Dillon CP2000 Case Prep Machine Overview and Setup
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A lot of people use progressive reloading presses for case prep. But what if you want a dedicated machine for case prep, and don't want to pay for a priming system, powder measure, and other parts that aren't needed for case prep? Dillon has risen to this challenge with the CP-2000 case prep machine, the topic of this video!
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I still can't wait for the "Progressive press shootout" I can only assume Dillon is going to have several entries because of all the options they have. This is really cool if I was a big time competition shooter this would be a must have...
Gavin is my "go to guy". If I'm interested in reloading equipment, I first checked to see what he says about it. I know I am going to get a reliable evaluation.
I have a Lee APP press for my case prepping and for the money, you can’t beat it.
Best reloading site on youtube in my opinion. Thank you for everything you do to promote reloading!!!!
I love watching this guy ! He’s got the job of my dreams. I get think it’s funny that his hands are beat up like mine. He’s always wearing a bandaid or a nail is blacked or something. Keep up the good work Gavin! 20 years ago I thought reloading would die and no one would bother anymore. Keep us interested and informed please sir. Deepest respect and admiration sir, jesse.
i have a hornady AP press never had a problem with it , so i stay with it
i dont swag any crimped primers case i get into the dumper for me
Love that you covered up the shop behind you, makes it much easier to see what you are doing!
I use a Dillon 750 w/dedicated head for my case prep. For once fired military 5.56mm #1 is a heavy duty deprimer, #2 is a primer pocket swager that replaces primer install assembly, #3 empty, #4 is the dillon size die and trimmer, #5 empty. before I found the swage gizmo for #2 I would use the Dillon bench mounted swager which works very well, but the new set up is so much quicker
OK I want one. I have so much Dillon equipment I can't see how this tool would be anything other than perfect. Thanks for the demo
I do all mine on a Lyman mark 7 Revolution ..works like a champ
Tumble in Platinum rotary tumbler: thanks for the review on that product.
Single station Pacifi/Hornady press for resize and decal.
Lee APP press for swage
Back to the single station to trim, chamfer, debit with Lee power deluxe quick trim: thanks for the review on that product!
Thanks for your work Gavin
I don’t see the benefits over the 1100 and a separate tool head for brass prep being worth the money.
You can set up swaging and the 1500 in minutes
To answer your question I have a separate press to prep my brass. I have a Lee Classic Cast Single Stage Press with an installed quick change bushing that does everything for me from decapping, resizing, swaging with an RCBS swager to bullet pulling with the Hornady bullet puller.
I use Hornady Iron Press, Ammo Plant and a Redding T7. Very happy with all three. I know Dillon is also great, but I can't afford them! Shalom/gw
I do this almost exact set-up. Only thing I have yet to figure out, and maybe it is only possible through the magic of video editing, is how to get the case feeder to drop Consistently. About every 20 cases or so I get a 9mm case inverted. ALL of the videos I see show these presses running flawlessly. I know that is not possible but I need it to run better. Tips video, and not just another sales pitch video for Double Alpha, would be helpful on tweaking this and the RL100.
Next step...fab up a something that would allow for this to run in tandem with another machine ie you feed this but three feet below out pops a fresh made round. Be like a stackable washer and dryer lol.
I love the visual on that one !!!! :)
Love the content and how you explain your plans…
My question is would you clean the brass 1st before any brass go into the dies to avoid contamination?? Thanks
I wet tumble first. Then run through this process. I then dry tumble afterward to re-polish the brash and ensure any brass shavings from the trim process are cleared out as well.
I have an old Dillon 1000 he probably made in his garage back in the day.
I have run a lot of 223-308 through- along with pistol stuff.
Just do the case prep in one operation and loading in another.
It is as good as anything except perhaps Wilson dies.
Would be nice to do some rough ROI calculations on this sort of setup. How many rounds does one need to load to justify a fully auto Dillon setup vs more manual systems?
Maybe hang an arbitrary $10-15/hr on personal time, even if some reload for relaxation ☺
Also, some tests of accuracy results of bulk vs. manual precision loading would be interesting.
Edit: I am pretty sure the amount of ammo I sold during this shortage my RL1100 paid for itself.
For me personally I really wanted a system I can seat primers on down stroke and swage primer pockets and trim on the fly so I picked up RL1100 and I am quite happy. I got a friend who got one 30 years ago and still uses one. His super 1050 has lifetime warranty, he just loaded 50k rounds of .223 that alone would return on investment.
Ok I did some math using Gavin's ammo cost calculator. His cost best I can count is $200/1000 and a typical cost of 223 right now I want to say $550/1000 thats $350 savings times 50 = $17500 saved.
Dima Prok -does your wife really believe you?
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@@michaelgarrow3239 She doesn't know how much I paid for it he he he :))))) But there is a box where I keep all the cash from sold ammo and it's a "proof" that machine makes me money :)
@@DimaProk how much was the license to manufacture and how long did it take to get and insurance costs and any zoning issues?
