'That's an absolutely ABHORRENT accusation!' | Panel CLASH over symbolism of 'progress' pride flag
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- 'It's ironic that this is called the progress pride flag when actually it's a symbol of regression.'
Social Commentator and Writer, James Esses, challenges Peter Tatchell's views on the symbolism of the 'progress' pride flag.
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I'm a middle-aged gay man who has no time for all this alphabet nonsense, and trans and woke ideologies. I do not believe in a pride month, do not want to see pride flags flown and painted everywhere, and think this new, progressive flag is ridiculous. I respect the right for people to be themselves but reject the politicizing of these movements, and condemnation and cancel culture against those who want no truck with them. Guess l'm the wrong sort of gay these days - a conservative one.
bot just that they are collaborating with islamists
Great comment
Well said, I agree totally and I've always considered myself far more liberal than conservative.
Im gay & i agree with u.
Gay man here and with you on this!
That flag is a flag of division, not union.
@@johnkitching2248 An English flag is for every English person. A Pride flag is for those that are "oppressed" by what is NOT on the flag, i.e if you are gay, you are oppressed by the straight, if you are black you are oppressed by the white, etc. It pits one against another, as if to say a straight white man oppresses gays, blacks and women. That is ignorant to what is actually the cause of oppression, the cause is discrimination of any kind. Equality is fairness for ALL people, the pride flag is for some, not all. You can't solve discrimination with further discrimination, only by understanding that everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual preference etc is capable of being ignorant to what makes us equal, that we are all human, and that isn't what's represented with the pride flag, the flag is not for all humans and that's why it's divisive. Simple really.
@@johnkitching2248English flag includes every English person regardless of sexier sexuality, or indeed any person who has pride in their national. The Pride flag only includes LGBTQ and excludes literally everyone else.
@@johnkitching2248 Countries have borders, within those borders exists cultures. Culture is not discriminatory, it's just a way of life to be celebrated as with all ways of life. Everyone has the right to be proud of their way of life, as long as it doesn't seek to destroy others. English people do not seek to destroy others, it's not inherent to what makes someone English. A Pride flag suggests "We're the victims, the good guys, those that are not us are problematic", it is a critique, hence why any time there's a new movement, i.e trans, blm etc, they're added to the flag but their "opposite" never will be, the opposite is inherently seen as evil which is itself ignorant, and ignorance breeds hate.
And at the crux of it, it's a flag about sex and sexual relationships. Long gone are the days of discretion and private life alas. Now everyone wants to shove their sexual preferences in everyones faces, especially those of the children. It's disgusting.
@@CKarmorr Professional victims.
Regressive not progressive.
Absolutely
Perverted not progressive
The Frankfurt School.
Gender movement is old school homophobia!
I'm sick of these flags
I see what you did there 😄
It does indeed look like a military flag. A bit like the hitler take over on the continent.
A disgusting flag that should not allowed to be displayed in public areas.
I feel like its that scene from that horror film with the two picks in our eyes, "you will look at the flag and you will like it"
Knobhead.
Suella is right and 98% of the people of this country think the same.
Can you furnish me with any poll or facts to back that up? Or just an opinion
@@daveday6728lets just say most of the country would agree with her…FACT
@deano007 Again unless you can furnish fact or a poll. You must remember GB news is a piddling channel filled with bile. All the rats together
I don't think you understand what "%" means
@@user-bf2gt2tf2x tell that to the violent trans activists violently attacking and abusing real women for speaking out about their rights.
I agree with Suella. 🎉
Good. Shows you haven't been brainwashed.
@@Richard-Cashisking? You have 'MAP's in your little, woke delusion collective. You willingly wanted that, you weren't brainwashed, right?
It seems like Peter Thatchell sees some people's human rights as being more important than tye human rights of others. Using the neo-Nazi trope on those he doesn't agree with is pathetically impotent. Thatchell is lost in his own ideological twlight zone.
No he’s sees only men and their rights . TW are men and women don’t want them in our SSS but our feelings don’t matter
Normal humans agree with Suella
Shame there aren't any on GBNews
@@samueldesmond440says a guy who uses his wife as a profile picture.
