This is one fight in the game where the victory really doesn't feel like one. Sephiroth? Evil. Shinra? Evil. Dyne? Just a man broken beyond repair. Even learning Marlene lived didn't help. Had the opposite effect, even.
@@EvelynL.1112 I'm not entirely sure Sephiroth had no regrets with his decision. I think there are VERY subtle hints -- particularly in the Remake -- that he's unsure of his chosen path. But I tend to see depth in minor things that others consider irrelevant. Your interpretation is probably more accurate.
This is certainly one of the moments in the game they went all out in FF7 Rebirth. Barret was just so emotionally destroyed here seeing what became of Dyne and having to watch him die again.
@@RamenReignss He's great, definitely think him and cody christian deserve to be nominated... I don't know too much about other games coming out this year so I wouldn't be surprised if there's like 3 ff7 rebirth VA's nominated lol
I remember when the first game came out and some woke articles were saying it was racist cause he sounded too black stereotype.. Man screw the woke s**t. And this Sweet Baby Inc crap. This is how you do story telling. Barret is an amazing character.
@@Swordmaster7th Why did you censor yourself saying the word S**t? You're not a woke hamas lover are you kid? Better not! Also why are you even into this game? It's about stopping climate change. Stopping authoritarians. And it has black people and strong mary sue type female characters. Things that alt right incels like yourself can't stand lolz. WTFF ARE YOU EVEN DOING WITH YOUR LIFE KID? Personally I'd walk into traffic and stay there if I was as brainless and pathetic as you. Some articles talking about games will never be as bad as a creep like yourself going on a mass shooting which happens just about every day with your kind. Eat my ballz loser.
I really appreciated how Cloud was distant and never showed any sign of empathy from remake and through most of rebirth and then when Barrett needed it most he told him he was there for him. It made the weight of his support even heavier.
I'm not sure I entirely agree. Cloud WAS more distant in Remake, but Barret was already warming up to him, and Cloud was already letting his guard down. It was kind of subtle the ways it was happening, but in particular the cutscene you get for completing all the Chapter 14 sidequests suggests they were starting to respect and even like each other. Then the moment where they teased each other while talking about building another bar in Chapter 15, then Barret agreeing to let Cloud stay behind and fight Rufus at the end of Chapter 17, "...but you better be right behind us!" Still, this moment was poignant. It showed how much Cloud had either changed or simply how much empathy he's always had despite his demeanor. It's part of the reason he's such a fascinating protagonist: you can never completely nail him down.
Agreed, they improved him quite a bit imo. In og ff7, it always felt like he was less interesting than Tifa, Cid, Nanaki, and even Yuffie and Vincent at certain events, but in Remake/Rebirth they really dove more into his story and personality. I love the "remorseful hero" type like Cyan in FF6 and Cecil in FF4 the best out of all of the FF archetypes.
Same here, absolutely did not expect to tear up at a character I never really cared much for in the original. I’m so glad they approached this backstory with as much effort and attention as they did. Even the soundtrack was spot on.
@@Evanz111 It's funny. Playing the game as a really young kid... I must have been close to 10 years old. So I was too dumb to follow the story line and didn't remember much about Dyne. Growing up though little bits of reality seeped into my brain. Learning about how awful human history is... How it's often filled with militant groups of azzholes going around pushing around small town folk who are kind and decent and just want to get by in life... Reminded me of what happened to Dyne but in a vague way... Here comes rebirth to retell the story in greater detail and mannn it really hits you sooo much harder. Remember folks. Never let a corporation get too much control.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Yeah, I was very young when playing the original too. Surreal experience seeing a remake of it, whilst also being old enough to finally understand the themes and have enough experience to relate to the characters. I don’t think much can create a strong feeling like that.
no it wasn't lol this scene is absolute garbage so melodramatic it takes away from the actual themes, they took away the core essence and filled it with colors and gay shit to please the brainrot generation of today
Even in the original this scene has never not brought me to tears. I've replayed 7 OG/rebirth several times over and this scene breaks me to pieces more than any other scene in the game
I do appreciate when certain boss fights have the party members say different quotes instead of what they usually say during battles. Barret talks no end of smack when shooting up regular enemies. But once he’s pitted against his long lost best friend, all he can say are things like “Forgive me.” and “It’ll all be over soon.”. It’s another one of those details that’s little yet adds a lot more to one’s character.
I wish they had done the same for everyone with Jenova Lifeclinger. Someone the gang deeply cares about literally dies in front of their eyes, but everyone stays in quippy anime mode during the fight. It's a little jarring. Not the end of the world, but a fair nitpick.
This scene was what hooked me in the og. I knew I wasnt just playing a regular game. I'm glad they did it justice. Different, but still good and now in new ways.
kinda ruined it makin dyne curse barret till his last breath n oh how dyne unalived himself... it was way more impactful. then giving barret even more guilt to carry on. smh square. lol. suprised he didnt go off the cliff after all that. also no momento of marlens mom. epic fail. but their battle here in rebirth is hype.
A cool little Easter egg for anyone who hasn’t done it but if you go back to where you fought him and visit his grave, Barrett will stay and observe it for a little bit, while everyone else walks off
VS the orig where barret cries, Cloud and gang just stand there going meh... And then the next part of the game acts as if Dyne never existed. LOL WHAT? This was much better lol.
@@kriss007G That's the beauty of this remake, absolute tone whiplash, stupid minigames out the ass, it's so wild how lock-step the developer's vision was with the fans
@@ILoveEvadingTax gotta love the lovely mess that is rebirth. It's so insane that even if you don't love this kind of thing in gaming... You still just end up loving it some how haha.
When cloud said "i mean it man" that hit hard". Somewhere deep in clouds subconscious he understands what it feels like to lose a close friend. It was like the truer Cloud came out for a sec.
Ill be real, after AC and KH and other stuff i didnt like Cloud at all bc he was constantly this sad, broken little thing and i hated to constantly feel sorry for him. Like at this point, if life sucks so much, it just feels ludicrous. Remake Cloud is so much better and it reminded me that in OG, he was beaten down, but still strong in spirit. Hes a good man who isnt just fronting to be a badass, he is one.
@@KOTEBANAROT it’s actually a crime my first exposure to cloud was the edgelord sad sack. The more I’ve learned of 7 over the years the more butchered the KH version seems to feel. This also applies to the other FF characters, some to a lesser extent but it just feels like a parody now.
Honestly Barrett is one of my favorite characters since he's an absolute unit with one of my favorite weapon types the gun arm so, this whole segment was one of my favorite parts on the original game. It's GREAT to see it made like this now!
I have a feeling they wanted to make the shooting scene with Barret and Dyne at the cliff much more violent, but held off to keep it classy. It's literally the backstory of why both of them have missing arms, and chances are the original draft had the arms getting severed by the gunfire.
Tricky to try and get some of the darker scenes while still keeping a T rating. But I still think they did a great job. Its probably why you don't see Barret and Dyne actually getting their arms shot off in the flashback. So they instead went with the "It was just so mangled it was better to remove the limb and get a prosthetic" which is fine.
