Replacing Non-Aero Brake Hoods/Cables/Housings On Vintage Road Bike
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The original hoods on some Dia Compe non-aero brakes were fried, bumpy and sticking to the brakes. They were starting to disintegrate or decomposing or melt or something. I bought some replacement Cane Creek hoods and install those along with new cables and housings. The bike is a 1981 Trek 412.
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You're videos have been the most helpful on the internet while I try and restore my fathers 1982 Fuji road bike. Nice work.
Same. Royale II here. What are you working on?
I'm in the process of (finally!) refurbishing my 1981 Trek 6-series that I bought new, and which has been collecting dust in my garage for years. I'm sure I'll be referencing your videos quite a bit in the days and weeks ahead!
+77hodag Be sure to check this one: ruclips.net/video/3hC1Xb1UZro/видео.html
ok, thanks! My brake hoods looked EXACTLY like yours!
Hi RJ...this is the next step in my 1989 Allez rebuild. Thanks very much. I replaced the Suntour aero hoods with Dia-Compe and man they are a bear to stretch over. I will be routing the brake cables under the bar tape (that was stock for my model).
Great videos, so very useful to novice/intermediate mechanics.
Great video. I used the same Cane Creek hoods as you to replace the hoods on my first gen 1973 dura ace levers. Not exact, but close enough and a lot better than nothing, at a reasonable cost. Dia Compe also make similar hoods that fit some other levers. I used washing up liquid to slide the hoods on, after warming them for a while with a hairdryer
Excellent instructional video... your explanation and photography are clear and concise. It's a pleasure to watch and listen to you! Phil
Thanks! Exactly what I needed, and easily understood! U saved me a good £30. Odd that the bike shop chose not to do something so easy, before selling me the bike. They could have charged a good £50 more, at least, esp. if they also just pumped up the tyres.
Thanks again!
i was having one hell of a time trying to figure out what i was doing wrong, and thanks to your video i realized i was missing a part. thank you so much. you have my sub =)
Takes me back to my thrift store days
can't count the number of bikes I bought and sold from there, always super crusty grips and hoods
helped me a lot with my cilo swiss! thank you
Thank you RJ I have followed your instructions and managed to replace my non aero brake cables!
Thank you for this informative video. I realised that my brake Levers don't have the ferrules at the top, so they've nothing to push against to make the lever work.. at least those parts are only £3 appx..
Just replaced the hoods on my bike, they had pretty much turned into a sticky glob.
Thanks for the tip, the rubbing alcohol worked great!
Darth Exodus I use alcohol all the time, it evaporates and that is it. I use it especially on mountain bike grips.
RJ - wanted to pick your brain but have no other way to contact you other than here. I'd like to take an old Schwinn or Raleigh etc - give it a custom paint job and put all brand new modern components on it. What frame or bike would be a good candidate? Something fairly light and strong as well as reliable for a steel frame? Thanks in advance for your time.
Mike Bishop Well, then I wouldn't really recommend old Schwinns (American made) or Raleighs. Both these bikes can have weird threadings and sizes that make updating difficult. Find a mid to late 80's Japanese bike with Tange frame. Japan was exporting high quality bikes during this period. Look for one that already has 700c wheels. Here is a great article: erickimphotography.com/blog/2010/08/17/how-to-buy-an-amazing-road-bike-for-under-200/
RJ The Bike Guy Thank you so much!!! I knew you'd have the answer. And thanks for the videos as well! It's the best bike info out there. Keep it up!!!
+RJ The Bike Guy would black hoods stand up better in weather extremes?,are they uv stabilised? also have u ever tried to solder the cable ends?,any idea how to do it?,i guess u would have to remove the outer cable so the lining doesn't melt,just curious as my dad said that it was done in the 60/70's & would look neater too :)
I don't know if color would make a difference. Rubber breaks down after a while.. Nope, I have never soldered cable ends.
Liked the old ones....gives it that old vintage look.
Good to know about tutorial your the guy thanks for the video😀
After 32 years of service,my hoods are starting to go. Nowhere near as bad as the ones you were fixing on this bike - mine are just starting to split and not very pliable (made it a bit interesting for wrapping the bars - I managed to get the tape under them nicely though). I'm now looking around to try and find a set...
RJ is a Legend, also his voice. Go Ahead mate!
Good job... I myself would have used less cable housing... Or even tucked it in the wraps.
