Never trust the FDA , right on Mr. Salatin. Your ideas are what will save this environment,economy and life in general. Anytime you need a master carpenter volunteer please put in on your web site....I'll come running!
Joel you're a force to be reckoned with. How incredible your mission and the following you have inspired. My son is well on his way to success. He brought his family to your farm and spoke with you personally. He purchased your program and never looked back. He is dedicated now to the life of the farmer. I couldn't be happier. He built his boilers and has 87 chicks coming next week. He has raised a hog, to feed the family. He has Texas A&M rabbits, ducks, and a turkey. Additionally his wife and 2 little girls and 2 family dogs. Your mission inspired and transformed his life. I am his biggest fan, and owe it all to you. Pinkytnindy aka Teddy's Mom
Joel is a genius, I wish I could be a part of what he does. I have 10 chickens on a half acre up here in L.I. New York and everyone thinks I'm crazy. God Bless you Joel I'd love to meet you someday. What can I do to help.
Damn good video series! I love Salatin! I am emulating him on my 90 acre farm here in Kansas with great results! Pay close attention to what he says about "taking market share" it is so darned true! The wrath of Monsanto Con Agra greed will breathe down your neck when you start taking market share.
Salatin's book "You Can Farm" is a good start, it's an excellent general resource. Depending on what you are doing and where you are in the world you should be able to do quite a bit on 3.5 acres. Growing season and rainfall are going to be your big limiting factors. 3.5 acres converted to SPIN style market gardening can net you $50,000 a year. If you're doing mixed animals on pasture it's harder to say.
Great show! Random question... how does he keep the turkeys from "jumping" (e.g., flying) the electric fence? Is he clipping the wings on a periodic basis?
Here is another great example of someone trying to detach themselves from the industrial cartel that promotes technology has the only way forward and experiencing great harship. The battles fought here are incredible and I truly hope that the customership of this farmer will protect and fight with him. This is a big battle between the technology reliants and the not, those addicted to future happiness or not.
I think that all should have the advantage and knowledge to provide for themselves...Now if you can only get the kids to put down their video games/technology and learn! I was fortunate to have the knowledge and hard work of my grandparents passed onto me, and appreciate the simple yet harder acheived things in life.
Coming from 7 generations of farmers, it was well known and always passed down that farming is done because you love it because, by nature, it is actually a non-profit endeavor.
Yes, we're increasing our numbers and hoping we will find a way to produce more food with less land and water. Whether we admit it or not, that's what we're doing. The recent famines in East Africa are caused by drought. The region simply cannot support the population in times of drought.
It is these new types of business models that will anchor economic stability for our country, that's for sure. The government has been very confused about it's priorities for a long time - the abundance of capitolism can do that to the weak-minded - but grassroots efforts like this will ultimately re-establish a sound economy over time.
When the black swan hits the market, the same "Truth in Agriculture" will be found all around. Everywhere the money devils are hiding the truth up and down the markets. The truth all over this earth will eventually rue the day, a new awakening ... its already happening in fits n starts. jmo.
Malthus' *observations* have been proven correct by humanity's growth curve. Humans reproduce and spread, using up more and more resources. Now, we're seeing the price of resources rise. It will get worse. We could do differently, but we won't. But you'll get no argument here that Malthus' recommendations were monstrous. Salatin offers methods of production that could remain viable...nearly forever. He's the reason my family just finished a meal including our self-raised grass-fed lamb.
" In Somalia, a two-year drought - which is phenomenal in now being the driest year in the last 60 - has caused record food inflation, particularly in the expectation of the next harvest being 50% of normal. Somalia already had levels of malnutrition and premature mortality so high as to be in a “normalized” state of permanent emergency. This is true too in pockets across the entire region."
I love this guy. His resistance to the boughtandpaidfor USDA is awesome. He knows what is healthy and good for us to eat because the USDA/FDA has evolved their standards based upon the big commercial growers and we all know that's the crap way they've come down on the little guy.... I'd say the real problem is with lobbyists' protection of their corporate masters.
Yeah the regulations just keep getting worse and worse to exclude the small producer. In Canada we have a quota system on chicken and milk production. Basically if you want to farm chicken or dairy you have to be a millionaire. 1.25 million to buy into the quota system.
Qualitative Observation is a scientific method where you make and record observations. So yes just doing that is science. Quantitative Analysis is the use of systematic empirical investigation, aka what you think science is. Also routinely introducing new bacteria to a population has TREMENDOUS health benefits for the long term. By allowing people to roam his farm he may loose some stock but in the long run has animals with stronger immune systems. Source: I am a Molecular Biologist.