@@rosenrot234 Also kind of unrealistic that anything short of like a minigun or something with an absurdly huge calibar could completely sever not just one but both of their limbs. More believable that the arm would just be mangled beyond saving.
@@shakeNbake91586 Well yeah that too. I was thinking more about the gore and how we don't really see stab wounds on the body showing gore or anything. Characters are instead clothed or just get a slice like Tifa did when they had her get her torso slashed. Anytime they actually show blood it does a damn good job at telling the player "Okay this is serious". Like when blood gets on Clouds face
Dyne's death scene actually had me tearing up. He's so broken and lost in despair. Believing himself far too twisted and bloodstained to be worthy of his own daughter.
Seriously, you'd think learning that Marlene was still alive would make him feel better, but instead it made him feel worse; the fact that his daughter has a father that's a killer pushed him over the edge.
Tifa: BUGGY!!!! I JUST GOT A BUGGY, IT’S REALLY SWEET! I CAN’T WAIT TO SHOW IT TO THE PEOPLE I MEET, IT’S MY BUGGY! MY *BUGGYYYYYYYY!* Cloud; Tifa, you’ve singing for 5 hours straight, calm the hell down!
Just got to this scene, been trying very hard to avoid spoilers. Just wow. They took a backstory and character that only really lasted a few minutes in OG FF7 and really gave it time to breathe. As other commenters said: they went all out. The delivery was fantastic, a great way to flesh out Barrett for players who never played the original.
@@keeganlafferty1395 Barret's a wanted terrorist and is well known for having a gun on his arm. It's kinda an easy assumption given Dyne's managed to go under the radar for so long.
John Eric Bentley is really good. Definitely one of the best performances in the English dub cast. He brings such a warmth and vulnerability to Barret.
I just love the call back to remake at 10:30 when Dyne says Barret will "take the load off your shoulders." Barret said this right after the reactor bombing, showing not only how his leader side was always there but also how raw and exposed he is that Dyne can see clear past it. At the man who failed him so badly, then abandoned them all to "fight" Shinra.
So the performances in this scene are really strong and definitely made me feel for the characters, but the way the original scene was written was more disturbing and tragic. In both versions Dyne has lost his mind, but in Remake they give him this kind of redemptive moment here when he saves Barret from the Shinra troops charging at them and he dies from their gunfire. In the original, when Barret reveals to Dyne that Marlene is still alive, Dyne wants to "send her to her mother", so that Elanor won't be "loney" (in his mind). Dyne was so broken that there was just no redemption for him. Then after losing the fight to Barret he kills himself because he said his daughter wouldn't even recognize him. He felt like he truly had nothing else to live for. Dyne's last words to Barret are to never let Marlene cry, and then after Dyne dies Barret says that his own hands are too stained to carry Marlene too. So while I really felt the emotions of the characters come through in this scene in Rebirth, the writing of the original scene hit me harder.
For me Dyne wanting to kill Marlene was kinda weird. It dehumanizes him, and If anything, makes me care less about his death. He just wasn't him anymore, he was dead already, so why should I care. It's disturbing in a fucked up way, not a tragic one. When the game makes you believe he actually may have some redemption, and he simply decides he's not worth living, that means he did it with what's left of his sanity, not just because his brain simply went kaput to the point of thinking about killing his own daughter. That's the death of a broken human, not just a carcass turning off. But I will say that there IS some cheesiness in all those soldiers coming again and again in specific moments so the drama could happen the way it did and the party kept holding back so Barret could have his moment. Just Barret and Dyne would feel more personnal. And I definitely agree that some lines were just too good to be left out. Barret saying his hands were as stained as Dyne's may be one of the best dialogues in the OG, and the game is full of good ones.
@@Daniel_Rodrigues_89 Yeah, the original game didn't actually want you to really feel bad for Dyne or feel like he still had a chance to redeem himself. You were supposed to have pity for Barret that his best friend was still "alive", but such a shell of himself that Barret essentially has to watch his best friend die again for a 2nd time. And by portraying Dyne as "too far gone" Barret has no choice but to let go of the past. The character development is all for Barret. In Rebirth they rewrote the story to still show Dyne as disturbed, but less psychotic and much more sympathetic. Which is why they give him the sort of sacrificial death scene (very similar to Zack's in Crisis Core.) For the original line from Barret about having too much blood on his own hands to carry Marlene, it was probably removed because in the original story Barret was responsible for the civilian deaths from the Reactor bombings. And he knew that was his fault even though he wouldn't admit it to anyone. In the Remake it was rewritten so that Avalanche only attempted to disable the reactor cores and President Shinra blew up his own reactors. So Shinra is responsible for all the innocent civilian deaths, not Avalanche. So in the context of the Remake trilogy, Barret doesn't really have innocent blood on his hands. So they cut that line because Barret's character arc isn't really going that direction anymore. I doubt that Cait Sith/Reeve will confront Barret on the Highwind about the Reactor bombing later on in the Remake trilogy. That scene will probably be cut completely or happen in a totally different context.
i miss the shock of thinking barret actually shot up the place, but i dont think that would work in rebirth because he's so much more fleshed out, you'd know he'd never do that
@@Daniel_Rodrigues_89dyne wanted everything to die. If you go back and look you realize he wanted barret to kill him when he realized Marlene was still alive. That was because he wanted to watch the whole world burn and he didn’t want that yo happen ti Marlene. He knew and admitted he was too far gone It wasn’t weird he just had a moment of realization that he couldn’t survive for the sake of Marlene
Barret has major Cyan from ff6 energy. Like when you peel back all of the bitterness you realize there's actually a sad man trying his best to be strong and blaming himself for everything. Driven by remorse.
@@Nosefacesame! I have a type, definitely. I also really like Sazh from ff13 (it was like, one of the only things i liked abt this game). Sazh was a sort of a foil for Barret - both black gunsman hanging out with weather-named tough soldier, but Sazh, while also hating the world and being filled with anger and bitterness, turned this hatred onto himself. You know, how when some people externalize the anger by finding an enemy to hate, and some people start hating themselves. I always thought Sazh was extremely well written, very realistic portrayal of a su*cidal person. He jokes a lot, but if you watch, you'll notice that his jokes are all filled with self-hate and how much the world sucks. So when he finally puts his gun to his head, its a shock, but theres been many red flags leading up to it. Just like barret, he thought the world is a hateful place filled with ugliness and he couldnt protect bits of beauty he loved, and unlike barret, he thought it was useless to try at all. Its similar to what happened to Dyne and it shows how strong Barret is. He did make a lot of mistakes but ultimately he still held firm belief that you CAN do somethign about it, that the hope ISNT lost. Hes very deeply hurt, and at times misguided, but he never seases to try and be better. Barret is a true leader and its good that he makes mistakes and yet doesnt let that break him, he always tries to learn. Hes an example for us all.
If Cyan didn't meet Sabin (and Shadow), I imagine you'd get someone like Dyne. The last living member of one's homeland, and a bloodlust-driven man driven by vengeance.
While different I think the quality of the changes were in equal parts. You really get Dynes emotional suffering. He really has lost it all and Barret can't change that. He doesn't forgive Barret, but he does defend him against Shinra. Makes you hate Shinra so much. Much more than the original. We really are going to save the planet from these fools.
