ZERO Chinese to World Champion WITHOUT going to China (This is how she did it)
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2024
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Iva Ilić grew up in Serbia and learned Chinese COMPLETELY outside of China. Then through a series of events, she ended up in the world's largest Chinese competition, where she became the world champion! This is how she did it.
Iva's Bilibili Account: b23.tv/nzrI3Xk
Iva's TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@ink_by_iva?_t...
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I love these learner interviews so much. It helps so much to hear people who have learned Mandarin to a high level speaking without strained voices and it’s always full of great advice
As a Serbian who learns Chinese im very inspired now.
Зар вам се гуза неће држати заједно?😂
@@xyeB Tebi se mozak ne drzi zajedno.
@@filippetrovic845lik je bot video sam ga vec na par videa o Kini
as a Russian I'm inspired too!
Another one as well🎉
Wow this is insanely impressive. Her pronunciation is literally native level. If I didn't see her face i'd think she's a Chinese person. Even as a Chinese that grew up in Australia, most of us 2nd gen Chinese don't speak as well as her.
damn
For someone who never step foot in China, her accent is amazing. If you close your eyes, you still can tell she is not local but inflection and pronounciation wise she is close to 85% local. What makes her not local is her speech is more formal and proper.
like when the chinese speak french or english , no matter how long they have been staying abroad, you can tell them apart immedialtely. You are right. I guess she is still speaking perfectly
@@Grem305 With her language ability though. If she stayed in China maybe 3 years I am pretty sure she will sound local.
And that is why for me, as a learner this is more easy to listen to. She is not too fast and does not fit corners. Although I can understand only 10 to 20 percent at the moment.
You always can tell when it’s a Westerner with Mandarin learned as a second language, because they use the text book phrases from HSK books. Native speakers use completely different phrases and sentence structure.
Yeah, it’s the same when hearing a Chinese person speaking English. Textbook phrases 😂😂😂😭😂😭💀😂
good point.
Please make more interviews like these! Ive been learning Chinese for 8 months and I've realized that usually Chinese learners speak with very standard vocabulary which makes it easier to understand. These are perfect for those around HSK 3/4 like me.
I also learnt English by watching movies back in the 80s. A very practical way of learning a language. Languages have their rhythms, and listening to movies helped a lot to get the rhythms. It also create a instinctive reaction to the rhythms together with vocabulary.
This is really cool. I competed in 汉语桥 2019 as an American (didn't win or anything, but still got to participate and go to the filming in 长沙). It was so cool and it was a very memorable experience.
As Russian, Iva's Chinese speech is very comfortable for me to understand :з 太好了❤
I am an overseas Chinese whose Chinese language is elementary because we dont speak it often at home. I also find foreigner's Chinese to be easier to understand. Local Chinese has too much accent and jargons that we dont understand.
@@nsebast I’m also an overseas Chinese and I speak mostly English (and a little bit of Mandarin). When I am in China, there are so many different dialects and accents that it’s hard for me to understand anyone lol. But people always assume I’m fluent so I always just nod seriously when they say something and I don’t understand 😅 Maybe they think I’m an idiot lol
Thank you for the pinyin❤… also the pronunciation bootcamp sounds great!!!
A lot of what she's saying also describes my experience as a language learner almost exactly.
Starting to learn the language just out of an interest in the language itself, but gradually falling in love with the culture and history, the instant fascination with the Chinese characters, coming to love just the general aesthetic of the country and culture, learning through shows (though I also do a lot of active vocab study)... . Very interesting and motivational. Difference is that I'm learning Japanese and only for 2 years haha. But going to China this year and definitely want to learn some (very) basic Mandarin for that purpose, such a beautiful fascinating language, culture and history as well.
Bravo Iva bas kidas!
She is very charismatic!
我祝我国家人一帆好运，也祝她学汉语还有多进步！🇷🇸 你是个学中文比赛的世界年青的冠军 👏🏻
Love this very natural Mandarin conversation w/northern dialectal flair and cadence 🈸️
I was on the show with her! She's a wonderful person!
