I was looking at how Geoff's left shoulder when he was seated was over the centre seat. Two "Geoffs" on seats 1 & 3 would not leave any practical or useable space on the centre seat. But hey, it makes for good statistics for Greater Anglia. I wouldn't be surprised if they included the toilet in the seating statistics. I still think SWT 455 modernisation and seating layout showed how it could and should be done with 2 + 2 seating.
As an extension to the (gist) "More seats overall by eliminating First Class"...I wonder if there's a limit to that survey result as to 'where the extra seating manifests'. I suspect given the option, even those surveyed and answered for more seating, 2+2 seating with some standing would be the preferred option? I know I'd rather stand than be shoehorned into those tiny seats, and I'm slim!
If I understand correctly from video they are reducing from 12 cars (3x4) to 10 cars (2x5) which presumably is why high density (e.g. cramped) seating being used so the TOC can claim extra seating capacity created.
I've commuted in to Liverpool Street for the last 20 years and, apart from a couple of months when the old slam-door trains had a last hurrah, the seating has always been 3+2. So for me there hasn't been a difference. It'll be interesting to see if passenger numbers return to pre-pandemic levels, because at the moment I often have three seats to myself in the morning "rush hour".
The corridor between seating really does seem tight. It seems to me like they wanted to fit as many seats as possible. The power plugs are also awkwardly put exactly where you would put your leg. And it’s a shame, because it’s a beautiful beast of a train.
Yeah I wouldn't recommend 3+2... The old Class 360s, which EMR will be inheriting, were previously used as 3+2s, though EMR will give them a full refurbishment including changing the seating to 2+2. IMO, 2+2 is th minimum acceptable seating - especially when operators like EMR have 1st Class seating which is 2+1.
Lovely, Geoff. I must revisit Sarfend! Never mind about the elbow test - I’m more aghast that a video about a 720 lasts for 7:19. Thought you might have edited in an extra second! 😂🤣😂
The seats look tight, even for pre-covid conditions. If you take a survey of course most people would say to get rid of first class since the majority don't use first class. Having said that, first class probably doesn't make economic sense for the operator. Also, when people say they want more seats I don't think they realize what that would mean. Do people like the middle seat on airplanes?
@@thelastpilot4582 Look at Geoff in the seat, he's encroaching on the centre seat. Imagine three Geoffs in a row. Geoff 3 by the aisle would be lucky to have one cheek on the seat. On most trains the centre seat ends up being the handbag or rucksack seat. It's a terrible design. 2 + 2 is the better design. But, 3 + 2 makes for good statistics doesn't it.
Yes, why not have a longer train with 2+2 seating and decent legroom. The great shame is that we cannot have double deck trains which would have solved the problem. Underfloor heating is impressive. 😏
A point I've seen raised on Twitter is that the new Stadler trains (745s and 755s) have low floors which allow level boarding at stations with standard-height platforms. The 720s look excellent, but it's sad that Greater Anglia has chosen high-floor trains where wheelchair users will need to wait for a ramp, when they already have such excellent low-floor trains...
I think the below seat power plugs should have been installed the opposite way (so they would look upside down) as any cable would then be straight up from the plug and not having a curl on it, which could get in someone’s way and also become damaged.
At least here in NorthAm, the coach width is considerably wider! Imagine that 2+3 on a subway train. (UK mainline coach width is less than most North Am subway cars)
I can't understand why they can't have put in a small table in the bays of 6 to rest a drink or a book etc. The Class 365's had these when they were first introduced so not sure why this feature is thought of as un-important nowadays. A backwards step in my opinion.
Unfortunately the franchise agreement insisted on more seats. Hopefully the Government will reconsider. The seating is modular so easily changed. They are remiving some now.
