Do you think Barry should have won the Golden Globe for his performance as Oliver in Saltburn? Or did Cillian Murphy deserve it? Let me know your thoughts below!
I’m biased because I haven’t seen Oppenheimer and probably never will. It’s not my jam and I’m not a Nolan fanboy. Barry was a revelation, and his performance has stuck with me.
I think that’s true. I think Oliver set his sight on Felix and wanted to BE anything and everything that Felix was and hard. Felix was an aristocratic, he would have had the title of Lord. This would have been enough for Oliver. As a psychopath, it was easy for Oliver to cater to the ego of Felix, who was a narcissist.
I feel Ollie wanted to be around Felix, to be accepted in those circles, in the family. As the movie progresses you can see Ollie’s feelings of rejection building. He sees how the family treated Pam, how Felix yeets him out of his life. And for me the nail in that coffin is Farleigh telling him what Ollie knows is true right before he goes to Felix the last time. F tells Ollie he will never belong there, he will always long for this time but it will be lost to him. I think this pushes Ollie to burn that bitch to the ground, so to speak.
@@sarahcarder7076 I think you missed a little bit of the movie there...its bot about class it's obsession, possession and control...I cant get you alive..I'll get you dead(Felix's grave) Farleigh says this is his home and he will always come back=oliver takes over saltburn...everything was just a progression not a starting masterpiece plan.. cause people are ever changing as we go but yes you are right but initially he loved felix and that love transcended to resentment cause he knew he couldn't have him
^this! She was right and I was so glad that a character called him out 🙄 Felix and his sister had matching tattoos on their arms (they never talk about it but you can see it if you pay attention), they loved each other as much as they could considering the toxic family they grew up in. In Saltburn we see what Ollie sees, a snapshot of this family at this time. But they existed and had their own lives long before Ollie got there. Ollie never loved Felix, Ollie barely knew Felix. He objectified and obsessed over him, but that is not actually love. Ollie wasn’t capable of loving anyone.
@@OpalLeigh Venetia wasn't right, at all, about length of time. Within the first six months of a relationship, a person is never so in love, as they are during that time. But the real point of her saying what she said was a power move. "You weren't related to Felix, so you don't get to grieve in front of me." Grief can be really petty that way. And frankly, the matching tattoos seem pretty incestuous, along with Venetia sitting in Felix's lap, I mean, what the heck??? Felix & Venetia were uncomfortably close, & incest is a Gothic trope, anyway. I think Elspeth’s thing about men, beards and her dad feeds into that Gothic incest trope, too.
@@victorcornet21 I hate what Venetia and Felix were too close, and guess what, the incest was shown at the karaoke scene. 🤢 Venetia kissed Oliver who became Felix at the bathroom. 🤢🤢 Even worse, Felix was incestuous to Farleigh when he told Oliver at the house tour that he accidentally fingered either his mouth or bootyhole. 🤢🤢🤢 Even way worse, Felix allegedly brought Farleigh and Venetia for a naked sunbathe at the golden hay fields before Oliver joined them! 🤮 The matching star tattoos Felix and Venetia have. Those stars represent the rising or ascension, it’s a foreshadow that Felix and Venetia were murdered by Oliver as their spirits go up to the skies. ⭐️
I honestly don’t think Ollie set out from the very beginning to take salt burn for himself, and I also believe that Ollie did love Felix. A lot of people wonder what would’ve happened in the end if they had never met Ollie‘s parents, and therefore Felix rejecting him. Ollie did love Felix because you can see it through his gazes, actions, and distress after Felix‘s death and throughout the film. Ollie had a framed picture of him and Felix, that he blew a kiss to, and only touched Felix’s stone at the very end. If he had no love for Felix, then why would he have even cared to remember him? The Director even stated that Ollie happiest ending would’ve been to be married with Felix. But unfortunately Ollie was so enchanted with Felix that he would’ve rather have him dead then let him go forever.
I agree, he was obviously trying to weasel his way into the family / saltburn but he didn't kill Felix till he found out he was lying about everything. I think his plan changed after that
I think in his fantasy he was always supposed to end up ‘with’ Felix, but even Oliver doesn’t fully accept fantasy. Had Felix not discovered Oliver’s origins, I believe Oliver would have still presented an opportunity for Felix to ‘pick’ him, which he would if he was acting out the fantasy. The backup plan is murder, a plan B that was really plan A all along. Maybe he convinced himself if Felix rejected him, it would absolve him of some of the guilt from discarding the fantasy and committing the crimes as “It couldn’t be helped”
Ollie is a sociopath and therefore is incapable of love. He is attracted to and obsessed with Felix and cares for him because of that and because of the attention that Felix gives to Ollie. Ollie doesn’t see Felix as a person but instead as an object or a means to an end and any “love” he shows him is like the love you would have for your house or car because of what those objects provide u with
@@racdude01Ollie was not a sociopath and he did love Felix. He’s a psychopath. Throughout the film Ollie deals with his problems with anger and persuasion, like a psychopath. He’s very clearly capable of love and has the emotional capacity to feel for those around him, yet he’s a self centered psychopath with a dangerous obsession. Calling him a sociopath just boils his character down to an emotionless husk of a man, which he clearly is not.
I think that was more of a statement of his dominance over Saltburn and his victims. He arrived there being flooded with rules and standards he didn't understand. Doing the ball/Johnson dance was his way to show it was his now.
I will have to politely disagree after watching through it a lot more. Ollie did truly love Felix but he was far too grandiose to see the reality of what he actually was to Felix in the start and I think he truly was lead on to partly believe that. He doesn’t initially want Felix’s lifestyle. He wants his heart but when Felix hurts him he decides he’ll take the rest of the future he envisioned with Felix. He sees him as this angel instead of the person he is (it’s why he doesn’t initially smell how gross Felix’s room is cause he’s not in reality)and so doesn’t actually consider the fact that Felix is just kind to a lot of people and can drop them like nothing very easily. Felix literally says I love you to Ollie and kisses his cheek the first time they come across one another. Up to this point I think he is truly just trying to live out a rom com fantasy and he’s desperately in love but when Felix rejects him he switches and gains a hatred for him that’s extreme as his love for him and it’s because Felix actually really hurt him. He didn’t account for Felix being nosy enough to take him home for his birthday. It wasn’t just a kind gesture. It would have been for Felix to get a feeling of gratitude and a close up look at a poor person because that’s what this family does for their holiday. It’s why he takes different guys home with him every year. You see Felix is also trying to impress his parents. They’re narcissists and he’s the golden child. Venetia is the scapegoat. He brings home a spectacle for his mother each year. She judges their beauty and tragedy. They do not see them as more and discard them. Farleigh knows that and it’s what he tried to convey to Ollie the entire film. Ollie’s actions are pure manifestations of unbridled rage and obsession in both extremes and that’s what his entire monologue is about. The blood scene is to show him as cannibalistic. He devours the family from the inside out like Venetia said. That’s why he did that blood scene and why he drunk the bath water. He will consume them entirely and in the end he did. The grave fucking scene is reference to heathcliff from wurthering heights digging up and laying with the body of his lover. The story was similar in that it had a character infiltrate a rich family but the motive was unrequited love which is what I think we have to disagree on. Also Ollie wears those horns cause in Shakespeare plays they were usually used to signify a cuck lmao.
Spot on. All the clues are there and yet people are still focusing on gain being Oliver's motive from the beginning. It wasn't, it was his desire for Felix.
It did turn out the grave scene was improvised by Barry keoghan, but even him laying on top of the grave without the fucking would be a reference to wuthering heights so yeah
I can’t believe how many people don’t see what you are saying. Nothing in the movie tells us that gaining Saltburn was Oliver’s initial intention. Why does everyone think this??
@@cheemo48 Because of it's shitty script and main character's muddled intentions. The ''twist'' is all too convenient and just there to drive home the narrative that it's an ''eat the rich movie''. This obviously foundered because rich people criticising themselves rarely creates anything revolutionary (this sure ain't Parasite). And using psychosexual love and spurned homosexuality as a plot device to get there is so overdone. Yaoi fangirls might want to argue that it goes deeper than surface level, and yeah, it does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because it's just not very good.
Psychopath 1, Narcissist 0 At the Midsummers birthday party Oliver was dressed as the character Puck for a reason. He was the mischief maker and the narrator, the only person who understood what was going on. Oliver was the “snake in the grass“ who referred to himself as a vampire, and he was! He wanted to consume Saltburn. He didn’t lick up their blood and drink their bathwater because he loved them. He simply wanted to be them, consume them. You are what you eat, as the old saying goes. His ego was hurt when he was not accepted, he was more than willing to shag his way into Saltburn, murder was not his first go to, but he was more than happy to move to murder if he deemed it necessary. Oliver is not capable of love. Oliver has no empathy for other people, even his loving parents. He never loved Felix. He had Felix’ narcissistic number from the start. Once Oliver studied Felix enough, he sabotaged him and slithered into his life by playing the perfect little plaything, minion for Felix, the British “Chad”. Everyone at Saltburn was so consumed with their own narcissism and egos that they were blind to the fact that they had invited a bigger spider into their web. They had “no natural enemies“ and were like a stupid trusting dog sleeping with its belly up. They were easy, pray for Oliver, who was a snake in the grass that they did not see, coming (as was alluded to in the scene when they were lying in the tall grass) “ what a twist”. The name Felix means happy-go-lucky, the name Oliver means inherited by ancestors. Did Saltburn deserve Oliver because of all the centuries of aristocratic lording it over the rest of the UK? The family of narcissistic aristocrats definitely met their match in Oliver, the psychopath. Although we know better, we almost cheer for Oliver in the way, we cheered for Alex in a clockwork Orange. We praise the predator. We have sympathy for the Devil.
I actually think creating some sympathy for the family is where Saltburn is different than other movies that tried to make that same point! If you want “the rich are vapid and cruel”, that’s Parasite. My friends and I, while watching Saltburn, did still feel badly for the family in the end. They were humanized to some extent (Venetia and Farleigh the best examples). They are terrible people, but not out of any malicious intentions. They have had their character mutilated by wealth. Ollie too is changed just by his proximity to wealth:) and he becomes a bigger monster than they ever were.
Am I the only one who had no sympathy for Ollie at any point? I was 100% on the Catton's side. Ollie was and continues to be a far worse monster than they ever were, and the hardest "struggles" he ever faced in life were basically nothing. A ton of people experience isolation at school, especially at at least one point in their life. He was not unique. And he himself was even mores vapid than Felix was! He refused to be friends with the nerd guy who took a liking to him solely because of his low social status. He wanted Felix, the most popular guy because of his status and allure. Oliver is a hypocrite who pities himself for how others treat him when he wouldn't even treat a lonely guy like him with any kindness or respect! While Felix WAS willing to bring Ollie into his circle despite no one else liking him. His isolation was also solely due to his own lack of social effort. He lied about not having a loving family to gain attention from Felix. The Cattons are vapid, yes, but Ollie is evil. Also sidenote, I never cheered for Alex in Clockwork Orange. A rapist is a rapist. In that movie, both Alex and the society/government were rotten. If he actually chose to rehabilitate himself in the movie like in the book, that would have been a different story. But yes many are devil's advocates for these movies. I think a movie that does devil's advocate much better than either of those movies though is Midsommer with the cult.
If everyone sympathize Oliver the Devil, then this might be a demonic ritual by continuing to love, cheer, and root for Oliver to the infinity. It’s definitely black magic. I would forever never ever forgive, sympathize, and love Oliver for what he had done in the process. The one and only evil I hate the most. The Cattons and Duncan are superficial and insincere. Farleigh and Pamela have sympathy and empathy, they’re the good ones all along who have really messed up lives that caused their feelings and behaviors.