Many gay people do too.
@@fazertace6837 Say the person using a factional character as theirs.
@@fazertace6837🤣🤣🤣
Tatchel should be ashamed of himself for putting gay and lesbian children at risk.
No shame and he changed the subject as soon as he could
Agreed.
Yep, dirty old man.
He's had no shame for his whole career. It's his job to seek attention.
There are no gay children. Anyone who says so is a groomer.
Tell Peter to stop being so pathetic. It’s a flag ffs. It doesn’t change what or who he is. My son is gay, just wants a quiet normal life like everyone else. He doesn’t need a flag flying to represent him or as a badge of honour.
Exactly. Your son us a decent type + very sensible.
This all gets silly.
I agree with her. Time for all this garbage to stop.
Not with Liebour in charge.
It actually makes no sense either. Why are political parties promoting the unscientific and quite frankly crazy ideas of about 1% of the nation?
I'm with Suella. I feel alienated by that flag.
Get this disgusting flag out of politics ,it's divisive nothing else
Intentionally. Heterophobic; absolute hatred of heterosexuals.
@@GaryTaylor-gp2qc people who are flying it are doing so to promote equality. The division comes when people who see it think it means something more than that
@@peterjermey7235 maybe , but it's become a stuck record that plays the same tune over and over and over and over be warned people are getting annoyed now
@@GaryTaylor-gp2qc government should not be entertainment. I'm sure it's very boring to hear about hate crimes and conversion therapy, but be glad it isn't happening to you
@@peterjermey7235 but it is , i'm a british white bloke lowest of the low apparently , so stick yer victimhood where the sun doesnt shine because i can tell you the majority have had enough , and if the gay etc community don't put a sock in it, the public will turn nasty
No, she did not go too far!
Tatchell is wrong - celebrating "communities" is celebrating social division.
I'm with Suella, Peter Tetchell has some very dodgy thoughts
He is a very dodgy man.🤔🤔🤔😜👍
He’s said 9 year olds can have healthy sexual relationships with adults if society stopped shaming them. He should never be allowed children.
@@robynthomason949and it’s to GB News’ shame that they keep rolling the old creep out
Agree with you, there are a few on here with similar views.
He wanted to lower the age of consent. Absolutely disgusting.
WE DONT NEED A PRIDE FLAG WE ALREADY HAVE AN INCLUSIVE FLAG ITS CALLED THE UNION JACK 🇬🇧
Suella didnt go far enough , i now hate the word pride .
I can't imagine how insecure you must be to feel hatred towards a word.
@@samueldesmond440 Pride is one of the many "evil things that come from within and defile the man". Mark 7:22-23
@@samueldesmond440 it’s not the word it’s the ideology behind the word . There’s nothing prideful about telling the world who you have sex with or that you think there are men can transform to women 😂
@@samueldesmond440Pride, and all it stands for, is an abomination. ...( just like Tatchell here ) . ' insecure ' is the dumbest word in this context and means nothing . God help you demons when you finally stand before him ...and your atheism won't save you either
@@samueldesmond440Hatred towards perverts who are pushing for MAP tolerance. And don't you deny it.
She’s totally right. Why is this flag needed? A celebration of all things ‘not straight’? Why can’t straightness be celebrated with a flag too?
It can if you want but it seems like straight people can't be bothered.
What made me laugh is when he said the flag has now been adapted to include black and brown people as if there wasn’t any gay ones before and it was exclusively for white people.
Shows how he thinks
@@TayWoodeYep, that was clearly the moment the flag manufacturers went too far with their Rainbow v3.0 offering. 😅
As if not straight could continue the human race. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TayWoodeIt also means it's not 'inclusive' as it ignores white and 'yellow' people. Where's their stripes?
Also, they just have no taste - it's ugly, both to look at and in what it represents (division and 'identity' politics).
Tatchell has made a good living off the backs of gay people, now they have equal rights, instead of retiring himself, he has to push the envelope. It's terrible when charities achieve their goals!
If the flag is inclusive what part represents straight white people.