Unfortunately if we get rid of the quota system farmers will have to get even bigger to make any money.Without quotas there will be even more fluctuation in price and as far I am concerned that is not good for the farmer or the consumer. Finally there is a threshhold before the quota system takes effect and that wouldn't have any effect on what a small farmer could produce.
@fool320 i grew up around chickens in large flocks fenced in like this too. i can explain. it DOES happen, but not often. the turkeys simply dont have anything they want outside the fence and would rather stay with the flock anyway. they COULD fly back in too, but usually dont. its simple...you just put them back in. being outside the fence is no real issue. the fence is not to keep them in so much as to keep predators OUT, you see.
I always see this and think why don’t they bring goats in behind to eat weeds? Chickens need to be right behind 60 hours later to harvest flies pupae and scatter nutrients. Looks like an awesome operating system.
Were doing our first chicken tractor and loving it. Just one thing you just said "no flies". We are having flies when we move it. Are we doing something wrong?
I think Joel's Salatin is saying that fly's cant reproduce using the manure of the broiler chickens because it doesn't build up. Fly's that are coming from else where would still be attracted. Also fly's larva/maggots are reduced significantly in the manure of his cows because the egg layer chickens scratch and spread the manure out, eating the larva/maggots.
The "PROBLEM" is that Joel's systems WORK!!! If implemented all around the country and the world....we would greatly reduce energy usage, and ALOT of big $ people will take a hit....I hope that what people will take most from this, is that we really DO NOT have a FREE market
Not science based, easily remedied. Just do some testing and write an article of the results which you send to the peer reviewed agricultural science magazine.
People try to grow their own food, share it with others, and are forced to stop in communities and even their own front yards... alternatives exist to our food problems but if we were to grow our own food etc big agri and their backers would lose money. Our rights always get squashed where big amounts of money is involved...
that's not true.... it takes a lot more than just keeping records to be "science based", for sure. granted, it's a little different in each state, but the feds are the ones whoa re driving it. You have to ensure biosecurity on the farm, limit "visitors", ensure they disinfect their shoes if they do visit, and ensure there is a separate area for visitors vice allowing them access to the whole farm.What Joel is doing there, allowing these guys to roam throughout the whole property is not allowed
hey, I thought that US is a country of freedom. RFID's for chickens? Seriously? I have nowhere else to emigrate. Greetings from the Czech Republic. Cheers to industrial food and european union!
Well that threshhold in Ontario is 100 layers or 300 broilers per year. Those are pretty low numbers, cant make a living off 100 layers or 300 broilers. How is a small farmer supposed to grow his business if his options are 100 layers or 14,000 layers. How does a small farmer make that leap? well they don't.
it's very interesting what he's saying about third world countries and that the people in those countries are very interested while in 1st countries they are very resistant and hostile to these methods. it's the same thing with michael reynold's struggle to build earthships, or geoff lawton's work to establish permaculture farming around the world. the people in the poorer countries jump right on it while we in the west just ridicule or ignore it.
Malthusianism has not been discredited. There are places in the world today where Malthusian catastrophes occur - remember, there are still famines in some countries. Too many people, not enough food. Those who have the technology, infrastructure and capital to create more food for their population and/or import it have a significant buffer against overpopulation. Still, we have to remember that population cannot grow FOREVER. Extreme example: can the USA feed one trillion people?
Folk in '3rd world countries' have not somehow developed the ability to forget how to grow food over the past few decades. Something else has happened. Polyface farm is simply sensible, human, ecological and from the look of the place a great place to live. Making our food this way is a good way to live. Go figure.
@fool320, They aren't that smart. And they have no reason to. Joel's strategy is to give all his animals a job they're naturally predisposed to do. And then to combine their needs and impact in clever ways. For example, by following the cattle with chickens at just the time when the fly maggots are largest he gets the chickens to spread the manure, eat the fly larvae, and the young grass shoots (improving their diet.) Animals raised in this way have better things to do than leave.
Malthusian predictions fail when you don't take human ingenuity into account - but what happens when you aren't saved by human ingenuity? You starve. There are no Salatins in Somalia. This cleverness cannot be predicted, it can't be guaranteed to happen in every instance every time, yet we rely on it completely. We don't find solutions and then increase population accordingly - we go the other way around, increasing population and hoping it works out. It's simply a gamble.