You missed the mark with the parents. It not only the abuse that leads to a serial killer its also the lack of discipline or consequences for bad behavior that contributes too, his mother doing whatever to please him including let him leave the house suddenly without a word of objection shows the way he was raised and allowed to become a little creep
I really enjoyed watching your take, however I disagree with much of it. I don't think Ollie's intentions were about financial or material gain at all, perhaps minimally as a positive consequence. The answer lies in Venetia's monologue. He is a moth, attracted to shiny things, but ultimately consumes and destroys them. He wanted (needed, really) to consume the family, both figuratively and literally.
@@aliciaperezsearle6901 good question. I completely agree with @MsUkulady here, and I would add that Oliver is a parasite. Financial gain was only a small part of it. Remember, Oliver was lying about being a poor child of Drugdealer parents. He actually came from a lovely upper middle-class family. They put him through Oxford University. He was a privileged boy. Oliver has antisocial, personality disorder also known as psychopath. He was a parasite who needed a host. That is why. He identified the desirable Brit “Chad” Felix as his ideal host, disguised himself as the perfect minion, and Trojan horsed his way into Felix’s life and family. Oliver is a psychopath, and everyone at Saltburn was a narcissist. He provided them with all of the flattery they needed to let him right in. He wanted to consume them entirely, to become them. And like a parasite usually does, he destroyed his hosts. Ending up with Saltburn itself was mere serendipity.
@@mirandaespinoza9164 So do the Cattons. The ones with the shiny things might be narcissistic. Since Oliver became the Catton blood after killing them, his whole self shined brighter like a diamond.
From the Reddit, people say that Oliver is a rent boy who was revealed in the karaoke scene. Hear me out because I found the true proof or a theory in my head to unlock the digital copy secrets… When Oliver couldn’t sing “I love you, you pay my rent”, something triggered. He sang the song randomly but just for Felix. When I say “I, Oliver, love you, Felix. You pay my rent.” Felix pay Oliver’s rent. Felix Catton is a real rent boy. A rent boy is a young male prostitute in the UK who wants to have sex with other men for money. What Oliver knows that prostitution can be traumatic and deadly for him and even Oliver believed what Felix would do that but he angrily refused to believe it as he keeps his cool and continue to be with Felix. Felix is a hidden problem to Oliver’s life without a warning. Remember, Felix flirted with the girls but he secretly flirted the boys without telling us! Farleigh actually warned Oliver about Felix without snitching and knowing his name. He wants to take Oliver’s money for sex like he did it to the boy toys and Farleigh. My guess is that Felix had sex with men for money at Saltburn before he kicked them out or he did something horrible to them before getting tossed like garbage, even if the boys went with Venetia and they don’t deserve Felix’s kindness and generosity. As I mentioned that Felix incestuously took his cousin Farleigh’s virginity, Felix told Oliver that he accidentally fingered Farleigh at the red staircase. I believed this isn’t an accident because he injured Farleigh and Felix told him to never tell others or the emergencies as a punishment. Emerald Fennell confirmed that Felix is a misogynist, a bad kisser, a snobbish fickle, and he does bad in bed. He disowned the girls as he owned the boys. It hints that Felix probably and allegedly SA’d and killed the men when they’re tossed out before Oliver showed up. Farleigh made it out alive as he’s on self healed and self cared but he doesn’t want the traumas to infect him more. Oliver’s life was spared when he was going to be rejected once the party is over, he killed Felix afterwards. But at least Felix did a good one to India at the center of the maze. Being a rent boy could be the reason that Felix had sex with the teachers for higher grades and money in order to frame Farleigh and make the popularity Felix’s forever. Another thing, Oliver talked to a comatose Elspeth saying “No natural predators. Almost none”. He killed Felix, Venetia, and probably James before killing Elspeth as the last predator. It’s all the four Cattons. James is the Henry leader and lets Henry abuse Venetia as a punishment, Elspeth might did something bad to Pamela and could be the girls, and Venetia scared them away from her masochistic violations. It’s true that Michael warned Oliver not to join in with Felix without explanation, it indicates that Michael is another one of Felix’s boys and he made it through. Good thing Oliver saved the day and the victims’ lives were safe in different conditions and locations. But the bad thing is this. Oliver is now the hunter since he’s the owner and the victims including Farleigh and Michael will end his settlement.
Sometimes psychopaths are just psychopaths. A lot of serial killers suffer from different kinds of abuse, but nothing particularly outstanding that many people go through who *don't* end up like them.
6:17 I don't think that's true. I think he wanted to be accepted into the Saltburn family, but was also happy to kill his dreamed family to get it. Until, in the end, he had to kill them all when they one-by-one saw through him. And everything he wanted was reduced to 'big house'.
Notice he fished all the stones w/ their names out of the water and they were all placed nearly, side by side and w/ Oliver in the final scene? He’d basically succeeded in making himself “part of the family”, symbolically surrounded by the Cattons.
At the beginning I kept comparing Felix to Dickie (Jude law's character from TTMR) and I was getting annoyed by Felix's lack of charisma in comparison, but in the end, it made a lot more sense that he was that way. Dickie's friends wanted to be around him 'cause of his magnetic persona (also the reason why Tom fell in love with him), but Felix's friends wanted to be around him for his kind heart and royal-like status
We DON'T know enough about Ollie's background to understand him -- it was really frustrating for me, the viewer, to figure out what motivated him. Is he gay, bi, asexual? I didn't exactly know as he used sex as a tool. Is he a sociopath? Not quite as he seemingly has too much emotional baggage. Because of this it was a relief to me as a viewer to find out he had been sociopathically manipulating everything since the beginning. But, still, the movie seems too incomplete to me.
When he said he read all 50 books in the summer reading list, I thought it was because he was a genius. Now I realize it was a lie to impress the professor, just like all his others.
Remember Devilman Crybaby along with the Devilman Mangas? Well here's a comparison..... Oliver Quick is a main character whose motivation was to own something that'll make him bigger and fuller because of Felix. Ryo Asuka is a supporting character who helped Akira Fudo to defeat the demons. They're both fascinated and obsessed with true beauty of all things wonderful. It is revealed that the two protagonists are actually antagonists and former bullies. They're both apathetic, spiteful, sick, demented, parasitic, detestable, murderous, and perverted. Ryo's true form was Satan, he's responsible for destroying humanity. While Oliver's true instinct was Wendigo because of his Puck outfit. Like Ryo, Oliver planned to destroy the reputation by turning the Cattons and Farleigh against each other by revealing Farleigh's betrayal after Felix's death. As everything was completed, he was accepted as a new Catton member after Farleigh's permanent banishment, until the horrors continue. Ryo and Oliver won the battle as the humanity and the royal lineage fell to eternal despair. Next is the two families. The Cattons from Saltburn and the Makimuras from Devilman Manga. The Cattons are murdered by Oliver while waiting for James to die from natural causes. The Makimuras are murdered by Ryo's anti-demon mob. 1. James & Kozo are dads 2. Elspeth & Akiko are moms 3. Venetia and Miki are daughters 4. Felix and Tare are sons Finally, two true protagonists in the names of Akira Fudo aka Devilman and Farleigh Start. Farleigh was a cousin of Felix & Venny and a nephew of James & Elspeth. He's black, gay, poor, and half American. In the original manga, Akira was adopted by the Makimuras after his parents were killed off. He became Devilman to fight against the demons so he can save the humanity and the environment. They're both annoying, suspicious, and sensitive but also protective, caring, sympathetic, empathetic, loyal, intuitive, remorseful, and avenging. Like Akira, especially at nearly the end of Saltburn, Farleigh was furious at Oliver for driving the entire estate into chaos as being a murderous-pathologically lying-money hungry-fraudulent-enforced suicidal-lustful-stalking-parasitically vampiric-framing-narcissistic-psychopathic-pain numbing-bullying big bad wolf in sheep's clothing. Farleigh was way smarter enough than anyone that Oliver is a no joke SATAN himself and he knew. Even he knew that his family was way worse than he ever thought and that upsets him. Farleigh was revealed to be the Cattons' poor relative but also an innocent person who didn't commit crimes including Felix's murder, plate selling attempt, and (hopefully) a teacher fiasco because it wasn't specifically and physically explained even when he was falsely accused all the time in hopes for the deleted scenes. Farleigh lived but redeemably yet hopefully sobered up soon and Akira was killed by Ryo. That's all the comparisons we have for today. 💕
I don’t buy his story that he planned it out from the beginning: he manipulated Felix with his sob stories but had to deal with contingencies along the way. There was way more thinking on his feet, but his hindsight narrator is convinced that it all went as planned. His end speech is just an F U to Mama Saltburn but it’s not how it really went down.
I wonde: if Felix had never contacted the Quick family, would Ollie have still killed him first ? Would he have killed him at all? That contact seemed the only part of the story that Oliver hadn’t planed for…
I feel maybe eventually he would! His end game was the estate and there would have been something that messed up eventually. As he would have still needed everything signed over to him. He waited 17 years and still went back to Elsbeth, so I feel he would have
@@BrainPilot I feel like he’d probably end up killing him, but probably not first, and probably after coming clean - at least a bit - about his plans. I really think falling in love with Felix was probably not in the plan. Even in the maze at the party, Ollie seems to sort of give Felix a chance to take him back, and I’m not sure he’d have been so strident about it if the plan was to kill him right then. Then again he was pretty subtle, so I wouldn’t be surprised if loving Felix was part of the act.
I saw a thoery that says Oliver knew about saltburn before college as his hometown isn't far away from it, and everyone would know if theres a castle nearby.. so, he became obsessed with it and did his whole plan of befriending Felix and etc
His original fixation was with Felix and the world Felix had access to. When he realized he couldn’t have Felix, he killed him and decided to “become” him/become the family’s surrogate son. Venetia caught on and that’s when he decided to kill her before she sobered up and could really get him in trouble. The mother was trying to cope by keeping him around and Oliver was going to used that to his advantage until the dad cut him off and kicked him out, making him lose the surrogate son position. The next time he saw an opening back into that world, the wealth, and the prestige, he took it by planning the meet cue with mother and playing on her sadness. But by that point, his ambitions had grown. He didn’t want to be just a hanger on. He wanted it all, he wanted Saltburn and what it stood for, unattainable power.
@@tylerbhumphriesyes! I think you got it. Of course, Oliver knew Felix was an aristocrat from the start. He had the title of Lord. Whether or not Oliver was aware of Saltburn is immaterial, he would’ve googled Felix and found out pretty fast. I agree 100%, he never loved Felix. He wanted to BE Felix. He wanted to consume Saltburn like a cannibal, like a vampire. He was that snake in the grass that they didn’t see coming (remember that scene).
i don’t think he originally wanted Saltburn , i think this is a twisted love story of a person who is obsessed. He was obsessed with Felix because he was his first love and he’s the narrator. I don’t think he started a master plan for the estate because he didn’t know Felix had that mansion . I think he really wanted to just be friends with Felix and once he killed him (because he was threatening his spot in the family ) i think that’s when the plan turned into getting saltburn , i don’t think it was some elaborate 12 year plan
This tipe of characters are so fascinating. Elusive and cunning people that weave their plans on the shadows of their own prey. Does anyone have book, movies or any other media recommendations where there are characters like this? Parasite comes in mind
I’m not sure about the born vs made Siri, but I do agree that Oliver was a born psychopath. Sure, he may have been bullied in school, but that doesn’t make somebody a sociopath if they have a loving family. Oliver was resentful by nature and incapable of love. He wanted what Oliver had, who Oliver was, he wanted to be Oliver. He didn’t care how he made that happen.
