What are you talking about 2:15 the Classic forehand. The kid is laying the face parallel to the court, pronating with a deep follow through. That looks nothing like Connors (who has shallow follow through) as your example! WTF!
Omg. This video helps the bottleneck for improving stability of recreational player like me, starting from using eastern grip and whole body movement, then transfering to more western grip and modern swing. I didn't realize the small leg movement is the root cause of my unstability before. Thanks a lot
Your "classic swing" is perpetuating the same myth as in the golf swing ie that most of the power is generated by movements of big muscles like the legs and body. So for years and still it's being taught that weight transfer generates most of the power. It doesn't. Most of the power is generated by the shoulder and arm muscles hence your " modern swing" can produce a lot of power. This was demonstrated well by a golfer who sat in a chair and hit a drive over 200 yards showing that large body movements are not creating most of the power.
Bro classic swing uses continental. That student was just doing a modern swing. He had a eastern or semi western grip. Basically classic is low to high over the shoulder and modern is more side to side because of the grip. U rly don’t know wtf ur talking about
This is pure gold. Thank you for posting this. I prefer the modern swing, as it matches my natural throwing motion better. I've tried the classic, medicine ball variant many times, as many coaches prefer to teach this, and as you say, most find it easier. I've come to realize that my focus on rising up in the leg work, is exactly what's been contra-productive to my swing. Another advantage to keeping a stable, wide, strong and low base on impact, is that, in some sense, you get more court to work with, i.e. you get more under the ball, and you can put more spin/effort into the shot, and/or you are able to play the ball at a lower (vertical)impact point, and thus lowering your ball trajectory. I watch a lot of tennis instructional videos, and you're firmly in the top of my favorites, incl Feel Tennis, Intuitive Tennis and TPA. What I really like about this group, is that you offer different, but very solid perspectives, that appeal to a variety of players; different learning tools/perspectives resonate with different people, and also at different times (in your tennis development).
Arm does most the work and legs is just the cherry on top. Ankle snap from the lower leg is more important for generating speed than the upper leg. Technically, the smaller parts of body create speed while big muscles power/stability
Coach Steven, thanks for the video. My understanding and implementation of the modern forehand is different than yours. I extend my leg while rotating my hips as I contact the ball. Your demonstration of the incorrect way is extremely odd in timing of his leg movement. And you demonstration of the correct way w/o leg movement is counter to every pro I've seen and my own stroke. In general, pushing off the ground and extending with my right leg is critical in the kinetic chain. Something that is oddly missing in your demonstration. Just look at slowmo of Fed videos after he warms up or in match play and you will see. Another point I have and something I have stated in the past is that your approach or teaching method of the modern forehand really lacks a relaxed arm. When I hit, I am totally relaxed to the point where the racket dangles off my arm. If you don't have a totally relaxed arm, which your student shows is not relaxed enough, he will not benefit as much from the form. And the relaxed arm really means that you don't need much muscle strength in the biceps or forearm. In fact, after I play, the only muscle that is sore is my shoulder from the pulling motion. Furthermore, your point that the modern forehand can't handle balls with pace as well as the classic is really odd to. Your video does not show the classic form handles pace better so this is clearly an assumption. Since the classic takes longer to execute, using that form to handle pace will definitely make you hit late even if it can absorb pace better. The modern form is much quicker to execute and therefore has a much better chance at contacting a fast ball at the right point. You should demonstrate a lot of your assertions.
Agree, the idea that legs are not involved in a modern forehand is just wrong. The push from the right leg starts the kinetic chain, the hips and then shoulders uncoil and then the loose hitting arm whips through. The demonstrations of "classic" forehand in this vid are close to a correct modern forehand. A classic forehand looks like Johnny Mac or Pistol Pete -- more of a continental grip, low to high swing, and neutral stance.
@@MichaelSienkiewicz This video explanation is wrong. Modern strokes vs classic strokes is not like this. I urge everyone to skip this video so that you won't confuse yourself. There are a lot of materials on the web explaining modern strokes vs classic strokes or modern FH vs classic FH.
