Enjoyable video! I didn't realize Danny was a reviewer until he panned the room, then I said "oh, he must be a reviewer". Anyway, love the passion and the discussion. Cheers, Tom
German guy is totally running rings around the American guy. This is a very revealing video, but you need to read between the lines. Keep up the good work guys, love ya!!
The "German guy" is trying to imply several things (e.g., about the complexity of the speaker) and "the American guy" is just brushing it off because he knows its not relevant to his own experience. It's Danny who is being the gracious one here.
@@SonicFlare Btw, maybe a topic for another episode. What characteristics made you chose the Wilson’s over any other speaker. Did you had the chance to compare the chronosonics with other speakers in the same price range or did you like the Alex’s so much that the upgrade path was pretty much predetermined?
High end is best sound, best materials, best craftsmanship. but sometimes high end is just a show to get money out of the customer's pocket. I go to the high end in Munich every year and it is often the not-too-expensive speakers that stand out, like the Totem Acoustic Tribe Tower. I bought my high end speakers, tt, cd player and amplifier on the used market for like 4000 Euro and it sounds perfect to me in my room.
Music Lover and Audiophile perspective --- If you got the cash and music is your passion, who cares how much one wants to or is able to spend. Danny loves music and he said he has a system in every room of his home. Danny cares about quality. Looking forward to next interview!
WOW wtf? amazing. what I love is all this vinyl scattered everywhere. same as in my room. a music room does need to look exactly like this one. I love it. thanks for sharing. and enjoy it, you deserve it Danny. greetings from cologne.
Another great segment and discussion Michael. I loved every second of it. And Danny, you had me literally on the floor rolling in laughter as you described your real estate house tour experience and you finally reached "THE HOUSE and ROOM" and instantly knew it and closed the transaction (cracked me up to no end). I can totally relate; though on a much, much, much lower scale and had a similar experience with my own home some 25 years ago. Finally, it truly is a blessing to be able to enjoy music the way you wish to enjoy it. And, it goes without having to say, you have absolutely no reason to ever be apologetic in doing so. Have fun and enjoy my friend and I very much look forward to the next segment.
This conversation was great! Danny, I fully understand your moving into your home because it had a great listening room. I’d absolutely do it myself if I were to move. Haha! Love it!
Yep. A big selling point on the house I bought was the 24' by 17' room on the second floor. In a city filled with western style homes with busy architecture and too many little rooms this older 1974 era home was refreshing. Regarding the cost of the Wilson loudspeakers, the greatest cost would be the labor--both the man hours to design and construct them and the other costs related to employing those craftsman in the U.S.A. I get tired of people complaining about the cost of this thing or that thing and then complaining about jobs and factories leaving the states. The hypocrisy is palpable.
Dude- you obviously don’t know anything about the cost of making things. Labor is NOT the biggest part of the ~$300K cost - that’s ridiculous. Just like the labor cost to assemble a Bugatti is nowhere near a big part of the cost of that car manufacturing.
Michael, I am an early follower of yours and greatly enjoy your reviews and persona. Also your guests are always entertaining and informative, specifically Danny is a charming enthusiast. He has much to share and offer with his passion and carefree manner. If I may request more interaction between you and Danny as your questions can be thought provoking and more directed to what may peak your viewers. Hope this is taken in a positive light and looking forward to any and all content. Much Thanks.
Lieber Danny, das hat doch mal wieder richtig Spaß gemacht mit dir und deinen WA Chronosonic😀👍🏼 Ikonische Lautsprecher hast du😍😍😍 Jeder Mensch hat andere Ohren und hört anders. Ich liebe Horn Lautsprecher und höre mein DS Audio mit Avantgarde Acoustic Lautsprechern und Röhre😊 Liebe Grüße aus Düsseldorf
That one hifi guy in the group that has the value of 3 single family houses standing in his music room😂 this is probably the most difficult setup i have ever seen, you really can really adjust it to your room and make it sound like you want it. Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Great video Michael & Danny really enjoyed it. Danny always great to hear from you. I love it when you go through your vinyl recommendations. Getting back to the video, I’m struggling with the cost of something like that. From an engineering point of view your speakers look amazing & I could understand if they cost 10k. But how much better can they sound than say a 10k pair of speakers. You know what I’m saying,surely can’t sound 350k better. I’m a total believer in the source. Starting with the best vinyl version of a record. The best cartridge,stylus you can afford. Tone arm ,turntable etc,etc. Then moving on to the best sounding amp. Brilliant music room Danny . All the very best Michael & Danny ✌️ Kind regards Liam,from Liverpool England
Cheers Liam! Wilson Audio makes speakers starting at $10k US... scale and market size are limitations for anything bespoke and high end. I don't think I'd buy a Saville Row bespoke suit for 20k, but clearly there's a market for it. As I've said anything can be taken to the extreme. You can enjoy music for much, much, much less and I can rattle off any number of Hi-Fi's I have put together for people that cost a fraction of these Wilson speakers... so again it's all about scale and importance. If I ever pick up the game of golf, I'll never enjoy it at the level that a Pro does. Perspective is the mother of all clarity.
Hallo Michael, hallo Danny, that's youtube at its best!!!!!!!!!!! well 4 ohm is when it comes to "tube amplification" a bit tricky - tube amps mostly need high ohm ( 8 or even more ohm) speakers. Some Wilson speakers for example the "Wilson Audio Sasha" , too tend to go in a very low impedance range at low frequencies which is very demanding for the "power stage". But it's not really the question of much watts - the question is the ability of the power stage to deliver the electricity the speaker demands! So the correct answer is "loadstability" - the ability of an amp to deliver electricity at complex loads1 Well done - congrats for this session! Kind regards Steve
Traditionally the nominal impedance was calculated based on the impedance dip of the speaker: the dip is 80% of the nominal value. That is, a speaker that dips to 1 ohm is technically a 1.2 ohm speaker (and should be marketed as such), not a 4 ohm. That's why tube amplifiers do not work with them as they are designed specifically for 4, 8, 16 or whatever fixed load. I'm sure someone will come up with a monster tube amp within a few years with a one ohm output tap and that will be able to handle the current demand of the XVX. The whole point of nominal impedance was to be able to choose an amplifier that matches a certain speaker. Nowadays when a speaker is called 4 ohms, it can be 3 ohms or even less. While 2 and 4 are no so different numbers, the differences between the required properties are as big as between a sports car and an agricultural combined harvester (fast and light versus slow and heavy). The reason behind low impedance is to suit solid state amplifiers much better - as they are current amplifiers. Still, we would need true impedance ratings for speakers, as many solid state amplifiers are not built to provide current for near-short loads. "Properly built" amplifier is not an appropriate thing to say, as designing an amp to handle near short loads also introduces drawbacks (time and phase smear due to massively paralleled output devices to handle the load.) As always, in audio, when we fix one issue, we compromise another. ;_)
Thank you both. Great video.I am a believer on Danny's comments. So on a laughter note..."Go on Danny...admit to Michael that you accept Mcintosh as Hi-End ! :-):-):-) I saw it in your face :-):-):-). Still I feel so sad that we are too little of us enjoying musik and too far apart .
