Why Tina Turner Gave Up US Citizenship
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Speaking during a CNN interview in 1997, Tina Turner explained how “Europe has been very supportive of me” and joked, “I’m as big as Madonna in Europe”.
Turner, who moved to Switzerland in the mid-1990s and obtained Swiss citizenship in 2013, was arguably the most prominent resident in recent years. She voluntarily relinquished her US citizenship, driven by her deep connection to Switzerland but also potentially by the desire to avoid the legal complexities associated with US tax regulations.
However, are these the only reasons? In today's video, Andrew delves into all the factors that might prompt someone to contemplate leaving their homeland, including love, career, and lifestyle considerations.
00:00 Start
00:26 Why Tina Turner left The US
3:08 Are Taxes the Main Reason for Renouncing?
5:23 What Were the Main Factors of Her Move?
8:25 How to Become a Better Version of Yourself
12:40 How Can You Find Great Success?
14:22 What Happens When You Don't Belong There Anymore?
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The passport bros community is expanding exponentially and winning. Would love my final days to be in my wife's home country of the Philippines, where as a "black man" I'm treated like a king. 2030 rapidly approaching.
People who think America is the greatest country on earth, haven't traveled much.
It is, buddy.
@@poindextersheelturn436no it’s not
When they say great there speaking of the political system and bill of rights not the landscape. There are thousands of prettier places than the USA
@@kennethmeeker6369 and there are better political structures than the US as well
@@kennethmeeker6369 The political system great. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You're funny.
She went where she was treated best
Exactly. It wasn't just about love. Folks can't imagine what it's like being somewhere that you are always being judged by the color of ur skin and not the content of your character. I can only imagine what she went through during the peak of her career when U.S. race relations were a lot more volatile and also dealing with domestic abuse.
Given how bad official America treated Tina Turner in her early years (Courts siding with Ike, giving her basically nothing at her divorce etc), she did hold on to US citizenship much longer than many people would have. Tina Turner was not just "given" Swiss citizenship, she went through the lengthy and cumbersome Swiss naturalization process which included becoming fluent in a foreign language, countless interviews with bureaucrats and studying for the citizenship exams. I remember watching the local Zurich TV stations interviewing her when she got her citizenship - she was so happy and proud.
🇺🇸treated Tina bad before she became famous 👍
Great story. It gave me a smile. She should smile and be proud of herself.
@@kingmaafa120 Many artists of color. Hendrix, Nina Simone and countless other blues and jazz musicians.
@@kingmaafa120 She was famous already. She was treated how women her color have always been (even worse now) - She was more famous globally before, during divorce and after. Thank God for granting her freedom and happiness.
Tina was a great American 🇺🇸
Her husband has stated he plans to turn the house into a museum for her career and music.
Like Josephine Baker, She went where she is treated best
Facts
Eartha Kitt had a feeling she didn't want to attend a 1968 White House luncheon. She was blacklisted after she criticized the Vietnam War in the presence of the first lady Lady Bird Johnson, and her career went into severe decline. She found Europe more welcoming, from which she returned to the United States a rich and famous black woman. She was subjected to US Secret Service surveillance. Although I'm sure that like anyone of dark skin in the US in those days (and these), she might be given to occasionally making ironic mention of social, especially racial attitudes, she was no overt radical, she was an artist - and they went after her, to determine how "dangerous" she might be, and more ominously, what to do about it. I suggest that we give a good yank at government's chain and bring further to it's attention our serious domestic needs, not the least respect from those who pretend to serve us, but whose pockets are lined to keep us DIVIDED, in dismay and confusion, but paying taxes.
I Dont Blame her
Agreed.
@@AntonioPeralesdelHierroeartha kitt was not a dark skin lady so is Tina turner and miss baker those 3 lady was not dark skin guest you story straight there’s a big skin tone different between Beyoncé and viola Davis
I love that she was more popular/successful outside the US. Here in the US, nearly every interview wanted her to rehash her past with Ike. She deserved better. The US doesn’t like to let people let go of their past, especially if they can use it to hold you back or make $$ from it.
Just some remarks to the last years of her life:
In 1986 she met the German manager Erwin Bach. (He was send from her record company to greet her at an airport in Germany.)
