves as on relying on real art, and not algorithm stealing garbage.
Artists will still have their patrons. Continue using AI poisoning tools, continue calling out shit corporations when they use ai art, support the ones that still care what goes into their product. If you do that, things should be okay. Its just another hurdle life tossed at us, and we'll be sure to overcome it.
People will still want something real, I feel bad for anyone that can "only draw digitally" because that is now even less valuable than it was.
@@ocelot420_69 the amount of people that have been saying digital artists art is just ai is absurd, its frustrating the lengths they have to go now just to have their art accepted.
Replace ai with digital and you have the same fear mongering of when digital art became popular
@@group555_ the difference is digital art still requires artistic skill, you still have to draw out what youre making, still have to color it, rely on your own brain to make it the way you want it to be. With ai generated images, you just type some keywords(though some people can get pretty advanced with it) and it churns out an image. no one is being a luddite for not wanting something that is almost entirely done for our own enjoyment to be poisoned by the "it needs to be more efficient and fast" mindset
@notaclass-d1822 except ai generrators, while fully capable of making a cool looking image with minimal input, still require all those same skills to create truly good art pieces.
You need to know scene placement, light direction, colour theory, symbolism, etc, etc, if you want to make art. These have to be chosen intentionally. You can't just have the ai choose that for you. You have to itterate and change elements till you have your vision, your intend.
Maxx Profit Haltman 😭
One of the best names for a Kirby villain
The Egg Man at the end is perfect. But these are really solid points.
im only gonna use ai to make cursed images nothing else
callmecarson's Baskin bit will forever live in my head rent-free
that, and cookie monster vomiting at a gas station
Profits, products, people, processes, THAT IS YUMMY PHRASING
This is why I love New Blood as a publisher company, they let their games that they are publishing work for years in early access, they hate money, and they love people.
Its always sad to see the visually appealing get cancelled before we know anything about it
I hope corporations embrace all this garbage but only because it will allow real artists to be seen more as people get tired of the junk content. That way, the garbage corporate content dies, and the artist work with no limitations succeeds.
In short, I want corporations to use it and fail, and real artists to take advantage of the corporate failure to make more passion projects popular.
(Like how triple A games are dying and indie games are growing)
Then the big businesses are wondering why indie developers (film/animation/games etc) are blowing up
Efficiency is the killer of beauty
This is why indie stuff is getting more recognition nowadays
There's a panel in a Calvin and Hobbes comic where Calvin's Dad says something to the effect of "we have all these new machines and tools that help us save time on our work, but all it's done is make people expect things faster, so the amount of effort we have to put in has actually gone up, along with our stress"
I'm paraphrasing, since I can't find the comic, but I feel like it's relevant to what's going on here
In a perfect world (which I am aware we will never have, at least not in our lifetime), I think it would be cool if actual artists can use AI for practice. Like for example; a potential AI program that is fully ethical (only takes art samples from submitted art) that artists may use for practicing poses, like asking it to generate a structure you haven't drawn before and learning from that by taking it as a reference image.
Of course as it currently stands, this is not going to happen any time soon, but I do like AI for its potential to be good. It just sucks that it's currently most captivating for those who only want it for robotic efficiency.
A lot of creative industries are struggling to compete with individuals. Ai tools and software that can be used to improve productivity could mean more individuals pushing out big rooted in industries.
I think AI can be helpful in things outside of making the whole image. Like image selection, like select the foot for me. Or if it can name my layers based off whats on them. Or if it could tell me im painting on the worng layer. I also think image upscaling of images is helpfull. Also if the AI could help with the technical stuff, like ask it to find the setting thats always hard to find that you only need once a year.
The Kirby video in the background at the beggining was a massive reanimation project btw. It was called....
Kirby reanimated collab
By Kirby reanimated
"We live in a society" you don't know how hard I laughed at that part-
I just like using it to see what AI will make. It can be pretty funny. :3
I mean genuinely, if you try not to copy something, like, telling an AI to make Naruto several times and instead do funny stuff like, muscular squirrels flying in space or mermaids made out of coral, you can get some fun and cool stuff. Maybe even some inspiration for a drawing.
But it's not a replacement for artists. There's plenty of evidence for that.
One thing I am curious though is, can a AI be genuinely taught how to draw? o.o Not, 'make a exact replica of this' or 'make this after studying images on the internet. But genuinely, with a paint program, follow instructions on how to draw like people do in art lessons.
That I'd really like to see.