Interesting chat with Danny regarding scaling of recordings via the Wilsons. We learned alot about him and his tastes with this video.BTW, he was quite correct that Holly Cole isn't very tall. I interviewed her on air for an hour when she did her first large tour for the release of her album Girl Talk.
Great video! The discussions traversed many great topics. So, at that price level, how do you decide which speakers to buy? Do you hear large differences between the Wilsons, Focal Utopias, and Nola Regerences for example. I've heard offerings from those companies (the Alexx from Wilson for example), and at some point, they all sound great. For significantly less, I would be tempted to just buy something at the level of the Tannoy Canterburys and pocket the rest, but maybe I'm missing something. Thanks!
Hey Terry… sure, there’s always differences you can hear and I agree that at some point on some level there is great sound to be had across the board which I think is true across a certain threshold - as Michael puts it, “high-end” which really is worth of a whole different video I think - and so you listen for cues and nuances that speak to you. Just recently I heard a pair of restored JBLs from the 70s that sounded spectacular at a fraction of the price. So it’s all a matter of scale and perspective. You get what you get for what your needs are.
@@SonicFlare Thanks for the reply. I guess it goes to what you said, "You pick what you feel a connection with..." I guess for me, I feel a connection with so many of them! (Sounds like you also have this issue!!) BTW, I picked up a copy of Miles in Tokyo. Great pressing, low surface noise, but I feel l like the fine detail is missing... I don't hear a lot of frequency extension from Miles' trumpet for example. I almost feel as if there is a phase issue with the recording. Did you experience this? Maybe it's just my pressing, but I know you mentioned that the mics might have been behind the artists/recording stage, which would explain some of it.
Speaking of learning, I learn a lot of you guys, thanks. I just love the contrast between you two, Michael with everything neat, and Danny's room is a mess. I can see Michael lose the patience with the price talk, but unfortunately that's a topic… and you didn't touch the cable stuff and the unbelievable prices they carry. When I bring someone here the first it’s probably the loudness and the second is “how much” - my answer it’s always “they’re mine, they’re not for sale”, to the point I did pretty much quit bring here people. They’re just "uncle scrooges", instead of enjoy the music and the possibility of listening something amazing, they just annoy me with questions I don’t care. Even my family doesn’t care about this stuff… I guess that’s one of the reasons I love watch your channel, I can identify the passion.
Please know that calling someone a Pharisee in a pejorative way is offensive to many modern Jewish people. The group got a bad rap in the christian bible, but their teachings are foundational for modern Judaism. Anyway, your point is understood without it and you did the right thing when you stopped inviting people over who only cared about the cost of something vs. the amount of beauty they produced.
@@bradleykay Thank you for your comment, nevertheless you understood, there's an historic context. Bad rap? Maybe the bible is offensive, like Huckleberry Finn or Dr. Seuss - maybe we should change the bible like they want to change (or changed already) the aforementioned books, or just destroy it. The Aristocats animation is offensive, there's a siamese cat there so I've heard. Nowadays everything is offensive to someone in the US of A and that's a bigger export than audiophile gear. I can imagine if the "offense police" starts dig our records and our great compositors and musicians of the past… Anyway, no offense, they we're expelled from my temple. Or at least they're not invited. I mean my friends. The jews and all the music lovers are very much welcome.
First of all - what a great youtube clip, of you both “ you took the words right of my mouth”and as well from my “music loving” soul! Hi Michael, with your objection regarding the complexity you are absolutely right - whether very large speakers will all work out as expected and then in the end there is the financial aspect and the weight?! But there might be another approach that works! Here are my thoughts……. On one hand - the more the loudspeaker increases in height, the more it moves away from the acoustic ideal of the point source. And if you then divide the frequency range into 4 parts with a crossover and reassemble the whole thing, frequency components are automatically lost as information. And on the other hand - large costly efforts have to be made to compensate for these resulting problems!
For these reasons, many musicians and sound engineers trust, when they listen to music at home as a listening tool, in 2 way monitors of renowned manufacturers like e. g. B. Harbeth 30. 1/30. 2, PMC twenty5 22, ME - Geithain Me 100, ATC SCM 19 or even 2 way coax monitors like Tannoys or active like the 3 way “Coax Genelecs” to keep the sources of error as low as possible. I myself as a non musician use the ATC SCM 19 and operate it with a Mosfet solid state amp with 30 WPC (ATC recommends 75 - 300 wpc for these speakers ! But who needs 300 WPC - you can use it to get the paint off the walls or ruin your ears as Danny stated) and 3 tube amps - a H.H. Scott LK 72 “Stereomaster” from the “golden tube age” in 1961 with 36 PP WPC which outperforms a Mc Intosh MA 230 “Hybrid”, a 7 PP Wpc and a 6 SET WPC (which are doing a nice job, even with the 85dB ATC SCM 19 playing jazz or accoustic rock) have been connected to full range drivers with 6" in TL with 92dB, a 8" FRD in RESO - Cabinet (9 mm thickness - after the "German Tube Pope" Dr. Götz Wilimzig and his book: "Höchst Empfindlich") with 94 dB and a 12" FRD with 98dB (a cinema fullrange speaker)in an OB - always in front of the background of an point source and the missing crossover. And always with the background that 0. 5 WPC at a 85 dB speaker means room volume in a room between 275 and 330 SQFT and 2 WPC double room volume, 8 WPC fourfold room volume and 32 WPC eightfold room volume. So that even 7 WPC on a 85 dB sensitive speaker can work: ruclips.net/video/caU9-a59biA/видео.html&start_radio=1 and more explanations with a 87 dB fullrange - speaker: ruclips.net/video/vaiEDYB5c9M/видео.html and a High End manufacturer talking plainly between 3: 15 - 3: 40 ruclips.net/video/htFVmQgZr4Q/видео.html Danny and Michael - congrats to your systems and you’re both absolutely right with your statement that “High End Audio” has made a very poor job in the last three or four decades and that a system should make you feel - that with your eyes closed the artist is playing in front of you. As well as the statement of Michael to keep things simple. These three statements are the key statements! Well done! Kind regards!
Michael, I totally get what you were saying about those giant speakers and their magnification. I am also not a huge fan of that. In between the lockdowns last year I had the opportunity to listen to a pretty high end system which had exactly that problem. Don’t get me wrong detail, separation, bass and soundstage were miles ahead of my current system. But everything was so magnified I felt like a dwarf beyond giants. Definitely not something I am looking for in high end audio. My system does a way better job at scaling musicians to the right size.
Magnepans have that issue... I was at a shop that was playing Bridge Over Troubled Water through a pair of 1.7s, and when the vocals started, Art Garfunkel's head was about 5 ft wide and at least as tall, towering down upon us like the Great Oz. The only thing missing was the flames. Killed any desire I had to venture into moderately priced flat panel speakers.
I think that is what most audiophiles are used to....music about three feet high (like probably most of the speakers are about). But that’s not MUSIC, that’s just Hifi. Music indeed IS much bigger (not larger than life).. but larger than most living room friendly speakers with a pretty wooden surface and a high WAF.
There will always be the 'specialist ends' of any hobby. Car fanatics will lust after Ferraris (and owners will tell of their poor reliability and constant tinkering etc).. Foodies will seek out Michelin star restaurants. The 'bell curve' of intensity and expense will always attract the serious hobbyists at the ends of the spectrum. Nothing wrong with that, just the investment in appreciation.