A theory. Another is that psychopaths are violent where as sociopaths aren't. Another is that psychopaths are smart whereas sociopaths aren't. There isn't an agreed definition for either and it isn't accepted that the debate is solely about nature v nurture.
Right. I think it wasn’t necessary to kill Farleigh. Oliver was a psychopath and willing to kill. However, his first go to, was always to seduce, charm or sabotage. If that worked, he didn’t move to murder. I don’t think he enjoyed murder, he just didn’t care.
I think keeping him alive and on the “outside” was more torture than killing him. Maybe he wanted him to suffer and he can’t suffer if he’s dead. 🤷🏽♀️ My theory.
I think he loved him; Oliver turned into a yandere. He wanted to consume everything that was related to Felix. He was in denial saying he hated Felix at the end.
Best film I've seen in years. Very physcological with a brilliant end twist. I love films that people interpret differently. However I don't think his initial plan was to own saltburn. I think he improvises as he goes along. Initially his manipulation was to be close to felix because of his popularity and status. I think once he's invited to saltburn by Felix he then wants to be part of it forever. He's genuinely happy as part of it there right up until Felix sees his true colours.This is when he decides to kill as Felix is the only one who knows his secret. Once Felix is dead I think that's when his motivation changes to take over. Hes now too obsessed with the power status and saltburn itself to ever turn back. The final scene is poetic and I'll never see that song the same way again.
As i was watching it i almost thought the kings that used to live in that castle were possessing him causing him to have strangely sadistic confidence and that it was why the rich people wanted him there in the first place . Imagine they just bring an innocent victim to their castle to be possessed by the ancient kings as entertainment. Kind of how on Beetlejuice they were going to exploit the ghosts except instead of that it's for their own pleasure.
You hit the nail in the head when you say that the need for attention is Oliver's most important trait, I'd say he craves to be idolized. And that's the saddest thing... Because you open the video saying he is like Tom Ripley and that's absolutely false. Ripley is conflicted, lacks self-worth, his imitations show he struggles with his identity, he is in love with Dickie and kills him in a fit of rage, he kills because he is constantly in danger of being caught... Oliver revels in his acts, he's extremely cruel, he loves breaking social norms and taboos. It's a shallow comparison in terms of their characters even if their acts may seem similar. And that's why Saltburn is a far superior movie because through The talented Mr. Ripley Tom has done nothing wrong to the audience, but in Saltburn Oliver has tried to do the same harm to us: he has tried to make us see how deserving he is of our attention, he has made us watch all his powers of manipulation, seduction, cunning and violence. He made us pity him, root for him and fear him.
Psychopathy and Sociopathy is different. Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made...I believe Ollie was born that way, sociopaths would have a degree of remorse, Ollie didn't have any. His lies, jealousy, manipulation, grandiosity, narcissism is clear to see.
I was paralysed by his performance.... In The Killing of a Sacred Deer, he was so real, so incredibly good... that movie was really shocking as well.....I wanted to hate him so much for what he did but he even achieved that I could not..... In Saltburn his performance was phenomenal, sophisticated and perfect... this time I could hate him to the fullest...he has become the ultimate psycho...
The way the butler looked at him when felix died tells us that he knew but nothing happened I expected him to be waiting for ollie at the end to kill him
Well, it’s confirmed that Venetia’s abuse story is true. Henry raped her. Felix did confirm that he accidentally either fingered his cousin Farleigh’s mouth or bootyhole. He was incestuous to Farleigh. They’ve talked about Venetia’s masochism and Farleigh’s teacher fiasco but I believe Farleigh never did this, because he had never been expelled in nearly every England school and Oxford University is a last England school left. Total bullcrap! Maybe Felix and Elspeth fabricated the stories or they or could be others commit crimes on Venetia and Farleigh. The deleted scenes have what we need.
It’s unrealistic that he inherited saltburn as the title would have been passed on to the nearest male relative as soon as the dad died- not to elsbeth
Yep but be trasting only because once meeting parents, doesn’t mean that is the real. Those kind of households keep playing nice before strangers and try to impress them, make themselves goods ones etc. But behind the close doors it is totally different. And I do not believe that his twisted mind come from healthy loving family.
@@DarkestDesires93yeah. 16 years from 2006-2022 (when James died and he met Elspeth again) and then the following year he stayed with her as she fell ill after bequeathing her estate to him and he killed her
I thought I was in for a semi feel good, young and reckless type movie that’s also a thriller with a few twists, like maybe they were gonna be criminals or something, I don’t know man. I just thought the FAMILY was gonna be the bad guys. I didn’t think it was gonna be an insight on the psyche of a truly monstrous “human” being. A totally sickening, depraved animal. Just a completely hopeless sociopath, born that way, and never stood a chance to be anything else. Entirely selfish and will do absolute anything for what he wants. He wants all the praise, attention, sexual domination, and total subjugation of everyone and everything around him. It’s all he cares about. I’ve seen worse stuff, it was just that it caught me so off guard. What’s scary is that there are “people” like him. Maybe rare for them to be as extreme as Ollie, but they are certainly out there. They’re not human, they are just complete monsters. I’m sure you can tell by now that this movie left a bad taste in my mouth. A salty taste. Ew that’s fucking gross, considering that one scene.
What's to analyze? He was a jealous murderer who killed people to get what they had. Pretty simple to understand, honestly. The mind you should really be analyzing was that weird woman Pike played, who for some reason basically adopted Keoghan's character as her son because they had a few chit chats.
Anyone think a sequel/spin off would be good? Ollie as an older man. They did do a sequel to The Talented Mr Ripley called Ripleys Game which i still haven't seen yet.
But you have to be smart, as well as a psychopath, to be successful like Oliver. You see, you’re announcing what you’re like, right here. So…. Maybe your just a regular unscrupulous bad person? Good luck
@@Swerv0. Saffron is right! Yes, if you and LicPlate are related to Oliver, even you’re successful like him or inspired by him, that’ll be a very bad idea. It’s basically a witchcraft or black magic. You can’t do something on your hobbies for daily living under your likes of Oliver by becoming Oliver, you can’t devote yourself too much on your future to “own” something. It’ll tear your soul apart. That’s why people do bad things everyday whether they’re on drugs, alcohol, or other influences. They root for Oliver the devil with love and affection, and you rooted for him. You really need help to realize yourself and please need help from people and Christ to build a cleaner better safer future.
Why did he keep having sec with everyone ? Was he gay ? If so then why did he have sexual interactions with Venetia? And he threatened farleigh while having sec with him, but how did he threaten him? And what was the purpose of having sex ? I’m so confused
Oliver is bi. Venetia and Felix are straight. Farleigh is gay. Oliver got the information from Elspeth about Venetia’s masochism, bulimia, and ugliness. That’s when Oliver casted magic on Venetia with vampirism, masochism, and oral sex to make her beautiful and hungry again during her time of the month. Those two are disgusting! 🤮 Then Oliver got the information from Felix about his accident on fingering either Farleigh’s mouth or bootyhole. That’s when he had sex with Farleigh while fingering him before Oliver’s perfect technical revenge. Emerald confirmed the gay sex scene to be consensual. He never threatened Farleigh but instead he jumped on Farleigh’s lap to scare him before the best gay sex. They say Oliver gave Farleigh a handjob but he sat on top of him, he was fingering him. Oliver’s goal is to manipulate the Cattons so they can “achieve” him but Farleigh was impossible to be manipulated, therefore finding Oliver corruptive, deceiving, and controlling.
Every single character in the entire film (apart from Oliver's parents) would rank very high on the psychopathy scale. Oliver was just smarter than the rest.
I’m not sure I completely agree. Although Oliver was definitely a psychopath, I think the rest of them were basic narcissists. Of course, as you point out, with the exception of Oliver’s parents, who I felt very sorry for.
Have you watched the film? Because you haven't understood it. That's the simpler bit because it is harder to diagnose ClusterB ASPD (aka psychopathy and/or sociopathy) than you superficially intend to prove here. Quick didn't set out to get Saltburn as stated. It was a by-product of a chain of events starting on his birthday. Quick's first murders were to prevent his true shallow, lying self from being revealled. There were not part of a masterplan to acquire an English country house. Indeed the film totally fails to explain how really this occurred. becase as the director makes clear the film is about love. So, by definition the lead Quick is not an empathy empty ClusterB type. As repeatedly shown in the film Quick is well able to display love most notably in the bathroom and grave scenes. An ASPD personality would have demonstrated sorrow for these losses publicly i.e. at the funeral not privately at the grave. An ASPD's emotions for loss are not empathic in saddness of the loss of life for the individual concerned e.g. Felix is dead poor Felix. It is saddness for themselves now that Felix will not be in their life e.g woe is me as I am now bereft of Felix. Quick is genuinely distraught at the loss of his friend/"love"; this is not the response of a psychopath. ClusterB's are not mal-adjusted turning up to a college still wearing their school uniform and having no social skills. ASPD's have learnt to fit in by adulthood through the use of superficial charm and/or wit. They aren't the centre of the party but often are initially attractive for being entertaining types. Whilst technically some might not acquire these skills using one of the seven characteristics of ASPD where it hasn't occurred to make a psychopathic diagnosis would be completely wrong. A technical diagnosis of ASPD requires the symptoms to be apparent by 18. Quick's parents would thus have been well aware by university that their child was amiss even if they could not themselves label it. Such that communications home about being top of the university, in the rowing team (for a man so small!) etc would not have been lapped up by an adoring mother as gospel truth. Most parents of psychopaths are well glad when they are leaving home, not demanding contact and making a cake on their return! Really you think parents who best know this person, upto the age of about 20, would want their psychopath back!??!? Laughable. These scenes are commentary on Biritsh middle-class mores not psychopathy! Slatburn is not a study in psychopathy. It is a fun ride of humour that does not stand critical examination from these perspectives, in part because much of it is satire. As the director has made clear it is not a realistic crime film per se (e.g. where are the police in all this?) but a love story.
Thank you for sharing your opinions. I do not think that @brainpilots lack of understanding of abnormal psychology/DSM 5 (which I agree he has) is a reflection of his understanding of the story. Hear me out? As a person with ASPD, Oliver is not capable of love. Eavesdropping on someone And consuming bath water with bodily fluids, is certainly not love; it’s obsession and a need to consume (even BE) his object of desire. So, if you ever find somebody drinking your bathwater,don’t think they love you and want the best for you. That behaviour is a huge creepy red flag. That’s stealing your dirty underwear out of the laundry stalker stuff. I have had stalkers. It’s nothing like being loved. The film is about love because love is the red herring. Love was what Oliver mimicked, just as he mimicked being an abused poor child of drug dealers (soiling the name of his loving parents, whom he had no empathy for). Oliver was a snake who would use seduction, charm or whatever it took to possess what he wanted. Murder was a last resort, but not one that he would let get in his way. As a psychopath, he is not capable of love, but he was able to morph into whatever he needed to be to ingratiate himself with the flattery loving narcissists he was surrounded with. They never suspected that he would have any ulterior motive, aside from great adoration and love for them, because they were all narcissists. Oliver did fake sorrow publicly after the deaths. He attended the funerals. Shagging a grave is not an expression of love. Ngl, I have to wonder why you think it is. It’s more of a f-you, look what you made me do, I need a new host now. True, Saltburn was not Olivers original motivation. Felix was. He studied the Brit “Chad” before throwing himself in front of him, and portraying himself as someone he knew Felix would want to have as a minion. He literally Trojan horsed himself into Felix’s life, and then, like a parasite, destroyed, Felix and his entire family from the inside. Just like a parasite, Olivers motivation was to find an ideal host and live off of them. Saltburn was merely serendipity for him. The ultimate host.