Nice job. If it was mine, I'd replace those calipers with modern dual pivots.
Thank you ! awesome !
Well done, RJ. This help a lot.
Thanks RJ! Exactly what I needed.
Enjoying your stuff even if my new found love of old classic British bikes is slowly bankrupting me
Great video, thanks for the nice, clear instructions.
I ordered those same hoods for my nishiki continental.
I tried the alcohol lube and the new brake hood ripped. Tried simple dish soap and no problem. Now, since I need 2 I must order another set and wait for delivery and then have a spare.
Ouch. I have never had problems using alcohol.
Is it possible to change to hoods without cutting the brakes?
You are going to have to remove the cables one way of the other. Brake cables wear out anyway.
great vid dude , it's my next job on the list
You solved my problem, thanks.
Hi RJ,could u suggest me the best way to maintain the rubber hoods? Many thx
Nice videos as always. I would love to work with you!
I had the cable stops in the brake levers turned the opposite way from how you did it only because I was afraid that if I had it positioned the way that you did it, the cable might slip out of the cable stop through the slot. I realize now that the tension in the cable would have prevented this from happening... Do you think it's okay how I did it, or should I turn it back around?
I can;t tell you without seeing it.
I can't believe the bikes you get at the thrift store! We mostly get kids dept store bikes that are corroded and or need new everything and just are not worth it. I got a Giant 11 Giant revel 2 for $180 CAD needs new back tire, and a 08 specialized globe for $120 (broken seat and spoke) and sold a 12 trek mystic 20 and got another one on the way. Kids bikes are what I usually stay with as they are within my skill set.and before tools were and issue. Also got slightly corroded (sat on concrete) feedback sports consumer stand for 70 so having two stands and one of them being taller, but still not height adjustable helps now when I run into a parts or other issue. Going to get an unknown dual tube muscle bike tomorrow ala stingray looks like one I had in the 60s that was a replacement for my stolen Stingray
Oingo Boingo You have to keep in mind I check multiple thrift stores multiple times a week. Most times there is nothing at all or just dept store bikes/kids bikes. But occasionally I find a good one.
For sure it is not all gravy but you have found some nice ones. I have found some good ones listed for free but they are hard to get to unless you are the first responder.
I also frequently check craigslist and occasionally great deals pop up there if you are fast.
that is my main source Kijiji here, but i don't bother with the fast ones I check the overpriced ones that have been sitting for a month or so. and then try to group a run to pick a few up at a time or some parts etc. Never new how much work it can be but I enjoy the end result. One lady the other day told me how her daughter was so happy to get the bike for her birthday.
The rubbing alcohol will eventually deteriorate the gum hoods. Use soapy water instead.
No it won't. It is commonly used. And soapy water leaves a soap residue. Alcohol evaporates.
Great video
hey RJ do you remember those L shaped levers that attached to the brake levers in the 80's , it was so you could use the brakes no matter where your hands where on the bars , great little vid btw , your getting me all nostalgic :D
David Culshaw They were called "safety" brakes or suicide brakes or many other things. They found on low end bikes and were not actually very good brakes.
RJ The Bike Guy they did have a tendency to fall off or come lose just when you needed them didn't they :) , I had them on an old falcon bike as a kid
fantastic tutorial. fast, but not too fast.
genial video gracias
Hey RJ! Do you know of any brake hoods suitable for these but with the added death grips/safety handles? Thanks!
Thank you for the hands on training vid of brake cables installation! I have one question, do you use any type of lube on your cables?
Thanks,
Darryl
Not on modern cable housings with linings.
What a video! My dude. Graci
Is there a way to change the brake hoods without cutting the brakes?
You have to remove the cables. Might as well replace them.
Awesome!
Hey RJ, is it possible to fix the sticky hoodz on my road bike levers without replacing? (Shimano Exage Motion)
Maybe some talcum powder on them. But they might be toast. I have pulled off grips that had turned to goo. Yuck!
So I have tu cut the wire to change the hoods or I can change it without cutting the wires
Another Great Video, thank you,
Thanks for the video. I'm a beginner at this, so here's my question - what do I do if I don't want to cut and change the brake cables but just want to replace the lever hoods?
ievasieva If you have hoods like these, you will need to remove the cables. And if you are going to remove the cables, you might as well replace them anyway. They should be replaced occasionally.
RJ The Bike Guy Thanks for the tip! I hope I'll manage.