They lived together in Cologne.
In 1995 they moved to Switzerland. Erwin became the CEO of EMI Switzerland.
In 2013 she became Swiss and reliquished her US citizenship and married Erwin. Three weeks later she had a stroke.
In 2016, she was diagnosed with intestinal cancer.
Since 1978 she had high blood pressure which damaged her kidneys.
Erwin offered to donate a kidney for transplant.
She accepted his donation and had kidney transplantation surgery in 2017.
I am sure love had something to do with it...
On May 24, 2023, Turner died at her home in Küsnacht, Switzerland, aged 83.
Jesus Wept. Kidney transplant _when you're 77?!_ God bless Tina but whatever happened to "going gently into that good night?"
You typed: "I am sure love had something to do with it..." And I sing: "What's love got to do, got to do with it? Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken!?"
@@androidash6901 Hypergamy is a scientific proven fact and thus a law of nature!
I saw her house when I visited Zurich. I would live in Switzerland if I could get a citizenship. Best managed democracy in the world.
I left the US back in the 70's. Having been back a couple times on holiday, I have zero desire to ever visit it again. It's not about the taxes, it just felt wrong, I did not belong in the US.
Can I ask you which country you live now?
Right there with you. Parents immigrated from Europe (Germany and Ireland). I’m preparing to go back to Europe. Always felt like a fish out of water.
@@hanna0322 Currently in Vietnam. It's not for everyone but it is a good place to be.
I felt the same. But its the opposite. I live now in the US. I am happy and thankful to be here.
But i will never go back to the place where i was born. I dont fit in there and i have no sense of belongingness. I dont feel safe. I have to tiptoe, nod, and agree all the time.
@@Ron-zr6se that’s great country bro…Cost of living is affordable compared to Thai or any other SEA
I remember when Tina Turner renounced US citizenship back in 2013 (🤔 I believe)
My Dad and I were discussing this and to my shock, he told me, “I don’t blame her one bit. She worked her @$$ off to have the IRS confiscate half her wealth and that was an absolute disgrace” My Dad was the proudest American that I ever knew but he knew that his country was changing and NOT for the better.
Tax rate in Switzerland is much higher than US.
@@Art-is-craftIt may be but you see the taxes at work. Impeccable pubic transportation and public safely, great educational system and retirement benefits make the taxes worth it.
@@quackdracular7610Probably a better health system too.
@@Art-is-craftSwiss here… having lived and paid taxes in both countries.
Most Swiss cantons have taxes lower than in the US of A. The more expensive cantons, of which Zurich is, have a tax level similar to that of the USA, in no way “much higher”.
But the real difference is in the level of service you get for the taxes you pay… it is immensely better in Switzerland.
@@st-ex8506
Houses are 4 times more expensive in Switzerland, cars are twice as expensive with half the brand choice. True tax liability for a median income in the US in California is about 25% when all is totalled to include federal insurance, federal income, state and local taxes. In Switzerland at the median level it is also 25% when all managed liabilities are included. The difference I used California the highest liability state but in over half the states that liability would be closer to 12% on median income.
She fell in love and married a man who worked in Switzerland, then moved there with him. Sounds good to me!
I keep telling people… SWITZERLAND is it, if you can get in, it is America 2.0, less crime , better food, more nature
I heard the newcomers have moved in though? How can that be good.@innerdimensionsinc.1281
@@innerdimensionsinc.1281 Switzerland is what American entrepreneurs are looking for for a good place to live, and Norway is what American workers are looking for for a good place to live.
@@innerdimensionsinc.1281 Never compare Switzerland to America are you ok??? Not everything revolves around america/americans. Get off your high horses and never compare Switzerland to the united states...
@@capitalist830stop.
Tina Turner was an absolute goddess in Europe and Australia......sometimes in life,we just want to leave stuff behind and start again......After her divorce and in her mid forties,she had another crack,and filled all the stadiums !
As a celebrity you can move in Switzerland and go out and not be bothered by anybody! We recognize them but we respect there privacy.