@@flygrace And thats weird right? Nobody has mentioned that its weird he orchestrated a surprise meeting with Ollies mother. Oliie told him how horrible his life was so it wasn't Felix's job to fix all that. I know it was all a lie but Felix didn't know that and I thought it was a terrible thing for a friend to do. Ollie was obsessed with Felix, but Ollie was just a pet project to him and the family. Everyone in his movie is awful except maybe for Ollie's parents
I think felix thought that everything is quite steady and the mother is welcoming from their call(when felix mentioned that he answered Olies phone), so he thought of ollie giving her a "chance" and fixing their relationship especially after what his family had gone thru but yeah ur right @@kimberlyjeanne9456
@@kimberlyjeanne9456 It's the kind of thing well-meaning people sometimes do. They think they can help when they really should leave well alone. But also there may have been an element of curiosity in it. And when he spoke to Oliver's mother she sounded like a normal healthy respectable person, not the drug-crazed lowlife he had expected, so that will have encouraged him.
This video reminds me of the scene im Futurama, where they mention that poorness has been declared a mental illness. That's bascially what this video does. While it is true that Oliver doesn't have all his marbles together just being like "oh he's just not popular and that's why he's jealous of Felix" misses the explicit point the movie makes several times. Oliver is denied access to student life, because he is not as obscenely rich as the other kids. What he is lusting for is obviously to be rich and wealthy like the people at Saltburn. Like, I am sorry but did you guys not watch the movie? It's so on the nose that it is about class🤦🏻♀️
i think many people agree the movie is about class, but a certain type of class issue. most people agree that Saltburn is not an “eat the rich” movie on par with Knives Out (a way too simplistic way to describe Oliver’s motivations) because Oliver is obsessed with becoming rich rather than destroying any sort of corrupt wealthy system. Felix and Venetia are incredibly privileged, but they did nothing to deserve the amount of pain and manipulation Oliver brought them. He wants to become the exact people who exclude him and do any, not gain revenge against anyone for the bullying he experiences for his lack of wealth.
@@aria2aria2 The Cattons and Farleigh aren’t actually bullies to Oliver for his lack of wealth. They were okay until they (except Elspeth) found him unworthy in the end. He was a bully to them in a cold blooded way for personal reasons. The college students boo’d him for being broke at the bar but he confused them because he has the money in his wallet. He played their dumb minds and the entire audience’s.
I think personally too much time is devoted towards low hanging fruit obviously the guy had problems but the people around them were not good people either that rich family was full of sociopaths themselves as I think most rich people become if you take out the cringe moments in this movie it's ordinary
Respectfully, I don’t think the family was full of psychopaths. I think they were all narcissists. That’s why it was easy for a psychopath to cozy up to them with flattery and seduction. They would never question his motives.
@@pmmcrn The Cattons are narcissistic due to their beauty, welfare, lifestyle, hypocrisy, and galore. Just James, Elspeth, Venetia, and Felix. Farleigh and Pamela are complete opposites, they’re poor but not narcissists. They do have their lifestyles and beauty too. They’re minding their own business. Oliver is straight-up a narcissistic psychopath to us. He has everything he needs and he got it all. Leeching off their wealth for filth.
Yeah... this is clearly an attempt at a psychological analysis of this fictional character without any consultation with a psychologist or psychiatrist, or even a rudimentary effort at self-education in the topic of brain disorders that might result in such behaviors which are... after all... fictional. To say "most definitely a sociopath" is AI-generated internet low-rent pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
ALL WRONG. LET ME EXPLAIN: This is a gay film from the start, and you remove everything related to it. Oliver tried his best to get Felix sexually and emotionally. How he looks at Felix tells it all, even touching his stone at the end. It turned out to be about wealth because of his frustration with not getting Felix. The whole film is about staying with Felix but ruining the plan. Read this: 1. It is about a gay guy's obsession with taking chances with a possible bisexual or closeted gay guy. Look at how Felix gives him quick kisses, gives him importance, and even takes him home. He's even mad about what happened with Oliver and Venetia. He also brings a new guy every year. Both like each other but no one dares to confess. That's sad. 2. The bathwater scene happened because that's the only intimate encounter he's had so far. Watch what Felix is doing in the bathtub. Oliver's looking for the sticky one but gets drained, so he drinks what's left. Watch it! It is frustrating as they shared a bathroom throughout but nothing happened. 3. The graveyard scene happened because of his frustration that he never got a chance with Felix. He fantasizes about him so badly but never gets him until the end. Almost get the hot guy and you know it is possible but never happened. 4. Farleigh is like Oliver. See how he's so mean with Oli? That's how gays become mean to each other over a guy. You'll do anything to boot out the other person trying to take your place. Oliver knows he's gay, so he uses it to boot him out. Your explanation is too safe for the audience (I understand), but the story and meaning truly require some more open-minded perspective to understand. It is rated R not just visually but also for the deeper meaning of Oliver's character. Thank me later. Love from Alex. I can relate to Oliver's frustration knowing that there is a chance to get the guy and he's into you but suddenly the plan didn't work out. BONUS: Remember when Felix was giving Oliver a walkthrough around the mansion and he said, I accidentally F my cousin here? Who is the cousin? It is Farleigh. TAKEAWAY: So gays, this film is really for us. We may never see the happy ending but it is for the missed opportunities we encountered. I can relate because I could've been happy if I had been brave enough and ask. But like Oliver, I'm not. THIS IS PURE GENIUS AND MASTERPIECE. The tragedy will never happen if Oliver and Felix make out and live happily ever after. But this is Saltburn so it has to burn.
While I agree that we can’t be certain one way or another - the ‘planned from the beginning’ angle just doesn’t ring true. He’s smart but not a genius; and is often seen to be out of his depth.
I cannot believe that Oliver was compared to a SOCIOPATH in this video, HE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A SOCIOPATH he is most certainly a PSYCHOPATH and there is a difference between the two!!!
Because previously, most high school seniors like Oliver have credits in order to graduate. But Oliver lied about his first Oxford year’s accomplishments including his scholarship, his rowing team, and even his lifestyle of how well he’s doing there.
Can’t understand why this is attempting to analyse the main character as though this film tells a story , it’s doesn’t. This was a glamorous, expensive attempt at illustrating class divide. I say attempt because it lacked portrayal of real characters that people could engage with and believe… it was a series of vignettes/ scenes that were not cohesive and whilst watchable it missed the opportunity to delve deep into class divide. The film put too much emphasis on shocking/ disturbing scenes, each one trying to outdo the last, without offering any depth. It’s a no from me
I respectfully disagree. Like the Great Gatsby and The Talented Mr Ripley, it shows a psychopaths reaction to the class divide and their desire to breach it. But that is not the story. Don’t forget, Oliver wasn’t actually the poverty stricken child of drug dealers that he pretended to be. Oliver was actually a privileged individual who came from a lovely middle-class family who put him through university at Oxford! Olivers life would be considered very nice. Having a castle, extensive land and full staff is a lifestyle enjoyed by very very few LOL. this is not about the class divide as much is it about a psychopaths take on the unobtainable. there were no restrictions on what he was willing to do. What an intelligent psychopath can do when he gets his hands on a bunch of naive narcissists. He (literally and figuratively) consumed them. They thought they had no natural enemies. But he was the, unsuspected, snake in the grass. Oliver was Puck (from Midsummer nights dream, the play, and the Midsummer night part) , the trickster. The narrator in the story.
Do you think Barry should have won the Golden Globe for his performance as Oliver in Saltburn? Or did Cillian Murphy deserve it? Let me know your thoughts below!
Yup!
for me the role of oliver is way more complex than oppenheimer
barry played 5 roles in one or maybe more
I’m biased because I haven’t seen Oppenheimer and probably never will. It’s not my jam and I’m not a Nolan fanboy. Barry was a revelation, and his performance has stuck with me.
Have you seen him in "Killing of a Sacred Deer?"
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Cillian all the way 💜
Unpopular opinion: his plan to inherit salburn wasn't made up initially at the beginning
I think that’s true. I think Oliver set his sight on Felix and wanted to BE anything and everything that Felix was and hard. Felix was an aristocratic, he would have had the title of Lord. This would have been enough for Oliver.
As a psychopath, it was easy for Oliver to cater to the ego of Felix, who was a narcissist.
I think thats true as well
I feel Ollie wanted to be around Felix, to be accepted in those circles, in the family. As the movie progresses you can see Ollie’s feelings of rejection building. He sees how the family treated Pam, how Felix yeets him out of his life. And for me the nail in that coffin is Farleigh telling him what Ollie knows is true right before he goes to Felix the last time. F tells Ollie he will never belong there, he will always long for this time but it will be lost to him. I think this pushes Ollie to burn that bitch to the ground, so to speak.
@@sarahcarder7076 I think you missed a little bit of the movie there...its bot about class it's obsession, possession and control...I cant get you alive..I'll get you dead(Felix's grave) Farleigh says this is his home and he will always come back=oliver takes over saltburn...everything was just a progression not a starting masterpiece plan.. cause people are ever changing as we go but yes you are right but initially he loved felix and that love transcended to resentment cause he knew he couldn't have him
@@winnerAYou literally repeated what who you replied to said… just said it differently.
Like Venetia pointed out, Oliver only knew Felix for about 6 months. He barely knew Felix, he just loved the idea of him.
^this! She was right and I was so glad that a character called him out 🙄 Felix and his sister had matching tattoos on their arms (they never talk about it but you can see it if you pay attention), they loved each other as much as they could considering the toxic family they grew up in. In Saltburn we see what Ollie sees, a snapshot of this family at this time. But they existed and had their own lives long before Ollie got there.
Ollie never loved Felix, Ollie barely knew Felix. He objectified and obsessed over him, but that is not actually love. Ollie wasn’t capable of loving anyone.
You can love someone within 6 months
There are many couple who dont wait years before getting together
@@OpalLeigh Venetia wasn't right, at all, about length of time. Within the first six months of a relationship, a person is never so in love, as they are during that time. But the real point of her saying what she said was a power move. "You weren't related to Felix, so you don't get to grieve in front of me." Grief can be really petty that way. And frankly, the matching tattoos seem pretty incestuous, along with Venetia sitting in Felix's lap, I mean, what the heck??? Felix & Venetia were uncomfortably close, & incest is a Gothic trope, anyway. I think Elspeth’s thing about men, beards and her dad feeds into that Gothic incest trope, too.
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I hate what Venetia and Felix were too close, and guess what, the incest was shown at the karaoke scene. 🤢
Venetia kissed Oliver who became Felix at the bathroom. 🤢🤢
Even worse, Felix was incestuous to Farleigh when he told Oliver at the house tour that he accidentally fingered either his mouth or bootyhole. 🤢🤢🤢
Even way worse, Felix allegedly brought Farleigh and Venetia for a naked sunbathe at the golden hay fields before Oliver joined them! 🤮
The matching star tattoos Felix and Venetia have. Those stars represent the rising or ascension, it’s a foreshadow that Felix and Venetia were murdered by Oliver as their spirits go up to the skies. ⭐️
No it wasn't love. He wanted to be him. To have what he had.
I honestly don’t think Ollie set out from the very beginning to take salt burn for himself, and I also believe that Ollie did love Felix. A lot of people wonder what would’ve happened in the end if they had never met Ollie‘s parents, and therefore Felix rejecting him. Ollie did love Felix because you can see it through his gazes, actions, and distress after Felix‘s death and throughout the film. Ollie had a framed picture of him and Felix, that he blew a kiss to, and only touched Felix’s stone at the very end. If he had no love for Felix, then why would he have even cared to remember him? The Director even stated that Ollie happiest ending would’ve been to be married with Felix. But unfortunately Ollie was so enchanted with Felix that he would’ve rather have him dead then let him go forever.