Omg i wrote a book called Wolf Adventures when i was little and it wasn't great, but it was good for my age! Now i wanna animate it for a video, that sounds super fun :D
There's ai art being good and ai art being bad, it all depends on the situation. Many artists use it as inspiration for their drawings when they have no ideas (me included) and many people use it for horror by getting purposely uncanny ones (Like Liminal Park and me getting cursed emojis as reaction images)
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Just to clarify, the video where this comes from was made in _"early"_ 2023, now we have games like Lethal Company and Helldivers 2, and series like Digital Circus that demonstrate that people want quality over quantity (at least in the long term), just take a look at EA and Disney, they are both going to fail because of greed, and if they don't change minds, this will happen to Activision and DreamWorks because of the same thing
I know that what I'm going to say will have nothing to do with the video, but, I like your art style :3 I don't speak English but I like to see this artist even if he speaks English
We live in a society where
I more like that one program that would give you parts of drawings other people uploaded to it so you can use it for parts you’re struggling with
Kirby reanimated mentioned. W
I think their will always be "hand made" bautique items that are valued more by how they are made than what they are. But I feel like if people want ai art will be up to society and to them I'm not really sure how much they care. Like to a lot of people content is this thing that appears that they can consume not knowing the origin.
I've never been so fast in love with a movie and heart broken. CN and every other big companies are an actual parasite that suck the life out of projects just to cancel them for a quick buck.
It’s kinda funny cuz i feel like kirby isn’t in this boat
to answer the caption: NO!!!
I accidentally foind a perfect character while trying a new ai tool
My opinion on it changes based on context.
If corporations or producers have the choice of paying artists/commissioning art, and instead opt for generating art & using that for their product, then it sucks and I hate it and it's _literally_ putting artists, freelance or employed, out of a job.
But if it's a guy (me) generating art of portraits & locations that they're gonna use for their personal project (my dnd campaign), and you don't have the money to pay for commissions (no job), then I say go for it.
Obviously agree w/ all the points in the short. That said, if I find an artist who takes commissions whose style is similar to what I have in mind, and I have the funds to pay them, I will. Atm I've yet to find an artist whose style is similar to what I see in my head, and I have no money, so I'm just gonna generate away ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly.
It's truly terrible to be used in a corporate setting, or as though it had been hand-drawn by the supposed "artist."
But to use it non-commercially just for fun, or for inspiration, that is how it should be used.
I feel like if we give ai the process of tweaking minor details of animation and drawing as a whole would be great, but not make entire art pieces 😅 also I feel as if it’s not exactly a capitalist thing, it’s more of a societal and moral thing, because there are companies and channels that live art like Ghibli studios, or Glitch for example
Amen
I would say that's why indie companies have been really taking off lately. Indie animators and game designers aren't really focused on appealing to an algorithm or squeezing cash out of their buyers. They're genuinely pationate about what they're making, and as a result, the products are better than larger scale companies.
Tbh i think the only use of Ai ive seen as of recently that hasnt been awful is lip syncing in video games, its a very tiring for animators to do and the help of not needing to think of it too much is sure to help!
I guess it does fall into the "making games faster" but id say this is a fairly reasonable thing to want
well that's AI assistance, not generative AI, which is what most artists have a problem with
@Jacadamia ah yes, I didn't know what Catagory that fell into but I quite happy some ai is being used for things people genuinely appreciate and would want without it taking over their job
Ai art can be fun, but it can't replace traditional art. It's just a gimmick.
If... AI will be pushed by all companies, people who like normal art better, will give indie artists a bigger chance of succes, or maybe even this could form a better art community.
If AI art is normalized, barely any bad commisions get asked!
If its not given enough value, the work no longer becomes good enough. They'll have to face the end results of their decisions then.
Thats why its better to own your own stuff and not let it be controlled by mega corporations. Notice all those IP they sit on? Dont let it be your creations too. BECOME their competition, and beat they asses with quality. Thats what I say.
Won't be easy, but at least your work is still yours.
Art is art. As long as it was set inmotion by an entity its art, and even then that definition seems a bit restrictive
Art is not having an idea, it's executing it.
Ordering rice with olives at a restaurant is not being an artist, commissioning a painting of barefoot sonic to an artist is not being an artist, writing a prompt in an "ai" (search engine) is not being an artist.