The seats are god awful on all the new GA stock. Have to roll up my jacket for some lumbar support. The armrest is pitiful too compared to the old ones
Ironing board seats, stupidly narrow seats that cannot fit five people in a row, the three seats together mean one is squashed and only for people with no arms. The Greater Anglia passenger survey questions were the most biased I have ever known in any questionnaire! No fresh air either
Nice trains. It seems a sad inconsistency of accessibility and inclusivity point though - especially for those who don’t appreciate and understand rolling stock procurement - for the customer experience, that compared with the FLIRTSs, these brand new shiny trains, are still stuck with steps and without level access. Truly hope for everyone’s sake, that more manufacturers will factor that feature into future designs.
Hi Geoff, I was on the very first one of these in service and had a chat with the manager of bombardier, manager of GA and the manager of the Southend Victoria line, Alan Whyld. Very enjoyable video, I have to admit its quite tight inbetween the seats in the walkway down the middle but they are nice and cosy. The elbow thing is very important and I did it myself and was very satisfied and nearly missed my stop because I nearly fell asleep with my arm in that position
Why the awful 3 + 2 seating?? Geoff's not a big overweight man, yet even he more than filled his seat plus was partly over the centre seat. Certainly couldn't get three 5'10" plus men sitting 3 abreast. Still, cramming as many seats in as possible looks good on the statistics table. It's a shame they don't have a comfort statistic.
Unfortunately it was a requirement ti win the franchise. They are taking some seats out. Btw there is a set of 2-2's if you're first in make a B line for them. Best seats. Where first class used to be.
They say "state of the art" features, I say the absolute cheapest basics you'd expect on a new train. And I guess they went with underfloor heating at the expense of level boarding, because people in wheelchairs and even those with buggys really don't matter to Greater Anglia. Really wish you had asked about level boarding Geoff.
re: 5:44 ME: "Will the gentleman from RUclips commit to conducting the Fist of Quality test on every review of new or refurbished stock?" GM (anticipated): (...and wondering what life would be like if Roger had never done that FoQ thing) 🙄 ME: (anticipated) "Pretty please?"
Come on Geoff, keep up. The Elizabeth line ( 6 syllables)operates from Shenfield to L'pool Str. They call it Crossrail ( 2 syllables) for the time being and in future -- 6 syllables v. 2 . Three seats across is OK for kids and teenagers as Ian Walmsley has explained in Modern Rail under an article in "Pan Up" about manspreading.
I love democracy and passenger surveys. Asked whether they wanted to keep 1st Class, 99% of those who can afford 1st Class said 'yes', 99% of those who can't afford 1st Class said 'No'. And because the passengers numbers are split 95% 2nd Class/5% 1st Class, 1st Class was removed.
Can't beat the Class 313's on our South East Coast route. We have no toilets, no air conditioning, no USB sockets but we do have water filled double glazing which is interesting to watch when the trains accelerate and brake. And we have one in original 1970's BR Livery www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/br-blue-repaint-for-pioneer-class-313
A minor correction: South Western Class 701s come in two variants: 701/0 are TEN carriage units, and 701/5 are five carriage. Also the CrossPurpEliz line trains are, at least now, in both 9 and 7 car versions.
I got on one for the first time today and I'm disappointed to say, the seating arrangement has been very poorly thought out. I'm not particularly a wide person, nor am I big in stature, but walking through those 2 by 3 aisles was a very, very horrible experience. I had to shimmy myself sideways in order to get through. Definitely not good for the big/wider people. I'm surprised that this template was actually was signed-off without much careful thought.
Agree I am over 6ft and felt cramped, minimal leg room and very unpleasant sat next to another person - definitely won’t be using Greater Anglia unless I have no alternative
Great "edutainment" in 3-2-1 Geoff-style! Big Thank You 🙂 We will come to the conclusion that "bigger trains" = "more space" = "safer to travel on". Congrats Bombardier!
@@Andrewjg_89 & @True Blue Small world, I'm from Ashingdon.😁👍 I'm also a big fan of @heldvomerdbeerfeld 's channel he lives in the same village in Austria where I once lived.