@crabstu Malthusianism has been discredited!?! Where? To just about anybody that knows how to use their eyes, Malthus has pretty much been proven correct. Not that we couldn't shift gears now and adopt a more sustainable way of life, but we won't...
There is indeed enough food in the world to feed everyone at the moment. But that's not the point I'm making. Forget the strawman argument of instant global catastrophe - you agree that it's possible for certain regions to fall into famine, right? And that the drought is what directly caused the famine in Somalia? Sure, we could deliver food from outside, but right now they cannot feed themselves. As a closed system, the current population in Somalia unsustainable.
I know this is a year old comment. I just want to put forth that there are ways of farming in some arid and other very dry climates. Internet search should reveal many. That does not help right now but we need to start now.
Never trust the FDA , right on Mr. Salatin.
Your ideas are what will save this environment,economy and life in general.
Anytime you need a master carpenter volunteer please put in on your web site....I'll come running!
Great show. Thanks for posting. Kudos to Joel for doing things the right way.
I am from Bangladesh. I am impressed and try to implement in my village.
Joel you're a force to be reckoned with. How incredible your mission and the following you have inspired. My son is well on his way to success. He brought his family to your farm and spoke with you personally. He purchased your program and never looked back. He is dedicated now to the life of the farmer. I couldn't be happier. He built his boilers and has 87 chicks coming next week. He has raised a hog, to feed the family. He has Texas A&M rabbits, ducks, and a turkey. Additionally his wife and 2 little girls and 2 family dogs. Your mission inspired and transformed his life. I am his biggest fan, and owe it all to you. Pinkytnindy aka Teddy's Mom
thank you so much for the three videos. it's been great to listen to what Mr. Salatin has to say and show. a very knowledgeable person.
If you raise chickens or cattle....you REALLY need to watch this. Awesome info!
Thanks for sharing this with us.
I want to buy this guy so many beers.
I just discovered that Joel Salatin has been a Ron Paul supporter for years! More reason to respect this great man!
I am really excited to meet that guy.
Joel is a genius, I wish I could be a part of what he does. I have 10 chickens on a half acre up here in L.I. New York and everyone thinks I'm crazy. God Bless you Joel I'd love to meet you someday. What can I do to help.
Damn good video series! I love Salatin! I am emulating him on my 90 acre farm here in Kansas with great results! Pay close attention to what he says about "taking market share" it is so darned true! The wrath of Monsanto Con Agra greed will breathe down your neck when you start taking market share.
much love from Kenya
Great video keep em coming!
this guy has got it right i take my hat of to him he cares about the animals that feed us good food heathy us well done dear sir i salute u thank you
this is so awesome I wish I could work for a farmer for a year or 2 and learn this type of farming.
Do it.
Salatin's book "You Can Farm" is a good start, it's an excellent general resource. Depending on what you are doing and where you are in the world you should be able to do quite a bit on 3.5 acres. Growing season and rainfall are going to be your big limiting factors. 3.5 acres converted to SPIN style market gardening can net you $50,000 a year. If you're doing mixed animals on pasture it's harder to say.
Great show! Random question... how does he keep the turkeys from "jumping" (e.g., flying) the electric fence? Is he clipping the wings on a periodic basis?
Great stuff, would love to see some buckwheat in that cover crop mix too :)
Here is another great example of someone trying to detach themselves from the industrial cartel that promotes technology has the only way forward and experiencing great harship. The battles fought here are incredible and I truly hope that the customership of this farmer will protect and fight with him. This is a big battle between the technology reliants and the not, those addicted to future happiness or not.
I want to run a farm like this in Australia
Aussie Dave do it.
I think that all should have the advantage and knowledge to provide for themselves...Now if you can only get the kids to put down their video games/technology and learn! I was fortunate to have the knowledge and hard work of my grandparents passed onto me, and appreciate the simple yet harder acheived things in life.
Coming from 7 generations of farmers, it was well known and always passed down that farming is done because you love it because, by nature, it is actually a non-profit endeavor.
so inspiring , so intelligent .... both of them !
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Yes, we're increasing our numbers and hoping we will find a way to produce more food with less land and water. Whether we admit it or not, that's what we're doing.
The recent famines in East Africa are caused by drought. The region simply cannot support the population in times of drought.