I am waiting for next tube with trimmer. As I was loading high volumes of 5,56/7,62, I came to same set-up, like CP 2000 but with my DP 1050 and run cases twice. First is calibratrion, de-priming, forming with small base Redding die and trimming. Only troubles, I shoot is expanding neck after running trought trimming die, because neck is sized down and should be formed by expanding ball, which I do as first step during loading proces. Only disadvantage is, that you are stressing case neck 3 times during case preparation and some cases crack at neck.
I've been using the 550BL for 223 Rem and 300 BLK case prep with the RT1500. Going to upgrade to a RL1100 and add 308 Win.
I do everything on my load master or pro1000 never tried a Dillon but maybe someday.
You won’t ever regret it or look back.
So you need a CP2000 and a RL1100 to actually produce usable ammo. Interesting, almost $4000 without that caliber conversion kits for each, lets say the average shooter reloads 6 different calibers, well that's at least another $1,000 in caliber conversion kits. Nice machines, out the price range of 99% of reloaders, I'll invest that in components like primers, powder and bullets instead.
So you are sizing, swaging and trimming dirty brass? I don’t think I would want to run that through a mechanical indexing press.
Won't hurt it one bit d i e s are cheap brother. Everybody reloads differently, first I do the annealing process, then I resize deprime and full-length case size then go to my trimmer. Clean out the pockets. Wipe them off real quick start reloading
I was interested In this set up I’m glad you did a video on it. I am using a Lee load master as my prep press. I just can’t swage on it. But station one is obviously deprime and size I use the Lee trim die on station 4 because it’s right In front of me and use the Lee deluxe quick trim on my impact driver works good it’s a poor mans prep station and as much as I go through .223 I think I’ll stick to it after watching the video. Nothing against the Dillon setup but it’s about return on investment. If I was going through 500 to 1k a month in 223 you bet I would get this Dillon but I don’t hardly shoot that volume a year in that caliber.
I can't find your second video. I would very much like to watch it.
Dillon makes some great stuff for sure. Unless you're a commercial ammunition manufacture, I can't see a economical justification for buying one of these fantastic case prep presses.
Almost $3000 for one caliber and a few hundred more per caliber conversation. Plus the cost of components now a days.
I would calculate that you would have to load close to or 25k rounds before you even came close to braking even.
Gavin's come a long way since the days when Dillon basically told him to get bent when he asked them to rebuild an old reloader (at no cost) he had acquired. LOL Now, that his channel has exploded and all the manufacturers love him because he never says a bad thing about all the free products they throw at him, Dillon apparently finally got on the UR bandwagon and throws free stuff his way now.
I question the "these were purchased separately" part when referring to the caliber conversion kit and die set. Maybe he meant we have to purchase them separately if we buy the CP2000.
Either way, I'll be watching out for the follow up videos. Although, I won't be buying a CP2000.
Still can't beat Lee app with the case feeder for the price
wow, how fast was that (timelapse), esp. for ocd how could you see what screws you where doing, and what it was (this is why slow and talking come into play), as then we can UNDERSTAND how it goes together, AND can follow along, esp. for us quite visual learners, who need step by step.
You have the best job on the planet...love your channel,,Keep the videos coming
Thanks 👍 Totally agree :)
I just emailed Dillon and hopefully they’ll be willing to sell me a CP2000 minus the case feeder mi know that defeats part of the machine’s purpose, but due to a HALO parachute accident while in the military I’m a paraplegic and can’t reach the case feeder to use it. It’s why I use my other Dillon machines minus the case feeders.
What did they tell you? I’m interested to know if they accommodated you on the sale.
@@Colonel1Bravo They told me no, my guess being that as it’s packaged up it goes down an assembly line and they can’t interrupt the line for one order. They told me that I could sell that part.
@@RobinP556 sad to hear. They have always had a great warranty but every time I call them I always get what seems to be a slightly rude person being very short with me. I like their products but their customer service reps while knowledgeable can be on the rude side.
@@Colonel1Bravo In my experience their customer service is entertaining. It’s better than Comcast or AT&T, but what isn’t.
run both swage rods so the head doesnt tilt and a pre sizer is pointless
Help me understand why Case Trimming isn't an essential step for the CP-2000.
Do you have to do this in 2 separate steps. Can't you size/deprime, swage and trim all in 1 continous setting?
You can but but do you really want a case lube on the brass? I also spray that some of it gets inside the necks too so when you're expanding it's not dry. Brass prep actually takes a lot of work. I wet tumble the range brass and than again after sizing / trimming, but the plus side is that it gets rid of sharp edges, no need for chamfer or deburr.
I deprime first cause I dont that crap in my machine then clean then process all in one pass then clean agaib
I use my rcbs pro 7 for this only problem is the case feed is manual , have you heard of anyone attaching a casefeeder to it, looking forward to the next video
Love your Video's, do you disassemble your Reloading Dies, to clean them and is there a certain way you do
this?
This, or 16 Lee APP units?
But.... but... but... but,,, It's a DILLON !!!