Me too
I have just one day before the HSK 4 exam (hahaha), so I've decided to watch sth on RUclips. And it turns out that I actually know her because I was an observer at 22nd 汉语桥。 I am so excited about having such an experience in my life and btw it was my first time in China. Unfortunately, I don’t know her in person, but I’d say that she is an example of 厉害 person who gave me more motivation to improve my Chinese level. 谢谢!
You are both great Girls 😊 Bravo!
Obožavam ovo!
I love your context ❤
Amazing!
你们的中文很好，我的也不坏。加油你们❤❤️❤️。
She's lovely 😊💜
That was really interesting - thank you. I have been learning for two months and I do not feel like I could have a conversation at all but I am understanding individual words (simple ones). I have recently found a local Chinese community group that meets regularly and I'm going to give that a try. It's hard to know what the "best" approach to learning is as there are so many options all professing to be the "best" that actually discerning the best is a challenge. I think it's actually about best fit and in the early stages of learning trial and error seems to be the best approach to work out what fits my own learning style, available time and outcomes I'm looking for - I'm still very much in that stage.
each person have their goals and style of learning. I really believe that if you find what is fun and interesting for you, even if it might be sometimes challenging, you will enjoy and stick to it!
@@OmeidaYangshuo Thank you and I agree. I do really enjoy learning mandarin and am fascinated by the language, culture, history and philosophy - so much wisdom. I am a natural therapist that uses Chines Medicine principles and philosophy in what I do - I particularly like the 5 spirits. This is what drives my learning as I know I am not pronouncing the words correctly and I really want to be able to do that. I have settled on two teachers that really appeal to me - Rita and I also like Mandarin Blueprint system for learning characters. Long reply to your comment... 😆
Hats off. As an American who lived in Shanghai for about half a dozen years and then Taipei for the last half dozen and is married to a Taiwanese, I am definitely still lagging behind this talented young woman. So impressive to have pulled this off in Europe. Godspeed.
Outstanding girls🔥
are there any shows on youtube that you would recommend? i started learning chinese 3 years ago
love your videos ❤
greetings from austria
I had to stop the video and write this message to thank you. 21:11 I don’t feel alone anymore 😂 I like listening and speaking more than writing
Ahhh watching this is both amazing but also makes me feel a little ashamed… I’ve been learning roughly the same amount of time but my spoken Chinese is not nearly as good 😓 Even though I can understand everything that’s being said without the subtitles, when it comes to making sentences I would never have said them in such a natural and fast way. I really hope I can reach this level of spoken Chinese one day 🙏🙏🙏 她真的值得称赞， 她学外语的这个天才令人佩服 我要多多努力吧！！！
Hopefully you can also get Zahra and Mahya Mirsadeghi on your video at least once 😊
They at China right now so this is a good time meet them and they're also a polygot so that's quite a phenomenal achievement
Very interesting experience 😊😊 我超级喜欢！！
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I agree that to learn a new language in modern days, access to native speaking tv programmes is the best way.
Words are used in different contexts which only are possible to understand in different situations.
Tv programmes give you those opportunities.
Radio too does help. Films too. But tv is the best.
Kids, those under 12 yo, could learn a new language just watching kids programmes from other nations. They will understand very quickly without speaking a word.
But to speak ok, one needs to use what one hears and sees. That's more difficult.
But tv, RUclips, radio and films are great sources.
For Chinese, in Taiwan, usually their tv programmes have Chinese captions. I am not sure about tv programmes from China for captions in Chinese.
This girl does speak very excellent Mandarin.
They are very pretty and talented young ladies❤
I wish I could speak Mandarin half as well as that.