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We’re not on there…..THANK GOODNESS! 😂
The lines 😅
Unlike the rainbow flag, the progress pride flag - in representing the TQ+ - is probably more representative of straight people than of homosexual people.
It represents the exclusion (& hatred) of straight white people .
Shes dead right Someone has to stand up for the children WELL SAID
Excellent Suella!! It ain’t our flag!! Dump this rubbish 👍
Peter Tatchell is an absolute disgrace
I agree why does GB News constantly get him on, they seriously need to stop allowing him to come on. Tatchell gives me the creeps, this is coming from someone who's Straight, and Heterosexual, he looks Ghoulish, he's the type of person who would defend Paedophiles 🤮 😡😒, whenever Tatchell's on GB News I absolutely get nervous and my stomach turns
He's into twinks. That's a thing in their community
Unfortunately, his Stonewall organization has infiltrated every government department. NHS, Education, Civil Service and others. They are falling over themselves to implement their perverse ideology
Peter Tatchell is a lot of other things as well.
But he was very respectful and coherent even though some of his opinions would lead to some very strange things. I feel like he is at least someone who can hold a conversation with on the issues and discuss like sane people.
The so-called 'progress' flag is utterly divisive and should not be displayed on any public building!
She’s right, but she’s the one of the few who are brave enough to say it, although many think it.
Same with the other speech. The uncomfortable truths need to be said, whether people want to hear them or not
She's a culture war grifter getting triggered over seeing a rainbow flag.
@@martynblackburn9632Exactly
@@martynblackburn9632 You would say that as like Tatchell you want the age of consent lowered so you can legally get your hands on them.
@martynblackburn9632 she may be that, but so are those who promote the opposing side of this "culture war" - which include this flag.
We dont need 'communities!' We never used to be divided in this way
We had communities in the past, didn't we?
Now we are divided and it's only going to get worse
Certainly not in the way they are now. We're so polarised
That is Global government, end of Nations.
@@DilbertWhitehead Because of the rise of culture war Toryism and far right populism.
That flag is divisive and oppressive.
It is, the police have gone from, arresting homosexuals to arresting people that don't agree with homosexuals in like 30 years. From one extreme to the next.
Literally divisive, by not including everyone under it, and dividing those on it into unequal parts.
I’m gay and I can tell you , there is NO SUCH THING as a ‘GAY COMMUNITY’ .
Have you listened to Radio 2 recently. Gaydio 2.
Mate, I don’t think of LGB people as all represented under that horrible flag. I know enough gay people to know that. My own mother in law is a lesbian (thank goodness she dabbled beforehand, and had my husband lol) and I grew up living next door to a fabulous drag queen, who wouldn’t even let us see him in drag, let alone want us to sit with him in drag and read books. Gay is not new. My old grandad said this. And, he’s been dead 30 years! I don’t judge anyone by this whole “gay community” thing.
Well said. It is so patronising.
Exactly 👍 just like there is NO such thing as a straight community !!!
These progressive A holes 🕳️ have instigated ideologies that single out and castigate instead of encouraging people to maintain their personal space, integrity and just get on with their lives in a personal and respectful manner !!
There used to be a sort of co-op between gays and lesbians and that worked well enough .
No pride flag in muslim communities!
It's the pretending to care flag.
It’s authoritarian. You watch, this will one day be the world Government flag that’s coming. Tyranny, but on a global scale.
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Actually it more like a bullying flag.
Braverman did NOT go too far in condemning the Progress Flag or its ideological meaning ... Not to be confused with the Rainbow flag 🌈
Why do people need a flag because they sleep with the same sex? I don’t care, and no one else cares either. A flag for who you sleep with in the privacy of your own home? WHAT IS THAT?
The RainBow is GOD'S Not the Sodomites
Wouldn't let Tatchell within 50 miles of my kids
The progressive flag representing the intolerant alphabet squad.
Just remember it's the ideological bloc. It's not traditional LGB people, like me, who don't wish to be associated with the T+.
I denounce the regressive and harmful behaviours of the LGBTQblah+ political bloc.