I agree, he was obviously trying to weasel his way into the family / saltburn but he didn't kill Felix till he found out he was lying about everything. I think his plan changed after that
I think in his fantasy he was always supposed to end up ‘with’ Felix, but even Oliver doesn’t fully accept fantasy. Had Felix not discovered Oliver’s origins, I believe Oliver would have still presented an opportunity for Felix to ‘pick’ him, which he would if he was acting out the fantasy. The backup plan is murder, a plan B that was really plan A all along. Maybe he convinced himself if Felix rejected him, it would absolve him of some of the guilt from discarding the fantasy and committing the crimes as “It couldn’t be helped”
Ollie is a sociopath and therefore is incapable of love. He is attracted to and obsessed with Felix and cares for him because of that and because of the attention that Felix gives to Ollie. Ollie doesn’t see Felix as a person but instead as an object or a means to an end and any “love” he shows him is like the love you would have for your house or car because of what those objects provide u with
@@virginblythe I think, in his fantasy, he wanted to end up AS Felix
@@racdude01Ollie was not a sociopath and he did love Felix. He’s a psychopath. Throughout the film Ollie deals with his problems with anger and persuasion, like a psychopath. He’s very clearly capable of love and has the emotional capacity to feel for those around him, yet he’s a self centered psychopath with a dangerous obsession. Calling him a sociopath just boils his character down to an emotionless husk of a man, which he clearly is not.
Him dancing around naked is such a slap
In the face. The director just rubbed the madness in our faces. I loved that.
Yeah it just added to the pure chaos and mad nature of it!
He was, basically, dancing on their graves. Well, he was doing something else on their graves, but, you know what I mean.
Dancing around naked with a bottle of champagne is the ultimate W celebration
Imagine seing that seen on a giant screen in a cinema
I think that was more of a statement of his dominance over Saltburn and his victims. He arrived there being flooded with rules and standards he didn't understand. Doing the ball/Johnson dance was his way to show it was his now.
I will have to politely disagree after watching through it a lot more.
Ollie did truly love Felix but he was far too grandiose to see the reality of what he actually was to Felix in the start and I think he truly was lead on to partly believe that.
He doesn’t initially want Felix’s lifestyle. He wants his heart but when Felix hurts him he decides he’ll take the rest of the future he envisioned with Felix. He sees him as this angel instead of the person he is (it’s why he doesn’t initially smell how gross Felix’s room is cause he’s not in reality)and so doesn’t actually consider the fact that Felix is just kind to a lot of people and can drop them like nothing very easily.
Felix literally says I love you to Ollie and kisses his cheek the first time they come across one another. Up to this point I think he is truly just trying to live out a rom com fantasy and he’s desperately in love but when Felix rejects him he switches and gains a hatred for him that’s extreme as his love for him and it’s because Felix actually really hurt him.
He didn’t account for Felix being nosy enough to take him home for his birthday. It wasn’t just a kind gesture. It would have been for Felix to get a feeling of gratitude and a close up look at a poor person because that’s what this family does for their holiday. It’s why he takes different guys home with him every year.
You see Felix is also trying to impress his parents. They’re narcissists and he’s the golden child. Venetia is the scapegoat. He brings home a spectacle for his mother each year. She judges their beauty and tragedy. They do not see them as more and discard them. Farleigh knows that and it’s what he tried to convey to Ollie the entire film.
Ollie’s actions are pure manifestations of unbridled rage and obsession in both extremes and that’s what his entire monologue is about.
The blood scene is to show him as cannibalistic. He devours the family from the inside out like Venetia said. That’s why he did that blood scene and why he drunk the bath water. He will consume them entirely and in the end he did.
The grave fucking scene is reference to heathcliff from wurthering heights digging up and laying with the body of his lover. The story was similar in that it had a character infiltrate a rich family but the motive was unrequited love which is what I think we have to disagree on.
Also Ollie wears those horns cause in Shakespeare plays they were usually used to signify a cuck lmao.
Spot on. All the clues are there and yet people are still focusing on gain being Oliver's motive from the beginning. It wasn't, it was his desire for Felix.
Agreed!!!
It did turn out the grave scene was improvised by Barry keoghan, but even him laying on top of the grave without the fucking would be a reference to wuthering heights so yeah
I can’t believe how many people don’t see what you are saying.
Nothing in the movie tells us that gaining Saltburn was Oliver’s initial intention. Why does everyone think this??
@@cheemo48 Because of it's shitty script and main character's muddled intentions.
The ''twist'' is all too convenient and just there to drive home the narrative that it's an ''eat the rich movie''. This obviously foundered because rich people criticising themselves rarely creates anything revolutionary (this sure ain't Parasite). And using psychosexual love and spurned homosexuality as a plot device to get there is so overdone. Yaoi fangirls might want to argue that it goes deeper than surface level, and yeah, it does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because it's just not very good.
This movie has me in a chokehold
Me too!! 😩 very relatable for me minus the mind fucking people.
@@Swerv0. thank god I’m not the only one apart from the mind fucks and the planned homicides this movie was weirdly relatable
Same I can’t get over it I’m obsessed
*chokehold by Sleeptoken plays in the distance*
Same
What was interesting watching back is the beginning monologue when he says, “I loved him” 3x it flashes to himself.
Psychopath 1, Narcissist 0
At the Midsummers birthday party Oliver was dressed as the character Puck for a reason. He was the mischief maker and the narrator, the only person who understood what was going on. Oliver was the “snake in the grass“ who referred to himself as a vampire, and he was! He wanted to consume Saltburn. He didn’t lick up their blood and drink their bathwater because he loved them. He simply wanted to be them, consume them. You are what you eat, as the old saying goes. His ego was hurt when he was not accepted, he was more than willing to shag his way into Saltburn, murder was not his first go to, but he was more than happy to move to murder if he deemed it necessary. Oliver is not capable of love. Oliver has no empathy for other people, even his loving parents. He never loved Felix. He had Felix’ narcissistic number from the start. Once Oliver studied Felix enough, he sabotaged him and slithered into his life by playing the perfect little plaything, minion for Felix, the British “Chad”.
Everyone at Saltburn was so consumed with their own narcissism and egos that they were blind to the fact that they had invited a bigger spider into their web. They had “no natural enemies“ and were like a stupid trusting dog sleeping with its belly up. They were easy, pray for Oliver, who was a snake in the grass that they did not see, coming (as was alluded to in the scene when they were lying in the tall grass) “ what a twist”.
The name Felix means happy-go-lucky, the name Oliver means inherited by ancestors. Did Saltburn deserve Oliver because of all the centuries of aristocratic lording it over the rest of the UK?
The family of narcissistic aristocrats definitely met their match in Oliver, the psychopath. Although we know better, we almost cheer for Oliver in the way, we cheered for Alex in a clockwork Orange. We praise the predator. We have sympathy for the Devil.
Tiger vs Bear
Killer whale vs Great White
Psychopath vs Narcissist
I actually think creating some sympathy for the family is where Saltburn is different than other movies that tried to make that same point! If you want “the rich are vapid and cruel”, that’s Parasite.
My friends and I, while watching Saltburn, did still feel badly for the family in the end. They were humanized to some extent (Venetia and Farleigh the best examples). They are terrible people, but not out of any malicious intentions. They have had their character mutilated by wealth. Ollie too is changed just by his proximity to wealth:) and he becomes a bigger monster than they ever were.
@@OpalLeighFelix wasn't even terrible, him and Venetia were actually chill, Farleigh would get punched very soon though.
Am I the only one who had no sympathy for Ollie at any point? I was 100% on the Catton's side. Ollie was and continues to be a far worse monster than they ever were, and the hardest "struggles" he ever faced in life were basically nothing. A ton of people experience isolation at school, especially at at least one point in their life. He was not unique. And he himself was even mores vapid than Felix was! He refused to be friends with the nerd guy who took a liking to him solely because of his low social status. He wanted Felix, the most popular guy because of his status and allure. Oliver is a hypocrite who pities himself for how others treat him when he wouldn't even treat a lonely guy like him with any kindness or respect! While Felix WAS willing to bring Ollie into his circle despite no one else liking him. His isolation was also solely due to his own lack of social effort. He lied about not having a loving family to gain attention from Felix. The Cattons are vapid, yes, but Ollie is evil. Also sidenote, I never cheered for Alex in Clockwork Orange. A rapist is a rapist. In that movie, both Alex and the society/government were rotten. If he actually chose to rehabilitate himself in the movie like in the book, that would have been a different story. But yes many are devil's advocates for these movies. I think a movie that does devil's advocate much better than either of those movies though is Midsommer with the cult.
If everyone sympathize Oliver the Devil, then this might be a demonic ritual by continuing to love, cheer, and root for Oliver to the infinity. It’s definitely black magic.
I would forever never ever forgive, sympathize, and love Oliver for what he had done in the process. The one and only evil I hate the most.
The Cattons and Duncan are superficial and insincere.
Farleigh and Pamela have sympathy and empathy, they’re the good ones all along who have really messed up lives that caused their feelings and behaviors.
You missed the mark with the parents. It not only the abuse that leads to a serial killer its also the lack of discipline or consequences for bad behavior that contributes too, his mother doing whatever to please him including let him leave the house suddenly without a word of objection shows the way he was raised and allowed to become a little creep
Oh wow! Great observation!
I really enjoyed watching your take, however I disagree with much of it. I don't think Ollie's intentions were about financial or material gain at all, perhaps minimally as a positive consequence. The answer lies in Venetia's monologue. He is a moth, attracted to shiny things, but ultimately consumes and destroys them. He wanted (needed, really) to consume the family, both figuratively and literally.
Glad you enjoyed the video, and that's totally fair!
But WHY?
@@aliciaperezsearle6901 good question. I completely agree with @MsUkulady here, and I would add that Oliver is a parasite.
Financial gain was only a small part of it. Remember, Oliver was lying about being a poor child of Drugdealer parents. He actually came from a lovely upper middle-class family. They put him through Oxford University. He was a privileged boy.
Oliver has antisocial, personality disorder also known as psychopath. He was a parasite who needed a host.
That is why.
He identified the desirable Brit “Chad” Felix as his ideal host, disguised himself as the perfect minion, and Trojan horsed his way into Felix’s life and family.
Oliver is a psychopath, and everyone at Saltburn was a narcissist. He provided them with all of the flattery they needed to let him right in.
He wanted to consume them entirely, to become them. And like a parasite usually does, he destroyed his hosts. Ending up with Saltburn itself was mere serendipity.
YES!! Felix was the shiny thing!
@@mirandaespinoza9164 So do the Cattons. The ones with the shiny things might be narcissistic. Since Oliver became the Catton blood after killing them, his whole self shined brighter like a diamond.
From the Reddit, people say that Oliver is a rent boy who was revealed in the karaoke scene. Hear me out because I found the true proof or a theory in my head to unlock the digital copy secrets…
When Oliver couldn’t sing “I love you, you pay my rent”, something triggered. He sang the song randomly but just for Felix. When I say “I, Oliver, love you, Felix. You pay my rent.” Felix pay Oliver’s rent. Felix Catton is a real rent boy. A rent boy is a young male prostitute in the UK who wants to have sex with other men for money. What Oliver knows that prostitution can be traumatic and deadly for him and even Oliver believed what Felix would do that but he angrily refused to believe it as he keeps his cool and continue to be with Felix. Felix is a hidden problem to Oliver’s life without a warning. Remember, Felix flirted with the girls but he secretly flirted the boys without telling us! Farleigh actually warned Oliver about Felix without snitching and knowing his name. He wants to take Oliver’s money for sex like he did it to the boy toys and Farleigh. My guess is that Felix had sex with men for money at Saltburn before he kicked them out or he did something horrible to them before getting tossed like garbage, even if the boys went with Venetia and they don’t deserve Felix’s kindness and generosity. As I mentioned that Felix incestuously took his cousin Farleigh’s virginity, Felix told Oliver that he accidentally fingered Farleigh at the red staircase. I believed this isn’t an accident because he injured Farleigh and Felix told him to never tell others or the emergencies as a punishment.