Danny, I think Michael is trying to convince you to sell the Wilson,s and commission Volker a uber Einstein speaker that can be run with OTL full range and not to have to use MC,s for the bass. Great interview guys, keep up the great content.
I'm watching this today. For most, speakers are the pods they put in their ears, the portable bluetooth one or at the club. It suits the lifestyle. If people slowed down and got a simple system, they would appreciate the MUSIC and life.
Danny, I just made a comment on your channel yesterday about the speakers and now there is a video on them. Probably the best speakers in the world (and most expensive,too). Micheal Fremer has the Wilson speakers, too. He always has the best or nothing (My car's slogan)
I don't think I could ever just listen to my music on a boombox or a Sonos or whatever and I have a decent medium range hi-fi that suits my lifestyle and room. But I can honestly say that I hope I don't ever hear a high end hi-fi and endanger myself with the potential of having to have that sound for myself. I'm happy to be at the range I'm at. A bit like knowing I'll never need to drive a Ferrari .
Trying modular systems with simple suspended elements. The big question behind is about killing vibrations to get less pollution between speakers : molecular clarity, not bad, yes hearing each source as an entity, not as a piece of cloud. I guess a lot of you are aware of this 4th dimension in the lessening experience : you really can travel through a playback like in a landscape, and walk so many ways through it. So here you pay for the trip.
I change my property quiet often, because of my job, and always property agents don't understand, why the most important room for me is the living room. I'm seek to explain them, that I need space for my hi-fi system and record collection. They never, ever understand it. :-)
Michael, you have obviously visited Hi-End Munich, as have I on several occasions in recent years. I am always knocked out by the Silbatone/Western Electric horns presentations, which leads me to question, what has been learned in the many decades since these speakers were produced - apart from the fact they require a concert hall sized listening room to accommodate them?!
having heard the huge Sound Labs at THE Show Newport a few years ago, playing a solo guitar recording, i was stunned to not hear a 6.5 foot tall guitar. i have not had the pleasure to hear the bigger Wilsons playing a similarly small or other proportioned performer but i am not surprised to hear that they have the same capability. ...hifitommy
Thanks to both of you!! Again very interesting....but I sensed a certain misunderstanding between Michael and Danny regarding Michael’s issue with complexity...I think Michael‘s point was that he finds it questionable when components become too technically complex to serve the musical signal still in an appropriate way. And Danny explained the complexity thing in a more wholistic general way and also tried to „justify“ (or explain) the MSRP with the complexity of producing the single parts of the speaker.... But furthermore...as good as the Einstein tube power amps probably are, they simply miss the headroom (power) to really get a grip on those kind of speakers properly. Even though Wilson gives a 50 watts power requirement for them...this ain’t enough to REALLY make them shine. In the Wilsons case I personally would recommend to pair the Einstein tube preamp (which is also excellent) with a pair of really good Solid state mono blocks with sufficient output power (and class of course).
Michael, I once "enjoyed" a scale ten Vindaloo,began hallucinating and saw a twelve metre tall John Coltrane...danke gott I am not the only one to experience this ......
@ Danny: speakers do need space. But your room seems not so big. Do you think, that you can get everything from the wilson's? :-) I asked this when the video was started. Du sprichst doch ganz gut deutsch
Grüß dich, klar, bin ja quasi ein Auslands-Wiener… 😆 The room is 35 x 16 feet… which is plenty of space, especially behind the speakers where they have the ability to project a soundstage with genuine depth and scale. Cheers!
Who would have predicted that IKEA would get into the high end audio market? Well when you spend 350:000 dollars on speaker and then you have to put them together yourself I consider it beyond a joke.
Danny may have bought the house to fit the speakers, but he didn’t factor in all the other clutter he was going to acquire to prevent him from getting optimal distance away to listen to them😂
From the look of his set up it seems he's actually started his set up by using the rule of thirds, tweaked from there, and is sitting the appropriate distance from his speakers. My concern though is the weight of these speakers. I'm sure he took this into account though and his floors are solid under the wood. For those who have heard these Wilson's you'd know that they don't produce outsized images and they play gentle and soft as well as they play loud material. They are extremely coherent, and no, you don't need 5-6 meters listening distance. They are also surprisingly nimble. Although there are multiple drivers they sound like a true point source, and these huge speakers do an unbelievable job of disappearing. They're some of the great speakers in the world. Congratulations Danny and good listening. I'm too jealous to be envious.
@@SonicFlare of course he hasn't because the internet is rife with 'armchair' experts. That said, i think you setup is killer. I also listen in the near to mid-field way away from the front wall (or back wall) depending on your perspective.
Funny story. Friend came over and saw my setup and asked me what’s that? I said it was a vacuum tube headphone and my friend asked me how do you hook the hose up to vacuum?
What is the point of having a system like this if it is not placed in an equally sophisticated audio environment? From what I can see of Danny's room it is not that. The room is everything.
Question for Danny: You know how some speakers "open up" when played at a louder volume, do your speakers play consistently at all volume levels or does the sound change as you adjust the volume?
I can't speak for Danny, however what you're describing is a psycho-acoustic phenomenon, not a physical characteristic of the loudspeaker. Loudspeakers don't "open up", or enter into a sweet spot at certain volumes. They're most linear at low drive levels. The physics involved dictate the higher the drive level, the greater the non-linearities... without exception.
Hi end audio is for people who care more about the sound of the music than the content of the music, which is ok, fun hobby. Being a musician I'm split. Probably why I can't stand audiophile music, but want as nice a system as I can afford to listen to my old Tull records.
2 things: 1. I enjoy watching videos of high end. I’m not at Danny’s level of investment but also younger and have hopefully some time to catch up. 2. I will criticize one thing. Danny can’t complete a singular topic. Michael was trying to get at how complex speakers (crossovers and drivers) can lead to poor sound and Danny keeps rambling but doesn’t exactly answer the question. Michael had to ask the same question twice. Danny says I’ll give you two nuggets... in response to a different question... and only gives one example. Third, Danny brings up the cost of the speakers completely out of left field in the first 5 minutes... then says but it’s irrelevant. So why bring up the cost? Basically I felt like I watched a 44 minute video for 5 minutes worth of information.
Incredible loudspeakers, electronics and vinil collection, but the room size and acoustic treatment is way below what this speakers need to fully squeeze what they are capable of...
I know beauty is in the eye (and ear) of the beholder but I find those speakers visually repulsive. I would not want to live with them no matter how unbelievable they sound.
funny, my wife said when I watched a youtube video with a WA alexx: "they're ugly, they won't come into my apartment" I would choose them in a fancy Green... But now I have the B&M active speakers in tricolore macassar. Beauty, not the colour - The sound:-)
Yeah, the WAF of Wilson Audio speakers in general might not be the highest....but set up correctly there simply is NO competition regarding the sound capabilities. And a TRUE audiophile makes no compromises and doesn’t have to ask his spouse/ wife or girlfriend if she finds the speakers „pretty“ ! 😎
I took your video for real until you reached the point that MACs are not high end. Now thats silly! You know Macs were there before the term " high end" was invented and i am quite sure that they will be there for ever. McIntosh does not care about the newest fashion. These Components can be repaired no matter how old they are and still be working ever after. I own a 12000 Deutschmarks Recordplayer, that anyone might call "highend". The Brand "Horstmann & Petter" is out of the market now for several years. No chance of getting a repair done at the manufacturers place. It is still working, but whats the deal when it is out of order some day? "Nachhaltigkeit" is a strong point, talking of highend for me. I prefer Brands like McIntosh or my Shindo Gear, that lasts for a lifetime. Wilson Audio will do so as well...