@@AndrooUK y It’s a shame the whole thing has been hijacked and politisced a bit like everything else today.
I dislike that flag immensely! It’s divisive, and it’s not needed.
And it's ugly.
Why is Suella Braverman STILL wasting her time in the Conservative Party? And how does Peter Tatchell actually make a living? I've been wondering about that for years.
Suella is correct 💯
I always laugh out loud when the Nazis are used to bully the political right. The Nazis were national socialists - i.e. far-left.
I think you misheard, he said neo-nazis, who are far right.
@@samueldesmond440 neo Nazis are socialist and follow socialist principles
Yes the communists have always tried to keep an arms length away from their Socialist cousins for good reason as National Socialism has been tarred with the evil brush like no other genocidal group in history, but if you read Mein Kampf, you will find that much of the economic theory comes from the Communist Manifesto. NAZISM is very much left wing
No, they weren't. It was like men calling themselves women. There was nothing socialist about the Nazis in Germany. They thought they did the right thing in killing the Jews as well. So I don't think you would take them at their word.
@@samueldesmond440there's always a way to twist it to the right.
Not having it
The Pride or Progress flag has no business being flown on civic or government buildings. The people it doesn't include are ones they term Cis, so not it's divisive and faux-inclusionary.
That term was mad eup by them, to throw at people they disagree with, so it's a slur and nothing more.
It's no different to trigger and the likes, and I respond in the same way they do when they hear someone say trigger
I always get annoyed when these people talk about their Human rights.
They aren't interested in that, they want special rights, elevated above everyone else. They want immunities that noone else has and protections that noone else has.
Inclusive for everyone?. If i walk into a hospital for example, i'm not bowing to the ideology flag. It doesn't represent me. What the hell is a flag doing in hospitals anyway?!.
Cultural dominance.
I’m gay and I think it’s horrible. It no longer represents me or my interests.
Can't they just grow up ? You have your rights now stop bullying people into doing what you want !
Is there a flag for straight, biological, female and male common sense people?
Or just common sense people.
You should create one.
Tatchel would expect that flag to include the Nazi symbol somewhere on it. ............
The flag of the Kingdom of Jerusalem
🇬🇧
The Pride flag should NEVER be flown by any government institution. And why do we still have Pride marches etc? We now all have the same rights and opportunities…time to abandon Pride.
Thank god she had the courage to speak the truth.
The progress rainbow flag will be remembered as the swastika of the 21st century.
Well Said
Don't want to see any of these flags on government buildings.
95% of the people I know are sick of the pride stuff. People don't want it forced on them.
I agree with suella .im sick to death of seeing it ,its an absolute disgrace what these pathetic politicians ha e done to this country
Tatchell goes straight to the default position of 70s and 80s lefties. He accuses people who oppose him politically and ideologically of being far right in an attempt to put them beyond the pale. It may have worked when his opponents were less informed than James Esses but not now. Tatchell also tries to make out that disagreeing with trans ideology is also to dismiss the rights of same sex attracted people - it is not. Though he has to roll back on that when Patrick Christys challenges him.
She is Spot on so sick of this delusional load of s***
You dont celebrate family or Christian values
Well, not everyone is a Christian. Britain is mostly full of Atheists and Muslims now.
Remember , all this comes from the government, gay people did not put the flags up in regent street and government buildings , the government have an agenda to promote this ,
Why are we celebrating a sexual preference, what happened to it being private.
It's not about diversity it's about division.
Also about privilege.
Suella 100% right. Just creating devision and hate 😢. They no not what they do.
....sadly they serve the Devil like the elites.
PETER look through the comments. 😅😅 NO ONE agrees with you.
The modern day swastika.
The LAST thing that flag represents is progression. It represents the most regressive ideology that has happened in recent history.
Peter Tatchell has gone from being a campaigner for gay rights to becoming a soundbite for depravity. He's lost the plot
100% with Suella on this .The very sight of the vile (bullying) flag makes my stomach turn , & I say this as a gay man of many decades standing .
He should be locked up for the safety of children . He campaigned for the legal age for gay sex to be dropped to 10 yrs old . He's a very sick individual
He's beyond sick, he is demonic
Suella is right.