I am a tribute artist (Barry White /Motown) and Tina Turner was always a popular tribute act on the circuit during my time working across Greece and other Mediterranean countries (alongside MJ, Whitney, Beatles tributes et al). Her sales slump in 🇺🇸 can only be explained on how culture changed around Pop music, in particular RnB. She was a rare talent, great singer and amazing dancer.
"Go where you're treated best": 🇺🇸 loss and 🇨🇭 gain.
After moving to France, I now hear better Jazz here than I've ever heard in the US and I was a frequent visitor to New Orleans. American tastes are defined by the marketing. People like what they're told to like in America.
@@SurpriseMeJT. I think the Country and Bluegrass markets remain quite consistent but the others change with the wind. Turner should've been able to still sell well and have significant hit singles into the 90's and 00's but RnB radio wasn't really supporting her. .
Her African American bases wanted her to do black music.. her handlers wanted her to be more international
I believe european audiences are more open to a crossover act. Audiences in Europe are predominantly white. They're more open to buying crossover music. Try getting black kids in US to buy Stones records. Not going to happen.....
+1 Americans are idiots when it comes to knowing what good music is. I love all classic RandB/Motown/Funk as well as jazz fusion and prog rock. The music here is like the food....crap. The US is "Swifties" and Mc Donalds.
She gave it up because shes smart!!
Not at all.
@@Art-is-crafthow?
@@gaara4667
She left America first personal reasons. Including living with her husband.
She oozes class!
I believe that is one reason. Might be a matter of her temperament. Some people do not identify as citizen of their birth place. Yes, she is so lovely and classy. Cheers.
Tina Turner was way more popular in Europe than America, especially from the 80's onwards. I from the UK and remember my grandfather going to see her in concert in the very late 80's. She was huge. Her songs never seemed to be as big in America. She perfected the soft rock, anthematic, iconic songs. She had great songwriters.
Yes I find the American music industry fickle yet plain and it doesn’t reward real musicians
Tina is a legend!
The best!
She is! I love her!
She also talked, closer to the end, about how race played a big role in why she left. She said she was respected there, which she didn't experience here.
She mentioned that a lot. She lived her life with such dignity and was treated much better in Switzerland than in the United States.
Out of over a hundred trips back to the US, only one immigration officer ever said "Welcome back home". The rest were either outright rude and nasty or indifferent at best. In Dubai, Hong Kong and even France I am greeted with hospitality.
Facts know the feeling 😮
Denmark 🇩🇰 is very warm and welcoming, compared to the U.S police state.
Same experience here
What a classy woman... you don't find celebs like that anymore
Josephine Baker set the standard back in the 1920's. Jimi Hendrix in the 60's as well.
mmhm! A handful musicians in Jazz and Classical often migrate to Europe because they are most appreciated. I am heading to Europe because the industry I want to go in is stronger there than in US. Always go where you will be celebrated & desired.
Agree! She received more support in Europe than in the U.S., and she said as much in other interviews (there were other famous BW like her who found more success in Europe too). When she was being abused, it was also apparent. People were still defending and siding with Ike!
I'm in Canada (lived in the US briefly decdes ago), and Canadians also leave because they're not appreciated in Canada either. North America as a whole in this context is a hot mess.
Canadian here! I love Tina Turner, her life wasn't easy and I think her life really began at 40. You touched on so many things I am currently thinking about: my career and my love life, I've always felt out of sorts here in Canada. Hoping to visit Switzerland and other countries to see where suits me best, personally and professionally.
I am an American living long-term in Switzerland, applying for dual citizenship next year. Tina was definitely on to something.
I still feel American (US military veteran), and my extended family is there, but my wife and kids and I feel Swiss as well... and every time we visit the States we see fewer and fewer reasons to return. It's a bad trajectory over there right now!
S/O to you! 🙌 I wish I could move to Switzerland 🇨🇭!
I live in the 🇺🇸, where I was born. If could live anywhere I wanted, it would be Switzerland 🇨🇭!
Might be worth investigating Shania Twain's case - she is also in Switzerland despite her huge success in North America
Good one, though she's Canajun (eh!). :P
Heck, I'd be in even more of a hurry to leave Canada than much of the US, at this point!
Didn’t she have property in New Zealand?
