Winter ride to the end of the cyclepath
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- [Ep. 1019] Cycle paths don't normally end in the Netherlands, but on this ride in 's-Hertogenbosch, from the city center to a new suburb called "Groote Wielen" in Rosmalen, we reach a point where both the city and the cycleway end. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.w...
That was anticlimactic. I hoped for at least the cycle path to end like it is in Poland. Clean cut off into either a field, ditch, mud/gravel pit, 6-line highway, or at least 20 cm high curb but here it just changed without interruptions into a nice, wide walk path which looks better than many cycle paths here. The title is a clickbait 😉
I would have thought the cycle path went right on
Ist in Deutschland auch nicht anders.....😢
Tak, bracie, kiedy oglądam filmiki z Holandii, jestem również zaskoczony wieloma rzeczmi!
In Romania the cycle path (besides being barely 1m wide) ends in a light pole or sometimes in a tree
What an amazing network of cycling paths!
Imagine living in the suburb and cycling on these quite peaceful bike lanes through the greenery in the morning when going to work in the city.
I live near the Netherlands but my country refuses to just do what works over there. If we are lucky we get another expensive "pilot project" once in a while that takes years and then gives us the same knowledge we already had.
It is the same in my country (maybe we live in the same). I never get why we dont copy what works best in other countrys. Maybe adapt it in a way that it fit to the local needs and go on. No need to invent the wheel over and over again.
@@EtecMax Exactly. So many resources and TIME are wasted because every village and city does their own projects and studies that have been done hundreds of times all over the world. So inefficient that I guess the reason is just unwillingness to actually take action and change something. I am talking about Germany btw
I don't want to spoil your fun but if you work in the city and you have to cycle to work in the morning rush hour, those bike lanes aren't very peaceful or quiet. They will be full of commuters and students.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 Okay but that's still peaceful and quiet, especially compared to cars in rush hour. At least that's what I have seen in videos from the Netherlands
@@papaya8634 Ok, compared to 10+ lane traffic jams I have seen in video's from less bicycle friendly countries I guess you're right.
Seeing your vids feels like they've calling out to me, telling me to come back to this great country
I get called a cyclepath. At least, I think that's what they're saying...
twisted cyclepath
Hahahaha, good one! ;-)
Reminds me of my time in the Netherlands where I just went out and about on my bike after I got done with school for the day. Hopefully I can go back someday.
every time I watch a new video on your channel, I get so jealous. I used to live in Karlsruhe, Germany, which is rated as one of the best cycling cities in Germany (alongside Münster) But it doesnt even come close to any dutch city. I rode my bike twice from NRW, Germany to Amsterdam and it is exactly like in you videos almost all the time. AHHHHHH
Well I remember in Karlsruhe you have the Tiergartenweg that lets you cycle over the zoo which was also nice!
@@majgloud6899 Thats right! And also in general the bike network in the city has massively improved over the last decade. But now I live in Dunkeldeutschland in Erfurt and the bike infra sucks here ☹️☹️
This surely brings back memories.
I notice these comments about scooters/moped under almost every video. Calling them dangerous and here we see people call riders out, hoping "the police crack down on them". Just looking at this video I only count 5. Five. That is all. And with 5 I'm even stretching it. Because at around 5m I can see one in the distance. It seems the "snor"-kind, the slower ones. Limited at 25kph. It seems hardly faster than Mark so seems legit. Then at around 7:50, close to a school I can see a red one. It seems the "brom"-kind and before we can get near it, it enters the road. Perfectly fine. No conflict again. At 10:10 we have a first "real encounter". It seems really slow (snor), again, no conflict, no big speed difference. At 12:50 Mark is passed by a snor-scooter. It barely get's past. Again, no problem whatsoever. At 17m Mark is passed by a brom-scooter. These are restricted at 45kph. And here outside 'city limits' they're allowed to go 40kph. My guess is they had the throttle pinned at 45. The rider passed by going into the other lane. You could wish for a bit more space and maybe a lift from the throttle. But in the end, still a non issue. No braking needed, no swerving or avoiding an accident. Really, nothing going on.
No 'police crackdown' is going to change any of these situations because they're all just fine and legal to say the least. Why not save the moaning for an actual situation? Maybe look at yourself for a second, why are you so overly sensitive to mopeds/scooters and projecting that onto the riders in the video? Obviously I grew up spending countless hours on a bicycle saddle. I also have had mopeds back in the day. I've been on 'both sides of the fence' if you could say such a thing. Let me tell you, the 'moped-situation' used to be way worse. And even then it was fine. You hear one, move over a bit, they get past, nothing happens. Live and let live. Maybe the hatred stems from those times? Still, I see absolutely nothing wrong in this video.