It is these new types of business models that will anchor economic stability for our country, that's for sure. The government has been very confused about it's priorities for a long time - the abundance of capitolism can do that to the weak-minded - but grassroots efforts like this will ultimately re-establish a sound economy over time.
When the black swan hits the market, the same "Truth in Agriculture" will be found all around. Everywhere the money devils are hiding the truth up and down the markets. The truth all over this earth will eventually rue the day, a new awakening ... its already happening in fits n starts. jmo.
Malthus' *observations* have been proven correct by humanity's growth curve. Humans reproduce and spread, using up more and more resources. Now, we're seeing the price of resources rise. It will get worse. We could do differently, but we won't.
But you'll get no argument here that Malthus' recommendations were monstrous.
Salatin offers methods of production that could remain viable...nearly forever. He's the reason my family just finished a meal including our self-raised grass-fed lamb.
The electrified netting is doing the job that was once done by Little Boy Blue, the Goose GIrl, Heidi and Peter...
" In Somalia, a two-year drought - which is phenomenal in now being the driest year in the last 60 - has caused record food inflation, particularly in the expectation of the next harvest being 50% of normal. Somalia already had levels of malnutrition and premature mortality so high as to be in a “normalized” state of permanent emergency. This is true too in pockets across the entire region."
I love this guy. His resistance to the boughtandpaidfor USDA is awesome. He knows what is healthy and good for us to eat because the USDA/FDA has evolved their standards based upon the big commercial growers and we all know that's the crap way they've come down on the little guy.... I'd say the real problem is with lobbyists' protection of their corporate masters.
Are you hiring? I wanna be a farmer too. Just fly me out there and ill work for ya Joel.
For reasonable compensation.
Keep fighting the good fight, and if I might add, only sell to Liberty Loving Customers! Let the other's eat the seeds they sow!
THEY BOTH ARE VERY INTELLEGENT
we in Ireland strip graze and have done so for years. It is a great way to manage grass. I think 100 per acre is a bit much though
not if you emphasize the "mobile" in mob, mobile, mow axiom.
Yeah the regulations just keep getting worse and worse to exclude the small producer. In Canada we have a quota system on chicken and milk production. Basically if you want to farm chicken or dairy you have to be a millionaire. 1.25 million to buy into the quota system.
its really cool what your doing
Qualitative Observation is a scientific method where you make and record observations. So yes just doing that is science. Quantitative Analysis is the use of systematic empirical investigation, aka what you think science is.
Also routinely introducing new bacteria to a population has TREMENDOUS health benefits for the long term. By allowing people to roam his farm he may loose some stock but in the long run has animals with stronger immune systems. Source: I am a Molecular Biologist.
Ron Paul is on the side of freedom in farming!
Unfortunately if we get rid of the quota system farmers will have to get even bigger to make any money.Without quotas there will be even more fluctuation in price and as far I am concerned that is not good for the farmer or the consumer. Finally there is a threshhold before the quota system takes effect and that wouldn't have any effect on what a small farmer could produce.
I bet Joel votes Ron Paul 2012. I know I am!!!
@fool320 i grew up around chickens in large flocks fenced in like this too. i can explain. it DOES happen, but not often. the turkeys simply dont have anything they want outside the fence and would rather stay with the flock anyway. they COULD fly back in too, but usually dont. its simple...you just put them back in. being outside the fence is no real issue. the fence is not to keep them in so much as to keep predators OUT, you see.
I always see this and think why don’t they bring goats in behind to eat weeds? Chickens need to be right behind 60 hours later to harvest flies pupae and scatter nutrients. Looks like an awesome operating system.
Were doing our first chicken tractor and loving it. Just one thing you just said "no flies". We are having flies when we move it. Are we doing something wrong?
I think Joel's Salatin is saying that fly's cant reproduce using the manure of the broiler chickens because it doesn't build up. Fly's that are coming from else where would still be attracted.
Also fly's larva/maggots are reduced significantly in the manure of his cows because the egg layer chickens scratch and spread the manure out, eating the larva/maggots.
A great American right there.
This was 8 years ago, what happened with the microchip problem?
How many total acres does he run the cows on in .5 acer paddocks
The "PROBLEM" is that Joel's systems WORK!!! If implemented all around the country and the world....we would greatly reduce energy usage, and ALOT of big $ people will take a hit....I hope that what people will take most from this, is that we really DO NOT have a FREE market
So where does this NAIS issue stand 11 years later? As a person interested in farming in Mr Salatin’s way, is this an impediment to starting?