I think that there is a lot of business or generally "non artistic" use cases of AI art
We artists always think of art like this thing that we love to do, and put work on and appreciate. But my mon just need something to put on the birthday card. The business presentation just need some stock people and the super market commercial that you never heard of just need an ok mascot
These people aren't there to appreciate art, they just need one. I think that's where AI comes in. If someone wants something special they will hire someone, if not they will use AI simple as that, and i can't blame them honestly
I understand that view of art, i’ve been dealing with it my whole life as an artist. However i think it’s a problem, it’s an unfortunate and disrespectful view in my opinion and i think AI only exacerbates it. A lot of people are conditioned to view art as a “product”, more than ever now, and social media kind of adds on to this unhealthy mindset that everything you do and post online has to be a consumable product of some kind that “builds your brand”
Warning: Long and philosophical college educated analysis below.
I like tea, I own teapots, it's just like the world of ceramics. Sure you can get an inexpensive teapot from a factory made in a mold but getting a hand made one is different. You see the very human element in the creation of it, the years of mastering the process of making a spout that pours a perfect laminar flow, and the aesthetic choices of the potter. Not only that a hand made piece speaks of a person in a place at a time, along with showing the visual language and aesthetic values of a culture. That is what makes something "Art" and not a product. Art can be everything from a situational event or a conceptual repurposed object to a very intimate piece used in daily life. AI image generation does not produce art, it takes that which was art produced by artists and creates an imitation. Photographing a painting does not create new art, image generation algorithms can not produce art. These programs do not have sentience, can not conceptualize the self, another, or their place within time and society. Image generation algorithms can not and will never create art. If we somehow create a true digital entity that can conceptualize self, others, time, society, and place within all that; then I will say that any visual products are "art".
Consider it like a Microwave.
Just because you can use it to heat food doesn't make you a chef, but it can make an otherwise complicated process a lot easier.. and even for some circumstances, the benefits outweigh the other standard options.
Point is: Art is about the process. You aren't a chef by using a microwave, but you're using it to achieve a similar result for similar purposes a chef would cook food.
Maybe the quality or value wouldn't be worth as much as someone putting in the effort to making it, or moreso adding heart and passion.. but it did accomplish its point: to heat the thing so the person who wanted it heated could have it heated.
AI is the same thing. A glorified MK100 microwave that doesn't heat things, but generates stuff.
Eventually, it's going to be able to do a whole lot of stuff, and for the people who aren't as good at creating their own art(which "Art" stems from presenting one's own expression and doesn't just mean drawings or sculptures but rather **craft** which means it could be anything), they'll have a tool to expand upon for delving deeper into this field without having to commit as much to get a bigger result.
A lot of people fail to recognize that an "Artist" of any kind is still going to have an edge over the average joe when it comes to AI.
You'll have the built knowledge over vast amounts of experience to harness the fantastic new tools to create work never seen before much better than a novice or unmotivated content spammer could do. The standard will go up, but the skill ceiling goes up faster than the skill floor opens.
What I'm saying is that with these extremely dense and expansive tools, Artists are not in jeopardy at all. It just means that individuals who can use the tools better and adapt will overcome and become more efficient in the field than those who can't or won't learn.
And the truth is, that's how it is now. It just feels different because we don't understand how it's going to feel yet when it's fully immersed into society.
Once it is, and everyone can do the basic stuff that we consider complex right now in this early day and age, "complex" will have a new meaning in the future.
There is no fear if you're willing to take the reigns and continuously use the new tools to create even better and vastly more extravagant and densified things than yesterday.
And at the end of the day, with how big everything around us is and how many "local" communities there are with the extreme amount of people on Earth(even on RUclips, this channel is a local community of everyone who enjoys his animations), there will always be an audience that someone can find and make for themselves.
Maybe those who use the new tools better will reach higher spots, but if you can see past your own individual ego and be okay with being a top dog or an average creator that simply likes to create for whatever reasons they do, it'll all be okay and pan out how life intends it.
Ambitious and determined people will always strive higher than those who don't care. Just live to be you, that's all anyone can ask for themselves.
And it's okay to be scared or threatened by these things if you're not comfortable with the idea. Just become as self-aware as you can, and you'll feel better the more you learn and adapt.
Everyone can use the Microwave,
but those who stick metal in the Microwave do worse..
..than those who have learned to make a hotdog bun fluffy, instead of soggy, by wrapping it in a very lightly soaked paper towel.
Oh yeah, an artist can take AI and make art faster and more pretty with its aid?
Except AI generated pictures have no compositional, color or design value at all most of times, it is just 100% robot-made fast food, not even a microwave. You cannot even make anything new with an already cooked cheeseburger with soggy bread, hard cheese, dry patty and hairy mold over it, the hairy mold being that it isn't even following moral laws, it'll give you a stomachache.