Tatchell doesn't care about children or women.
These trends are mentally damaging our young people
I'm lucky to not have to see any of these poxy flags during June, never mind atop a government building.
I'm very happy to live in Bulgaria instead of DEI-occupied Britain.
It's a shame one has to go so far to get away from all this.
Sofia pride, you do have EU DEI.
I'm in Canada and went to our government funded national postal service yesterday. First thing I see is an employee wearing a massive pride flag with all these extra colors on her employee T-shirt. Our government run institutions allow pride symbols on their bloody uniforms. The other two employees were temporary foreign workers despite thousands of Canadians being unable to find jobs now. Canada is not far behind Britain
I'm in the redneck, cowboy American West. Thankfully, no pride displays or parades here.
@@kitcat4512 Pride isn't DEI. It's where some of this nonsense starts, though.
The more I hear Suella speak, the more I like her.
I bet the Muslims are so proud of that flag seeing as they're included on it 😅😂😂😂 i expect he will be getting a invite to a rooftop coming out party real soon 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No.that flag is the new fascist flag
Absolutely disgusting flag, needs to be removed from everywhere!
It is not just abhorrent, it is down right sick.
It’s a confusing time when the politicians who seem to have the backs of LGB people are women of colour Braverman and Badenoch, and they are Conservative MPs. I’m glad they kept their seats.
Suella was right on the money 100% It reminds me of Germany in the 1930s.
Every word she said was correct….I agree 100%
Nobody asked for this flag yet we got it anyway.
Regardless if she were 'right' or 'wrong', she was ENTITLED to her opinion!
STOP sexualising CHILDREN!
I'm aged 87, and I feel like I've been transported to clown-land. I'm sure that our new PM (Sir Galahad Starmer) will ride to our rescue (flying the English flag) and sort it all out.
Don't hold your breath
@@normanroscatha2753 Trust me, I won't.
I wouldn't bet on it.
That sounds like a sarcasm about a man who couldn't define what a woman is
@@barriewilliams4526 my fathers 97.....you can imagine how he feels.
Suella is spot on, that flag is disgusting
Suella was spot on
Totally agree, sick of this pandering
Is there any colour or part of that flag to celebrate white heterosexual men?......If not, how can it be described as "inclusive"?
The majority of the TQ+ are heterosexual men.
There’s only one flag that unites a nation under which everyone can stand and that’s the national flag of this country. Anything else is divisive.
Maybe that’s the intention 🤔
It's aesthetically vomitous.
But what about my "straight heterosexual" rights that are constantly trampled allover in favour of whatever letter you want to identify as today.
Peter Tatchell is insufferable
If 90% don't agree with Peter the iffy... Maybe he should rethink.
Well tatchell said it 'most people in British society accept LGBT people', no need for a flag then is there.
That guy is DANGEROUS
You mean that SICK Pervert PT!!
No she did not go too far!!!
PT is an absolute wrong un .
Ask Peter T. what his opinion on the M-A-P community is. Hint: it's got nothing to do with cartography.
@simonmuhamed1071. Also his involvement with PIE and his proposal to lower the age of consent to a single figure.
@@wallacewhybrow2705and what the baby pink and baby blue in the flag stands for according to the fbi.
Thought: where does it actually include WHITE people? He said black for ethnic communities and black people. Where is the bit that represents white people??
Suella was just about being correct. However, i want to know housing, economic crisis, and so on. it's all fine on her constituency.
Suella Braverman did not go far enough. i have also noted the flag includes everyone except white straight people. how very inclusive and tolerant and progressive of them. #FOpetertatchell
Tatchell wheels out the same drivel every time I hear him speak
What these fools fail to realize is not that ‘Trans rights are Human rights’ but that Human rights are already Trans rights
Tedious
The lack of empathy for these children that Peter displays is staggering, how do you put an ideology before child mutilation..??
Tatchell is a demon in human form, always has been
How many days does the rainbow mafia get to be celebrated each year? More than mothers, fathers and veterans by a massive ratio.
What sort of sick people could put this into schools....