Yes - I was waiting for the Geoff Marshall Elbow Test! Looks as though you were too busy running around looking at seating configurations, and forgot to actually sit in a seat😅
I'll look forward to seeing the Class 720 in service! I saw some at Southend Victoria back in October during a Dusty Bin bash and got the nice surprise of two class 37s on the rail head treatment train at Southend Victoria! The juxtaposition of the class 37 and class 720 was fantastic!
@@sparkn8614 That´s another part too yes. Here in Sweden where I live the children in school have free lunches and about 1967-1980 the most modern schools had those completely covering carpets even in the school-restaurants, imagine where the milk and so on went among kids who push eachother in the ques.
I really like the new Greater Anglia trains coming into service, I think the refurbished 321 trains are very nice, but whatever design, I do anything to not sit in a middle seat.
No elbow test. You’ve changed! 🤣 Looking forward you catching some of these new units, pleased Greater Anglia taking some much customer/passenger feedback on board. Lucky to have them running in our region!
The class 720s look absolutely stunning, the PA sounds amazing (despite it also being in the toilet which is very odd lol), but other than that, I LOVE THEM!
Have to take one of these every day and HATE them. No tables at all, and five seats abreast means the aisles are narrower than the width of an adult human. So difficult to do any work on these things, if they are full you have absolutely no arm room and no leg room, and certainly no enough space to work on a laptop. The plug sockets by every seat are handy, but they only work about 60% of the time. Tried taking a bike one time, and those bike straps are impossible to use. Just intended to cram as many people on as possible as far as I can see.
yep, it most certanly is, espially on this line, at the weekends. i used the 321's most saturday nights, and always someone would throw up on the jurney, and the puke ran everywhere, but easily mopped up with the vynal floors they had.
@@Andrewjg_89 A 57 year old snowflake? The irony of your comment is hilarious, coming from a wideboy from Essex.....probably still driving around in his 1990's Ford Mondeo with his big titted blonde bimbo of a wife called Tracy. How on earth you figure my finding a train ugly makes me a snowflake just about sums up your intelligence, or to be more accurate, LACK OF......
they have that emma hignett announcement (which is voiced by julie on this train) but instead of "this is the train to" it says "this is the service to"
Exceptional staff outstanding and supportive employees and great inter profffesstional team working skills was a employee a bit like one and love the christima of lively sprits working together always felt welcomed by everyone esspecially employees and employers always supportive in working practices loved learnibg about the trains and diffrent people that worked there ex amred forces ex ex militray hmp some classified did not devel too much into them loved the trains and systems both singnalling and making of trains had a good time in support of LONDON UNDERGROUBD STAFF ARE AMAZING :) was develing into the aircraft side of things.... poilt wanted traning as both train and aircraft driver and love engineering as well as a bit of office work
Oh and btw Geoff, Yes u did indeed 4get the elbow test. Your disappointed with yourself , im VERY VERY disappointed with u Geoff 🙁🙄. Im gonna give u lines. Write out 100 times, Geoffrey must not forget the elbow test. 😂😉
The 3 plus 2 across seating should be banned altogether. The pitiful UK Victorian railway loading gauge just does not have the width. I have seen near fights occurring when people try to squeeze in to the triple seats at Chelmsford going towards Liverpool Street. Do these shiny new carriages also have that awful cable run along the side at the bottom which just adds to the discomfort? It looks to me that they have. Give me a car any day which is essential anyhow in any but the large cities. Travelling by train in Europe was always such a pleasure but a grim ordeal on getting back to the UK travelling especially East out of London. These new trains just look like a glossy reissue of the same thing given the need to cram as many as possible in to such a small space.
There are surveys... and there are surveys... Was that survey only conducted in first class? Otherwise it would be pointless... If you have 90% second class customers, and ask all customers if they want more seats in general - you don't need a survey. I can give you the numbers right away: 90% want more seats...
I was a regular commuter on Greater Anglia during Rush hour in pre-covid times. Its nice to hear that when I start commuting again I may be able to get a seat. Even when the trains were 12 carriages it was very hard to get seats the whole train was full including standing space.
"Change for the Elizabeth Line".
Why, does the Elizabeth Line have a strict dress code?