When talking about HighEnd here it’s primarily about sonics...And there McIntosh isn’t HighEnd in the real sense of the word. Even though your other points are certainly correct also.
@@bikemike1118 He did not say that... trying to pull something about his comment which isn't there.... McIntosh was "High End" before that term was even used to describe audio.... I'll go back to listening my lowly ATC SCM 19 speakers, Clearaudio Concept Turnable, with my McIntosh MC300 amp and C34V pre amp... and continue to buy records..CDs and enjoy musical bliss with plenty of room to spare:)
@@i35photo it surely leaves some room for interpretation what is HighEnd.... at the end of the day we‘re all into the same things: good music, nice gear and satisfying sonic experiences. Viele Wege führen nach Rom
@Scott Byhoff please read more carefully, Scott! Nobody said Mac isn’t HighEnd cause they’re widely known! As I stated above: it all comes down to one’s personal definition of what is HighEnd.
I watched it again. Michael: Question regarding complexity of a speaker and how it can sound dysfunctional. Danny: Goes on a 5 minute diatribe without answering the question but rather talks about unrelated things.
Any German field coil loudspeaker like Voxativ or Wolf Von Langa, extracts more music than any other conventional loudspeaker I've heard. All the rest is nicely away from the real deal... IMHO
Danny is super annoying. No doubt the XVX are amazing, but I’m not sure I would accept an invitation to hang out with Danny, as he would annoy the F! Out of me.
To each his own but if he thinks those speakers aren't the epitome of conspicuous consumption he blew too many brain cells out with those ridiculous looking stormtroopers speakers. This guy is nauseating. You can't appreciate music really???? if you don't have $350,000 speakers? This seems more like satire to me than serious.
Many jobs are created and supported by the purchase of these speakers. Both white and blue collar jobs. CEOs, engineers, die makers, factory workers, etc.
before you criticize someone that can buy 360K speakers you probably shouldn't be watching this channel. There are plenty of beer-budget like-minded people with RUclips channels that better suit your considerable biases and head-in-sand mentality.
@@Carrera6rennsport lol. Okay. There is a whole lot of space between $360,000 speakers and a "beer budget mentality" but if you are so enamored with some guy pimping his $360,000 speakers in a 10x10 room telling the rest of us we might as well listen to our Alexas, be my guest. I'll grab another beer.
Sorry "Danny", I couldn't get through this entire video listening to your rant talking about nothing really. I thought I could pick up some helpful information if it were only presented and explained by someone who can speak with much more intelligence. I can only assume you are a paid "reviewer" and get to play with equipment that is way out of your league and comprehension and probably have no ownership anyhow. Kudos to you Michael for your patience putting up with this American mouthpiece, he strikes me as "all show and no doe". Love your channel.
"... if it were only presented and explained by someone who can speak with much more intelligence." - it appears you were triggered by something. I don't follow Danny, but his conversation here is quite the contrary to your derisive statement about him.
Please drive these on a proper amp: McIntosh doesn’t cut it! And keep the preamps off the amps! Amateur-hour. Try with a DarTZeel 18NS and 108 and properly vibration isolate them and be prepared to be blown away.
Danny is so clueless about labor and machining costs, it’s laughable. The fact that they are made in the US does NOT have any correlation to the price of these speakers. A CNC machine costs less than these speakers retail for, not ‘millions of dollars’. A drill bit is a few hundred dollars. I’m not saying they are not worth the $300K price - they are worth what the market is willing to pay for them. But please don’t justify the price by saying ‘they are made in Utah’ - you sound like a fool.
YOU think they are ugly. That’s just YOUR personal opinion. Would be better to make statements like that, instead of generalizing things and tastes. What would you say if somebody said to you: „...your wife/ girlfriend is ugly as hell!“. ?? That also would represent his personal opinion and probably not necessarily YOUR opinion, let alone the absolute truth. So mind your words, fellow
@@bikemike1118 OH relax now Mike. They are objects, not people and I'm sure this guy will get over the fact that not everyone has the same sense of design. After all, this is simply just another one of those bragging videos that are all too common now. I'm sure he couldn't care less what I think just as I couldn't care less what he or you think.
I don’t think my ears are good enough to even know one way or the other. A million dollar stereo system in just ridiculous to me. Nice is one think but that is just snobby
Thank you both of you for sharing all this knowledge...I love this speakers...
Enjoyable video! I didn't realize Danny was a reviewer until he panned the room, then I said "oh, he must be a reviewer". Anyway, love the passion and the discussion.
Cheers, Tom
German guy is totally running rings around the American guy. This is a very revealing video, but you need to read between the lines. Keep up the good work guys, love ya!!
German guy gets it. The other guy is trying too hard to impress people that he has exquisite taste.
I always admire the Germans (the Krauts, we jokingly say sometimes). They always seem to know exactly what they are doing. An American.
The "German guy" is trying to imply several things (e.g., about the complexity of the speaker) and "the American guy" is just brushing it off because he knows its not relevant to his own experience. It's Danny who is being the gracious one here.
Thank you Danny for the insights. Once more a pleasure to watch.
Cheers!
@@SonicFlare Btw, maybe a topic for another episode. What characteristics made you chose the Wilson’s over any other speaker. Did you had the chance to compare the chronosonics with other speakers in the same price range or did you like the Alex’s so much that the upgrade path was pretty much predetermined?
@@jazzmetalaudiophile great questions. Would love to hear Danny’s answers.
High end is best sound, best materials, best craftsmanship.
but sometimes high end is just a show to get money out of the customer's pocket. I go to the high end in Munich every year and it is often the not-too-expensive speakers that stand out, like the Totem Acoustic Tribe Tower.
I bought my high end speakers, tt, cd player and amplifier on the used market
for like 4000 Euro and it sounds perfect to me in my room.
Music Lover and Audiophile perspective --- If you got the cash and music is your passion, who cares how much one wants to or is able to spend. Danny loves music and he said he has a system in every room of his home. Danny cares about quality. Looking forward to next interview!
So big monsters in a small room, like Star Wars soldiers attacking you. Hope you win the fight.
Danny, my story is similar to yours!...I bought my tiny decrepit cottage because it was perfect for my Richter Merlin bookshelf speakers!!
Haha!!! Love it... I knew I can't be the only fool out here... lol 😆
Regarding scale, Paul McGowan said in one of his videos every recording has its perfect volume and I think this nails it.
Mr. Paul said that, has to be right.
Let's get that right
WOW wtf? amazing. what I love is all this vinyl scattered everywhere. same as in my room. a music room does need to look exactly like this one. I love it. thanks for sharing. and enjoy it, you deserve it Danny. greetings from cologne.
Cheers to Köln!
Another great segment and discussion Michael. I loved every second of it. And Danny, you had me literally on the floor rolling in laughter as you described your real estate house tour experience and you finally reached "THE HOUSE and ROOM" and instantly knew it and closed the transaction (cracked me up to no end).