Emerald Fennell confirmed that Felix is a misogynist, a bad kisser, a snobbish fickle, and he does bad in bed. He disowned the girls as he owned the boys. It hints that Felix probably and allegedly SA’d and killed the men when they’re tossed out before Oliver showed up. Farleigh made it out alive as he’s on self healed and self cared but he doesn’t want the traumas to infect him more. Oliver’s life was spared when he was going to be rejected once the party is over, he killed Felix afterwards. But at least Felix did a good one to India at the center of the maze. Being a rent boy could be the reason that Felix had sex with the teachers for higher grades and money in order to frame Farleigh and make the popularity Felix’s forever. Another thing, Oliver talked to a comatose Elspeth saying “No natural predators. Almost none”. He killed Felix, Venetia, and probably James before killing Elspeth as the last predator. It’s all the four Cattons. James is the Henry leader and lets Henry abuse Venetia as a punishment, Elspeth might did something bad to Pamela and could be the girls, and Venetia scared them away from her masochistic violations. It’s true that Michael warned Oliver not to join in with Felix without explanation, it indicates that Michael is another one of Felix’s boys and he made it through. Good thing Oliver saved the day and the victims’ lives were safe in different conditions and locations. But the bad thing is this. Oliver is now the hunter since he’s the owner and the victims including Farleigh and Michael will end his settlement.
Sometimes psychopaths are just psychopaths. A lot of serial killers suffer from different kinds of abuse, but nothing particularly outstanding that many people go through who *don't* end up like them.
6:17 I don't think that's true. I think he wanted to be accepted into the Saltburn family, but was also happy to kill his dreamed family to get it. Until, in the end, he had to kill them all when they one-by-one saw through him. And everything he wanted was reduced to 'big house'.
Notice he fished all the stones w/ their names out of the water and they were all placed nearly, side by side and w/ Oliver in the final scene? He’d basically succeeded in making himself “part of the family”, symbolically surrounded by the Cattons.
At the beginning I kept comparing Felix to Dickie (Jude law's character from TTMR) and I was getting annoyed by Felix's lack of charisma in comparison, but in the end, it made a lot more sense that he was that way. Dickie's friends wanted to be around him 'cause of his magnetic persona (also the reason why Tom fell in love with him), but Felix's friends wanted to be around him for his kind heart and royal-like status
He's more machiavellian than psycho/narcissist/sociopath in my opinion
This movie made my blood run cold
We DON'T know enough about Ollie's background to understand him -- it was really frustrating for me, the viewer, to figure out what motivated him. Is he gay, bi, asexual? I didn't exactly know as he used sex as a tool. Is he a sociopath? Not quite as he seemingly has too much emotional baggage. Because of this it was a relief to me as a viewer to find out he had been sociopathically manipulating everything since the beginning. But, still, the movie seems too incomplete to me.
Could be a great idea for a prequel into Ollie’s childhood
Yes!!! And because he was a pathological liar we can’t believe anything he said!
Everyone takes the movie too seriously. It's comedy. Black comedy, but comedy.
When he said he read all 50 books in the summer reading list, I thought it was because he was a genius. Now I realize it was a lie to impress the professor, just like all his others.
CORRECT CORRECT CORRECT!
It’s impossible if we read 50 books.
Remember Devilman Crybaby along with the Devilman Mangas? Well here's a comparison.....
Oliver Quick is a main character whose motivation was to own something that'll make him bigger and fuller because of Felix.
Ryo Asuka is a supporting character who helped Akira Fudo to defeat the demons.
They're both fascinated and obsessed with true beauty of all things wonderful.
It is revealed that the two protagonists are actually antagonists and former bullies.
They're both apathetic, spiteful, sick, demented, parasitic, detestable, murderous, and perverted.
Ryo's true form was Satan, he's responsible for destroying humanity. While Oliver's true instinct was Wendigo because of his Puck outfit.
Like Ryo, Oliver planned to destroy the reputation by turning the Cattons and Farleigh against each other by revealing Farleigh's betrayal after Felix's death.
As everything was completed, he was accepted as a new Catton member after Farleigh's permanent banishment, until the horrors continue.
Ryo and Oliver won the battle as the humanity and the royal lineage fell to eternal despair.
Next is the two families. The Cattons from Saltburn and the Makimuras from Devilman Manga.
The Cattons are murdered by Oliver while waiting for James to die from natural causes.
The Makimuras are murdered by Ryo's anti-demon mob.
1. James & Kozo are dads
2. Elspeth & Akiko are moms
3. Venetia and Miki are daughters
4. Felix and Tare are sons
Finally, two true protagonists in the names of Akira Fudo aka Devilman and Farleigh Start.
Farleigh was a cousin of Felix & Venny and a nephew of James & Elspeth.
He's black, gay, poor, and half American.
In the original manga, Akira was adopted by the Makimuras after his parents were killed off. He became Devilman to fight against the demons so he can save the humanity and the environment. They're both annoying, suspicious, and sensitive but also protective, caring, sympathetic, empathetic, loyal, intuitive, remorseful, and avenging.
Like Akira, especially at nearly the end of Saltburn, Farleigh was furious at Oliver for driving the entire estate into chaos as being a murderous-pathologically lying-money hungry-fraudulent-enforced suicidal-lustful-stalking-parasitically vampiric-framing-narcissistic-psychopathic-pain numbing-bullying big bad wolf in sheep's clothing.
Farleigh was way smarter enough than anyone that Oliver is a no joke SATAN himself and he knew.
Even he knew that his family was way worse than he ever thought and that upsets him.
Farleigh was revealed to be the Cattons' poor relative but also an innocent person who didn't commit crimes including Felix's murder, plate selling attempt, and (hopefully) a teacher fiasco because it wasn't specifically and physically explained even when he was falsely accused all the time in hopes for the deleted scenes.
Farleigh lived but redeemably yet hopefully sobered up soon and Akira was killed by Ryo.
That's all the comparisons we have for today. 💕
I don’t buy his story that he planned it out from the beginning: he manipulated Felix with his sob stories but had to deal with contingencies along the way. There was way more thinking on his feet, but his hindsight narrator is convinced that it all went as planned. His end speech is just an F U to Mama Saltburn but it’s not how it really went down.
A whole new meaning to the words Oliver Twist.
Lol, true!
I wonde: if Felix had never contacted the Quick family, would Ollie have still killed him first ? Would he have killed him at all? That contact seemed the only part of the story that Oliver hadn’t planed for…
I feel maybe eventually he would! His end game was the estate and there would have been something that messed up eventually. As he would have still needed everything signed over to him. He waited 17 years and still went back to Elsbeth, so I feel he would have
@@BrainPilot I feel like he’d probably end up killing him, but probably not first, and probably after coming clean - at least a bit - about his plans. I really think falling in love with Felix was probably not in the plan. Even in the maze at the party, Ollie seems to sort of give Felix a chance to take him back, and I’m not sure he’d have been so strident about it if the plan was to kill him right then. Then again he was pretty subtle, so I wouldn’t be surprised if loving Felix was part of the act.
First? I don’t think so, but he would’ve killed him eventually.
This movie belonged to Barry Keoghan and to a lesser degree, Jacob Elordi.
I thought Matt Damon deserved awards for his performance, I think Barry should too. Barry is an incredible actor, he will earn awards soon.
Yeah true on both parts!
“Ollie had Venetia under his thumb” in more than one way
Do you think he knew about saltburn from the beginning and wanted it or he firstly wanted the friendship and when it failed he wanted the house
I saw a thoery that says Oliver knew about saltburn before college as his hometown isn't far away from it, and everyone would know if theres a castle nearby..
so, he became obsessed with it and did his whole plan of befriending Felix and etc
@@lamaelrawi3190so it's basically Kate Middleton story, but just a bit more creepy.
His original fixation was with Felix and the world Felix had access to. When he realized he couldn’t have Felix, he killed him and decided to “become” him/become the family’s surrogate son. Venetia caught on and that’s when he decided to kill her before she sobered up and could really get him in trouble. The mother was trying to cope by keeping him around and Oliver was going to used that to his advantage until the dad cut him off and kicked him out, making him lose the surrogate son position. The next time he saw an opening back into that world, the wealth, and the prestige, he took it by planning the meet cue with mother and playing on her sadness. But by that point, his ambitions had grown. He didn’t want to be just a hanger on. He wanted it all, he wanted Saltburn and what it stood for, unattainable power.
@@tylerbhumphriesyes! I think you got it.
Of course, Oliver knew Felix was an aristocrat from the start. He had the title of Lord. Whether or not Oliver was aware of Saltburn is immaterial, he would’ve googled Felix and found out pretty fast. I agree 100%, he never loved Felix. He wanted to BE Felix. He wanted to consume Saltburn like a cannibal, like a vampire. He was that snake in the grass that they didn’t see coming (remember that scene).
i don’t think he originally wanted Saltburn , i think this is a twisted love story of a person who is obsessed. He was obsessed with Felix because he was his first love and he’s the narrator. I don’t think he started a master plan for the estate because he didn’t know Felix had that mansion . I think he really wanted to just be friends with Felix and once he killed him (because he was threatening his spot in the family ) i think that’s when the plan turned into getting saltburn , i don’t think it was some elaborate 12 year plan
This tipe of characters are so fascinating. Elusive and cunning people that weave their plans on the shadows of their own prey. Does anyone have book, movies or any other media recommendations where there are characters like this? Parasite comes in mind
Sociopaths are made psychopaths are born That’s what ollie is a psychopath.
That is one of a number of applied definitions. It is no more right or wrong than the others.
I’m not sure about the born vs made Siri, but I do agree that Oliver was a born psychopath.
Sure, he may have been bullied in school, but that doesn’t make somebody a sociopath if they have a loving family. Oliver was resentful by nature and incapable of love. He wanted what Oliver had, who Oliver was, he wanted to be Oliver. He didn’t care how he made that happen.
@@MFLimited the theory is that psychopaths are born, not made, and sociopaths may be either born or made. But as they all lie, who really knows.
A theory. Another is that psychopaths are violent where as sociopaths aren't. Another is that psychopaths are smart whereas sociopaths aren't.
There isn't an agreed definition for either and it isn't accepted that the debate is solely about nature v nurture.
I like to think Ewan Mitchell's character was Felix's friend the previous year or something. I think there's more there than we know too.
I'm honestly surprised he didn't kill Farleigh, Farleigh was so mean to him, but instead he cut him loose and just burned him out of the family.
Yeah it's true!
Because I think he sees something in farleigh he sees in himself .. he's an outside
Right. I think it wasn’t necessary to kill Farleigh. Oliver was a psychopath and willing to kill. However, his first go to, was always to seduce, charm or sabotage. If that worked, he didn’t move to murder. I don’t think he enjoyed murder, he just didn’t care.
For Oliver killing was equal to consuming. Why consume Farleigh if he is not to his taste? He hated the butler but he seems to be his pray either.
I think keeping him alive and on the “outside” was more torture than killing him. Maybe he wanted him to suffer and he can’t suffer if he’s dead. 🤷🏽♀️ My theory.
I think he loved him; Oliver turned into a yandere. He wanted to consume everything that was related to Felix. He was in denial saying he hated Felix at the end.
God damn it ur right
Well, he loved him as a friend but not a boyfriend. His obsession wasn’t healthy and pure.