Agree. I was slapping my head when he started talking that modern forehand doesn't require the push from the leg. N I started to look at the comment section, n found these. Thanks for clarifying. I stop watching.
@Wally: Excellent explanation that's completely in line with what I observe when watching the pro's today, what I've learned from different coaches, and what I experience when playing myself. This video left me perplexed in so many ways.
EXCELLENT INSTRUCTION STEVEN,! 👏👏👏👍👍👍 I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS ANALYSIS BEFORE, BUT IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. I THINK FOR MOST OF US CLUB PLAYERS THE CLASSIC WAY IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.
Perfect timing! Was just wondering if I should switch. Played a lot around 16 years ago and finally getting around to playing again. The classic swing is ingrained currently but rackets have come forward so much that a medium swing with a new racket sends the ball rocketing to the fence. Time for a swing overhaul..
I've been learning for a long time and I don't seem to be making any progress. I have a coach and he insists I hit in a particular way but it doesn't help me. I hit a great ball but he says my technique is wrong and ignores the fact that it was a good in court hit. It seems to me that both classic and modern do the job, must there be one right way?
Thank you for the useful video that I can learn a lot about. We just uploaded a step practice video with our members, and it would be an honor if you could watch it when you have time.
what happpened to him?
What are you talking about 2:15 the Classic forehand. The kid is laying the face parallel to the court, pronating with a deep follow through. That looks nothing like Connors (who has shallow follow through) as your example! WTF!
what happened
Non sense
Where u been!!!
You lost me, both look the same
That’s cause they are XD
I love the detail you provide in your videos. It really is unmatched! Thank you
Miss your video's!! Always were amazing.
At 8’34”, watch the spectator’s reaction... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
long time no see your new videos
Omg. This video helps the bottleneck for improving stability of recreational player like me, starting from using eastern grip and whole body movement, then transfering to more western grip and modern swing. I didn't realize the small leg movement is the root cause of my unstability before. Thanks a lot
For rec player, classic is more consistent
Your "classic swing" is perpetuating the same myth as in the golf swing ie that most of the power is generated by movements of big muscles like the legs and body. So for years and still it's being taught that weight transfer generates most of the power. It doesn't. Most of the power is generated by the shoulder and arm muscles hence your " modern swing" can produce a lot of power. This was demonstrated well by a golfer who sat in a chair and hit a drive over 200 yards showing that large body movements are not creating most of the power.
That is not true that modern swing don't use leg.
Excellent analysis and instruction. Very much explains the difference between the two techniques!
Bro classic swing uses continental. That student was just doing a modern swing. He had a eastern or semi western grip. Basically classic is low to high over the shoulder and modern is more side to side because of the grip. U rly don’t know wtf ur talking about
This is pure gold. Thank you for posting this.
I prefer the modern swing, as it matches my natural throwing motion better. I've tried the classic, medicine ball variant many times, as many coaches prefer to teach this, and as you say, most find it easier. I've come to realize that my focus on rising up in the leg work, is exactly what's been contra-productive to my swing.
Another advantage to keeping a stable, wide, strong and low base on impact, is that, in some sense, you get more court to work with, i.e. you get more under the ball, and you can put more spin/effort into the shot, and/or you are able to play the ball at a lower (vertical)impact point, and thus lowering your ball trajectory.
I watch a lot of tennis instructional videos, and you're firmly in the top of my favorites, incl Feel Tennis, Intuitive Tennis and TPA. What I really like about this group, is that you offer different, but very solid perspectives, that appeal to a variety of players; different learning tools/perspectives resonate with different people, and also at different times (in your tennis development).
Doesn't the modern forehand (on killshots at least) push forward with the legs (not up) to meet the ball?
12:48. I think I found one of my tennis mistakes. Thanks a lot.
Wow man..1 minute in and you are delivering some amazing insights that I have note heard elsewhere. Excellent and thank you!