Skashoon I don’t know. Reach out to his office they’ll tell you if you can’t find the answer on a search engine.
Sickness itself is profitable too, when it's applied to the poor it's like a heavy tax that cannot hardly be escaped.
I fully agree.
Time to stand
Where's the comfrey?
10.24- 10.50 totally agree
@Ullbritt and most of all, regulate against everything.
WOULD DANIEL SELL A COUPLE DOES AND A BUCK.
WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE BREED AND HIS WORK
Not science based, easily remedied. Just do some testing and write an article of the results which you send to the peer reviewed agricultural science magazine.
does joel give these birds a shot when they are chicks.
People try to grow their own food, share it with others, and are forced to stop in communities and even their own front yards... alternatives exist to our food problems but if we were to grow our own food etc big agri and their backers would lose money. Our rights always get squashed where big amounts of money is involved...
that's not true.... it takes a lot more than just keeping records to be "science based", for sure. granted, it's a little different in each state, but the feds are the ones whoa re driving it. You have to ensure biosecurity on the farm, limit "visitors", ensure they disinfect their shoes if they do visit, and ensure there is a separate area for visitors vice allowing them access to the whole farm.What Joel is doing there, allowing these guys to roam throughout the whole property is not allowed
noble!
23.29 - 25.30 It's not unintended it's totally intended- to destroy local small farmers and allow industrail corporate dominance.
hey, I thought that US is a country of freedom. RFID's for chickens? Seriously? I have nowhere else to emigrate. Greetings from the Czech Republic. Cheers to industrial food and european union!
hello wake up!
Well that threshhold in Ontario is 100 layers or 300 broilers per year. Those are pretty low numbers, cant make a living off 100 layers or 300 broilers. How is a small farmer supposed to grow his business if his options are 100 layers or 14,000 layers. How does a small farmer make that leap? well they don't.
it's very interesting what he's saying about third world countries and that the people in those countries are very interested while in 1st countries they are very resistant and hostile to these methods. it's the same thing with michael reynold's struggle to build earthships, or geoff lawton's work to establish permaculture farming around the world. the people in the poorer countries jump right on it while we in the west just ridicule or ignore it.
Malthusianism has not been discredited. There are places in the world today where Malthusian catastrophes occur - remember, there are still famines in some countries. Too many people, not enough food. Those who have the technology, infrastructure and capital to create more food for their population and/or import it have a significant buffer against overpopulation. Still, we have to remember that population cannot grow FOREVER. Extreme example: can the USA feed one trillion people?
Folk in '3rd world countries' have not somehow developed the ability to forget how to grow food over the past few decades. Something else has happened.
Polyface farm is simply sensible, human, ecological and from the look of the place a great place to live. Making our food this way is a good way to live.
Go figure.
@fool320 why don't you just call the farm? They would not mind.
@markallanfox, because greater wealth in people doesn't correspond to more children, but less.
@fool320, They aren't that smart. And they have no reason to. Joel's strategy is to give all his animals a job they're naturally predisposed to do. And then to combine their needs and impact in clever ways. For example, by following the cattle with chickens at just the time when the fly maggots are largest he gets the chickens to spread the manure, eat the fly larvae, and the young grass shoots (improving their diet.) Animals raised in this way have better things to do than leave.
Malthusian predictions fail when you don't take human ingenuity into account - but what happens when you aren't saved by human ingenuity? You starve. There are no Salatins in Somalia.
This cleverness cannot be predicted, it can't be guaranteed to happen in every instance every time, yet we rely on it completely. We don't find solutions and then increase population accordingly - we go the other way around, increasing population and hoping it works out. It's simply a gamble.
@crabstu Malthusianism has been discredited!?! Where?
To just about anybody that knows how to use their eyes, Malthus has pretty much been proven correct. Not that we couldn't shift gears now and adopt a more sustainable way of life, but we won't...
There is indeed enough food in the world to feed everyone at the moment. But that's not the point I'm making. Forget the strawman argument of instant global catastrophe - you agree that it's possible for certain regions to fall into famine, right? And that the drought is what directly caused the famine in Somalia? Sure, we could deliver food from outside, but right now they cannot feed themselves. As a closed system, the current population in Somalia unsustainable.
THAT HAT WOULD MAKE ANYBODY LOOK RETARDED .EVEN ME
I know this is a year old comment. I just want to put forth that there are ways of farming in some arid and other very dry climates. Internet search should reveal many. That does not help right now but we need to start now.