Doublet and hose are compulsory.
🤣
Cos its the queen or something idk
Could you please elaborate on the details of the breakfast stain? It's very important to me as I'm a stain-spotter.
lol...must admit, I wondered on that too...but lucky for him it was on his shirt, not further down.
@@geofftech2 That's going right in my stainspotter copybook! I prefer brown sauce.
😅😅😅
@@stephensaines7100 if it was mayonnaise on his trousers - *HIGHLY* suspicious
“Change for the Elizabeth line...” Well... you could, but you may be waiting a while.
Joe R M Change here for the Elisabeth Line, next train 2023 !!
Crossrail not E word
cross eliz purp rail
@@robfcgaming1947 its actually called Elizabeth line and its also called crossrail
Tell me someone else noticed the end of your indoor edit bit finished with the clip that the sequence then went into!?? Sliiiiick.
Nice trains, but I HATE 3+2 seating arrangements. Always so cramped.
@FatAngryWhiteMan everyone used to on southeastern trust me
I personally prefer 2+2 arrangements, but that said on the Belgian network we have the luxury of having double deckers on high demand routes
I was looking at how Geoff's left shoulder when he was seated was over the centre seat. Two "Geoffs" on seats 1 & 3 would not leave any practical or useable space on the centre seat. But hey, it makes for good statistics for Greater Anglia.
I wouldn't be surprised if they included the toilet in the seating statistics. I still think SWT 455 modernisation and seating layout showed how it could and should be done with 2 + 2 seating.
As an extension to the (gist) "More seats overall by eliminating First Class"...I wonder if there's a limit to that survey result as to 'where the extra seating manifests'. I suspect given the option, even those surveyed and answered for more seating, 2+2 seating with some standing would be the preferred option? I know I'd rather stand than be shoehorned into those tiny seats, and I'm slim!
If I understand correctly from video they are reducing from 12 cars (3x4) to 10 cars (2x5) which presumably is why high density (e.g. cramped) seating being used so the TOC can claim extra seating capacity created.
The underfloor heating is really nice for all people traveling bare-foot
Who would do that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol
xd
When passengers were surveyed I am positive they meant longer trains with more seats not 3+2 where 2+2 should be.Shame.
I've commuted in to Liverpool Street for the last 20 years and, apart from a couple of months when the old slam-door trains had a last hurrah, the seating has always been 3+2. So for me there hasn't been a difference. It'll be interesting to see if passenger numbers return to pre-pandemic levels, because at the moment I often have three seats to myself in the morning "rush hour".
The corridor between seating really does seem tight. It seems to me like they wanted to fit as many seats as possible. The power plugs are also awkwardly put exactly where you would put your leg. And it’s a shame, because it’s a beautiful beast of a train.
State of the art features... you mean leaning to each others' shoulders in a 2+3 seating, where even 2+2 is considered narrow? 🤣
Yeah I wouldn't recommend 3+2... The old Class 360s, which EMR will be inheriting, were previously used as 3+2s, though EMR will give them a full refurbishment including changing the seating to 2+2.
IMO, 2+2 is th minimum acceptable seating - especially when operators like EMR have 1st Class seating which is 2+1.
Lovely, Geoff. I must revisit Sarfend! Never mind about the elbow test - I’m more aghast that a video about a 720 lasts for 7:19. Thought you might have edited in an extra second! 😂🤣😂
Paul Johnson ... at 7:09
Mine states 7:18, so 2 seconds short..
and where's Sarfend???... cos i'd like to live there...
@@shoestompergingerjon9300 Essex
Oof, I thought 7:19 was an actual timestamp lol
"Old cronky trains??" I can remember when the 321's were brand new (and the first episode of 3-2-1!!). Suddenly I feel really old...
Same. Although I was at school at the time. But still, I remember it clearly.
They're old and gronky.
When were the 321s new?
@@hesterclapp9717 Around 1989/90.
@@NSE465 their still elite haha
3+2 seating for a longish journey? It's a no, no! The one thing passengers hate.