If I'd complain about something, then 14:22 shows a more pressing issue than mopeds. A completely silent fat bike. This one seems to go at the correct speed, but easily the same speed as the snor-scooters. But you can't hear them coming. Still nothing happened here. But these bikes are very popular and very easy to derestrict. Why not direct your hatred towards those and quit moaning about a moped here and there.
This is filmed mostly in the countryside. You don't see many mopeds. But in city centres you see them way more and they are very loud (louder than cars) and dangerously fast.
I am not Dutch, but I think that in the cycling community of the West, there are a number of people who simply hate noise at any level beyond what one might hear in campground. They do have some justification, but are absolutely intolerant of anyone else's tolerance for noise that differs from their own. They are the sonic equivalent of a BLM activist who encounters the statement "all lives matter."
@@delftfietserThe noise is indeed very bad, but a minor problem. My problem is the exhaust fumes, I have COPD and breathing while biking is a stretch, biking behind a moped is like gasping for air like a goldfish in a bowl of water. I have to stop cycling so I can breath normally before I can continue my journey. Until I get overtaken my the next moped and the cycle repeats itself.
@RealConstructor Disease is a difficult burden to bear. Everyone else seems strong, those who are not feel set aside. Majority and minority rights are thorny because everyone is differently abled, yet a culture needs rules that apply to all with few alternate options. Yet failure of strength happens to all eventually. I do wish you strength, and money for an e-bike.
@angardenflower9812
That is just factually incorrect. Go and find 's Hertogenbosch or Den Bosch on google maps and see it is a city and urban environment, this was not filmed in the countryside. Also, in the actual countryside (where I happen to live) there are MORE mopeds and scooters than in urban/city area's. It is the other way around. Add youths on some souped up electric fat bikes, Canta's, brommobielen and MMBS (go google those) and you might see why I'm baffled by the comments under this fine video. Why are people complaining on a video where nothing happened?
I commented on this video, where the very limited amount of scooters are all legal (as far as you can tell by eye and ear) and ridden reasonably. Still under this exact video I see people hating on scooters. I'm calling out those people that what they're doing reeks of virtue signalling and self entitlement. Some of the comments are even made by foreigners who'd risk their lives biking in between cars and trucks (meat grinders) in their own area. How can they be offended by a scooter here and there?
Thanks for the video! Beautiful scenery and weather!
I was surprised that 1. - in the Netherlands, there are not bicycle paths everywhere, 2.- on the bike paths passers-by, 3.- on the bike paths you can ride motorcycles.
It was nice that no foreign flags were encountered during the trip.
In Brussels the same video: 1 minute long ^^
insane bike infra as always!
I thought that if you leave the center northwards, you would eventually end up in Utrecht.
I was hoping that this video finally revealed a nice cycling route from Den Bosch to Utrecht.
Looks like a chilly morning there 🥶🥶🥶
Where’s the litter?? no Mountain Dew or Bo jangles trash on the roadside?
We return empty bottles and cans to the store. This way we get our deposit back
@@Eilt do you have to have everything nice?
There is plenty of littering. Try any off ramp of the motorway near any one of the popular fast food chains. People go through the drive-through, drive somewhere and when they slow down on the off ramp they dump everything out of their window. It's disgusting really. Don't think it''s perfect over here
I live in Germany 100 m from the "border" to Luxembourg. In Germany, there is a deposit system. In Luxembourg, there is not (or not one worth mentioning).
Every year, we clean the roads for litter, and all the cans we find are from Luxembourg. Beer cans and energy drinks, none of them bought in Germany where you pay 25 cents deposit, although in most cases beer and energy drinks are cheaper in Germany.
Another problem is McDonald's litter and similar takeaway litter, including coffee to go cups and lids. I don't know why customers think it is all right to dump it at the side of roads and bicycle paths. 😢
I watched quickly, there was only 1 red light you had to stop ?
And it had a cool countdown timer
what is that busstop at 14:45?!
Is it common for people to cycle-commute through the emptier spaces like at 18:30? Or is it seen more like a recreational path in an area like that?
That is very much a commuter path, built especially for the schools there. It also has street lights, that is usually what sets a commuter route apart from the recreational routes. That area will also be further developed. It won't stay this empty.
where ?
2:50 How close is the airfield that the airplane was taking off from?
That is most likely a militairy jet. The closest civilian airport to 's-Hertogenbosch is 18 miles away in Eindhoven and the closest militairy airport is 17 miles away in Volkel.
2:54 - a wielrenner!