Hi RJ, what kind of lubricant do you recommend? In the Netherlands my brake cables give high friction over time (my bike allways sits in the rain, which is the norm in Amsterdam). I clean them with brake cleaner and then apply teflon grease (replacing this often is too expensive). Might you know a better grease for this purpose?
Thanks for the great videos!
I don't use lubricants in cables. I doubt the brake cleaner is good for the plastic lining.
Do you not oil the inside of the cable housings, or do they have nylon linings? In the relatively moist mid-atlantic climate, oil is essential for smooth operation over a long time. I even add grease to the couple of inches near each cable end to keep water out. I mention this here so that novice followers of your great advice know to oil the cable housing if there are no nylon sleeves inside the housing.
Jamie Magee Modern cables with plastic linings are generally not lubricated. On shift cables it can even negatively affect shifting.
That long brake housing must be in your face when you're in the drops...
Pure pornography for passionate cyclists that love taking care of their bike! Your videos are addictive my friend. Take care, wish you all the best
i would use a simple water for lubrication coz there's no reason to use alcohol whatsoever)))
...and remove those cable stops when you slide the hoods on,it will be much easier when you will put back the cables..that way you can work from the top which is less frustrating
Hi! 2 questions:
1. What kind of brake levelets are in the video (Shimano...?)
2. Are the hoods (in the video) compatible with other shimano brake levelers?
I have a pair of shimano levelers, but I dont quite know witch tipe they are. They are old...and similar to these, but with red butons and bowden stopers.
They are Dia Compe brakes. They will probably work.
@2:56 I threw the old cable housing in the garbage BEFORE my new ones arrived. Now my life is not a lot easier.
You can do it without the old ones. You just have to fit them, and make sure they are long enough for any movement of the handlebars.
Thanks for your video it helped a lot. Where do you buy the cable housings and wires. And approximately how much do they cost.
Amazon.com in bulk. Go to your local bike shop for one bike.
At 6:37, the cable anchor slips out of the slot in the hood, and you put it back in. How do you know that's not going to happen while riding? I'm replacing the brake cables on a similar pair of Weinnman brakes and I'm alarmed that with a bit of jiggling I can easily move the cable out of the lever.
I thought maybe the anchors on the replacement cable were smaller, but they look the same size and also I just tried the same thing with the old cables and they come out as well. There's no fat/thin end to the slot in the holder on my levers, they are symmetrical.
I've been playing around with the levers, and I've mostly convinced myself that the cable won't come out if it's under tension, but still, it would be nice if it couldn't be removed from the "wrong" direction at all.
It won't come out.
Good video but how do you replace the bar tape later on with those hoods on? Unlike modern hoods it doesn't look like those old style replacement hoods have enough flex to roll up out of the way?
Or once they're on can you get them off without destroying them?
They will roll.
I'm trying to fix up a 1980s Raleigh rapide and I'm currently replacing the rear brake cables and housing but I the brakes keep bottoming out. What can I do to avoid that so the brakes actually work?
How wide are the drop bars are on this bike? Do you replace bars on these older road bikes and ride with a more wide cockpit?
Question on the brake hoods. I'm reconditioning an '86 Novara Randonee touring bike and need new brake hoods. The brake levers are non-aero Shimano Z-306. Not surprising, I can't find hoods specific for this older model brake lever. I did notice a few places that sell the Cane Creek hoods (Model 144.7} that appear identical to the hoods in your video. The web sites weren't very specific though, which type brand levers they fit. What's your experience with these Cane Creek hoods. Will they fit a variety of different non-aero brake levers? Don't want to waste time and money, only to get something that won't fit correctly. And - your video is great and easily understood. Thanks - Dan
+Dan Mapes These will fit a lot of older brake levers. Maybe not as well as original. So I can't say one way or another. You can maybe contact Cane Creek.
+RJ The Bike Guy I called Cane Creek. They basically said the same thing as you. So, will have just have to give them a try and see. If they don't fit right, then this bike simply won't have a new set of brake hoods. Getting the new bar wrap I'm also installing to look good around the brake levers will be a little more challenging. Do you have a video installing bar wrap without brake hoods?