As a daily commuter I would much rather have a seat than stand for 45+ mins each way, even if I am ever so slightly squashed in.
As Limmy notes in his hour-and-a-half-long analysis of 3-2-1, Ted Rogers couldn't do the hand thing either.
3+2 seating why?.. horrible
Have you ever interviewed the woman who does the destination announcements? Very clear enunciation.
Julie Berry, I think...
RIP Class 321. The Breeze is the future!
@@Andrewjg_89 Why do classes matter so much?
@@bfapple they're changing the propulsion so they need to reclassify. The 600s run on hydrogen rather than overhead like the 321.
The seats look tight, even for pre-covid conditions. If you take a survey of course most people would say to get rid of first class since the majority don't use first class. Having said that, first class probably doesn't make economic sense for the operator. Also, when people say they want more seats I don't think they realize what that would mean. Do people like the middle seat on airplanes?
umm no they know exactly what it ment seeing as these units directly replace units with 3x2 seating...
I’m glad they kept Julie Berry as the voice on these . Hoping they will venture on to my branch line soon
Thanks for the subtitles! I appreciate your commitment to accessibility, it really sets you apart from other youtubers 😊
Does anyone actually like 3+2 seats 😂
Why not? (From non train traveller)
@Ieeck i agree
if you were a train traveller youd know why.. . not enough space .uncomfortable unpleasant
My thoughts too. Something I'm glad to see the back of now the final Pacer has finished running in Manchester...
@@thelastpilot4582
Look at Geoff in the seat, he's encroaching on the centre seat. Imagine three Geoffs in a row. Geoff 3 by the aisle would be lucky to have one cheek on the seat. On most trains the centre seat ends up being the handbag or rucksack seat. It's a terrible design. 2 + 2 is the better design. But, 3 + 2 makes for good statistics doesn't it.
The underfloor heating will make sure everybody smells it if somebody steps on poo
Seen the 701 on rest runs in godalming, they have been on running to haslemere
Thanks for covering the cycle storage space Geoff 🥰🚲
I've watched some of these being hauled by 2x 47s down the MML!
1 year later I have come to the conclusion that these are absolutely rubbish
It was only yesterday I was down in Liverpool street visiting Bures and that was my first time on a class 321 (and I'm glad)
Yes, why not have a longer train with 2+2 seating and decent legroom. The great shame is that we cannot have double deck trains which would have solved the problem. Underfloor heating is impressive. 😏
A point I've seen raised on Twitter is that the new Stadler trains (745s and 755s) have low floors which allow level boarding at stations with standard-height platforms. The 720s look excellent, but it's sad that Greater Anglia has chosen high-floor trains where wheelchair users will need to wait for a ramp, when they already have such excellent low-floor trains...
I think the below seat power plugs should have been installed the opposite way (so they would look upside down) as any cable would then be straight up from the plug and not having a curl on it, which could get in someone’s way and also become damaged.
5:37, nice use of my 720 diagram
Nice work there, man.
wow, your diagrams are amazing!
Nice of him to credit 😉
Great work
Don’t particularly like the seating 3 and 2 in a row, makes it look like the commuter trains in New York
At least here in NorthAm, the coach width is considerably wider! Imagine that 2+3 on a subway train. (UK mainline coach width is less than most North Am subway cars)
I can't understand why they can't have put in a small table in the bays of 6 to rest a drink or a book etc. The Class 365's had these when they were first introduced so not sure why this feature is thought of as un-important nowadays. A backwards step in my opinion.
my goodness that is a tight aisle between the seats, would hate to be sat on one of the seats on the edge.
Unfortunately the franchise agreement insisted on more seats. Hopefully the Government will reconsider. The seating is modular so easily changed. They are remiving some now.
As always nice video... but the class 720 looks like emperor Palpatine. I don’t like it very much.