I can totally relate; though on a much, much, much lower scale and had a similar experience with my own home some 25 years ago.
Finally, it truly is a blessing to be able to enjoy music the way you wish to enjoy it. And, it goes without having to say, you have absolutely no reason to ever be apologetic in doing so. Have fun and enjoy my friend and I very much look forward to the next segment.
I really enjoy the videos you and Danny have done together:)
Thank you!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
This conversation was great! Danny, I fully understand your moving into your home because it had a great listening room. I’d absolutely do it myself if I were to move. Haha! Love it!
Yep. A big selling point on the house I bought was the 24' by 17' room on the second floor. In a city filled with western style homes with busy architecture and too many little rooms this older 1974 era home was refreshing.
Regarding the cost of the Wilson loudspeakers, the greatest cost would be the labor--both the man hours to design and construct them and the other costs related to employing those craftsman in the U.S.A. I get tired of people complaining about the cost of this thing or that thing and then complaining about jobs and factories leaving the states. The hypocrisy is palpable.
Dude- you obviously don’t know anything about the cost of making things. Labor is NOT the biggest part of the ~$300K cost - that’s ridiculous. Just like the labor cost to assemble a Bugatti is nowhere near a big part of the cost of that car manufacturing.
Michael, I am an early follower of yours and greatly enjoy your reviews and persona. Also your guests are always entertaining and informative, specifically Danny is a charming enthusiast. He has much to share and offer with his passion and carefree manner. If I may request more interaction between you and Danny as your questions can be thought provoking and more directed to what may peak your viewers. Hope this is taken in a positive light and looking forward to any and all content. Much Thanks.
Lieber Danny,
das hat doch mal wieder richtig Spaß gemacht mit dir und deinen WA Chronosonic😀👍🏼 Ikonische Lautsprecher hast du😍😍😍
Jeder Mensch hat andere Ohren und hört anders. Ich liebe Horn Lautsprecher und höre mein DS Audio mit Avantgarde Acoustic Lautsprechern und Röhre😊
Liebe Grüße aus Düsseldorf
Those speakers are true piece of art!
Agreed... you may not care for music or audio or Hi-Fi but there's no denying that! 😃
Oh my god i was shocked when Danny said "10 years ago". Time flies.
Yes we understand ! i'm still waiting to move to buy big speakers with deep bass.
That one hifi guy in the group that has the value of 3 single family houses standing in his music room😂 this is probably the most difficult setup i have ever seen, you really can really adjust it to your room and make it sound like you want it.
Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Looks like what stormtroopers would have in their canteen haha very enjoyable video
Great video Michael & Danny really enjoyed it.
Danny always great to hear from you.
I love it when you go through your vinyl recommendations.
Getting back to the video,
I’m struggling with the cost of something like that.
From an engineering point of view your speakers look amazing & I could
understand if they cost 10k.
But how much better can they sound than say a 10k pair of speakers.
You know what I’m saying,surely can’t sound 350k better.
I’m a total believer in the source.
Starting with the best vinyl version of a record.
The best cartridge,stylus you can afford.
Tone arm ,turntable etc,etc.
Then moving on to the best sounding amp.
Brilliant music room Danny .
All the very best Michael & Danny ✌️
Kind regards Liam,from Liverpool England
Cheers Liam! Wilson Audio makes speakers starting at $10k US... scale and market size are limitations for anything bespoke and high end. I don't think I'd buy a Saville Row bespoke suit for 20k, but clearly there's a market for it. As I've said anything can be taken to the extreme. You can enjoy music for much, much, much less and I can rattle off any number of Hi-Fi's I have put together for people that cost a fraction of these Wilson speakers... so again it's all about scale and importance. If I ever pick up the game of golf, I'll never enjoy it at the level that a Pro does. Perspective is the mother of all clarity.
@@SonicFlare totally understand.
Great answer 🤙
Hallo Michael, hallo Danny, that's youtube at its best!!!!!!!!!!!
well 4 ohm is when it comes to "tube amplification" a bit tricky - tube amps mostly need high ohm ( 8 or even more ohm) speakers. Some Wilson speakers for example the "Wilson Audio Sasha" , too tend to go in a very low impedance range at low frequencies which is very demanding for the "power stage". But it's not really the question of much watts - the question is the ability of the power stage to deliver the electricity the speaker demands! So the correct answer is "loadstability" - the ability of an amp to deliver electricity at complex loads1 Well done - congrats for this session! Kind regards Steve
Traditionally the nominal impedance was calculated based on the impedance dip of the speaker: the dip is 80% of the nominal value. That is, a speaker that dips to 1 ohm is technically a 1.2 ohm speaker (and should be marketed as such), not a 4 ohm. That's why tube amplifiers do not work with them as they are designed specifically for 4, 8, 16 or whatever fixed load. I'm sure someone will come up with a monster tube amp within a few years with a one ohm output tap and that will be able to handle the current demand of the XVX. The whole point of nominal impedance was to be able to choose an amplifier that matches a certain speaker. Nowadays when a speaker is called 4 ohms, it can be 3 ohms or even less. While 2 and 4 are no so different numbers, the differences between the required properties are as big as between a sports car and an agricultural combined harvester (fast and light versus slow and heavy). The reason behind low impedance is to suit solid state amplifiers much better - as they are current amplifiers. Still, we would need true impedance ratings for speakers, as many solid state amplifiers are not built to provide current for near-short loads. "Properly built" amplifier is not an appropriate thing to say, as designing an amp to handle near short loads also introduces drawbacks (time and phase smear due to massively paralleled output devices to handle the load.) As always, in audio, when we fix one issue, we compromise another. ;_)
@@realworldaudio Thanks for reply - I agree on that. Kind regards from germany!
Thank you both. Great video.I am a believer on Danny's comments. So on a laughter note..."Go on Danny...admit to Michael that you accept Mcintosh as Hi-End ! :-):-):-) I saw it in your face :-):-):-). Still I feel so sad that we are too little of us enjoying musik and too far apart .
Agreed 👍
Wow Danny, I’m totally blown by your speakers, there bonkers and must sound amazing. Great rave with Michael.
Great to spot an album by the Dutch band Solution!
Love Solution!!!
Great discussion
Cheers!
Interesting chat with Danny regarding scaling of recordings via the Wilsons. We learned alot about him and his tastes with this video.BTW, he was quite correct that Holly Cole isn't very tall. I interviewed her on air for an hour when she did her first large tour for the release of her album Girl Talk.
Great video! The discussions traversed many great topics. So, at that price level, how do you decide which speakers to buy? Do you hear large differences between the Wilsons, Focal Utopias, and Nola Regerences for example. I've heard offerings from those companies (the Alexx from Wilson for example), and at some point, they all sound great. For significantly less, I would be tempted to just buy something at the level of the Tannoy Canterburys and pocket the rest, but maybe I'm missing something. Thanks!
Hey Terry… sure, there’s always differences you can hear and I agree that at some point on some level there is great sound to be had across the board which I think is true across a certain threshold - as Michael puts it, “high-end” which really is worth of a whole different video I think - and so you listen for cues and nuances that speak to you. Just recently I heard a pair of restored JBLs from the 70s that sounded spectacular at a fraction of the price. So it’s all a matter of scale and perspective. You get what you get for what your needs are.