Oh these linguistically gifted beauties
Wow! I watched, listened, and Read this whole discussion, 🎉 if someone were to look at me, they would think i understood Mandarin😅
她好漂亮！
Timestamps would be appreciated, great video
Gorgeooooooooooouus 😍😍
Can someone go e a rating on her grammar, is it mostly correct? Or 100 correct.. I want to use this video as CI because I know most of these words
Wow her pronounciation is good
原来你们也是网友！哈哈哈哈哈 太巧了！这个妹子太了不起了！谢谢范老师的视频！
I find the pronunciation the toughest to remember because a lot of words sound the same and the characters are even very similar. And of course writing characters are just as tough because of so many fine strokes in between the characters.
Try the words instead single character, put them into context to help you remember
@@tonypeng1815 isn't every character a word.....yea putting them in context helps to remember better but still tough since there's so much to remember.
put two characters to form a longer word to minimize homophones confusion.@@Righteous1ist
Do Chinese people need to learn Pinyin to type on a computer keyboard abroad? I have found that using Microsoft Pinyin on my keyboard is the most efficient way to write in Chinese. I reconnected with a high school classmate on Facebook, around 20 years after, who used to be a software analyst, and his girlfriend is a computer linguistic scientist. When he learned that I was trying to learn Mandarin Chinese, he started using Pinyin to communicate with me instead of Chinese characters, which made me wonder if that was the right way to do it. However, I'm not a serious putonghua learner because I have to focus more on improving my English skills. As my country was once a British colony, I need to learn English as well.
So I'm want to improve my Japanese and apply it to learning Korean next, and they both have Chinese roots. It seems like it would be helpful to study Chinese vocabulary for this, the way I studied Latin to learn Romance languages. Is there a value in this?
Probably not, or only with very specific application. Knowing 漢字 is currently making learning Japanese much easier for me because, despite the many false friends, kanji are basically not an issue. But if I had my time again, I'd learn Japanese first because its synthetic nature and precise grammar make it a lot easier for me to parse and understand, coming from an Indo-European background. (A principal difficulty in starting to learn to read Chinese is the difficulty of discerning word boundaries.)
Mandarin phonology does give *some* help to Japanese pronunciation, but it's partial and not always reliable. Since Korean doesn't generally use 漢字 and has more phonological and grammatical commonality with Japanese than Chinese, as well as intersecting histories, I wouldn't expect learning Chinese would help you learn Korean.
But I'm by no means an expert in any of this.
There's a lot of vocabulary cognates but the grammar is radically different. I studied Japanese and from what I hear, Korean is similar in grammar to Japanese. Mandarin is similar in grammar to English.
No. About 60% of Korean vocab comes from Chinese, due to their long usage of Chinese characters for writing...but I'm fluent in Korean and understand dogshit when it comes to Mandarin lol. You can catch some words, that are similar enough but otherwise it's useless. And it's even more useless with Japanese, despite the fact, that Japanese do actively use Chinese characters for writing now. The differences are big enough, that Japanese person won't be able to understand a text in Mandarin.
I plan to learn Cantonese and Mandarin at the same time as 40 other languages. Naysayers give me fuel.
Wow, at the beginning, when you where exited (start of the video call) your Chinese went super slang, very hard to understand 😲
Who is the best foreign Chinese speaker you ever met?
To je to, krećem da učim kineski 💪
Well she is so great, despite saying the opposite in for me what's perfect Chinese. She do casual, ❤. I wish I can master those for tonnes and read Pinyin fluently got a start.
Did you notice she did not stop smiling for 25 moon then for few moments. 😂😂😂.
What's her name?
Singapore
I like interviews with learners but all of these people started learning Chinese in their teens or maybe early 20’s. Anyone 30+ learning from zero? How about 40+ 😂
Started learning at 35 and I’m 42 now. My experience has been the older I get, the more difficult it is to memorize new vocabulary. My love for the language is what keeps me motivated.
you can do it! there isnt much of a big difference im sure, if you keep up 😊🪷
I just started last year I’m 45
I am in the process of learning basic I have tested HSK 1 yet and at least I understand a little bit that encourages me to keep learning at my Own pace
我觉得DUOLINGO 很好
Liv tyler
中文入门确实比较容易啊，又没么什硬性语法，语言规则也和英文比较像。反而日语入门会比较难
It comes as a big surprise to me that I can definitely easily recognize at least half of the words you two are saying (even though I'm only at about HSK3 level). This video greatly inspires me to improve my Chinese.