@@Soniman001I think it’s because he convinced the people into voting for the reactor being built, or at least was the loudest voice in support for it.
@wchan39 It is realistic though. People need someone to blame. I think everyone was skeptical of Shinra, but Barrett “pushed” for the change the most. Even if he had good intentions and none of it was his fault, ultimately, people look to the closest person they can find fault with to take their anger out on. Shinra could’ve very well burnt the city to the ground if they said no, but they said yes, and a big part of that was because of Barrett. So all anyone can think of is “if it weren’t for Barrett, we wouldn’t be in this situation.”
Pretty impressive how Scarlet can hold on to the machine gun and does not show ANY recoil at all. Woman looks slender but is strong like a brick house.
@@MrReubenTishkoffGiven that she could throw hands with Tifa in the original (the same girl who could suplex Kaiju-sized Weapons), it's entirely possible that's the case lol
This was such a powerful moment in the game, and one of my favorites. I do wish, however, there wasn’t the abrupt tone shift after dyne dies. We go from Barrett weeping to fighting some mech monster with Palmer slapping his ass at you in the span of 30 seconds. This game is wild lol.
@@gozogo1233except the disc ends, basically serving as an intermission, then you have to leave the forgotten capital, trek through the snowy fields to reach icicle inn, confront the Turks and then snowboard. So while I get what you’re saying, it’s not really a 1:1 comparison. Palmer and Dio rock up immediately after Dyne’s death, completely sapping whatever emotional weight was there.
Can't help but appreciate the in-game fight quotes are also different this fight. It seems obvious but old games used to have you hearing the shit talk on your best friend fights lol. Was almost scared I'd hear Barret telling Dyne to suck it throughout the fight while being teary eyed before and after
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273being an ex Soldier is also so intrinsically part of Cloud at this point that he probably just didn’t have it in him to drastically change it until Advent Children
I liked it better when Dyne fell off the cliff killing himself, that was more dramatic and it could’ve been a good scene in the remake, but this scene was also good, at least Dyne will get buried and able to rest in peace
It's been over a decade since I played OG, so I barely remember the og Dyne scene. So this scene really hits hard for me since I don't have any nostalgia for the og scene. Barret's voice acting is top tier. I especially love the cinematography at 28:20 when Barret says goodbye, puts on his glasses, and walks away from Dyne's corpse. So heavy.
Not many moments during a boss fight. You feel this much raw emotion. Dyne as perfect in how hes portrayed,voice acting very well done. This boss fight is among the greatest in all of video games, not for the fight itself. The authenticity of both friends in that moment.
Cloud's mocap recently revealed that at 9:57 Cloud pushes Tifa out of the way first before running off 🤭 If you slow down the scene you can actually see his outstretched arm.
Eh... I liked that there was more focus on Dyne and Barrett's past. But having Dyne's last words be a spiteful potshot at Barret kind of missed for me. The whole deal was that Dyne had realized how far gone he was. And while Barret realized he should be the same way, he recognized the only thing separating himself from Dyne was that Barret had Marlene and Dyne didn't. So Dyne committed alt+F4. Not to say this new, spiteful, hate filled Dyne can't work. I actually like the concept. But where do these Shinra troops keep coming from? And why does no one notice them until there's like 10 right on top of them?
But seeing Dyne's reason for his attack was understood by Dio's easedropping, seeing him at the start for Barrett to see how far gone he was painful to him for any hope to saving Dyne from himself. And seeing Dyne going out in his own terms was better instead of dropping from a cliff, him going out in rebirth showed abit to Barrett that somehow he did manage through him abit. But nothing could bring back what he had lost: his wife and lost time with his Daughter
@@itsclean4827 Completely disagree, dude. Dyne's flawless voice acting alone sells the emotion much more any PS1 RPG could ever do with its blocky 3D. And I'm a fan of all the classics.
I can see that. I felt it was symbolism of shinra has unlimited power and reach. They destroyed their lives on a wim and Shinra will still march on. Also about spiteful, he does protect Barret from Shinra even if it's a suicide. He's lost everything, every part of himself to what Barret did. It makes sense he wouldn't forgive him. @@elevate07
Would’ve been badass to have Barrera refusal hand act like a maki energy shield similar to a jackels from halo and drain the sheild either taking damage or dealing it for more powerful attacks during this game play, would’ve added immersion to the world instead of him just tanking bullets and attacks
There's boob physics, and then there's anti-physics boobs. Yeah, you don't want to pander, but... at a certain point you're breaking some suspension of disbelief.
watched this to listen to John's performance again because I saw a video of him talking about how he lost his dad and that was him basically losing his best friend, man it's hard to not cry for Barret and John.
The performance is neat, i love Barret and Dyne actor here. However, i think i still prefer the more grounded original scene. Dyne who shot at the floor, Barret who don't move. Dyne cold stance. I'm not saying that this is bad, its a take, and sometime you prefer a take on another.
it was unnecessarily dark tho. just pure edge and it was weird. Some call the new one bad writing because it changed the original, but the original was just distasteful.
thats just how a madman or a psychopath really is, they dont care if its her daughter, wife or whatever they just wanna inflict pain and death@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273Nah. Original was better. Grounded, unhinged. Just because it bothers your sensitivities doesn't necessarily mean it's distasteful.
i've been playing the game in japanese so far but i guess i'll have to go around and replay from the start in english. this part in the original was already a tearjerk but with this good of a voice acting it's even better.
Dyne in the og offed himself throwing himself off a pit after the fight with Barret, pretty much the same lines, it hit hard then it hits harder now. Dyne's death here is much better handled along with his mental instability along with his friendship with Barret. Love this moment with Barret back then till now its one of the best segments in the game, personal stories of each characters in FF7 is so good, can't wait for Cid and Vincent's turn.
17:30 Barret: Hey Dyne do you know what time it is sucka Dyne: what Barret: I said DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS SUCKAAAAAA!!!! *Barrt used limits break on Dyne* Barret: Avalanche time monthafucka 😎 I just had to put it in there 😂
Cloud making sure Barret knows he is gonna be there for him is one of my favourite scenes. His development throughout the games is so well-done. Also, I hope Barret's voice actor gets an award. He poured his *soul* into the character.
Oh shit I just rewatched Remake (no pun intended), the "to help take the load off" was actually Barret's speech to the team (CLoud, Jessie, Biggs, Wedge) after the bombing of the first reactor in Midgar. So, Cloud remembered his speech and returned it to Barret. Nice callback!!
This scene has to grow on me, not saying its bad by any means. I enjoyed the take it was trying to give, but the OG sold it better. Not just because of the precedent of Dyne planning to Benoit his own daughter after learning she was alive, it was a man outta options that had nothing left which can resonate with a lot of folks who seemingly lost everything, he wasn't thinking anymore he was running solely on revenge and heartbreak, who can think clearly? After the fight when he gained some semblance of normalcy he gave his own reasons to go out because even he couldn't recognize himself so why would his daughter? It hit different. This scene embodied the opposite, it shows a man far gone from who he was and bitterness towards only Shinra, but his delusions leaked to everyone else hence the unprovoked shooting at Gold Saucer. Barret knew that he had to clear up the history due to that act alone, so it was inevitable that this would come to pass, but this portrayal gave him a last stand which could've still just been his dialogue from OG and the cliff jump, it never would've impacted it too heavily, but again I'm not expecting a 1:1 for this because it's setting up a happy ending premise for everyone involved. Not saying everyone having a happy ending is a bad thing but certain elements had their reasons for being there in the enrichment of the tale in OG.