@@SonicFlare Thanks for the reply. I guess it goes to what you said, "You pick what you feel a connection with..." I guess for me, I feel a connection with so many of them! (Sounds like you also have this issue!!) BTW, I picked up a copy of Miles in Tokyo. Great pressing, low surface noise, but I feel l like the fine detail is missing... I don't hear a lot of frequency extension from Miles' trumpet for example. I almost feel as if there is a phase issue with the recording. Did you experience this? Maybe it's just my pressing, but I know you mentioned that the mics might have been behind the artists/recording stage, which would explain some of it.
Speaking of learning, I learn a lot of you guys, thanks.
I just love the contrast between you two, Michael with everything neat, and Danny's room is a mess. I can see Michael lose the patience with the price talk, but unfortunately that's a topic… and you didn't touch the cable stuff and the unbelievable prices they carry.
When I bring someone here the first it’s probably the loudness and the second is “how much” - my answer it’s always “they’re mine, they’re not for sale”, to the point I did pretty much quit bring here people. They’re just "uncle scrooges", instead of enjoy the music and the possibility of listening something amazing, they just annoy me with questions I don’t care. Even my family doesn’t care about this stuff…
I guess that’s one of the reasons I love watch your channel, I can identify the passion.
I'm usually neat too... usually...
Please know that calling someone a Pharisee in a pejorative way is offensive to many modern Jewish people. The group got a bad rap in the christian bible, but their teachings are foundational for modern Judaism.
Anyway, your point is understood without it and you did the right thing when you stopped inviting people over who only cared about the cost of something vs. the amount of beauty they produced.
@@bradleykay Thank you for your comment, nevertheless you understood, there's an historic context. Bad rap? Maybe the bible is offensive, like Huckleberry Finn or Dr. Seuss - maybe we should change the bible like they want to change (or changed already) the aforementioned books, or just destroy it. The Aristocats animation is offensive, there's a siamese cat there so I've heard. Nowadays everything is offensive to someone in the US of A and that's a bigger export than audiophile gear. I can imagine if the "offense police" starts dig our records and our great compositors and musicians of the past…
Anyway, no offense, they we're expelled from my temple. Or at least they're not invited. I mean my friends. The jews and all the music lovers are very much welcome.
First of all - what a great youtube clip, of you both “ you took the words right of my mouth”and as well from my “music loving” soul!
Hi Michael, with your objection regarding the complexity you are absolutely right -
whether very large speakers will all work out as expected and then in the end there is the financial aspect and the weight?!
But there might be another approach that works! Here are my thoughts…….
On one hand - the more the loudspeaker increases in height, the more it moves away from the acoustic ideal of the point source. And if you then divide the frequency range into 4 parts with a crossover and reassemble the whole thing, frequency components are automatically lost as information. And on the other hand - large costly efforts have to be made to compensate for these resulting problems!
For these reasons, many musicians and sound engineers trust, when they listen to music at home as a listening tool, in 2 way monitors of renowned manufacturers like e. g. B. Harbeth 30. 1/30. 2, PMC twenty5 22, ME - Geithain Me 100, ATC SCM 19 or even 2 way coax monitors like Tannoys or active like the 3 way “Coax Genelecs” to keep the sources of error as low as possible.
I myself as a non musician use the ATC SCM 19 and operate it with a Mosfet solid state amp with 30 WPC (ATC recommends 75 - 300 wpc for these speakers ! But who needs 300 WPC - you can use it to get the paint off the walls or ruin your ears as Danny stated) and 3 tube amps - a H.H. Scott LK 72 “Stereomaster” from the “golden tube age” in 1961 with 36 PP WPC which outperforms a Mc Intosh MA 230 “Hybrid”, a 7 PP Wpc and a 6 SET WPC (which are doing a nice job, even with the 85dB ATC SCM 19 playing jazz or accoustic rock) have been connected to full range drivers with 6" in TL with 92dB, a 8" FRD in RESO - Cabinet (9 mm thickness - after the "German Tube Pope" Dr. Götz Wilimzig and his book: "Höchst Empfindlich") with 94 dB and a 12" FRD with 98dB (a cinema fullrange speaker)in an OB - always in front of the background of an point source and the missing crossover.
And always with the background that 0. 5 WPC at a 85 dB speaker means room volume in a room between 275 and 330 SQFT and 2 WPC double room volume, 8 WPC fourfold room volume and 32 WPC eightfold room volume.
So that even 7 WPC on a 85 dB sensitive speaker can work:
ruclips.net/video/caU9-a59biA/видео.html&start_radio=1
and more explanations with a 87 dB fullrange - speaker:
ruclips.net/video/vaiEDYB5c9M/видео.html
and a High End manufacturer talking plainly between 3: 15 - 3: 40
ruclips.net/video/htFVmQgZr4Q/видео.html
Danny and Michael - congrats to your systems and you’re both absolutely right with your statement that “High End Audio” has made a very poor job in the last three or four decades and that a system should make you feel - that with your eyes closed the artist is playing in front of you. As well as the statement of Michael to keep things simple. These three statements are the key statements! Well done! Kind regards!
I'rather go with the PMC twenty.5 22 as well....😜👍
Great video 👌
Great video Danny and Mike . Live your vids
Michael, I totally get what you were saying about those giant speakers and their magnification. I am also not a huge fan of that. In between the lockdowns last year I had the opportunity to listen to a pretty high end system which had exactly that problem. Don’t get me wrong detail, separation, bass and soundstage were miles ahead of my current system. But everything was so magnified I felt like a dwarf beyond giants. Definitely not something I am looking for in high end audio. My system does a way better job at scaling musicians to the right size.
Magnepans have that issue... I was at a shop that was playing Bridge Over Troubled Water through a pair of 1.7s, and when the vocals started, Art Garfunkel's head was about 5 ft wide and at least as tall, towering down upon us like the Great Oz. The only thing missing was the flames. Killed any desire I had to venture into moderately priced flat panel speakers.
I think that is what most audiophiles are used to....music about three feet high (like probably most of the speakers are about). But that’s not MUSIC, that’s just Hifi. Music indeed IS much bigger (not larger than life).. but larger than most living room friendly speakers with a pretty wooden surface and a high WAF.
Thank you guys. Great video!!!!!
There will always be the 'specialist ends' of any hobby. Car fanatics will lust after Ferraris (and owners will tell of their poor reliability and constant tinkering etc).. Foodies will seek out Michelin star restaurants. The 'bell curve' of intensity and expense will always attract the serious hobbyists at the ends of the spectrum. Nothing wrong with that, just the investment in appreciation.
Danny, I think Michael is trying to convince you to sell the Wilson,s and commission Volker a uber Einstein speaker that can be run with OTL full range and not to have to use MC,s for the bass. Great interview guys, keep up the great content.
I'm watching this today. For most, speakers are the pods they put in their ears, the portable bluetooth one or at the club. It suits the lifestyle. If people slowed down and got a simple system, they would appreciate the MUSIC and life.
Now I see what Davis was talking about ^^
Edit : I hope there's at least a warble cancelation mode on those"
Danny must eat a lot of bananas if $360,000 is what he spends on bananas in 3 years. I'm impressed.