+Dan Mapes You can probably wrap them like this: ruclips.net/video/JDzEMggk-z8/видео.html
+RJ The Bike Guy Thanks for the advice on the brake hoods from Cane Creek. I did get them to fit the Shimano brake levers, but did have to enlarge the front hole of the brake hood to fit over the brake lever. Also had to remove the small, cone shaped piece on top of the brake lever that the brake housing/cable slips into to allow the brake hood to slide past. Then put the cone shape piece back in. Not the best overall fit, but the the hoods work. Mission accomplished!!
can you install new hoods without cutting brake cables? would you need to take the existing cables out of the brakes and then pop out of levers?
Just replace the cables. If the hoods need replacing, the cables are probably ready to be replaced too.
ok i will consider that thank you! there are no hoods currently on the bike so i wanted to add some. do you need hoods to protect the levers or is ok to just ride with your hands right on the metal?
They are mainly for comfort and appearance.
This is way too hard. With this type of brake you can just remove the little metal cable housing stops that are on the top of the lever body, they just pull off. Then install the hood, it will slide on easily. Then with needle nose pliers just re-attach the housing stops by pushing them through the cable holes in the hoods until they are seated. No chance of tearing the hood.
do you have a video on quill stem shifter to down tub shifters?
Not really. Though if you dig through my videos, you can probably figure it out.
can u please show us that how we can upgrade our bike by passing the rear brake cable, front and rear derailleur cable through our frame to give it a good , racing and sexy and a new look.
Please.
+Sourya Coomar That would involve drilling holes in the frame. Possible. But it also weakens the frame a little.
+RJ The Bike Guy yes sir but I don't think it will as a bike has many more holes.
Yeah, but they are designed to have those holes and often have reinforcement.
This helped me a lot, great video!
why do you replace the cable housing? I have a '70s legnano with original cable housing, which apparently are kinda rare. if I were to replace the brake cable I should replace the housing as well or could I keep the original? thanks.
Cable housing gets oxidized, corroded, gunked up, bent, worn out, etc, and can diminish shifting, braking. Especially with modern indexed shifters.
Is there any way to install the hoods but keep the existing brake cables?
You cannot replace these hoods without removing the cables. If you are going to be messing with this, then REPLACE THE OLD WORN CABLES!!!
can you tell me how to remove the brake lines on the front brake because im not keeping it
Hey Rj,What could i use if i cannot find replacement for my shifter hoods? I have Shimano St-5500 9speed shifters and I cannot find replacements anywhere.I was thinking about cotton bar tape or usual cork tape. Sadly it had to be UV resistant. thanks
Dunno. Some of those hoods are impossible to find.
Where did the blue handlebar holder come from?
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QSXPL2/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
Are you still out there??? Do you still ride???
Hey RJ. Do I have to cut the cables? I know it’s good to replace them but I literally just got them replaced, then decided to get hoods for the brakes. So is it possible to just take the cables out and putting them back on? Thanks
Yes, possible.
Oh I had the same question! Really new to doing my own repairs - do you have any recommendations for removing and reinstall the existing cables? Thank you!
This will be offtopic. What is the brand of this handlebar. I think I have similar handlebar with two circular logos, with stars aranged in a circle, number 1 (one) in one circle nad "road professional" in other. And no other writing. Handlebar can be seen from 7:25 onwards.
No idea. Sold this bike long ago.
Thank you. I was not targeting you specifically. Just hopping someone would perhaps recognize the handlebar.
How do you recommend removing hoods without damaging them? I have some hoods in excellent condition that I need to move to a different pair of brake levers (from Dura Ace BL-7402 to BL-7401). At 2:00 I see that you install the hoods from the front, so I assume they should also be removed from the front. I’ve tried to do that but I’m afraid that I will damage the hoods. Does it make sense to put the levers in hot water to soften the hoods? Any other ideas?
You can also install them from the back, but you have to remove the levers from the bars. I haven't tried hot water.
@@RJTheBikeGuy Should I be concerned about tearing the hoods by pulling them? The good ones are in good shape and not stuck to the levers, but I've never seen these hoods for sale on eBay so I want to be careful.
@@johnplink It's a possibility. If they are old, they are more likely to tear. Probably safer to pull them off the back. I used alcohol, but water/dish soap might work well too to help them slide off.
@@RJTheBikeGuy The hoods are on Shimano Dura Ace BL-7402 brake levers, so I think they qualify as old. I'll warm them with water and maybe a hair dryer and attempt to remove them off the back after applying a little soap. Thank you.
hey RJ, I have a vintage bike with those extra handlebar brakes that attach to the levers and run along the bar. hard to explain. anyway, my question is, can I fit hoods over those? basically the whole inner side of the assembly is covered by the extra brake lever
You would need hoods made for those kind of brakes (with extension levers).