And in the end, it did back-fire on them, considering they left survivor(s) that would end up forming Avalanche, a thorn in their side that set to motion all the events of resistance against them. Who knows what Cloud and Tifa would be doing if they didn't meet Barret.
I wonder why they changed the outcome of dyne death? OGFF7 dyne dies because he jumps off a cliff and kills himself after learning about his daughter being alive, which hits a lot harder.
This is one fight in the game where the victory really doesn't feel like one.
Sephiroth? Evil. Shinra? Evil.
Dyne? Just a man broken beyond repair. Even learning Marlene lived didn't help. Had the opposite effect, even.
To be fair, Shinra - Hojo in particular - broke Sephiroth too.
@@nicolasbanidol2371Yes, but Sephiroth happily embraces evil with open arms and never regrets what he did.
@@EvelynL.1112 I'm not entirely sure Sephiroth had no regrets with his decision. I think there are VERY subtle hints -- particularly in the Remake -- that he's unsure of his chosen path. But I tend to see depth in minor things that others consider irrelevant. Your interpretation is probably more accurate.
Just got there after the annoying amount of mini games 😅but damn done literally goated charcter 😢
This is certainly one of the moments in the game they went all out in FF7 Rebirth. Barret was just so emotionally destroyed here seeing what became of Dyne and having to watch him die again.
And kill him
Are you down to have sex
Barret has the best voice actor in my opinion.
@@RamenReignss He's great, definitely think him and cody christian deserve to be nominated... I don't know too much about other games coming out this year so I wouldn't be surprised if there's like 3 ff7 rebirth VA's nominated lol
@@linkshunter608 which one is Cody Christian?
If there’s an award for best voice actor, the person that voices Barret should be in that category.
Barrets VA also played the original game when he was much younger so he has knowledge on the kind of character Barret is
John Eric Bentley, the man💪first emotional scene for me. Touch hearing Barret scream out.
he killed it when the Plate fell and now does it again for Barrets backstory the man is such a good voice actor
Award for that exhausting comical voice??
@@applekicks3902you need an award for being a prick
God....I LOVE Barett's voice actor. They chose the right fucking guy
I remember when the first game came out and some woke articles were saying it was racist cause he sounded too black stereotype..
Man screw the woke s**t. And this Sweet Baby Inc crap. This is how you do story telling. Barret is an amazing character.
nah. should have been wesley snipes.
@@ssppeeaarr Nope. Mr. Bentley is an epic pick! Barret’s voice isn’t even his normal voice!
@@Swordmaster7th Why did you censor yourself saying the word S**t? You're not a woke hamas lover are you kid? Better not!
Also why are you even into this game? It's about stopping climate change. Stopping authoritarians. And it has black people and strong mary sue type female characters. Things that alt right incels like yourself can't stand lolz. WTFF ARE YOU EVEN DOING WITH YOUR LIFE KID? Personally I'd walk into traffic and stay there if I was as brainless and pathetic as you. Some articles talking about games will never be as bad as a creep like yourself going on a mass shooting which happens just about every day with your kind. Eat my ballz loser.
The guy put his literal heart and soul into the role, he (Barret's Actor) thought about the sadness he felt when his dad Died. No one does him better.
I really appreciated how Cloud was distant and never showed any sign of empathy from remake and through most of rebirth and then when Barrett needed it most he told him he was there for him.
It made the weight of his support even heavier.
Fav part of the game honestly. These two are always getting in each others way. For once that dies and a true friendship is born.
I'm not sure I entirely agree. Cloud WAS more distant in Remake, but Barret was already warming up to him, and Cloud was already letting his guard down. It was kind of subtle the ways it was happening, but in particular the cutscene you get for completing all the Chapter 14 sidequests suggests they were starting to respect and even like each other. Then the moment where they teased each other while talking about building another bar in Chapter 15, then Barret agreeing to let Cloud stay behind and fight Rufus at the end of Chapter 17, "...but you better be right behind us!"
Still, this moment was poignant. It showed how much Cloud had either changed or simply how much empathy he's always had despite his demeanor. It's part of the reason he's such a fascinating protagonist: you can never completely nail him down.
Barrett is the best character in the remake. They really show the pain in his eyes.
lol no
Agreed.
Agreed, they improved him quite a bit imo. In og ff7, it always felt like he was less interesting than Tifa, Cid, Nanaki, and even Yuffie and Vincent at certain events, but in Remake/Rebirth they really dove more into his story and personality. I love the "remorseful hero" type like Cyan in FF6 and Cecil in FF4 the best out of all of the FF archetypes.
Nope it's surprisingly Cait Sith
In this scene the emotional character is Dyne
@@xectyein133 Cait Sith is a silly fun character, but not an emotional character.
I usually don't cry at character deaths, but every time Dyne was up and speaking and breaking down I was sobbing so bad. This was done so well
Same here, absolutely did not expect to tear up at a character I never really cared much for in the original. I’m so glad they approached this backstory with as much effort and attention as they did. Even the soundtrack was spot on.
@@Evanz111 It's funny. Playing the game as a really young kid... I must have been close to 10 years old. So I was too dumb to follow the story line and didn't remember much about Dyne. Growing up though little bits of reality seeped into my brain. Learning about how awful human history is... How it's often filled with militant groups of azzholes going around pushing around small town folk who are kind and decent and just want to get by in life... Reminded me of what happened to Dyne but in a vague way... Here comes rebirth to retell the story in greater detail and mannn it really hits you sooo much harder.
Remember folks. Never let a corporation get too much control.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Yeah, I was very young when playing the original too. Surreal experience seeing a remake of it, whilst also being old enough to finally understand the themes and have enough experience to relate to the characters. I don’t think much can create a strong feeling like that.
no it wasn't lol this scene is absolute garbage so melodramatic it takes away from the actual themes, they took away the core essence and filled it with colors and gay shit to please the brainrot generation of today
Even in the original this scene has never not brought me to tears. I've replayed 7 OG/rebirth several times over and this scene breaks me to pieces more than any other scene in the game
I do appreciate when certain boss fights have the party members say different quotes instead of what they usually say during battles.
Barret talks no end of smack when shooting up regular enemies. But once he’s pitted against his long lost best friend, all he can say are things like “Forgive me.” and “It’ll all be over soon.”.
It’s another one of those details that’s little yet adds a lot more to one’s character.
I wish they had done the same for everyone with Jenova Lifeclinger.
Someone the gang deeply cares about literally dies in front of their eyes, but everyone stays in quippy anime mode during the fight. It's a little jarring. Not the end of the world, but a fair nitpick.
during Cloud's solo fight against Gilga- oop, I mean, against the "Eccentric Swordsman," Cloud will say "I'm gonna sever all your limbs"
The Tales of Series does that a lot, in fact they never shut up during battles lol
“C’mon I can still save him” got me
This scene was what hooked me in the og. I knew I wasnt just playing a regular game.