2:56 Typical UK cyclist blazing past on road bike😃😃
well, he does go fast. If video shows around 20 kph then he's probably doing around 30 like cars. I have some sympathies towards road bikers when they go fast - roadbikes are rarely designed for that (eg. crossroads requiring low speeds and a lot of effort during later acceleration) and cars probably shouldn't go any faster anyway.
I thought you cycle to the german border…
Can't help but notice while the cycling infrastructure is indeed fantastic and efficient, I see a notable lack of pedestrian-oriented infrastructure. Pedestrian footpaths are often disconnected and are not equal to the efficiency of the cycling network. Their routes are often less direct as pedestrians are left to use footpaths on one side of the road or often share the cyclepath with cyclists. This was even the case in some of the neighbourhood streets. This creates awkward and unpleasant situations where a footpath ends or continues into a designated cyclepath. Since cyclepaths are designed for non-foot transport, cyclepaths suddenly becoming multi-use paths for discontinuous stretches can feel like a hostile environment for pedestrians and can be uncomfortable. The attention to cyclist safety has been amazing however, there needs to be the same level of commitment for pedestrians as well. Otherwise, great, calm video, always love watching these!
You are looking at a video about the cycling network, that gives you little information about the walking network, because that is as separate from the cycling network as the cycling network is from the car network. They do overlap at points, but they are also often at completely different locations. Also, all cycle paths in the Netherlands are multi-use paths, unless there is separate pedestrian space. To the Dutch it is very normal and natural that people walk on the paths whenever there is no separate pedestrian space.
Leuke video weer. Maar ik zie je dezelfde irritante fout maken die heel veel fietsers maken: je steekt nergens je hand uit als je links- of rechtsaf slaat! Slecht voorbeeld...
Nice video again. But I see you making the same annoying mistake many cyclists make: you never put your hand out when turning left or right! Setting a bad example...
I see the greatest civilization
Let's not get carried away..
LOL@@bas4627
As always, so jealous! As always, the gas mopeds are awful. Thanks for everything.
It's so satisfying to watch this smooth asphalt everywhere. But why does it keep changing from red to black, especially in the second part of the video in the newer areas?
Great video btw! Lucky you got a chance to film on one of these rare sunny days.
Because red asphalt is more expensive. The red asphalt is ment to indicate you are on a cyclepath. If you are on a separated cyclepath it is quite clear that is a cyclepath, so no red needed. However when you cross with other roads it is good for all users to indicate the cyclepath with the red color.
Always fun to see you filming my hometown, and I always look whether you passed me or someone I know. Still no luck 😢😂
This is normal to us.... but looking through your eyes it's easy to see the point in providing ubiquitous bike paths and removing conflict. It just works better for everyone
12:52 - Ain't that what NJB's kids call "farty-cycles"? 🤔
"fat bikes", because of the tyres, (E bike), terrible bikes.
I think I’m going to use that word from now on.
Bromfietsen are fartbikes
And fatbikes are nepbrommers.
Nope, still hate those mopeds on the cycle path. If only the police would check their legality of them. It really isn't safe at 65 kph... let alone it isn't allowed to up the to that level. 45 kph should be max but the majority...
I think they're supposed to be limited to something like 30kph by law but people remove the limiters. They're kind of the lifted pickup truck of the bike paths...
The Police recently received a new tool for testing the max speed of scooters so hopefully they'll crack down on them soon.
like the guys from @17:04 , yellow number and pass you with high speed...
The scooters on the path seems a little dangerous.
Great video, especially the new Urban area. I live in Amersfoort, and also here the new area’s connect to old town are build to support biking instead of car driving. The main purpose is that bike is faster then the car to stimulate bicycling. Then urban planners can justify the additional investments in this intrastructure, maybe example for the rest of Europe!
In many ways, it reminds me of my old hometown Odense in Denmark. Since the fifties there was bicycle paths along the major roads outside the city centre, and in the seventies and eighties, a lot of bicycle infrastructure was built, but compared to most towns and cities in the Netherlands most of the projects now seems half-hearted. In the last 20 years, there has been a much bigger focus on bicycle infrastructure, and as for the major Danish cities, the development goes in the right direction.
Still, if you leave the outskirts of the cities in Denmark, I am not impressed. The Netherlands are way in front here.
I am now living in Germany, and for most towns and cities, the development of the bicycle infrastructure is lacking, and a totally new focus away from cars is needed. Not in the next 20 years will we come near the well thought system we see in this video. The car lobby is way too strong, and the ministers still look like marionettes for their agenda 😢
Suburbia as hellisih as anywhere else. But with cycling infrastructure.