A Canadian pop icon married a Swiss-French businessman
I don’t think taxes factored into her decision to leave the U.S.
He said that😂
A suiss passport is the best in the world not because of free visa countries but because of the reputation of switzerland , i live in Europe in Germany everyone dreams of the ability to live in Basel or zurich or Geneve !!!
On another talk show, she stated that people in other parts of the world always treated her better.💖
Madonna was a reason.
She long realised US exceptionalism and indispensability was a crock of ####.
Tina was also massive in Brazil.
Rio ’88 is the home video release from Tina’s legendary concert at the Maracana Stadium in Rio de Janeiro on January 16, 1988 as part of her Break Every Rule Tour.
With this concert in front of over 180,000 people, Tina broke an attendance record that landed her in the Guinness Book of World Records with the largest paying audience for a single artist.
Simply The Best Andrew! I was waiting for him to say “What’s Love got to do With It”…then we’d really be Rollin on the river…but then again We don’t need another hero lol
I was going to say the same .. along the lines "So love DOES have something to do with it .."
Thank you for covering this. Josephine Baker is another Entertainer who left the USA. Would be interested in your take on that one.
What strikes me the most is that ... in those days, ONLY the very rich and famous could do (and BRAG about) it. Nowadays .... ANYBODY can !! (and nobody else needs to know).
See that last part?
"NOBODY ELSE NEEDS TO KNOW!"
That's the golden key right there. Sadly, far too many people always seek social validation and approval.
"The less people know, the better your life."
@@leleo5019why? Why not tell people? It might inspire others to take that step.
@jasonandersen5975 There are already countless stories out there at all levels, so there's no need to add to the noise on social media. Maintaining a peaceful balance between personal privacy and autonomy versus social contribution can do a lot of wonders for your life. If your goal is to generate income from social media contribution by allowing the world into your personal life, then by all means, inspire the world.
@@leleo5019 yours is quite a silly comment. She was asked questions by an interviewer; she answered them honestly.
@@jasonandersen5975 🤦♀️people like you always fascinates me. Never taking the time to read and understand what's being said, always ready to quickly jump into battle with guns blazing.
My comments above have nothing to do with the interview in the video. It's about the original comment 'renatosureal' made, and I was replying to the last part of his comment in brackets.
She was more popular in Europe
I was just about to comment the same. She was way more popular in Europe than America
She was huge also in Latin America. Her shows there were huge.
@@gugy68This is true
I am in the process of moving to Europe. And it's got nothing to do with the taxes. I live in New York and pay an obscene amount of taxes but I would even pay more to be in a much better country.
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Good you are leaving that doomed city like so many others. The US is doomed.
@@bibibachmd9995 nyc is great, but US is a garbage dump.
@@bibibachmd9995 I disagree.
I lived there 7 yrs. What country are you going to.
I learned decades ago that she was HUGE in Europe at the time, like legendary, so she "went where she was treated best!" had to use your line. She got FLACK back then for this from many communities as it was more unusual at the time.
She was gorgeous. Seems a lovely lady.
Think about how Tina Turner was treated for most of her life while she lived in the US:
A Black woman living in the South through the 50's and 60's was not made to feel welcome in many places.
Then she was married to a man who was physically and emotionally abusive. (Ike)
The only thing that surprised me was that she didn't get out sooner.
Blacks in America have received for almost 60 years now preferential treatment known as Affirmative Action in employment hiring and college admissions. The race card nonsense doesn’t work as an excuse anymore.
@@androidash6901being black in the US was no walk in the park and it does matter.
@@androidash6901No one is playing the race card. This is the reality that has affected millions of black Americans for generations. The impacts are still relevant.
What a beautiful accent she had! I could listen to her for hours.
As a swiss citizen or a foreigner you can get a great tax deal even under the normal tax system particulary Canton Zug , Schwyz ,Nidwalden , Obwalden , the cheapest of these for real estate is Obwalden
Hasn’t Roger Federer based himself in Schwyz ?
Am moving later this year to Lucerne canton. Exciting.....
@@ZaneConnor
Very expensive.