Danny, I just made a comment on your channel yesterday about the speakers and now there is a video on them. Probably the best speakers in the world (and most expensive,too). Micheal Fremer has the Wilson speakers, too. He always has the best or nothing (My car's slogan)
Not most expensive.
I don't think I could ever just listen to my music on a boombox or a Sonos or whatever and I have a decent medium range hi-fi that suits my lifestyle and room. But I can honestly say that I hope I don't ever hear a high end hi-fi and endanger myself with the potential of having to have that sound for myself. I'm happy to be at the range I'm at. A bit like knowing I'll never need to drive a Ferrari .
Trying modular systems with simple suspended elements.
The big question behind is about killing vibrations to get less pollution between speakers : molecular clarity, not bad, yes hearing each source as an entity, not as a piece of cloud.
I guess a lot of you are aware of this 4th dimension in the lessening experience : you really can travel through a playback like in a landscape, and walk so many ways through it.
So here you pay for the trip.
I change my property quiet often, because of my job, and always property agents don't understand, why the most important room for me is the living room. I'm seek to explain them, that I need space for my hi-fi system and record collection. They never, ever understand it. :-)
love the topic
Michael, you have obviously visited Hi-End Munich, as have I on several occasions in recent years. I am always knocked out by the Silbatone/Western Electric horns presentations, which leads me to question, what has been learned in the many decades since these speakers were produced - apart from the fact they require a concert hall sized listening room to accommodate them?!
having heard the huge Sound Labs at THE Show Newport a few years ago, playing a solo guitar recording, i was stunned to not hear a 6.5 foot tall guitar. i have not had the pleasure to hear the bigger Wilsons playing a similarly small or other proportioned performer but i am not surprised to hear that they have the same capability.
...hifitommy
I see cassettes!!! What deck?
It should be a Studer "Revox B215" deck.
Great review....
Wow imagining listening to my 78,s on this system .
Great guy and nice insights.
Thanks to both of you!! Again very interesting....but I sensed a certain misunderstanding between Michael and Danny regarding Michael’s issue with complexity...I think Michael‘s point was that he finds it questionable when components become too technically complex to serve the musical signal still in an appropriate way. And Danny explained the complexity thing in a more wholistic general way and also tried to „justify“ (or explain) the MSRP with the complexity of producing the single parts of the speaker....
But furthermore...as good as the Einstein tube power amps probably are, they simply miss the headroom (power) to really get a grip on those kind of speakers properly. Even though Wilson gives a 50 watts power requirement for them...this ain’t enough to REALLY make them shine. In the Wilsons case I personally would recommend to pair the Einstein tube preamp (which is also excellent) with a pair of really good Solid state mono blocks with sufficient output power (and class of course).
Michael, I once "enjoyed" a scale ten Vindaloo,began hallucinating and saw a twelve metre tall John Coltrane...danke gott I am not the only one to experience this ......
McIntosh amps are not high end because they put the transformer behind the transmitter.....please explain Michael.
You loose a lot of information doing this
Are you a qualified mechanical engineer and explain your remark? TRANSMIT? Gee....I don't know. There's always one in the crowd.
Very funny, thanks!
Great. I just add to cart a pair.
@ Danny: speakers do need space. But your room seems not so big. Do you think, that you can get everything from the wilson's?
:-) I asked this when the video was started.
Du sprichst doch ganz gut deutsch
Grüß dich, klar, bin ja quasi ein Auslands-Wiener… 😆
The room is 35 x 16 feet… which is plenty of space, especially behind the speakers where they have the ability to project a soundstage with genuine depth and scale. Cheers!
@@SonicFlare that is large enough i gues
Da bekomme ich gleich Lust auf ein Schnitzel
@@matzeflamingos bwahahahaha genau!!! Mit Kartoffelsalat!
@@SonicFlare kalt oder lauwarm?
Who would have predicted that IKEA would get into the high end audio market? Well when you spend 350:000 dollars on speaker and then you have to put them together yourself I consider it beyond a joke.
Actually you don't.
Don’t what ?
Big speaker.
Danny may have bought the house to fit the speakers, but he didn’t factor in all the other clutter he was going to acquire to prevent him from getting optimal distance away to listen to them😂
Have you heard my setup?
From the look of his set up it seems he's actually started his set up by using the rule of thirds, tweaked from there, and is sitting the appropriate distance from his speakers. My concern though is the weight of these speakers. I'm sure he took this into account though and his floors are solid under the wood. For those who have heard these Wilson's you'd know that they don't produce outsized images and they play gentle and soft as well as they play loud material. They are extremely coherent, and no, you don't need 5-6 meters listening distance. They are also surprisingly nimble. Although there are multiple drivers they sound like a true point source, and these huge speakers do an unbelievable job of disappearing. They're some of the great speakers in the world. Congratulations Danny and good listening. I'm too jealous to be envious.
@@SonicFlare of course he hasn't because the internet is rife with 'armchair' experts. That said, i think you setup is killer. I also listen in the near to mid-field way away from the front wall (or back wall) depending on your perspective.
These speakers look like what a xenomorph would choose for his hifi gear 😎👽
How much can they handle. Peak watts?
Funny story. Friend came over and saw my setup and asked me what’s that? I said it was a vacuum tube headphone and my friend asked me how do you hook the hose up to vacuum?
I think I’ve just seen the future. Not in my lifetime though!
What is the point of having a system like this if it is not placed in an equally sophisticated audio environment? From what I can see of Danny's room it is not that. The room is everything.
Question for Danny: You know how some speakers "open up" when played at a louder volume, do your speakers play consistently at all volume levels or does the sound change as you adjust the volume?
I can't speak for Danny, however what you're describing is a psycho-acoustic phenomenon, not a physical characteristic of the loudspeaker.
Loudspeakers don't "open up", or enter into a sweet spot at certain volumes. They're most linear at low drive levels. The physics involved dictate the higher the drive level, the greater the non-linearities... without exception.
@@FOH3663 Not true.
@carlos oliveira
Care to elaborate?
Excellent
Those speakers, that room...
A set of ears, system and room synergy would have given you so much more...
For so much less
Have you actually heard it? 🤔
It looks like a robot from a 50's Science Fiction Movie.
I have found the best sound in my experience have been two way and a good three way speakers 👍👍
Hi end audio is for people who care more about the sound of the music than the content of the music, which is ok, fun hobby. Being a musician I'm split. Probably why I can't stand audiophile music, but want as nice a system as I can afford to listen to my old Tull records.
2 things:
1. I enjoy watching videos of high end. I’m not at Danny’s level of investment but also younger and have hopefully some time to catch up.
2. I will criticize one thing. Danny can’t complete a singular topic. Michael was trying to get at how complex speakers (crossovers and drivers) can lead to poor sound and Danny keeps rambling but doesn’t exactly answer the question. Michael had to ask the same question twice. Danny says I’ll give you two nuggets... in response to a different question... and only gives one example. Third, Danny brings up the cost of the speakers completely out of left field in the first 5 minutes... then says but it’s irrelevant. So why bring up the cost?
Basically I felt like I watched a 44 minute video for 5 minutes worth of information.
What is high end???
When you are sitting in front of your system and you forget it because you are thinking that you are in the recording room
@Piotr Konieczynski that the last I doing during listening music
How good can a $360.000 speaker be, perhaps not as good as a $600.000 speaker, but then we can listen to Quad 57s and live happily ever after.