I'm glad they did it justice. Different, but still good and now in new ways.
This made me tear up a bit.
Same, wasn't expecting it to hit the way it did
I just passed this part not too long ago, it hit hard
They Made Dyne have a last stand this time, because in OG he just dies. Then at it, we don't get to have his weapon either.
kinda ruined it makin dyne curse barret till his last breath n oh how dyne unalived himself...
it was way more impactful. then giving barret even more guilt to carry on. smh square. lol.
suprised he didnt go off the cliff after all that.
also no momento of marlens mom. epic fail. but their battle here in rebirth is hype.
A cool little Easter egg for anyone who hasn’t done it but if you go back to where you fought him and visit his grave, Barrett will stay and observe it for a little bit, while everyone else walks off
where is his grave? or is it where you fought him
@@FazFaz it’s where you fought him
Thank you
24:48 John Eric Bentley’s performance here had me shedding more tears than usual…😢
I've been consistently impressed by him. I'm not surprised he would pour his whole self into that moment.
@@lundylow He poured his whole self into Barret entirely! But this moment takes the cake.
That's what real, fresh grief sounds like. If you shed tears, it's because you know what losing someone feels like.
@@salazardeltoro4561 I lost a cat. Does that count?😔
@loganthevillager9176 of course my friend 😢
“I mean it, man”
I legit got emotional as hell when he said that
VS the orig where barret cries, Cloud and gang just stand there going meh... And then the next part of the game acts as if Dyne never existed. LOL WHAT?
This was much better lol.
I hope Barret gets a chance to tell Cloud the same thing when they confront his mental breakdown in part 3.
And live by these words... Don't. Fuck. Up.- Dyne
AVALANCHE TIME MODAF$(k@!!!
REMEMBER THE COAL!
Dio just immediately jumping in and prancing about going "here have this shitty beat up buggy" with Barrett on suicide watch lmao
Same thing happened in the original 😂😂
@@kriss007G That's the beauty of this remake, absolute tone whiplash, stupid minigames out the ass, it's so wild how lock-step the developer's vision was with the fans
@@ILoveEvadingTax gotta love the lovely mess that is rebirth. It's so insane that even if you don't love this kind of thing in gaming... You still just end up loving it some how haha.
Right? Bro could’ve put on some clothes first 😂
Dyne got a mix of bryan fury for his personality and heisenberg for his metal powers
his personality look kinda like harvey two face.
Omg this right I couldn’t put my finger one it lol he does favor Bryan
With a little bit of las plagas tentacles
No he looks like a crackhe4d from breaking bad. The design didn't do much justice to him but i can see the high value for the "broken man" theme
Heisenberg? The breaking bad dude? Jk i kno what you mean lol i just thought it was funny
24:25 - 24:37 And finally, we see Eleanor's full appearance. (Eleanor is Dyne's wife and Marlene's mother.)
Yeah it was nice to see closure for Dyne, his life was destroyed and taken by Shinra's greed and power.
She looked surprisingly similar to Tifa imo
Is she alive?
@@sbj6781Dyne believed both her and Marlene died. Eleanor is unfortunately gone but Barret saved Marlene
When cloud said "i mean it man" that hit hard". Somewhere deep in clouds subconscious he understands what it feels like to lose a close friend. It was like the truer Cloud came out for a sec.
Ill be real, after AC and KH and other stuff i didnt like Cloud at all bc he was constantly this sad, broken little thing and i hated to constantly feel sorry for him. Like at this point, if life sucks so much, it just feels ludicrous.
Remake Cloud is so much better and it reminded me that in OG, he was beaten down, but still strong in spirit. Hes a good man who isnt just fronting to be a badass, he is one.
@@KOTEBANAROT it’s actually a crime my first exposure to cloud was the edgelord sad sack. The more I’ve learned of 7 over the years the more butchered the KH version seems to feel.
This also applies to the other FF characters, some to a lesser extent but it just feels like a parody now.
@@Kozmokastat least we now have the remakes
@@KOTEBANAROT Fronting to be a badass is kid Cloud. Adult Cloud is the real deal haha.
Honestly Barrett is one of my favorite characters since he's an absolute unit with one of my favorite weapon types the gun arm so, this whole segment was one of my favorite parts on the original game. It's GREAT to see it made like this now!
I have a feeling they wanted to make the shooting scene with Barret and Dyne at the cliff much more violent, but held off to keep it classy. It's literally the backstory of why both of them have missing arms, and chances are the original draft had the arms getting severed by the gunfire.
There is also just technical limitations, im sure no one wanted to created a completly new model just for that one scene
Tricky to try and get some of the darker scenes while still keeping a T rating. But I still think they did a great job. Its probably why you don't see Barret and Dyne actually getting their arms shot off in the flashback. So they instead went with the "It was just so mangled it was better to remove the limb and get a prosthetic" which is fine.
@@rosenrot234 Also kind of unrealistic that anything short of like a minigun or something with an absurdly huge calibar could completely sever not just one but both of their limbs. More believable that the arm would just be mangled beyond saving.
@@shakeNbake91586 Well yeah that too. I was thinking more about the gore and how we don't really see stab wounds on the body showing gore or anything. Characters are instead clothed or just get a slice like Tifa did when they had her get her torso slashed. Anytime they actually show blood it does a damn good job at telling the player "Okay this is serious". Like when blood gets on Clouds face
I absolutely love how they changed barretts combat voice lines for this fight. Really nice touch
Dyne's left arm is much bigger than his right, looks like that extra weight is a good workout
I found that a nice touch of realism.
Carrying a big part of metal as part of your body.. Now that's something you have to live with it
I knew this scene would have me bawl my eyes out in Rebirth. I was not disappointed. This was really powerful.
Dyne's death scene actually had me tearing up. He's so broken and lost in despair. Believing himself far too twisted and bloodstained to be worthy of his own daughter.
Seriously, you'd think learning that Marlene was still alive would make him feel better, but instead it made him feel worse; the fact that his daughter has a father that's a killer pushed him over the edge.
Tifa: BUGGY!!!! I JUST GOT A BUGGY, IT’S REALLY SWEET! I CAN’T WAIT TO SHOW IT TO THE PEOPLE I MEET, IT’S MY BUGGY! MY *BUGGYYYYYYYY!*
Cloud; Tifa, you’ve singing for 5 hours straight, calm the hell down!
Other way around Cloud was the singer XD great line though FFA was hilarious
@@xanderasherclegain5710 yep
Just got to this scene, been trying very hard to avoid spoilers. Just wow.
They took a backstory and character that only really lasted a few minutes in OG FF7 and really gave it time to breathe.
As other commenters said: they went all out. The delivery was fantastic, a great way to flesh out Barrett for players who never played the original.
27:57
The way Barret smiled really melted my heart 😊😭
"Can you describe the assailant?"
"He had a gun for an arm."
"That narrows it down. What was his race?"
"Uuuhhhh"
such an obvious question to ask yet nobody thought to ask it . . . they just immediately assumed the black guy did it
@@keeganlafferty1395 Barret's a wanted terrorist and is well known for having a gun on his arm. It's kinda an easy assumption given Dyne's managed to go under the radar for so long.