The seats are god awful on all the new GA stock. Have to roll up my jacket for some lumbar support. The armrest is pitiful too compared to the old ones
Ironing board seats, stupidly narrow seats that cannot fit five people in a row, the three seats together mean one is squashed and only for people with no arms. The Greater Anglia passenger survey questions were the most biased I have ever known in any questionnaire! No fresh air either
The seats look far too narrow. Would have been much better with a 2 x 2 layout.
Nice trains. It seems a sad inconsistency of accessibility and inclusivity point though - especially for those who don’t appreciate and understand rolling stock procurement - for the customer experience, that compared with the FLIRTSs, these brand new shiny trains, are still stuck with steps and without level access. Truly hope for everyone’s sake, that more manufacturers will factor that feature into future designs.
No elbow test? 😔 But I don't have Twitter 😡
Woooahhh. You're in the video, editing the video. Mind. Blown.
Matt Daniels the CEO of Patreon does it a lot
I remember the old ones when I was in Glasgow
Can't believe it Geoff !!, no mention of the Network SouthEast colours on that roof support as the train was pulling out at the end of the video lol
Hi Geoff, I was on the very first one of these in service and had a chat with the manager of bombardier, manager of GA and the manager of the Southend Victoria line, Alan Whyld. Very enjoyable video, I have to admit its quite tight inbetween the seats in the walkway down the middle but they are nice and cosy. The elbow thing is very important and I did it myself and was very satisfied and nearly missed my stop because I nearly fell asleep with my arm in that position
What date was that?.. guess the're ready and waiting for me then.... will try one out tomorrow.
Why the awful 3 + 2 seating?? Geoff's not a big overweight man, yet even he more than filled his seat plus was partly over the centre seat. Certainly couldn't get three 5'10" plus men sitting 3 abreast.
Still, cramming as many seats in as possible looks good on the statistics table. It's a shame they don't have a comfort statistic.
Unfortunately it was a requirement ti win the franchise. They are taking some seats out. Btw there is a set of 2-2's if you're first in make a B line for them. Best seats. Where first class used to be.
Does anyone know if these trains eventually be rolled out to the rest of east anglia like Ipswich and Norwich ??
@@geofftech2 aren't Ipswich/Norwich getting the class 745/755s?
@@stellwyn they've got all of them now yes, but the 321s go to both Norwich and Ipswich
All the Anglia services that haven't already been replaced by 745s or 755s will be replaced by 720s once the full fleet has been delivered.
@@stevieinselby So 321s, 360s, 317s, 379s
Good stuff, thanks everyone!
They say "state of the art" features, I say the absolute cheapest basics you'd expect on a new train.
And I guess they went with underfloor heating at the expense of level boarding, because people in wheelchairs and even those with buggys really don't matter to Greater Anglia. Really wish you had asked about level boarding Geoff.
Also, “Fist of Quality”?
re: 5:44
ME: "Will the gentleman from RUclips commit to conducting the Fist of Quality test on every review of new or refurbished stock?"
GM (anticipated): (...and wondering what life would be like if Roger had never done that FoQ thing) 🙄
ME: (anticipated) "Pretty please?"
0:51 where have I not heard that before 😂
Come on Geoff, keep up. The Elizabeth line ( 6 syllables)operates from Shenfield to L'pool Str. They call it Crossrail ( 2 syllables) for the time being and in future -- 6 syllables v. 2 .
Three seats across is OK for kids and teenagers as Ian Walmsley has explained in Modern Rail under an article in "Pan Up" about manspreading.
I love democracy and passenger surveys. Asked whether they wanted to keep 1st Class, 99% of those who can afford 1st Class said 'yes', 99% of those who can't afford 1st Class said 'No'. And because the passengers numbers are split 95% 2nd Class/5% 1st Class, 1st Class was removed.
Can't beat the Class 313's on our South East Coast route. We have no toilets, no air conditioning, no USB sockets but we do have water filled double glazing which is interesting to watch when the trains accelerate and brake. And we have one in original 1970's BR Livery
www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/br-blue-repaint-for-pioneer-class-313
this guy predicted that the c2c will have class 720
A minor correction: South Western Class 701s come in two variants: 701/0 are TEN carriage units, and 701/5 are five carriage. Also the CrossPurpEliz line trains are, at least now, in both 9 and 7 car versions.