When does one start and stop being a chef?
@@VOlDNOVA Yes, but it can be good for inspiration (Speaking as someone who doesn't like AI art.)
@@ehtresih9540 Some say it is when they start cooking food for a living, but I personally subscribe to the school of thought that it's when they cook by themselves, even if aided by recipes, from scratch (Or maybe from a box mix.) When they cook up a steak, or bake a cake, or fry some eggs, or make a salad, and when they start to do it at least semi-regularly, practicing.
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I've seen a lot of ai arts in the past 2 years and let me tell you something. Ai art, lacks creativity and "attention to detail". Those who only use or worship ai art wanted their future to be dystopia. Because that's what they gonna get if you let a tools control you. Looks at doc ock for example.
Good enough work is really sugarcoating it
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AI isn't the problem,it's corporate greed
The only things ai could take over 100% are based in facts, like definitions to words, tbey could 100% be translator's, replacing shit localization jobs entirely. But art? That's based on opinions, there's no right answer. Unless machines stop being machines and start having wants, start having emotions, things they physically can't have at all currently, that'll remain the truth.
People who blame capitalism need to stop.
It’s not the system, it’s the people who abuse the system.
Capitalism is a fine system to have in place. It’s the asshole who run everything who are abusing capitalism, thus blaming their greedy asses on capitalism.
While the system got you there, it’s not the system that turned you into what you are, that’s what sin is.
The system that lets people hoard wealth and force other people to do their bidding is not the problem! It's the people that abuse the system!
I have no problems with AI being used in small doses (ie. Asking for prompts, getting inspiration, etc.) because it’s a tool. You don’t consider a calculator a great mathematician, or a pencil as a masterful artist, you look at the people using those tools as the greats. Why would AI text or image generators be any different than a calculator or a pencil? It’s a tool, and while it can be used to enhance art, on its own it is not art.
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so true tho
I only use ai for shitpost
Keep in mind that this could be our generations "back in my day".
A tools a is a tools and a skill is only necessary to the one who had to learn it
This stuff bin happening for centuries and will continue to.
And don't blame capitalism
For once it has nothing to do with this
This is just good old fashioned iteration and would come to be regardless of tech bros
it kinda is related to capitalism(in its current use cases) as its focused on making things "More efficient" and cheaper, which is something capitalist economies really want to get in on before it becomes "too expensive" again
@notaclass-d1822 all societies want to become more effective.
Capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on that.
But I do agree that current use cases are extremely short sited.
Well now I'm gonna blame the scrubs who are thirsting for bad, soulless content JUST to have something to MAKE FUN OF.
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Some people can't draw
Everyone can draw. It is not something you're born with, it's something you learn. Learn to draw.
@@Gerbert67 that's really easy to say if you're actually good at drawing, not everyone has that talent.
I WANT AI GENERATED ART, CUS I'M EVIL!!
This cute lil guy making me think
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Why do we want that?
Because the visual art isn't always the focus of the product. Small creaters will be able to make a much better product not having to spend hours on art they don't like or spend hunderds having someone else do it.
Songs that just have a black screen don't do well. And having at least animated lyrics goes a long way.
But song writers and musicians aren't painters. You're hurting smaller creators that can't commission or take the time to learn to do it themselves by being this narrow in your view
I see you use digital art. Why don't you make traditional art?
If a smaller creator wont respect my craft why should i respect theirs? People aren’t owed art just because “without it my song wont perform as well :(“ there are so many other options and paths you could take before resorting to using AI generated images. If you don’t like drawing, take a picture, ask ur friends for help.
Just cuz I need music and voices for my videos doesnt mean I’d feel okay generating AI songs or voices. I’ve spent hours learning about music and composition to make some of my own songs.
If i used AI to just make one for me, it wouldn’t feel like my own, it’d feel like a crutch to my work, and one that says “i don’t wanna bother learning or asking for help or throwing some money ur way, i want my product out now because i don’t wanna wait any longer and i feel okay taking a shortcut”
It’s disrespectful and selfish.
Nothing is stopping anyone from learning art and that’s what is so great about it.
I think people are overreacting, AI is nothing but a tool, and can't replace anything more than Fiverr-tier jobs. AFAIK, nobody had this kind of outrage towards Photoshop or digital cameras. The reason for all the layoffs in the tech industry right now is actually from interest rates going up, thanks to the massive amount of $ the fed printed during the stay-at-home times, and AI is nothing but a scapegoat.
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