@@patrickflying17 but has there been reports of him attacking civilians? I don't think so
Dyne had a cloak on during the shooting though.
@@Rollenstone people also would've noticed that the gun was on his left arm, not his right
John Eric Bentley is really good. Definitely one of the best performances in the English dub cast. He brings such a warmth and vulnerability to Barret.
That music's the same from the aftermath of the Sector 7 Plate collapse, innit?
How appropriate...
What’s is the name of the song?
I just love the call back to remake at 10:30 when Dyne says Barret will "take the load off your shoulders." Barret said this right after the reactor bombing, showing not only how his leader side was always there but also how raw and exposed he is that Dyne can see clear past it. At the man who failed him so badly, then abandoned them all to "fight" Shinra.
Loved it
I like that Dynes and Barrets Story feels like Rambo FIrst Blood.
Dyne is Rambo and Barret is Trautman. That's perfect.
So the performances in this scene are really strong and definitely made me feel for the characters, but the way the original scene was written was more disturbing and tragic.
In both versions Dyne has lost his mind, but in Remake they give him this kind of redemptive moment here when he saves Barret from the Shinra troops charging at them and he dies from their gunfire.
In the original, when Barret reveals to Dyne that Marlene is still alive, Dyne wants to "send her to her mother", so that Elanor won't be "loney" (in his mind). Dyne was so broken that there was just no redemption for him.
Then after losing the fight to Barret he kills himself because he said his daughter wouldn't even recognize him.
He felt like he truly had nothing else to live for. Dyne's last words to Barret are to never let Marlene cry, and then after Dyne dies Barret says that his own hands are too stained to carry Marlene too.
So while I really felt the emotions of the characters come through in this scene in Rebirth, the writing of the original scene hit me harder.
For me Dyne wanting to kill Marlene was kinda weird. It dehumanizes him, and If anything, makes me care less about his death. He just wasn't him anymore, he was dead already, so why should I care. It's disturbing in a fucked up way, not a tragic one.
When the game makes you believe he actually may have some redemption, and he simply decides he's not worth living, that means he did it with what's left of his sanity, not just because his brain simply went kaput to the point of thinking about killing his own daughter. That's the death of a broken human, not just a carcass turning off.
But I will say that there IS some cheesiness in all those soldiers coming again and again in specific moments so the drama could happen the way it did and the party kept holding back so Barret could have his moment. Just Barret and Dyne would feel more personnal.
And I definitely agree that some lines were just too good to be left out. Barret saying his hands were as stained as Dyne's may be one of the best dialogues in the OG, and the game is full of good ones.
@@Daniel_Rodrigues_89 Yeah, the original game didn't actually want you to really feel bad for Dyne or feel like he still had a chance to redeem himself. You were supposed to have pity for Barret that his best friend was still "alive", but such a shell of himself that Barret essentially has to watch his best friend die again for a 2nd time. And by portraying Dyne as "too far gone" Barret has no choice but to let go of the past. The character development is all for Barret.
In Rebirth they rewrote the story to still show Dyne as disturbed, but less psychotic and much more sympathetic. Which is why they give him the sort of sacrificial death scene (very similar to Zack's in Crisis Core.)
For the original line from Barret about having too much blood on his own hands to carry Marlene, it was probably removed because in the original story Barret was responsible for the civilian deaths from the Reactor bombings. And he knew that was his fault even though he wouldn't admit it to anyone.
In the Remake it was rewritten so that Avalanche only attempted to disable the reactor cores and President Shinra blew up his own reactors. So Shinra is responsible for all the innocent civilian deaths, not Avalanche. So in the context of the Remake trilogy, Barret doesn't really have innocent blood on his hands. So they cut that line because Barret's character arc isn't really going that direction anymore.
I doubt that Cait Sith/Reeve will confront Barret on the Highwind about the Reactor bombing later on in the Remake trilogy. That scene will probably be cut completely or happen in a totally different context.
Remember a theory that in part 3 Zack would have his own party, Him, Biggs, Sonan, Zangan, Cissnei, and Dyne
i miss the shock of thinking barret actually shot up the place, but i dont think that would work in rebirth because he's so much more fleshed out, you'd know he'd never do that
@@Daniel_Rodrigues_89dyne wanted everything to die. If you go back and look you realize he wanted barret to kill him when he realized Marlene was still alive. That was because he wanted to watch the whole world burn and he didn’t want that yo happen ti Marlene. He knew and admitted he was too far gone
It wasn’t weird he just had a moment of realization that he couldn’t survive for the sake of Marlene
Barret: It was on that day, I first swore.
Cloud: Revenge?
Barret: There were levels of swearing.
Barret has major Cyan from ff6 energy. Like when you peel back all of the bitterness you realize there's actually a sad man trying his best to be strong and blaming himself for everything. Driven by remorse.
Cyan was the friggin man
@@Brandonweifu I always love the remorseful hero type. Barret, Cyan, and Cecil are three of my favorite ff characters ever.
@@Nosefacesame! I have a type, definitely. I also really like Sazh from ff13 (it was like, one of the only things i liked abt this game). Sazh was a sort of a foil for Barret - both black gunsman hanging out with weather-named tough soldier, but Sazh, while also hating the world and being filled with anger and bitterness, turned this hatred onto himself. You know, how when some people externalize the anger by finding an enemy to hate, and some people start hating themselves. I always thought Sazh was extremely well written, very realistic portrayal of a su*cidal person. He jokes a lot, but if you watch, you'll notice that his jokes are all filled with self-hate and how much the world sucks. So when he finally puts his gun to his head, its a shock, but theres been many red flags leading up to it. Just like barret, he thought the world is a hateful place filled with ugliness and he couldnt protect bits of beauty he loved, and unlike barret, he thought it was useless to try at all. Its similar to what happened to Dyne and it shows how strong Barret is. He did make a lot of mistakes but ultimately he still held firm belief that you CAN do somethign about it, that the hope ISNT lost. Hes very deeply hurt, and at times misguided, but he never seases to try and be better. Barret is a true leader and its good that he makes mistakes and yet doesnt let that break him, he always tries to learn. Hes an example for us all.
@KOTEBANAROT Oh nice I'll look out for him. I'm playing all of the games in order, and when I get to 13 I'll be on the look out.
If Cyan didn't meet Sabin (and Shadow), I imagine you'd get someone like Dyne. The last living member of one's homeland, and a bloodlust-driven man driven by vengeance.
While different I think the quality of the changes were in equal parts. You really get Dynes emotional suffering. He really has lost it all and Barret can't change that. He doesn't forgive Barret, but he does defend him against Shinra.
Makes you hate Shinra so much. Much more than the original. We really are going to save the planet from these fools.
The entire FF7 game was already a criticism for capitalism, natural resource exploitation, and climate change before Greta Thunberg even born.
Why blame Barret for something the whole town voted on
@@Soniman001I think it’s because he convinced the people into voting for the reactor being built, or at least was the loudest voice in support for it.
@@MattProfittAnd like Tifa said in OG FF7, it's not Barret's fault that Shinra lied and hurt all of them with their empty promises.