I'm completely done with Duolingo and use it primarily to keep the basics in memory, but I have a lot of trouble making the jump to HSK3/HSK4. I haven't found a good lesson plan or RUclips series or app to help me make the next step. Anyone here who can tell me how they managed to take the next step after learning the basics?
Mandarin Blueprint
I'll share some things me and my friends do (besides classes):
- Comprehensible input: a great way to acquire more vocabulary, structures and practice listening and pronunciation (by shadowing the sentences). You can look up youtube videos suitable for your level, there are vlogs, short stories, even full books.
- Finding a language partner: you can help him/her with english and they can help you with mandarin. This greatly improves speaking, promotes cultural exchange and could become a real friendship.
- Traveling to a Chinese speaking country and immerse yourself, if you have the means
@@OmeidaYangshuo
Thanks for the tips.
1. I tried with cartoons for small children in the hopes it would be simple, but it's not very helpful.
2. I'm doing this already. I have a Taiwanese friend. We have an online meeting once a week. One week she teaches me Mandarin, the other week I teach her Dutch.
3. That is very inefficient. You would have to go there for months to get any real progress. That is very difficult when you have a job and kids.
@@jmleotta100
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Definitely try out HelloChinese and Super Chinese apps. The HelloChinese app is in a Duolingo format but hyperfocused on Mandarin and has great conversational materials. The Super Chinese app has different plans (I have the AI version) which has been really helpful to me when making the jump from HSK 3 to HSK 4. With these two apps plus my tutor whom I meet with 2x a week, I'm halfway through HSK 4 and feeling more comfortable with my listening and speaking skills
She speaks better mandarin than some Chinese 🎉
Interesting
Glad you liked it!
goddamn she is too good and pretty 🎀🎀😊
You just need to learn Chinese for learning this huge number of Software exists all around.
She’s mesmerisingly beautiful. In Italy we love Serbians!
how about you learn english outside english environment ?
That is done all over the world.
She insanely looks like my sister, even in the mannerisms.
Trying to find someone who gives a F... Oh wait, maybe that pers... No, no one.
@@exileatsushi7165 Nah, two Identical people is pretty sick, people freak out with that. But only normal people, not the weird ones...
can somebody who listened to the whole video provide some of the main points that were discussed? :D :D.
Her pronunciation is very good for a foreigner. Just the slightest slow rhythm in putting words together that gives it away.
卧槽我都不知道马嫂也有账号，关注支持❤
正在记一帆学习方法的笔记 🤓🤓
一杰！你快看看我在Instagram给你发的信息，下次你也来聊聊啊😄
我觉得DUOLINGO 很好
She's 22 HUH... I feel old
Teach me how to be extroverted, you can do anything then 😅
If she can't write than how she can study Chinese at university?
I'm guessing she is able to type pinyin into computer/phone, then select the correct character when she sees it. I'm the same, I can't write the characters by hand, but I can input them into a device using pinyin. There's not a lot of utility in learning to write by hand these days, given the amount of time it takes and the frequency that you'll use it, as someone living outside of China/Taiwan/etc.
在中國刺青叫做紋身? 沒聽過! (我在台灣)
紋身或 刺青的說法，台灣都有也懂得。
古代百越民族斷髮文身，文身是自古就有的說法。現代寫法是紋身。
Video is long. Anyone have the TLDR?
There are prodigies in every field of endeavor, including language learning, and she is one of them. Such people have hit the genetic jackpot and can pick up languages with ease. Their stories bear little relevance to the average person, who just have to grind it out every day. Tales like this are actually counterproductive to the average language learner because it makes them feel inadequate and discourages them. And no, it's not a matter of simply "working harder." Genetics trumps everything. You can study vocab and listen to input and practice speaking until exhaustion and the average person will never match the ability of a prodigy. Just like you can run as much and as hard as you physically can and you'll never be Usain Bolt.