@@jamesdean1143 good that keeps it exclusive
@@itsnowjoke1381 Epstein was "exclusive"
She lived in Kuesnacht, a municipality in the Canton of Zurich and one of the lowest tax exp. I lived there for years and saved heavy on taxes.
Alot of people in her social circle were very aware of her situation with Ike and somewhat complicit. Moving it was best thing she could have done
the abuse was bi-directional; adults should keep their hands to themselves.
Had nothing to do with Ike, she had divorced her years before.
lisalove6327 what's your IG?
I feel like when I leave Canada my life is really going to take off for the better. Tina has always been an inspiration to me to go where I’m treated best. I’m still not sure where that is but looking forward to it 💛
You can do it!
Me too!
Me three 💯
She's SO adorable.
I agree that re-entering the US has often been unpleasant, being treated with suspicion. I re-entered in early 2024 and got a "welcome home" from the border agent. I was really surprised. It was at night with nobody around (didn't check a bag) and by far the easiest re-entry I've made.
Yesssyesss yesss she was living some kms 'appart from me in Küsnacht nearby Zürich...loved her music 😊
_durch diese hohle Gasse muss er kommen; es führt kein anderer Weg nach Küssnacht_ :D
My understanding is that she was renting her mansion first, and then bought it once she got citizenship.
Learned so many things watching these videos and reading Andrew’s book. And it changed my life .
So glad to hear that! 😊
Mine also. Love your work Andrew and team. Smiles from Australia (escaping soon.... )
Deep Commentary 🎉Thank You 😊❤
I love how he explained that traveling to other countries forces you to know who you are. That is one of the reasons why I enjoy traveling. I sometimes feel that, if I had it to do over again, I would have left my hometown as a young women and explored who I was as I explored the world. I'm 59 now; I can still do it but I have regrets about not doing it earlier.
So she proved that there is life beyond the Thunderdome!
Great video. Thanks ❤😊
It's not _paying_ taxes, it's mostly the overreach of the current (esp. after Obama) US tax law which creates certain consequences affecting relatives who don't even go to the US at all. Terry Gilliam in a video on YT explained once why he renounced US citizenship: his lawyer looked at the new tax regulations and told him that if a car runs him over in the streets of London (say), his survivors might not be able to keep their English house. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. There are many similar stories, Wall Street Journal had a series of articles about it several years ago.
Great topic!! I think about her when I watch your show
I would too. This 35% tax is trash. I’m so ready to leave.
It's actually higher tax bracket than that, as if you look at everything they taxe us for in our life. Were more than 50% taxed.
Scandinavian countries pay less than that for most middle class and they get good social benefits
Hell yeah man bro I been following you for years since no subscribers keep killing it my brother 💪🏾
Very good points, thank you.
GREAT VIDEO! ❤
Great video Andrew
I can relate to Andrew on the point he makes about going back to the US. When crossing into Texas the CBP officers do not tell me welcome home, only one time has a CBP officer welcomed me back home. Some of the CBP officers are nice enough, some times I get one that is just plain rude insisting on speaking in Spanish to me. I have a Global Entry card; I was born in Texas and they insist on speaking to me in a foreign language. The Mexican border cops in general are more courteous to me when I cross back to Mexico. The US simply is not structured to be courteous to its citizens, especially to its citizens that are not white. What is ironic is that the majority of the CBP officers that are courteous are either black or white, most of the rude ones that are rude to Hispanic Americans are fellow Hispanic Americans. Go where you are treated best.
The good thing with the US is that tourists can enter for 6 months at a time. So if you’re rich there’s really no need to be a US citizen.
Excellent video! Thank you
Glad you liked it!
certainly one other reason : if u live in Zurich , u don’t get shot if u have to go to the grocery store
Hmmm, wanna guess which specific demographic commits a disproportionate amount of gun violence in America? In fact responsible for 60% of homicides by gun.
In other interviews she shared about leaving the US because of the racism.
Yes, that is purposefully not being highlighted.