I'm trying to figure out if I can raz you about the Harbor Freight toolbox (US General) - but my HART toolbox won't allow me ;-)
Why waste the money, even snap-on boxes are imported now. Leaves more money for reloading supplies.
@@msa4548 100% - I'm not kidding, I have some HART tool boxes - and they are pretty nice. Got them when Walmart put them on clearance. I don't need something that came off a big truck with a payment book!
@@JohnSchenck I'm not knocking it. My brother paid over $7k for a matco toolbox when he could have bought a comparable one from harbor freight (for less than $2k)and used the rest of the money for more tools. I have a simple craftsman that holds everything I have.
I have the CP2000 also, my question is, what are you doing for the neck after going through the trim/size die? Do you think its ok to chamfer and clean and load? I was concerned about not having a expanding ball after sizing??? Love some feedback.
Can you run the case motor wire up the tube and come out a hole in the top. It would look better. Also what are the difference between the 1050 and 1100?
Thank you great video
It would be a great press option if you are, P r s type person or a varmint shooter, high-capacity prairie dogs
I have a Lee hand trimmer and dewalt drill . $4.75 (I already had the drill).
So basically, Dillon got inspired on a LEE design or idea.. ??
I think your videos are great and very informative. But I am at the point, what good are they without primers? Hopefully primers will be available soon and I can then enjoy your videos again.
Brownells had them in stock recently. Prices have gone up significantly--around $140.00/1000, $600.00 plus for 5000. These were CCI benchrest primers. Regular primers may be a tad bit less. But nevertheless, prepare yourself for sticker shock.
@@youngsnelson4346 yup ridiculous. If the g o v t would stop spending all of our tax money on the stuff just to give to other countries we could probably find and afford them
Why is sizing done in two stages?
What are your thoughts on using a linear actuator on a press? Theres L.A. now available with 6" stroke, speed control and settable reversing limiting switches.
You mean like DYI auto drive? It uses motor instead. Look it up.
The machine does not come in "Dillon blue"? Are they trying to save on paint? Cheech.
Blue is ending at XL 650/750. From 1050/1100 all are black. 😀
Are we ever gonna get primers?
At $2K, I will keep doing my sizing and swaging separately.
What is the best anti-rust, long term storage, gun oil?
I believe Birchwood Casey’s Sheath is close to best, if not best oil preservative. Better protection can be had by wax or grease.
@@Fatelvis111 Thanks! I'll give it a try. Shalom/gw
@@Fatelvis111 Couldn't find it. Called Birchwood Casey. I think Sheath is discontinued. They were bought out by GSM Outdoors. Their customer support didn't know anything about it. Said they'd look onto it and get back to me. It has been my experience that when companies are bought out they often "go dark" and It's neatly impossible to get impossible to get any information. I bought LUCAS Oil products. They still answer questions. And the lady who reps their products is very knowledgable. She's also a competative shooter. :-))
Just buy a 750 and put bass trimmer and case feeder , anything else, same thing far less costly , swage on other set up that is it
Can I do everything this can do but with another 750?
I do this with my 750 with a dedicated tool head, it works great, you're not supposed to swage with it, but I didn't have any problems...
I should sell my 550 and buy one of these to compliment my xl750
So Ive noticed eith several videos featuring Dillon presses, there's no cleaning of the primer pockets involved at all. Why would you decamp and prime without cleaning?
Because they're videos showing off what Dillon presses do while not getting lost in the weeds. It also doesn't matter very much.
You'd dry or wet tumble after case prep, that's an unnecessary step for showing off products.
NICE. I'll be asking santa for this so I can do more 223
What the hell is cord rooting?
Routing
You should say how much this is
$1750 USD from Dillon's own website.
For $1800, I think I'll stick with Frankford Arsenal.
Lee app press
sooooo, basically a rich man's APP?
Seems like it to me, you would just need to run cases through twice, once to decap, once to swage, with the benefit of being able to clean after decap and before any sizing/swaging operations.
I can see the point of these machines if you are doing lots of bulk reloading and aren't terribly concerned about accuracy (if you can afford it) but if you are loading match ammo for a couple guns, taking the time to use a single stage press so that you can feel and tweak every step of reloading isn't going to take very much time out of your day. Being able to dedicate an inexpensive ACP for only one or two operations is also really nice because you won't have to change setups between operations (and possibly calibers).
You could do one ACP to decap, one to swage large primers, one to swage small, a cheap single stage to do anything that won't fit in an ACP and a nice single stage to do sizing, seating and crimping. That could be done for around $700 with case collaters, just add dies.
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This thing is for people who are just loaded with money ($1800 W_T_F???) Yeahhhh, ummmm, OH HELL NO!
Besides, it takes away from all the fun of reloading.
I can't shoot enough to afford the $1750 this machine sells for. I can do all I need to do with a few inexpensive hand tools.
I really liked watching your videos,,till recently,,I have no idea who told you it was a good idea but that idiot awfull guitar crap music just turned me off,,let me know wen you go back to the original filming of your products,,