I got on one for the first time today and I'm disappointed to say, the seating arrangement has been very poorly thought out. I'm not particularly a wide person, nor am I big in stature, but walking through those 2 by 3 aisles was a very, very horrible experience. I had to shimmy myself sideways in order to get through. Definitely not good for the big/wider people. I'm surprised that this template was actually was signed-off without much careful thought.
Agree I am over 6ft and felt cramped, minimal leg room and very unpleasant sat next to another person - definitely won’t be using Greater Anglia unless I have no alternative
There are also 7 carriage 345's
They’re only temporary and once the line fully opens they’ll all be 9 cars long
Great "edutainment" in 3-2-1 Geoff-style! Big Thank You 🙂 We will come to the conclusion that "bigger trains" = "more space" = "safer to travel on". Congrats Bombardier!
Weyyyy I am from hockley and now live in Rayleigh! Happy days
@@Andrewjg_89 & @True Blue Small world, I'm from Ashingdon.😁👍 I'm also a big fan of @heldvomerdbeerfeld 's channel he lives in the same village in Austria where I once lived.
How was Rayleigh geoff? Did you see it?
Yes - I was waiting for the Geoff Marshall Elbow Test! Looks as though you were too busy running around looking at seating configurations, and forgot to actually sit in a seat😅
But soon there will Class 720/6 10 carriage will be on C2C either 2021 or 2022
Five car = 544 Seats
Ten car = 1088
One might say you were warm on the train as you were wearing a woolly hat!
Nice one Geoff!
My local station is Southend Victoria :)
and that's also my local too.
I'll look forward to seeing the Class 720 in service! I saw some at Southend Victoria back in October during a Dusty Bin bash and got the nice surprise of two class 37s on the rail head treatment train at Southend Victoria! The juxtaposition of the class 37 and class 720 was fantastic!
Yay a review on my favorite train! Thanks for sharing the video.
this is amazing, a massive upgrade for GA area!
Aside of the elbow test I would be interested to see how the carpet looks in the situation that you get snow again.
Or the inevitable beer, vomit, etc.
@@sparkn8614 That´s another part too yes. Here in Sweden where I live the children in school have free lunches and about 1967-1980 the most modern schools had those completely covering carpets even in the school-restaurants, imagine where the milk and so on went among kids who push eachother in the ques.
It’s strange seeing you on my local trains Geoff.
Geoff marshal breaking the fourth wall
Usually I would get on any train from London Ipswich. Now I make sure to get on one of these. So much nicer.
i think the aventra trains should run on the district and the metropolitan line, what do you think?
The S stock that runs on those lines already are built by the same company (Bombardier) and are only a quarter of the way through their design life
3:59 SHEMFIELD?!?!? Also Change for the Elizabeth Line, Your next train will be in 2024
Have you filmed the end of 143s?
Noooooooooooo the 321s!
Edit: it's fine. If you like the 321 you can go up to Glasgow where the class 320 still runs. It is just a 3-car 321
I really like the new Greater Anglia trains coming into service, I think the refurbished 321 trains are very nice, but whatever design, I do anything to not sit in a middle seat.
Hopefully this is the first aventra that is actually good. All the trains they’ve made for Britain except the 2009 stock and 387 suck
No elbow test. You’ve changed! 🤣 Looking forward you catching some of these new units, pleased Greater Anglia taking some much customer/passenger feedback on board. Lucky to have them running in our region!
Great video will theses trains run into Ipswich as well I have seen a few class 321s in Ipswich before
I believe so, yes. I'm based in Colchester and a couple of years ago there was a presentation in our town centre about these new 720s
The class 720s look absolutely stunning, the PA sounds amazing (despite it also being in the toilet which is very odd lol), but other than that, I LOVE THEM!
it is in the toilet so you know to stop peeing when you are arriving at your station
Have to take one of these every day and HATE them. No tables at all, and five seats abreast means the aisles are narrower than the width of an adult human. So difficult to do any work on these things, if they are full you have absolutely no arm room and no leg room, and certainly no enough space to work on a laptop. The plug sockets by every seat are handy, but they only work about 60% of the time. Tried taking a bike one time, and those bike straps are impossible to use. Just intended to cram as many people on as possible as far as I can see.