At the same time, if you were to do 1.5 hours of active learning every day and stay consistent you could certainly reach a high level even if your pronunciation wasn’t as good as hers. Especially after years of it
@@RayBanks 1.5 hours every day and you think people will automatically reach a high level? I don't think you have worked with the average person. There are so many that put hours every day into it and still struggle to reach that level. It is genetics and ability that helps people reach that level quickly.
Please stop trying to sell the average person false hope. Some will get it, but you can't say for certainty even with that amount of studying that they will reach a high level.
Youre kind of right but I'd argue it has more to do with childhood education than it does genetics. As long as a child is not mentally retarded (in a clinical definition, as in they have a genetic disability that impairs them from learning at an average pace), the amount and breadth of information you learn in your formative years (from 1 to 25 years old) will be responsible for building a strong foundation in how easily you acquire and retain information in adulthood. This is true for physical education as well.
A kid who has tried many different sports all throughout childhood will be better equipped to excel in one chosen sport as an adult even with genetic disadvantages such as height while playing basketball. They might not be the next michael jordan, but they will have a good chance at being an important member of a high level team.
我也是汉语学习者，你每次你推出一期新的视频，我就赶去看。我很钦佩你的工作。❤❤超棒。我喜欢模仿你和老炮马思瑞的视频你们帮我的汉语突飞猛进
太好了！很开心你喜欢我们的视频😊加油加油💪
多谢。你们视频非常奇妙。
我从你们身上学得不少。你们间接地教我提升我的口语。
Serbia is number one Country for Chinese investments.. No wonder she comes from there.
Number one country...um. You mean FDI per capita, maybe?
pozdro
NB
Idk.. my Chinese girlfriend says the guy that learned Chinese in 1.5 years is a lot better than this women. and she says this woman isn't that great. It must be due to "systematic learning and textbooks" that she sounds like a foreigner, even after 7 years.
you know what would make this video better? timestamps!
She speaks a better Chinese than Rita mandarin speaks English.
World champion of what?
谢谢 范老师。 我觉得这种的采访不需要乐音， 可以分心一下。 我知道我的中文很烂。 对不起。
I feel as though if you wanna become quite fluent like this lady here or the british guy you interviewd you will have to be some l´kind of prodigy. I have been learning Korean for 6 years and I am nowhere near her level in Korean. Even if we found out the perfect study technique, if you don't have a high enough IQ it just doesn't matter, you will never really go beyong being conversational.
If you are living in a non-Chinese speaking country then I agree that most people will never obtain a level beyond being conversational. Obtaining a high level of fluency while living in a Chinese speaking country is already difficult enough for most non-native speakers. Mastering Chinese demands levels of obsession and masochism that most people don't have. She mentioned she studied for 7+ years which is about the amount of time it seems to generally take for the last couple switches to turn on for dedicated (3+ hours a day) Chinese learners. Genetics obviously are important as well and she states that she is naturally talented with languages.
One of the 'cheat' codes that never gets discussed here and on other sites - being in a relationship with a monolingual partner. I studied Russian for 4 years, and still didn't really know it after I graduated. Went to Russia to intern with a company, and ended up hanging out with a colleague and her family - Kazakh actually. Though we weren't intimate, just friends, I spoke it sundown to sunset. Learned it fluently in one summer. I'm actually suspicious many of these non-native fluent speakers haven't done the same.... but that's another story.
@@PerryCuda yea thats great for speaking but still does not help in your reading or listening ability. Also it seems very disengenuine and perhaps immoral to wanting to date chinese ppl primarily because of the language.
@@yrewb4171 I dont totally agree with that. I think in order to speak fluently you also need to be "fluent" in your reading and listening skills. Once you are advanced in reading and listening, becoming advanced in speaking wont be that hard. And you will find chinese people to talk to even in the states or europe and talking to yourself is also an option.