Best film I've seen in years. Very physcological with a brilliant end twist. I love films that people interpret differently. However I don't think his initial plan was to own saltburn. I think he improvises as he goes along. Initially his manipulation was to be close to felix because of his popularity and status. I think once he's invited to saltburn by Felix he then wants to be part of it forever. He's genuinely happy as part of it there right up until Felix sees his true colours.This is when he decides to kill as Felix is the only one who knows his secret. Once Felix is dead I think that's when his motivation changes to take over. Hes now too obsessed with the power status and saltburn itself to ever turn back. The final scene is poetic and I'll never see that song the same way again.
As i was watching it i almost thought the kings that used to live in that castle were possessing him causing him to have strangely sadistic confidence and that it was why the rich people wanted him there in the first place . Imagine they just bring an innocent victim to their castle to be possessed by the ancient kings as entertainment. Kind of how on Beetlejuice they were going to exploit the ghosts except instead of that it's for their own pleasure.
Definitely reminded me of The Talented Mr. Ripley ….. which reminded me of the Great Gatsby.
Thank you for this analysis
No problem!
Heathcliff, I mean Richard III, I mean...
Nick Carraway, I mean Tom Ripley, I mean Meghan Markle (jk)
My jaw dropped and stayed dropped the rest of the movie
You hit the nail in the head when you say that the need for attention is Oliver's most important trait, I'd say he craves to be idolized. And that's the saddest thing... Because you open the video saying he is like Tom Ripley and that's absolutely false. Ripley is conflicted, lacks self-worth, his imitations show he struggles with his identity, he is in love with Dickie and kills him in a fit of rage, he kills because he is constantly in danger of being caught... Oliver revels in his acts, he's extremely cruel, he loves breaking social norms and taboos. It's a shallow comparison in terms of their characters even if their acts may seem similar.
And that's why Saltburn is a far superior movie because through The talented Mr. Ripley Tom has done nothing wrong to the audience, but in Saltburn Oliver has tried to do the same harm to us: he has tried to make us see how deserving he is of our attention, he has made us watch all his powers of manipulation, seduction, cunning and violence. He made us pity him, root for him and fear him.
Alain Delon's portrayal of Ripley gets things right, but Barry Keogham's depiction
doesn't sell the role short.
This popped up in my recommends. Everything I have learned about this movie has been against my will! 😂
Haha!
“Tom Ripley- I mean, Oliver Quick”
The talented Mr. Oliver. 😂 good catch!!
Hahaha!
Q: 17 YEARS? He was 35 at the end of the film?
Must have been!
The actor, Barry Keoghan, is 31.
I think he pulled off 18 to 20 quite well.
Psychopathy and Sociopathy is different. Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made...I believe Ollie was born that way, sociopaths would have a degree of remorse, Ollie didn't have any. His lies, jealousy, manipulation, grandiosity, narcissism is clear to see.
I’ve made Saltburn my whole personality
Barry is supposedly the joker in the Batman that Robert Pattinson did 😏
Well it can’t have been eazy for Venetia…
Damn disturbing flick. This kid is a MAJOR talent. Also devastatingly great in "Banshees of Inesherin".
I was paralysed by his performance.... In The Killing of a Sacred Deer, he was so real, so incredibly good... that movie was really shocking as well.....I wanted to hate him so much for what he did but he even achieved that I could not..... In Saltburn his performance was phenomenal, sophisticated and perfect... this time I could hate him to the fullest...he has become the ultimate psycho...
Barry Keoghan is the best young actor in Hollywood, much more talented than other overrated actors like Chalamet or Elordi
The way the butler looked at him when felix died tells us that he knew but nothing happened I expected him to be waiting for ollie at the end to kill him
I really am a sucker for happy endings, movies where everything turns out all right in the end, that's what I love most about this and Mr. Ripley.
Gawd dam I was mad that Venetia or Harley didn't corroborate their abuse.
Well, it’s confirmed that Venetia’s abuse story is true. Henry raped her. Felix did confirm that he accidentally either fingered his cousin Farleigh’s mouth or bootyhole. He was incestuous to Farleigh.
They’ve talked about Venetia’s masochism and Farleigh’s teacher fiasco but I believe Farleigh never did this, because he had never been expelled in nearly every England school and Oxford University is a last England school left. Total bullcrap! Maybe Felix and Elspeth fabricated the stories or they or could be others commit crimes on Venetia and Farleigh. The deleted scenes have what we need.
It’s unrealistic that he inherited saltburn as the title would have been passed on to the nearest male relative as soon as the dad died- not to elsbeth
Yep but be trasting only because once meeting parents, doesn’t mean that is the real. Those kind of households keep playing nice before strangers and try to impress them, make themselves goods ones etc. But behind the close doors it is totally different. And I do not believe that his twisted mind come from healthy loving family.
Poor Dickie Greenleaf 😔
I think farleigh returned to Saltburn in fact I think when he gets out the bed as murder on the dance floor starts I believe farleigh in in that bed
No way he returned
It would have been like 17 years as well! So I don't think he would have been there
I think he went on the run because he was convinced he accidentally killed Felix
17 years? @@BrainPilot
@@DarkestDesires93yeah. 16 years from 2006-2022 (when James died and he met Elspeth again) and then the following year he stayed with her as she fell ill after bequeathing her estate to him and he killed her
“Tom Ripley” 😂😂😂. I saw the parallels almost immediately.
Yeah they were very similar!
I thought I was in for a semi feel good, young and reckless type movie that’s also a thriller with a few twists, like maybe they were gonna be criminals or something, I don’t know man. I just thought the FAMILY was gonna be the bad guys. I didn’t think it was gonna be an insight on the psyche of a truly monstrous “human” being. A totally sickening, depraved animal. Just a completely hopeless sociopath, born that way, and never stood a chance to be anything else. Entirely selfish and will do absolute anything for what he wants. He wants all the praise, attention, sexual domination, and total subjugation of everyone and everything around him. It’s all he cares about. I’ve seen worse stuff, it was just that it caught me so off guard. What’s scary is that there are “people” like him. Maybe rare for them to be as extreme as Ollie, but they are certainly out there. They’re not human, they are just complete monsters. I’m sure you can tell by now that this movie left a bad taste in my mouth.
A salty taste. Ew that’s fucking gross, considering that one scene.
What's to analyze? He was a jealous murderer who killed people to get what they had. Pretty simple to understand, honestly. The mind you should really be analyzing was that weird woman Pike played, who for some reason basically adopted Keoghan's character as her son because they had a few chit chats.
Anyone think a sequel/spin off would be good? Ollie as an older man. They did do a sequel to The Talented Mr Ripley called Ripleys Game which i still haven't seen yet.
I took saltburn as a guide on how to live my life Oliver is a peak social climber
ngl, i relate to ollie because i would also do whatever I can to build a future the quickest way possible.
Same here In a sense I see a lot of similarities between myself and Ollie idk if that’s a good thing through 🤣
its not..........@@Swerv0.
But you have to be smart, as well as a psychopath, to be successful like Oliver. You see, you’re announcing what you’re like, right here. So….
Maybe your just a regular unscrupulous bad person? Good luck
@@Swerv0.of course it’s not a good thing. How could being a psychopath be a good thing? 😂
@@Swerv0. Saffron is right! Yes, if you and LicPlate are related to Oliver, even you’re successful like him or inspired by him, that’ll be a very bad idea. It’s basically a witchcraft or black magic. You can’t do something on your hobbies for daily living under your likes of Oliver by becoming Oliver, you can’t devote yourself too much on your future to “own” something. It’ll tear your soul apart. That’s why people do bad things everyday whether they’re on drugs, alcohol, or other influences. They root for Oliver the devil with love and affection, and you rooted for him.
You really need help to realize yourself and please need help from people and Christ to build a cleaner better safer future.
I dont understand how he inherited the house though
He got Elsbeth to sign it over to him
Yes, and how would have he been able to keep that state?
Well, she was illegally willing him to own the estate, even he’s not a Catton blood. He was impatient to own it.
Why did he keep having sec with everyone ? Was he gay ? If so then why did he have sexual interactions with Venetia? And he threatened farleigh while having sec with him, but how did he threaten him? And what was the purpose of having sex ? I’m so confused
Oliver is bi.
Venetia and Felix are straight.
Farleigh is gay.
Oliver got the information from Elspeth about Venetia’s masochism, bulimia, and ugliness. That’s when Oliver casted magic on Venetia with vampirism, masochism, and oral sex to make her beautiful and hungry again during her time of the month. Those two are disgusting! 🤮
Then Oliver got the information from Felix about his accident on fingering either Farleigh’s mouth or bootyhole. That’s when he had sex with Farleigh while fingering him before Oliver’s perfect technical revenge. Emerald confirmed the gay sex scene to be consensual. He never threatened Farleigh but instead he jumped on Farleigh’s lap to scare him before the best gay sex.
They say Oliver gave Farleigh a handjob but he sat on top of him, he was fingering him.
Oliver’s goal is to manipulate the Cattons so they can “achieve” him but Farleigh was impossible to be manipulated, therefore finding Oliver corruptive, deceiving, and controlling.
Every single character in the entire film (apart from Oliver's parents) would rank very high on the psychopathy scale. Oliver was just smarter than the rest.
I’m not sure I completely agree. Although Oliver was definitely a psychopath, I think the rest of them were basic narcissists. Of course, as you point out, with the exception of Oliver’s parents, who I felt very sorry for.
Oliver maybe smarter but Farleigh and Venetia are way more intuitive than the rest of the characters.
It makes me build my own sequel in my mind ..somebody must take revenge on Ollie!
Have you watched the film? Because you haven't understood it. That's the simpler bit because it is harder to diagnose ClusterB ASPD (aka psychopathy and/or sociopathy) than you superficially intend to prove here.
Quick didn't set out to get Saltburn as stated. It was a by-product of a chain of events starting on his birthday. Quick's first murders were to prevent his true shallow, lying self from being revealled. There were not part of a masterplan to acquire an English country house. Indeed the film totally fails to explain how really this occurred. becase as the director makes clear the film is about love.
So, by definition the lead Quick is not an empathy empty ClusterB type. As repeatedly shown in the film Quick is well able to display love most notably in the bathroom and grave scenes. An ASPD personality would have demonstrated sorrow for these losses publicly i.e. at the funeral not privately at the grave. An ASPD's emotions for loss are not empathic in saddness of the loss of life for the individual concerned e.g. Felix is dead poor Felix. It is saddness for themselves now that Felix will not be in their life e.g woe is me as I am now bereft of Felix. Quick is genuinely distraught at the loss of his friend/"love"; this is not the response of a psychopath.
ClusterB's are not mal-adjusted turning up to a college still wearing their school uniform and having no social skills. ASPD's have learnt to fit in by adulthood through the use of superficial charm and/or wit. They aren't the centre of the party but often are initially attractive for being entertaining types. Whilst technically some might not acquire these skills using one of the seven characteristics of ASPD where it hasn't occurred to make a psychopathic diagnosis would be completely wrong.
A technical diagnosis of ASPD requires the symptoms to be apparent by 18. Quick's parents would thus have been well aware by university that their child was amiss even if they could not themselves label it. Such that communications home about being top of the university, in the rowing team (for a man so small!) etc would not have been lapped up by an adoring mother as gospel truth. Most parents of psychopaths are well glad when they are leaving home, not demanding contact and making a cake on their return! Really you think parents who best know this person, upto the age of about 20, would want their psychopath back!??!? Laughable. These scenes are commentary on Biritsh middle-class mores not psychopathy!
Slatburn is not a study in psychopathy. It is a fun ride of humour that does not stand critical examination from these perspectives, in part because much of it is satire. As the director has made clear it is not a realistic crime film per se (e.g. where are the police in all this?) but a love story.