Just learning to drive a variant this train. Very technologically advanced. A brilliant train.
When are you going to go and visit the new trains in Isle of Wight video
When they’re in service I imagine
Bombardier Paris. Sounds like a Shampoo Geoff. Looks really nice
class 720 have a weird sound horn as well like it was an after thought
Isn't carpet on a train a bad idea? I can imagine vomit and booze and blood spilling everywhere.
yep, it most certanly is, espially on this line, at the weekends. i used the 321's most saturday nights, and always someone would throw up on the jurney, and the puke ran everywhere, but easily mopped up with the vynal floors they had.
The sound of the doors closing sound very similar to the Crossrail purple trains, and the Overgrounds 710s.
Love the sound of a door closing 💙💛
As one door closes another one..........
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I do like the 720s
Nice! :)
hey there draavo from the draavo youtube channel
Hi Draavo! Didn’t expect to see you here lol
What an ugly train.....
@@Andrewjg_89 A 57 year old snowflake? The irony of your comment is hilarious, coming from a wideboy from Essex.....probably still driving around in his 1990's Ford Mondeo with his big titted blonde bimbo of a wife called Tracy. How on earth you figure my finding a train ugly makes me a snowflake just about sums up your intelligence, or to be more accurate, LACK OF......
they have that emma hignett announcement (which is voiced by julie on this train) but instead of "this is the train to" it says "this is the service to"
Exceptional staff outstanding and supportive employees and great inter profffesstional team working skills was a employee a bit like one and love the christima of lively sprits working together always felt welcomed by everyone esspecially employees and employers always supportive in working practices loved learnibg about the trains and diffrent people that worked there ex amred forces ex ex militray hmp some classified did not devel too much into them loved the trains and systems both singnalling and making of trains had a good time in support of LONDON UNDERGROUBD STAFF ARE AMAZING :) was develing into the aircraft side of things.... poilt wanted traning as both train and aircraft driver and love engineering as well as a bit of office work
Nice video as usual. One correction: the Class 701s are 60 x 10 cars and only 30 x 5 cars. They also have underfloor heating.
Oh and btw Geoff, Yes u did indeed 4get the elbow test. Your disappointed with yourself , im VERY VERY disappointed with u Geoff 🙁🙄. Im gonna give u lines. Write out 100 times, Geoffrey must not forget the elbow test. 😂😉
Wish greater Anglia could bring back some of the class 321 and refurbish them
The 3 plus 2 across seating should be banned altogether. The pitiful UK Victorian railway loading gauge just does not have the width. I have seen near fights occurring when people try to squeeze in to the triple seats at Chelmsford going towards Liverpool Street. Do these shiny new carriages also have that awful cable run along the side at the bottom which just adds to the discomfort? It looks to me that they have. Give me a car any day which is essential anyhow in any but the large cities. Travelling by train in Europe was always such a pleasure but a grim ordeal on getting back to the UK travelling especially East out of London. These new trains just look like a glossy reissue of the same thing given the need to cram as many as possible in to such a small space.
Looking back I really really miss the music in these older videos, the new ones dont feel right without them
There are surveys... and there are surveys...
Was that survey only conducted in first class? Otherwise it would be pointless...
If you have 90% second class customers, and ask all customers if they want more seats in general - you don't need a survey. I can give you the numbers right away: 90% want more seats...
I’d pronounce it Bom-bar-deer, myself!
Not to be that person but LO does have 5 car 710s too 🤷🏼♂️
I was a regular commuter on Greater Anglia during Rush hour in pre-covid times. Its nice to hear that when I start commuting again I may be able to get a seat. Even when the trains were 12 carriages it was very hard to get seats the whole train was full including standing space.