@wchan39 It is realistic though. People need someone to blame. I think everyone was skeptical of Shinra, but Barrett “pushed” for the change the most. Even if he had good intentions and none of it was his fault, ultimately, people look to the closest person they can find fault with to take their anger out on. Shinra could’ve very well burnt the city to the ground if they said no, but they said yes, and a big part of that was because of Barrett. So all anyone can think of is “if it weren’t for Barrett, we wouldn’t be in this situation.”
Pretty impressive how Scarlet can hold on to the machine gun and does not show ANY recoil at all.
Woman looks slender but is strong like a brick house.
She takes her mako 'roids every day! 😂
@@MrReubenTishkoffGiven that she could throw hands with Tifa in the original (the same girl who could suplex Kaiju-sized Weapons), it's entirely possible that's the case lol
She's got enough silicone to absorb the shock lol
Honestly i do believe Scarlet gives so little shit about her humanity she would take up hojos enhancements
@@aaronhussey8522 I think the enlarged lungs are proof. 😏
To quote TeamFourStar for a moment:It Avalanche Time
AVALANCHE TIME MOTHER F**KER !!!! 🔥✊️
set your clocks red because it’s
red: AVALANCHE TIME!
Barrett: AVALANCHE TIME!
Red: AVALANCHE TIME!
BARRETT: *AVALANCHE TIME!*
AVALANCHE TIME MOTHER F**KER ! 🔥✊️
@@hunterthejokethegamerandst5567 Cloud: Yeah let's go kill people
AVALANCHE TIME MODAF&k@!!!
Just played through this. Man, my heart broke so hard for Barret I got teary eyed.
I can't remember the last time a boss battle made me cry, yet hear we are.
His metal arm powers are crazy and out of nowhere, he reminds me of capitain kidd and tetsuo
This was such a powerful moment in the game, and one of my favorites.
I do wish, however, there wasn’t the abrupt tone shift after dyne dies. We go from Barrett weeping to fighting some mech monster with Palmer slapping his ass at you in the span of 30 seconds. This game is wild lol.
OG FF7 isnt innocent of this, we went from Aerith's death to snowboarding
@@gozogo1233except the disc ends, basically serving as an intermission, then you have to leave the forgotten capital, trek through the snowy fields to reach icicle inn, confront the Turks and then snowboard. So while I get what you’re saying, it’s not really a 1:1 comparison. Palmer and Dio rock up immediately after Dyne’s death, completely sapping whatever emotional weight was there.
I love John Bentley’s Barret so much, and this scene makes me love his performance so much.
Lmao Tifa hears Barretts sobs but not the automatic machine gun fire moments prior.
This was so heartbreaking the original made me sad but this makes me cry dyne didn't deserve any of this😭
I really wish Barrett could've gotten Dynes gun as a weapon.
I said that too, should of saved ‘Maximum fury’ as the move for getting Dynes weapon, would of made so much sense.
Hack: If you reload your overcharge ability after barret finishes a his shooting combo, you're basically reloading it for no loss in time.
When he imagines Marlene walking towards him man that's heartbreaking
Can't help but appreciate the in-game fight quotes are also different this fight. It seems obvious but old games used to have you hearing the shit talk on your best friend fights lol. Was almost scared I'd hear Barret telling Dyne to suck it throughout the fight while being teary eyed before and after
Dyne: Hey, Barret, ever see the movie Akira?
Wish we could have kept Dyne’s gun
I will n e v e r be the same after this moment. I really hope Cid going to space ends up as brilliant and beautiful a moment as this was.
This boss theme fits so well with this battle it makes you wanna cry
a bunch of Shinra soldiers in boots in a sandy desert is able to sneak up on dudes like ninjas?
Two men with guns for arms can shoot millions sof bullets at each other and not die???
Final fantasy 7!!!!
Let's see, sneaking up on 2 dudes too busy machine-gunning each other? Yes.
TBF Shinra soldiers are pretty stupid, they always were.
Sardaukuar? 😅
In a junkyard of all places 😂
You know, why did Cloud never change his clothes after going freelance anyway?
Never had the time I guess
He did. Just too similar to the former.
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273being an ex Soldier is also so intrinsically part of Cloud at this point that he probably just didn’t have it in him to drastically change it until Advent Children
@@loganwilliams6594 but he technically never was a soldier
didn’t wanna do it
The coal is his mistress
Uww that’s weird!
@@RE_CAN It's aTFS reference
@@andredesouzadovale1426 so it’s mine!
@@andredesouzadovale1426so was his comment lmao
I liked it better when Dyne fell off the cliff killing himself, that was more dramatic and it could’ve been a good scene in the remake, but this scene was also good, at least Dyne will get buried and able to rest in peace
It's been over a decade since I played OG, so I barely remember the og Dyne scene. So this scene really hits hard for me since I don't have any nostalgia for the og scene. Barret's voice acting is top tier. I especially love the cinematography at 28:20 when Barret says goodbye, puts on his glasses, and walks away from Dyne's corpse. So heavy.
Not many moments during a boss fight. You feel this much raw emotion. Dyne as perfect in how hes portrayed,voice acting very well done. This boss fight is among the greatest in all of video games, not for the fight itself. The authenticity of both friends in that moment.
Cloud's mocap recently revealed that at 9:57 Cloud pushes Tifa out of the way first before running off 🤭 If you slow down the scene you can actually see his outstretched arm.
source?
will be checking that out with freecam when the game comes to PC
@FazFaz Yamazaki's (cloud's mocap) recent stream when he got to this part. It's on his yt channel.
Thats cool. Never noticed.
Dyne's death in Rebirth is more heartbreaking and well done better than the original 😭
not even close lmfao, og dyne was way more tragic and dark
Eh...
I liked that there was more focus on Dyne and Barrett's past. But having Dyne's last words be a spiteful potshot at Barret kind of missed for me. The whole deal was that Dyne had realized how far gone he was. And while Barret realized he should be the same way, he recognized the only thing separating himself from Dyne was that Barret had Marlene and Dyne didn't. So Dyne committed alt+F4.
Not to say this new, spiteful, hate filled Dyne can't work. I actually like the concept. But where do these Shinra troops keep coming from? And why does no one notice them until there's like 10 right on top of them?
But seeing Dyne's reason for his attack was understood by Dio's easedropping, seeing him at the start for Barrett to see how far gone he was painful to him for any hope to saving Dyne from himself. And seeing Dyne going out in his own terms was better instead of dropping from a cliff, him going out in rebirth showed abit to Barrett that somehow he did manage through him abit. But nothing could bring back what he had lost: his wife and lost time with his Daughter
@@itsclean4827 Completely disagree, dude. Dyne's flawless voice acting alone sells the emotion much more any PS1 RPG could ever do with its blocky 3D. And I'm a fan of all the classics.
I can see that. I felt it was symbolism of shinra has unlimited power and reach. They destroyed their lives on a wim and Shinra will still march on.
Also about spiteful, he does protect Barret from Shinra even if it's a suicide. He's lost everything, every part of himself to what Barret did. It makes sense he wouldn't forgive him. @@elevate07
24:17 "Dyne...?" oh he sure is!