Thank you for sharing your opinions. I do not think that @brainpilots lack of understanding of abnormal psychology/DSM 5 (which I agree he has) is a reflection of his understanding of the story.
Hear me out?
As a person with ASPD, Oliver is not capable of love. Eavesdropping on someone And consuming bath water with bodily fluids, is certainly not love; it’s obsession and a need to consume (even BE) his object of desire.
So, if you ever find somebody drinking your bathwater,don’t think they love you and want the best for you. That behaviour is a huge creepy red flag. That’s stealing your dirty underwear out of the laundry stalker stuff.
I have had stalkers. It’s nothing like being loved.
The film is about love because love is the red herring. Love was what Oliver mimicked, just as he mimicked being an abused poor child of drug dealers (soiling the name of his loving parents, whom he had no empathy for). Oliver was a snake who would use seduction, charm or whatever it took to possess what he wanted. Murder was a last resort, but not one that he would let get in his way. As a psychopath, he is not capable of love, but he was able to morph into whatever he needed to be to ingratiate himself with the flattery loving narcissists he was surrounded with. They never suspected that he would have any ulterior motive, aside from great adoration and love for them, because they were all narcissists.
Oliver did fake sorrow publicly after the deaths. He attended the funerals. Shagging a grave is not an expression of love. Ngl, I have to wonder why you think it is. It’s more of a f-you, look what you made me do, I need a new host now.
True, Saltburn was not Olivers original motivation. Felix was. He studied the Brit “Chad” before throwing himself in front of him, and portraying himself as someone he knew Felix would want to have as a minion. He literally Trojan horsed himself into Felix’s life, and then, like a parasite, destroyed, Felix and his entire family from the inside. Just like a parasite, Olivers motivation was to find an ideal host and live off of them.
Saltburn was merely serendipity for him. The ultimate host.
Wow really insightful /s. TLDR he didn’t have friends so he developed sociopathic tendencies. These RUclips video essays are laughable.
The Talented Mr. Ripley is an underrated film. Loved the reference you made ❤
It is such a good film! It's a bit forgotten with time it seems
I think Ripley was so heavily presented as a new version of “the Great Gatsby“ that it did not get the attention it deserved.
It's not underrated although my vote is for Alain Delon's version of Ripley.
Stranger Fuckin' Danger
How did he get the address
Oliver's parents' address? He rang Oliver's mother. He had found Oliver's phone and saw her unanswered calls, so he returned the call.
@@flygrace And thats weird right? Nobody has mentioned that its weird he orchestrated a surprise meeting with Ollies mother. Oliie told him how horrible his life was so it wasn't Felix's job to fix all that. I know it was all a lie but Felix didn't know that and I thought it was a terrible thing for a friend to do. Ollie was obsessed with Felix, but Ollie was just a pet project to him and the family. Everyone in his movie is awful except maybe for Ollie's parents
I think felix thought that everything is quite steady and the mother is welcoming from their call(when felix mentioned that he answered Olies phone), so he thought of ollie giving her a "chance" and fixing their relationship especially after what his family had gone thru but yeah ur right @@kimberlyjeanne9456
@@kimberlyjeanne9456 It's the kind of thing well-meaning people sometimes do. They think they can help when they really should leave well alone. But also there may have been an element of curiosity in it. And when he spoke to Oliver's mother she sounded like a normal healthy respectable person, not the drug-crazed lowlife he had expected, so that will have encouraged him.
This video reminds me of the scene im Futurama, where they mention that poorness has been declared a mental illness. That's bascially what this video does. While it is true that Oliver doesn't have all his marbles together just being like "oh he's just not popular and that's why he's jealous of Felix" misses the explicit point the movie makes several times. Oliver is denied access to student life, because he is not as obscenely rich as the other kids. What he is lusting for is obviously to be rich and wealthy like the people at Saltburn. Like, I am sorry but did you guys not watch the movie? It's so on the nose that it is about class🤦🏻♀️
i think many people agree the movie is about class, but a certain type of class issue. most people agree that Saltburn is not an “eat the rich” movie on par with Knives Out (a way too simplistic way to describe Oliver’s motivations) because Oliver is obsessed with becoming rich rather than destroying any sort of corrupt wealthy system.
Felix and Venetia are incredibly privileged, but they did nothing to deserve the amount of pain and manipulation Oliver brought them.
He wants to become the exact people who exclude him and do any, not gain revenge against anyone for the bullying he experiences for his lack of wealth.
@@aria2aria2 The Cattons and Farleigh aren’t actually bullies to Oliver for his lack of wealth. They were okay until they (except Elspeth) found him unworthy in the end. He was a bully to them in a cold blooded way for personal reasons.
The college students boo’d him for being broke at the bar but he confused them because he has the money in his wallet. He played their dumb minds and the entire audience’s.
I wouldnt be surprised if he'd killed again during the time-jump.
Seen the film 'The Lesson'?
I have not!
Oooh. Good suggestion!
I think his motivation is "Entitlement", same as the other characters but to an extreme 🍿
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Yeah it does feel like that doesn't it!
This movie was actually a kind fuck
I think personally too much time is devoted towards low hanging fruit obviously the guy had problems but the people around them were not good people either that rich family was full of sociopaths themselves as I think most rich people become if you take out the cringe moments in this movie it's ordinary
Respectfully, I don’t think the family was full of psychopaths. I think they were all narcissists. That’s why it was easy for a psychopath to cozy up to them with flattery and seduction. They would never question his motives.
@@MFLimitedDo you think Venetia also was a narcissist? How come?
@@pmmcrn The Cattons are narcissistic due to their beauty, welfare, lifestyle, hypocrisy, and galore. Just James, Elspeth, Venetia, and Felix.
Farleigh and Pamela are complete opposites, they’re poor but not narcissists. They do have their lifestyles and beauty too. They’re minding their own business.
Oliver is straight-up a narcissistic psychopath to us. He has everything he needs and he got it all. Leeching off their wealth for filth.
In Saltburn the USA version the psycho would probably have used an AR15 on his classmates.
He was not middle class he fame from a high class family
I hated this movie until the last 10 minutes
Yeah... this is clearly an attempt at a psychological analysis of this fictional character without any consultation with a psychologist or psychiatrist, or even a rudimentary effort at self-education in the topic of brain disorders that might result in such behaviors which are... after all... fictional. To say "most definitely a sociopath" is AI-generated internet low-rent pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
this sounds like it was written by AI
ALL WRONG. LET ME EXPLAIN: This is a gay film from the start, and you remove everything related to it. Oliver tried his best to get Felix sexually and emotionally. How he looks at Felix tells it all, even touching his stone at the end. It turned out to be about wealth because of his frustration with not getting Felix. The whole film is about staying with Felix but ruining the plan. Read this:
1. It is about a gay guy's obsession with taking chances with a possible bisexual or closeted gay guy. Look at how Felix gives him quick kisses, gives him importance, and even takes him home. He's even mad about what happened with Oliver and Venetia. He also brings a new guy every year. Both like each other but no one dares to confess. That's sad.
2. The bathwater scene happened because that's the only intimate encounter he's had so far. Watch what Felix is doing in the bathtub. Oliver's looking for the sticky one but gets drained, so he drinks what's left. Watch it! It is frustrating as they shared a bathroom throughout but nothing happened.
3. The graveyard scene happened because of his frustration that he never got a chance with Felix. He fantasizes about him so badly but never gets him until the end. Almost get the hot guy and you know it is possible but never happened.
4. Farleigh is like Oliver. See how he's so mean with Oli? That's how gays become mean to each other over a guy. You'll do anything to boot out the other person trying to take your place. Oliver knows he's gay, so he uses it to boot him out.
Your explanation is too safe for the audience (I understand), but the story and meaning truly require some more open-minded perspective to understand. It is rated R not just visually but also for the deeper meaning of Oliver's character.
Thank me later. Love from Alex. I can relate to Oliver's frustration knowing that there is a chance to get the guy and he's into you but suddenly the plan didn't work out.
BONUS: Remember when Felix was giving Oliver a walkthrough around the mansion and he said, I accidentally F my cousin here? Who is the cousin? It is Farleigh.
TAKEAWAY: So gays, this film is really for us. We may never see the happy ending but it is for the missed opportunities we encountered. I can relate because I could've been happy if I had been brave enough and ask. But like Oliver, I'm not.
THIS IS PURE GENIUS AND MASTERPIECE. The tragedy will never happen if Oliver and Felix make out and live happily ever after. But this is Saltburn so it has to burn.
saying this interpretation is all wrong is a bit extreme no? media is polysemic for a reason
While I agree that we can’t be certain one way or another - the ‘planned from the beginning’ angle just doesn’t ring true. He’s smart but not a genius; and is often seen to be out of his depth.
Don't over 😊think it...he is an opportunist
Who's up for slurping up chewy bath water?
Nahhhh
I cannot believe that Oliver was compared to a SOCIOPATH in this video, HE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A SOCIOPATH he is most certainly a PSYCHOPATH and there is a difference between the two!!!
TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE! ALL THINGS TRUE! Straight up full Psychopath! With some narcissistic and sociopathic aspects. I learned more.
@@lbougie i absolutely agree, don't forget antisocial personality as well ;)
@@laurengriggs8688 Well said!
Your video title is quite a spoiler.
Definitely has spoilers.😂 such an incredible movie
Yeah it really is isn't it! Talented Mr Ripley was made in the 90's and I actually think it's a better taking on the sociopath than Saltburn!
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You should delve into some elocution lesson, broh.
i do not think you interpreted this character correctly at all.
its not that deep mate, though I was quite surprised when I found out this film wasn't written and directed by a 16 year old girl.
If Oliver is a simply sociopath, how could he come to the Oxford with a scholarship?
Because previously, most high school seniors like Oliver have credits in order to graduate.
But Oliver lied about his first Oxford year’s accomplishments including his scholarship, his rowing team, and even his lifestyle of how well he’s doing there.
A 2023 reskin of The Talented Mr Ripley.
Genuinely is!
The end-of-credits scene in which we see Ollie dying of prostate cancer 5 years later was a sobering conclusion
Huh? Where?😂
Don’t tell me you made this up
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Can’t understand why this is attempting to analyse the main character as though this film tells a story , it’s doesn’t. This was a glamorous, expensive attempt at illustrating class divide. I say attempt because it lacked portrayal of real characters that people could engage with and believe… it was a series of vignettes/ scenes that were not cohesive and whilst watchable it missed the opportunity to delve deep into class divide. The film put too much emphasis on shocking/ disturbing scenes, each one trying to outdo the last, without offering any depth. It’s a no from me
I respectfully disagree. Like the Great Gatsby and The Talented Mr Ripley, it shows a psychopaths reaction to the class divide and their desire to breach it. But that is not the story.
Don’t forget, Oliver wasn’t actually the poverty stricken child of drug dealers that he pretended to be. Oliver was actually a privileged individual who came from a lovely middle-class family who put him through university at Oxford! Olivers life would be considered very nice. Having a castle, extensive land and full staff is a lifestyle enjoyed by very very few LOL. this is not about the class divide as much is it about a psychopaths take on the unobtainable. there were no restrictions on what he was willing to do. What an intelligent psychopath can do when he gets his hands on a bunch of naive narcissists. He (literally and figuratively) consumed them. They thought they had no natural enemies. But he was the, unsuspected, snake in the grass. Oliver was Puck (from Midsummer nights dream, the play, and the Midsummer night part) , the trickster. The narrator in the story.
This movie is not about class divide. This movie is about introverts vs extroverts or even anti-socials vs. socialites. There is a difference
You have comprehension issues and it's okay