Also just bc you live in China doesnt mean you constantly get to meet chinese friends
@@aljoschadietrich9040reading is not needed
Turning Chinese learning into a competition: any further evidence needed that language learners are doing it because of 'psychological compensation'? This is not motivational.
What a bunch of chicken scratch.
She keeps touching her face and hair alot.
It’s a tic, very normal for westerners.
@@clintwestwood3539 according to you, Clint Eastwood
She's flirting with camera
@@clintwestwood3539 you do that too?
@@clintwestwood3539 she's mol$t!Ng her face alot
Champion at what? I dont get it... At speaking chinese? I still dont get it
Looks like a nice video, but the English is impossible to read.
I no longer have interest in learning Mandarin. There is no longer a reason to. So long...
China help free Kosovo I Metohija!
Oh no, a tattoo artist? I hope she doesn't cover herself with tattoos. That would be terrible.
Could you imagine a English, German, Zulu, French speaking competition 😂😂😂😂
Kinda cringe.
Damn it... if she loves smiling so much. Take care of your teeth lady. I mean. You can get your teeh made clean and white just for a few $. God.
You are pathetic. God.
Keeps playing with her hair. Very distracting. Had to leave the video after a third in.
cringe comment
@@DodoDodo-pi1ev ha ha. Only honest review. Nobody is interested in truth anymore.
You kidding I still haven’t seen that.. why not try reading the pinyin and listening to focus
@@GooseGanderdon't confuse your honest opinion with truth, they are separate things
Close your eyes next time.
TL:DW Be naturally GIFTED in learning languages. That's how she did it. This is an entire hour of her saying that same thing over and over. "I didn't work very hard" "Im a bad student". No magic pills here, she was born with it and you weren't. Like asking someone how they became a Runway Model.
Kinda but not really. I made a lot of progress in another language by doing similar things to her. Having the attention span to actively study is a talent. It sounds like she focused on things that kept her engaged and passively learned.
@@h.i.m.3200 You don't "passively learn" without talent. Just like you can't passively learn computer programming unless you magically had the aptitude for it in the first place. Lots of people spend YEARS totally engaged and don't get half as far as she did being lazy.
@@Mutiny960 I disagree. What is meant by passive isn't simply watching stuff and wishing for the best. It's passive in the sense that you're learning indirectly and not in a regimented lesson format. The way I learn passively is by taking a lot of notes and writing down vocab in my google doc. I shadow difficult words and repeat parts of the dialogue when I'm watching something. I highlight new words and look them up when I'm reading. I'm still learning passively because I get to choose how much effort I want to put into absorbing new info. Talent can definitely make it easier and quicker for a person to learn a language but the interviewee 100% spent effort to learn it to this level. You can only "passively" learn a language once you have a solid foundation to build on.
@@h.i.m.3200 That's not what passive means. You are ACTIVE learning if you take notes. She was totally PASSIVE as in "Watching shows and hoping for the best" for most of her time. Only when she wanted to win the competition did she actively study, and then became literally the best person on the planet at it. She had a gift yet this Clickbaiter of a presenter want to lie and give average ppl false hope. Probably has a stupid course to sell or something which makes it even more dishonest.
In literally every Mandarin Chinese language class of e.g. 30 students there’s 1 student who learns it like if it’s nothing, and is fluent in a year. 20 students never learn it, and the rest are making progress slowly, but struggle forever. It’s definitely the wiring in the brain, there’s plenty of studies about it, including brain scans.
Mandarine is at least ten times more easier for us Serbians to talk, than for any English native speakers.
Interesting. May I ask why? Is it the language structure?
@@jollygoodyo No its because of our alphabet. Basicly, its easiest in the world. Every sound is one letter and every letter is one sound. You can learn to read and write in 30min - and if I write that sentence in serbian / ЈУ КЕН ЛРН ТУ РИД ЕНД ВРАЈТ ИН 30МИН / even some old grandmother will say it like she speaks english.
chinese beta orbiter really helps, that's the pretty girl priviledge. harder to do it as a guy. more at stake.