Only for specific small scale music.
For 350.000.00 you can buy a subscription for The Met or Berlin Philharmonic for many years and fly business class every other week 😄
Incredible loudspeakers, electronics and vinil collection, but the room size and acoustic treatment is way below what this speakers need to fully squeeze what they are capable of...
WOW
I know beauty is in the eye (and ear) of the beholder but I find those speakers visually repulsive. I would not want to live with them no matter how unbelievable they sound.
That’s why there is no shortage of designs to choose from 😎
funny, my wife said when I watched a youtube video with a WA alexx: "they're ugly, they won't come into my apartment"
I would choose them in a fancy Green...
But now I have the B&M active speakers in tricolore macassar. Beauty, not the colour - The sound:-)
Yeah, the WAF of Wilson Audio speakers in general might not be the highest....but set up correctly there simply is NO competition regarding the sound capabilities. And a TRUE audiophile makes no compromises and doesn’t have to ask his spouse/ wife or girlfriend if she finds the speakers „pretty“ ! 😎
@@bikemike1118 hahahaha #truestory 😆
At the start Danny was rambling away while at the same time saying nothing for 14 minutes until Michael leaned forward and put a stop to him.😃
I took your video for real until you reached the point that MACs are not high end. Now thats silly! You know Macs were there before the term " high end" was invented and i am quite sure that they will be there for ever. McIntosh does not care about the newest fashion. These Components can be repaired no matter how old they are and still be working ever after.
I own a 12000 Deutschmarks Recordplayer, that anyone might call "highend". The Brand "Horstmann & Petter" is out of the market now for several years. No chance of getting a repair done at the manufacturers place. It is still working, but whats the deal when it is out of order some day?
"Nachhaltigkeit" is a strong point, talking of highend for me. I prefer Brands like McIntosh or my Shindo Gear, that lasts for a lifetime.
Wilson Audio will do so as well...
When talking about HighEnd here it’s primarily about sonics...And there McIntosh isn’t HighEnd in the real sense of the word. Even though your other points are certainly correct also.
@@bikemike1118 He did not say that... trying to pull something about his comment which isn't there.... McIntosh was "High End" before that term was even used to describe audio.... I'll go back to listening my lowly ATC SCM 19 speakers, Clearaudio Concept Turnable, with my McIntosh MC300 amp and C34V pre amp... and continue to buy records..CDs and enjoy musical bliss with plenty of room to spare:)
@@i35photo it surely leaves some room for interpretation what is HighEnd.... at the end of the day we‘re all into the same things: good music, nice gear and satisfying sonic experiences. Viele Wege führen nach Rom
@@bikemike1118 Fair enough.... Its all good at the end of the day.
@Scott Byhoff please read more carefully, Scott! Nobody said Mac isn’t HighEnd cause they’re widely known!
As I stated above: it all comes down to one’s personal definition of what is HighEnd.
The common man cannot afford this stuff.
Speakers are like dogs. They are chosen to reflect the personality of their owners😂
LOL LOL, Love it!
And how much money they earn!!
I consider myself fortunate to earn a comfortable salary. But I would need to work four years without eating to afford these speakers!
I watched it again.
Michael: Question regarding complexity of a speaker and how it can sound dysfunctional.
Danny: Goes on a 5 minute diatribe without answering the question but rather talks about unrelated things.
Wilson with the big hole in the mid range still ? yes
Any German field coil loudspeaker like Voxativ or Wolf Von Langa, extracts more music than any other conventional loudspeaker I've heard. All the rest is nicely away from the real deal... IMHO
Room is too small for this wonderful speaker…. 😎
Dang it... I said I was going to criticize one thing and I mentioned mentioned 2 items... d’oh!
Danny is super annoying. No doubt the XVX are amazing, but I’m not sure I would accept an invitation to hang out with Danny, as he would annoy the F! Out of me.
Meanwhile,you can DIY insane speakers for $10k a pair with superb drivers and superb cabinets.
To each his own but if he thinks those speakers aren't the epitome of conspicuous consumption he blew too many brain cells out with those ridiculous looking stormtroopers speakers. This guy is nauseating. You can't appreciate music really???? if you don't have $350,000 speakers? This seems more like satire to me than serious.
Many jobs are created and supported by the purchase of these speakers. Both white and blue collar jobs. CEOs, engineers, die makers, factory workers, etc.
before you criticize someone that can buy 360K speakers you probably shouldn't be watching this channel. There are plenty of beer-budget like-minded people with RUclips channels that better suit your considerable biases and head-in-sand mentality.
@@Carrera6rennsport lol. Okay. There is a whole lot of space between $360,000 speakers and a "beer budget mentality" but if you are so enamored with some guy pimping his $360,000 speakers in a 10x10 room telling the rest of us we might as well listen to our Alexas, be my guest. I'll grab another beer.
" You can't appreciate music really???? if you don't have $350,000 speakers? " - a claim which Danny did NOT make.
Your gonna need a bigger boat 😂
350k speakers and 30k amps. Lol.. what a joke
Sorry "Danny", I couldn't get through this entire video listening to your rant talking about nothing really. I thought I could pick up some helpful information if it were only presented and explained by someone who can speak with much more intelligence. I can only assume you are a paid "reviewer" and get to play with equipment that is way out of your league and comprehension and probably have no ownership anyhow. Kudos to you Michael for your patience putting up with this American mouthpiece, he strikes me as "all show and no doe". Love your channel.
"... if it were only presented and explained by someone who can speak with much more intelligence." - it appears you were triggered by something. I don't follow Danny, but his conversation here is quite the contrary to your derisive statement about him.
Please drive these on a proper amp: McIntosh doesn’t cut it! And keep the preamps off the amps! Amateur-hour.
Try with a DarTZeel 18NS and 108 and properly vibration isolate them and be prepared to be blown away.
Danny is so clueless about labor and machining costs, it’s laughable. The fact that they are made in the US does NOT have any correlation to the price of these speakers. A CNC machine costs less than these speakers retail for, not ‘millions of dollars’. A drill bit is a few hundred dollars.
I’m not saying they are not worth the $300K price - they are worth what the market is willing to pay for them. But please don’t justify the price by saying ‘they are made in Utah’ - you sound like a fool.
Gotta question the priorities of someone putting half a million dollars worth of audio equipment in such a small, messy room.
I'm sure those speakers sound amazing but they are ugly as hell.
YOU think they are ugly. That’s just YOUR personal opinion. Would be better to make statements like that, instead of generalizing things and tastes. What would you say if somebody said to you: „...your wife/ girlfriend is ugly as hell!“. ?? That also would represent his personal opinion and probably not necessarily YOUR opinion, let alone the absolute truth. So mind your words, fellow
@@bikemike1118 OH relax now Mike. They are objects, not people and I'm sure this guy will get over the fact that not everyone has the same sense of design.
After all, this is simply just another one of those bragging videos that are all too common now.
I'm sure he couldn't care less what I think just as I couldn't care less what he or you think.
I removed walls to accommodate my speakers.
I don’t think my ears are good enough to even know one way or the other. A million dollar stereo system in just ridiculous to me. Nice is one think but that is just snobby
They probably are 400watts RMS.