Dyne's going to join Zack's party
Could be interesting...
This is probably the most dramatic scene I’ve come across since playing the game 😢
Would’ve been badass to have Barrera refusal hand act like a maki energy shield similar to a jackels from halo and drain the sheild either taking damage or dealing it for more powerful attacks during this game play, would’ve added immersion to the world instead of him just tanking bullets and attacks
4:20 I guess Shinra invented a recoil-free gun
Either that, or the payload is so god-damn small in caliber it’s little better than a BB gun… which would make more sense then it probably should…
Considering the small damage that Barrett and the other gun users do, it's likely something like rimfire.
There's boob physics, and then there's anti-physics boobs. Yeah, you don't want to pander, but... at a certain point you're breaking some suspension of disbelief.
Shinra got to it before us.
watched this to listen to John's performance again because I saw a video of him talking about how he lost his dad and that was him basically losing his best friend, man it's hard to not cry for Barret and John.
The performance is neat, i love Barret and Dyne actor here. However, i think i still prefer the more grounded original scene. Dyne who shot at the floor, Barret who don't move. Dyne cold stance. I'm not saying that this is bad, its a take, and sometime you prefer a take on another.
Yeah I probably preferred the original scene too but this is good in it’s own way
This scene was MUCH darker in the original. Dyne wanted to KILL Marlene...a YOUNG GIRL...that was his DAUGHTER.
it was unnecessarily dark tho. just pure edge and it was weird. Some call the new one bad writing because it changed the original, but the original was just distasteful.
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273Yeah I can agree that Dyne's story in the original was a bit TOO dark.
thats just how a madman or a psychopath really is, they dont care if its her daughter, wife or whatever they just wanna inflict pain and death@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273Nah. Original was better. Grounded, unhinged. Just because it bothers your sensitivities doesn't necessarily mean it's distasteful.
@@waves8545go play your roblox game while we play the modern one we don’t give af which ones better
Too bad the part where Dyne gave Barrett the pendant in the original wasn't included
OH
They couldn’t get it perfect. But they still made it a powerful and emotional scene
They kinda did the opposite by Barret leaving Marlene’s picture with Dyne’s body which I think is just as touching
@@MattProfitt yeah that part really hit hard
Ok I gotta ask what’s what is with the eldritch tentacles coming out of his arm?
Yeah that part just really confused me and had me thinking he got caught by Shinra and got experimented on.
My first thought because I'm also a One Piece fan was Dyne has turned into Eustass Kidd.
I'm wondering if anyone else thought the same! 😂
i've been playing the game in japanese so far but i guess i'll have to go around and replay from the start in english.
this part in the original was already a tearjerk but with this good of a voice acting it's even better.
This part makes me emotional About Dyne sad stories
“I mean it man” from cloud was the best delivered line of 2024. That shit hit different
Dyne in the og offed himself throwing himself off a pit after the fight with Barret, pretty much the same lines, it hit hard then it hits harder now. Dyne's death here is much better handled along with his mental instability along with his friendship with Barret. Love this moment with Barret back then till now its one of the best segments in the game, personal stories of each characters in FF7 is so good, can't wait for Cid and Vincent's turn.
Right here man ❤ right here ❤
But....the coal.....
Dyne became Tetsuo for a moment and i loved it haha
Lol where is the recoil when Scarlet fires the gun? Its like a toy gun
I felt that too lol...always the minor details 😂
@@Napkin2dShinra Tech
XD
@@Ramsey276one touché
Mako-enhanced Scarlet, all stored in those two milk tankers.
@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 This explains it perfectly. I see I forgot to consider that.
wow, dyne turn into wesker in re5 LOL
17:30
Barret: Hey Dyne do you know what time it is sucka
Dyne: what
Barret: I said DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS SUCKAAAAAA!!!!
*Barrt used limits break on Dyne*
Barret: Avalanche time monthafucka 😎
I just had to put it in there 😂
14:17
Dyne: "KANEDAAAAAA!!!"
Barret: "TETSUUOOOOOO!!!"
This scene deserve an Oscar award.
Barrets voice actor did an interview where he said his father died in his arms and thats what he thought of when doing this scene.
This part of FF7 always felt like Cowboy Bebop episode to me.
Epic🔥and emotional 😢
This is clearly a refrence to the Way Zack died in Crisis core
Cloud making sure Barret knows he is gonna be there for him is one of my favourite scenes.
His development throughout the games is so well-done.
Also, I hope Barret's voice actor gets an award. He poured his *soul* into the character.
17:40, I can imagine this whole scene with Michael and Trevor from GTA5.
Oh shit I just rewatched Remake (no pun intended), the "to help take the load off" was actually Barret's speech to the team (CLoud, Jessie, Biggs, Wedge) after the bombing of the first reactor in Midgar. So, Cloud remembered his speech and returned it to Barret. Nice callback!!
Too bad he was crazed. Would have made a very powerful ally to the team.
Did anyone cried, because i did.
RIP Dyne🥺
Anyone know the song name that starts when Dio arrives? (26:02)
This scene has to grow on me, not saying its bad by any means. I enjoyed the take it was trying to give, but the OG sold it better. Not just because of the precedent of Dyne planning to Benoit his own daughter after learning she was alive, it was a man outta options that had nothing left which can resonate with a lot of folks who seemingly lost everything, he wasn't thinking anymore he was running solely on revenge and heartbreak, who can think clearly? After the fight when he gained some semblance of normalcy he gave his own reasons to go out because even he couldn't recognize himself so why would his daughter? It hit different. This scene embodied the opposite, it shows a man far gone from who he was and bitterness towards only Shinra, but his delusions leaked to everyone else hence the unprovoked shooting at Gold Saucer. Barret knew that he had to clear up the history due to that act alone, so it was inevitable that this would come to pass, but this portrayal gave him a last stand which could've still just been his dialogue from OG and the cliff jump, it never would've impacted it too heavily, but again I'm not expecting a 1:1 for this because it's setting up a happy ending premise for everyone involved. Not saying everyone having a happy ending is a bad thing but certain elements had their reasons for being there in the enrichment of the tale in OG.
Dyne is essentially the Dark Mirror to Barrett I think he shows how far he would have fallen if he didn't have Marlene.
This was a really dumb plan on Shinra's part. Just go guns blazing on the village was stupidly risky and could easily have just backfired on them.
Shinra was all about their plans and not very smart otherwise IMO.
And in the end, it did back-fire on them, considering they left survivor(s) that would end up forming Avalanche, a thorn in their side that set to motion all the events of resistance against them. Who knows what Cloud and Tifa would be doing if they didn't meet Barret.
@@commandervile394 Yep, turns out you can't just glass a whole town and expect no one to notice. Imagine that
27:00 the HEART on this bear!
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"Live by these words: Don't. Fuck. Up."
29:38 Rethink your career, hun. BE GLAD THEY'RE GOOD GUYS!
I see Shinra’s advanced technology had completely removed recoil in that gun scarlet was using.
I wonder why they changed the outcome of dyne death? OGFF7 dyne dies because he jumps off a cliff and kills himself after learning about his daughter being alive, which hits a lot harder.