A interesting thing to take note of is that even though there is quite some activity going on with cyclists, pedestrians, and motorized vehicles, there is only 1 time at 10:16 where our cycling friend had to actually completely stop during his 25min ride. Ok, he did get lucky at some traffic lights but even then it shows how smooth traffic flow in general is here. The experience in general is the same for about any form of transportation be it bike, bus, train, walking, or car. Of-course there are things like rush hour which clog up roads around busy hubs but usually outside of that it's smooth sailing no matter the type of transportation.
That was not "lucky". I use an app to let the traffic lights know I'm coming and when possible they turn to green before I reach them. That one time it was apparently not possible in the cycle to give me green, but the wait was not very long either.
Couple of questions:
1. Why is the bike path red? Does it have any benefits?
2. Is it regular asphalt or is it a special kind?
3. How do they solve the electrical cables situation? Asking because it looks clean and not like any other places.
1. So it stands out as cycling space.
2. It's ordinary asphalt, but with red paint mixed in.
3. Organizations wanting to dig up the path for pipes or cables must repair them afterwards, and they need to coordinate in advance with other organizations who may want to do so in the foreseeable future so that different tasks can be completed simultaneously.
@@BicycleDutch absolute unit, 💪🏻! Appreciate the information, king, 😘. Keep on keeping on.
41 jaar geleden voor het laatst in Den Bosch geweest. Mooi park langs de Monseigneur Diepenstraat.
Mooie video, en voor de rest van de wereld een mooi voorbeeld van 'fly overs' voor fietsers.
Is Rosmalen part of the city/gemeente Den Bosch ?
The new suburb Groote Wielen is next to the river Maas. Doesn't it have flood risk, issues to keep dry feet ? Because south of the old centre there is the Bossche Broek plain which already serves as a water overflow area. Let alone this new suburb to have problems with water ...
Yes, Rosmalen has been part of the municipality of 's-Hertogenbosch since the 1990s. Not much flood risk. Water management is very well developed here.
to be continued
If I should look for one hair in this beautiful soup, it is the lack of signs. If you don't use a route plan or if you don't already know where you should go, you are lost. This is a problem everywhere and obviously in the Netherlands, too. Very often, you can read the names of roads if you go by car, but people on bicycles, they must know in advance where they are and which direction to take.
True, the signs that are there only show city names. Once you need to find something in a city, you need to use Google maps or something. But tbh, who doesn't have GPS these days? I wouldn't be surprised if the signs will get removed in the near future.
There is this new invention to help solve that problem. It's called GPS navigation. Most people have it on their phone these days.
Even if you'd put up loads of signs, people would still use Google Maps because it's easier.
there are plenty of signs to find.
- we have a "knooppunt" network: it consist of big maps along the cycle paths and small white/green signs with a number on it. you can map out a route online or at one of those map signs, and ten you just have to follow the white/green signs with the numbers that take you along the route you chose. but those are for more recreational routes, like a nice route trough nature. (this is nation wide)
- we also have white/red signs that show you where you need to go if you want to visit another town or village in the neighbourhood. (just like the white/blue signs for the cars)
- and we have signs of the city itself, those often indicate the location of "important' places in the city itself.
for example: city hall, the market square or library
but if you need to go to the mall or someone's house you need to plan your route or use GPS (or an old school map).
and that's totally fine, most of the people that need this detailed kind of directions are locals, so they know the city already.
A deadcyclingpath.
Strange to see no walkpath from 12:42. 1) clearly needed next to green park as woman + dog shows 12:46 and 2) You must walk on the cycleroute to get to the busstop at 12:57 !!. Somebody does not know how to use a footpath when there is one at 14:18 ... There is really missing something when you see people walking on the cycleroute Noordervliet. No visual signs at the crossing at 18:55. The car stopped but will they always? (compare to 19:57) A bit expensive looking free-crosssing at 19:45 but with a very steep hill for the bikes. Lowering the road would be better. Another designfault at 20:26 (nice name for that road btw 🙂 ) In housing areas there should ALWAYS be a footpath next to a cyclingroute (21:38 + 21:48 again. If there is room, why not? People love to walk, not only with a dog). A big wide road/cycly crossing at 20:53 but how do pedestrians use it??
(I live in Utrecht, 60 and no car license, so I know a bit about cycling. We are on the right track but still make mistakes as you can see)
The footpath runs in front of those houses on the left and there is clearly a path connecting directly to the bus stop.
"No visual signs at the crossing at 18:55. The car stopped but will they always?"
No need for shark teeth, etc. there. The curb extends across the place where the car was coming from, indicating that it is an "uitrit", and thus the car needs to give way.
I thought this would be a fall at least. But nope, just a smooth ride xD