Welcome home. So sweet. I almost feel teary hearing you say that. I can imagine what that felt like. 🏠 ❤
😮thanks for sharing 😊
All of these idiots in the comment section thinking she moved simply for love. She was a very intelligent and savvy woman who had amassed a fortune.
why is my friends from china all still wanted to come to america so bad? I try to tell them no, they won't believe me
Are they coming to work for big tech? The pay for that field is astronomically higher in the US than EU / Asia, and can always take your capital back to your homeland like many of my Asian international friends from university several years ago. Also I’m generalizing hard I know 😅
Because America is better than China.
Tina left the US for good in 93 (at the age of 54-55). She made the right decision. Beautiful and classy lady (RIH)❤⚘️
I currently follow 2 RUclipsrs who live in Switzerland. One is from India, and one is from the US.
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I am in the process of getting Italian citizenship I have collected all my documents except for a few that I need from Sicily. I am also applying from Mexican residency. I am almost retired And I'm not wealthy. I am planning on going to Italy in the fall to apply there. I am considering renouncing if it makes the best sense
It sounds like you're navigating through a complex but exciting process! If you need any guidance or support along the way, feel free to reach out to us. Best of luck!
@@nomadcapitalist thank you. I'm pretty sure I can't afford Your services. But follow along for good advice. I meet the financial solvency requirements for the Mexican residency. I am eligible for Italian citizenship through my mother and grandfather. May have a small hurdle with the new minor issue.
I'm a dual US - Italian citizen. Worth every penny and bit of effort.
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Let's sum it ; like many other singers/actors of color, she was the top African American female singer in the US but in America, her own birth country, she was Still discriminated in Hotels, in business, in recognition. Of course she would move to where she was Appreciated. She also did not want to be beholding to America (tax wise) when she was not benefiting. To each their own.
Andrew
Look into the life of Bollywood Actor and heartthrob Akshay Kumar. He is/was one of the most bankable actors in India for his time. He is not without controversy though. He has been retired/semi-retired for a number of years.
Early on in his career in India, he was struggling, not getting the opportunities he wanted. He left India for Canada. He immigrated. He was helped by his relatives in Canada. He tried a few different kinds of careers in India. Eventually he found luck in India and moved back to India for an acting career in Bollywood.
While in Canada, he naturalized and became a Canadian citizen. This meant he had to legally renounce his India citizenship under India law. He did that and got what we term as an OCI (some call it an Overseas Citizenship of India; others call it a visa akin to India's "Green Card"). It is a visa that many in the India diaspora hold. It is a "grey area", as Indian law explicitly forbids dual citizenship. The India government classifies it as a visa.
When Akshay Kumar returned to India and Bollywood for his acting career, he didn't bother to re-acquire his India citizenship. This did cause some controversy in the general public. Akshay Kumar did eventually re-acquire his India citizenship and give up his Canadian citizenship.
What this shows is that people can, and do, change citizenships. They make choices, and they give or acquire citizenships based upon their own personal situations and choices.
This is very interesting! Ty for sharing!
Tina Turner was friends with Mick Jagger. She was at a career low in the late Seventies/early Eighties and he was instrumental in getting her career as a solo act back on track by helping her with the sessions recording her come-back hits like 'Private Dancer' and 'What's Love Got To Do With it'?
After that, as she said in the interview, European fans have been very good to her.
As an American living, working, and paying taxes in Switzerland, I find the paperwork burden of being a US citizen living outside the USA to be massive. In addition, it is very difficult to invest and plan for retirement because of US tax policy.
Got any tips on how to start putting flags in another country and acquire citizenship if you’re not super rich?
She wanted real food.
I have UK and US passports. She speaks with a beautiful English accent.... and I am picky !
Switzerland is always the best backup! 🤩🇨🇭🍀
A lot of Black artists have left the US for better treatment. You didn't touch on the race factor. As a Black woman, it is exhausting dealing with race in the US. Yes, racism is global, however, in the USA you also have the fear of dying for being Black. This is one of the reasons why I am leaving.
What countries are you interested in. I'm AA and looking into Mexico
Wrong. In the US, Whites are being brutally persecuted and “White Genocide” is being taught in the far left, black controlled schools and the media.
In the US, Whites are treated as subhuman. You are brainwashed.
I have been debating this as well. I feel shackled and I don’t like being a perpetual target. In the US, I can’t escape being othered as a Black woman.