Since I played in the 1980s, I use classic. Even started with a wooden racket. 😂
8:46 lol the guy got scared
really ?? Modern swing doesnt generate power from legs??...Roger even jumps sometimes
Arm does most the work and legs is just the cherry on top. Ankle snap from the lower leg is more important for generating speed than the upper leg. Technically, the smaller parts of body create speed while big muscles power/stability
Coach Steven, thanks for the video. My understanding and implementation of the modern forehand is different than yours. I extend my leg while rotating my hips as I contact the ball. Your demonstration of the incorrect way is extremely odd in timing of his leg movement. And you demonstration of the correct way w/o leg movement is counter to every pro I've seen and my own stroke. In general, pushing off the ground and extending with my right leg is critical in the kinetic chain. Something that is oddly missing in your demonstration. Just look at slowmo of Fed videos after he warms up or in match play and you will see. Another point I have and something I have stated in the past is that your approach or teaching method of the modern forehand really lacks a relaxed arm. When I hit, I am totally relaxed to the point where the racket dangles off my arm. If you don't have a totally relaxed arm, which your student shows is not relaxed enough, he will not benefit as much from the form. And the relaxed arm really means that you don't need much muscle strength in the biceps or forearm. In fact, after I play, the only muscle that is sore is my shoulder from the pulling motion. Furthermore, your point that the modern forehand can't handle balls with pace as well as the classic is really odd to. Your video does not show the classic form handles pace better so this is clearly an assumption. Since the classic takes longer to execute, using that form to handle pace will definitely make you hit late even if it can absorb pace better. The modern form is much quicker to execute and therefore has a much better chance at contacting a fast ball at the right point. You should demonstrate a lot of your assertions.
Agree, the idea that legs are not involved in a modern forehand is just wrong. The push from the right leg starts the kinetic chain, the hips and then shoulders uncoil and then the loose hitting arm whips through. The demonstrations of "classic" forehand in this vid are close to a correct modern forehand. A classic forehand looks like Johnny Mac or Pistol Pete -- more of a continental grip, low to high swing, and neutral stance.
@@MichaelSienkiewicz This video explanation is wrong. Modern strokes vs classic strokes is not like this. I urge everyone to skip this video so that you won't confuse yourself. There are a lot of materials on the web explaining modern strokes vs classic strokes or modern FH vs classic FH.
Agree. I was slapping my head when he started talking that modern forehand doesn't require the push from the leg. N I started to look at the comment section, n found these. Thanks for clarifying. I stop watching.
@Wally: Excellent explanation that's completely in line with what I observe when watching the pro's today, what I've learned from different coaches, and what I experience when playing myself. This video left me perplexed in so many ways.
@@champyhalim8882 lol that part where the guy wasn’t using any legs was killing me.
Lay the wood. 😂
Smart young man!😂
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EXCELLENT INSTRUCTION STEVEN,! 👏👏👏👍👍👍 I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS ANALYSIS BEFORE, BUT IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. I THINK FOR MOST OF US CLUB PLAYERS THE CLASSIC WAY IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.
Classic is more enjoyable to watch. Two modern players on clay is very boring
Perfect timing! Was just wondering if I should switch. Played a lot around 16 years ago and finally getting around to playing again. The classic swing is ingrained currently but rackets have come forward so much that a medium swing with a new racket sends the ball rocketing to the fence. Time for a swing overhaul..
Modern or Classic the most important thing for the forehand it's to found the ball on the front of the body...
Start wit classic and the other can evolve . The modern swing resembles the throw from the shortstop to the second baseman to get the runner out
classic tennis elegant beautiful..modern tennis awful.
I’m trying to add modern to my repertoire. Good video, thanks
How about the two handed backhand
Young man you are great analyst
Great video. Thank you
awesome!
I've been learning for a long time and I don't seem to be making any progress. I have a coach and he insists I hit in a particular way but it doesn't help me. I hit a great ball but he says my technique is wrong and ignores the fact that it was a good in court hit. It seems to me that both classic and modern do the job, must there be one right way?
Never question your coach
If you're comfortable with your swing, don't change it. You may however, want to consider, changing your coach.
Good video well done.
Very, very deep
You’re a genius man, really good stuff
Wake up early this morning and watching your video and using your technique in the game today and making a lot of points thanks to you
Thank you for the useful video that I can learn a lot about.
We just uploaded a step practice video with our members, and it would be an honor if you could watch it when you have time.