+RJ The Bike Guy ahh extension levers. thanks. any idea where to get those? or just Google it?
+RJ The Bike Guy ahh extension levers. thanks. any idea where to get those? or just Google it?
You need to research. Hoods are specific to brands/models of levers.
what percent of these bikes are you reselling?
+sonomama82 Most of them. I only keep the ones I really like.
Do you have to replace the brake cables as well?
You will have to remove them, so you might as well. They are wear part.
@@RJTheBikeGuy thanks RJ! Awesome that you still reply to comments on old videos. Love it!’
What is the blue tool called?? Also, are there versions of it where the blue thing is moldable?
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QSXPL2/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
@@RJTheBikeGuy Haha thanks I saw the video dedicated to it right after posting this. Reviving a Schwinn World Sport from the 90s but headed to college so I'm a budget. I think I'll do without the magical blue hands and suck it up unless I start working on other bikes. Same thing for the dedicated grease pump.
Delicious
Is there a way to service these kind of brake levers?
They are just levers. Spray some lube in there. If they are broken, then replace them.
why did you route the brake cables over the handlebars?
Why did Trek do it? Go ask them and let me know what they say.
www.vintage-trek.com/images/trek/Trek3pg4.jpg
Hi, there. A question: what is the name of the piece that you put down in the minute 7 of the video? Thanks a lot!!!
At what exact point in the video? I am not seeing anything at 7:00 in the video that you might be referring to.
I am Spanish. But I understand, from minute 7:00 to 7:07 something like "there is a lever here that kind of releases the brakes. I want to go ahead and have this down so that is pulling the cable tight".
In the minute 10:39: "put this part down here". The black part that you put down.
Thanks!
It's a lever that releases the brakes. With fatter tires, you often can't remove the wheel through the brakes. So you flip the lever which loosens the brakes and you can pull the wheel off.
OK, thanks a lot, RJ. Congratulations for your channel. It is really helpful.
Regards from Barcelona.
How do I get the brake cable out if I don't want to cut / replace it?
I have Shimano Dura-Ace 7400s. I need to replace the hoods, but don't need vintage pieces. Whatever fits. Any recommendations?
I am guessing you should probably replace your cables then.
@@RJTheBikeGuy the cables are relatively new and in good condition.
Where do you get your cable housing/cables from?
Amazon.com.
your the best :)
Is it possible that the cable stop is too small for the end of the cable?? Mine keeps slipping!
+pstrand64 I am not quite sure what you are asking.
+RJ The Bike Guy You know what...I realized I cut the wrong end of the cable set that I bought. hahaha nevermind. Great video, thanks!
A video of how to buil a vintage bike!!!!!!!!!
what size is that bike if you would be willing to sell it I'd love to own I ride a 52cm
I don't remember, and it was sold long ago.
you are master
Will all non-zero brake hoods fit all non-aero brakes?
No.
@@RJTheBikeGuy aero* sorry. auto correct lpl
Still no.
@@RJTheBikeGuy yeah I figured it's just i wanted to correct myself lol. Thanks!
Is there any alternatives to rubbing alcohol? How bout WD-40?
no - they will be slipping easily with WD.
Sneaky k thanks
Just use plain tap water. Works for me.
Good idea, although it could trap water between the hood and caliper, some calipers have steel bodies, and it could rust... Use methylated spirit you can buy from a pharmacy, it's a clear purple color.
never had an issue with this method - if it can rust from some moisture (which evaporates anyway) then it will rust from rain soon enough...
Where to find them
+Burak Enginar You can get them on Amazon: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AO7N56?/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
how much did you pay for the trek?
+Adam Klein Like $15 I think at a Goodwill. I don't normally find that good of deals though.
if only i had watched this first i cut the wrong end off lol
You got a Trek bike at a thrift shop?! I'm shocked!
I have found a bunch of them.
@@RJTheBikeGuy I don't typically peruse thrift shops looking for old bikes. However, I did find an old Corso Special Valentino 10-speed with Campy derailleurs and hubs for $75.
Parece piel de pollo frito
When I could have like that bike men!?🤦
What took me so long??
Looks like a cooked marshmallow