Just moved and I don't miss the US as a home at all.
I feel the same. Left the U.S. nearly 10 years ago and don't miss it one bit. Best of luck to you in your new happy place! 😊
If you are a USA citizen and want to open a bank account in Switzerland, good luck.
I am a US citizen in Switzerland. The only banking options we could find were a Post-Konto or UBS. Everybody else was like "Nooope."
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@@8d4o0c4 why they don't let you open a bank account being a US citizen?
@@adrian-4767 Because it is too dangerous and too much administration for the Swiss bank. The US has too often blackmailed Swiss banks and put hefty fines on them. All people from other countries can have a Swiss bank account.
@@heinzkoenig8831 so what if you give up your US citizenship? then you can open a Swiss bank account...
Hi Andrew, can you start doing case study segments on individuals that have taken up and/or given up citizenship?
I was welcomed home after working in Seoul, S. Korea for two years. I returned to the US in 2003 between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
This is uncanny........last night I watched "1971" music doc on Apple. I googled Tina Turner and wondered about her citizenship journey. And today NC explains.......wild. Gorgeous talent...RIP.
When I moved to Central America back in 1995, I wasn't thinking about taxes, or job opportunities or residency or anything like that. I felt that where I was living in the suburbs of Atlanta was quickly turning into a police state. When I got on the plane to leave, my only thought was "I am so Done with the US." I found an open, friendly welcoming society, a true Democracy to make my new home. I met and married a beautiful young local girl and after 25 years together, all is still good. I have learned patience because nothing happens quickly down here. Bust as I get older, that's OK. And now if I come across a couple beat cops standing on a corner in downtown San Jose, I always take the time to stop, shake their hands, thank them for their service, and just chat for a while. What a stark contrast from the Ga. State Patrol that used to harass me every time I got in my car. I'm still proud to have been born in the U.S., but as I watch now and see everyone scrambling to try to save Democracy, I can't help but think that I was 30 years ahead of the times.
I totally understand. I've lived in CA, Atlanta and now North Carolina. The U.S. is a rapidly declining place. I'm looking at Mexico...
This made me search for her songs. What her most hit song..
But did yall catch Tina say...who😮😂 her move abroad worked out in her favor....
I want more Freedom! Great video Andrew thanks!
I don’t usually associate musicians especially those in the world of popular music with sophistication, this is where Tina is different, she has a European sophistication about her.
Rip Tina Turner.
True
You say some of the wisest things my good Sir
She is a role model
I saw her live several times, first time in 1974 or 5, their last tour in a 3000 seat auditorium south of San Francisco with Ike and the Ikeetts. I was in 2nd row with elevated stage looking right up Tina’s and the backup dancers dresses and they were flashing their legs pretty good, it was awesome
If the USA is the freest nation in the world then her people should be the happiest in the world and have the best systems and lowest taxes in the world. If people move out and renounce the USA this should make other Americans curious not angry. Where does this anger come from?
If you’re conditioned to believe that you’re living in the best place EVER, it sets off major cognitive dissonance to hear someone say otherwise, let alone act on it. IMO the cognitive stuff happens because, speaking as a US citizen, we know this place isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. So that…trouble maker…becomes a lunatic, or a sellout, or a coward or whatever. “It’s not any better anywhere else,” often said by someone who’s never BEEN anywhere else…IJS
What's love got to do with it? 😛
Regarding taxes - in Swiss 🇨🇭 - rich and famous could get their own private tax rate - possibly because each canton are very independent. My Swiss colleagues called it the Tina turner rule.
Larry King: "He's nothing like Ike?"
Tina: "Who???" 🤔🤨🤣🤣🤣
I love Zurich and I love Switzerland. California should be the Switzerland of the United States but I can't imagine that ever happening.
Exactly!!!!
In this country we don't get much for the taxes we pay. Not to mention all of the turmoil and meddling we do in other countries while neglecting this country. The corporations and lobbyists own the government and therefore they will NEVER act in the best interest of the people. America is on the decline. Also, she was treated better abroad, I experienced the same and don't blame her.
It could be that, for Tina Turner, Zurich may offer much more convenient plane/train connexions while in Switzerland.