The Rabbit R1 Doesn't Make Sense
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The Rabbit R1 was announced at CES and has captivated and divided the masses. This is my take on the device and some of the things that just don't make sense to me as a consumer: www.rabbit.tech/
Please oh please..Why would you want to have hundreds of people around you yelling at something trying to get it to do something ?? Teenagers today are bad enough with just a normal phone.
haha, fair point
It’s all fun and games until it orders 1000 pizzas at your door because it hallucinated
Hahaha, oops
I can see the r1 device being very suitable to tourism, events, disability sector, elderly and those who find current smartphone interfaces either to confusing or just now boring. If it integrates well with email like the humane pin thing seemed to do that would be very useful.
We're in "peak AI nonsense" mode right now. Everybody has a start-up, but nobody is talking about the elephant in the room: AI is computationally expensive. Incredibly so. Most of these startups are doomed to fail once the VC runs out. Even the big players, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, Apple, will eventually reach a point where they can't sustain their current cost models and the price will go through the roof when it does. There is a 0% chance something like this survives in the long run.
I thing the general cost to run the models will drop over time. We’re already seeing much smaller models approaching gpt-4 performance , so I’m less concerned about that. But… without a SaaS model or another model with recurring revenue, this isn’t going to work. The economics just aren’t there
Rabbit R1 makes alot of sense for people that consider money as not an issue, and don't want the hassle of clicking on apps to order taxis, book holidays or ordering food and maybe do your taxes for you too. It automates heck out of alot of tasks, so you can focus on other things in life, like enjoying it.
Couldn't you just tell it to do something for you as cheap as possible? Or within a given budget?
It also could make sense to people where money and time is an issue.
Hopefully it could be a genuine assistant that gives you more of a chance to learn and progress on the things that matter most. (single parent with 2 children running and understanding all the utilities of life without going into debt, eldery person with a lack of understanding of sofware or technology, somebody who has started their own business and dosen't have time to research and learn everything or money to employ without being delayed or even stressed).
Sounds like a pipe dream. People been claiming the same thing 20 years ago yet there is no proven concept and I still been waiting foe this gimmick scam product review called Rabbit R-1. You also need a working internet at all time for it which is already a fail
I specifically care that it's not on my phone. I want to be able to have a divorced device that only has access to itself and 1 by 1 the other things. Not my whole phone
Agree, it’s a pro and a con. Pro because it’s separate and secure, and a con because it’s another device to carry with you
So you bought one?
@@namestelattin yup
@@raineyjayy what do u think about it after using it?
@@namestelattin haven't gotten it yet. But I will update you when it comes. Heck, I would make a video, I probably will
Google/ Facebook... they cost nothing, charge nothing and in the beginning didn't even sell a device. Why wouldn't a new paradigm in consumer browsing and information not lead to valuable alternative ad revenue in the least? Also, just the concept, even if it isn't all roses or it fails completely, for a $200 buy in, I'm all in to give it a shot. In the very least it can cause a wave that will spur the biggest players to take notice and innovate faster and create new and hopefully better products.
Competition is a good thing for evolution.
I’ve worked in the adtech industry for the last 20 years. Google and Facebook sell your data to advertisers. That’s their business model.
@@allyourtechai that's my point Rabbit can do the same and likely be very, very profitable if people adopt a new OS and search paradigm.
Just because it is different, does not mean it is a 'Scam' as someone proclaimed above. AI I hope will usher in some new business models too in addition to a voice and visual powered interface. Some deep thinking has gone into this project, it will ofcourse evolve, may even end up as a subscription App for those that don't want to invest in the hardware. This iteration is perhaps the smartest way I have seen this far to capture new and fresh training data for their future models - from an engaged audience. Super smart as data is King in the new world of AI. Take a look at the recent interview of the CEO with Jason Calacanis of This Week in Startups. Some of the smartest people around have ordered this 'toy' ;-)
I saw a live demo last week and it took over 20 seconds to respond. You must perform the inference on the device. Not to say a hardware device wouldn’t work, but I think Apple will be the first to crack it.
@@allyourtechai What's to stop them creating their own App store, primed towards these kind of interactions, and not mediated by Apple/Android.
I mean, lots of App owners - big and small - are not happy with how Apple and Google run things today. It is a tall order for a startup, but it is about time this duopoly was challenged to free up innovation in this space.
Personally, I'd like to see a Decentralised Agentic User Interface emerge in tandem with AI capabilities. Am all in for all kinds of experimentation. The benefits of intuitive human/computer interfaces are obvious, but our data is too valuable to give away to any one company to administer. IMO there is room yet for the Decentralised ideas that spurred on the Blockchain....
People have left excellent comments here, but I do not think it's a scam. The CEO has been involved in this type of work for over a decade. It appears to be his life ambition. I like the comment about it being a divorced device. Isolated from your smartphone, I see it as a positive instead of a negative. The far-field mic combined with the button means you never have to take it out of your pocket to query it. I'd like to see a USB-C video out port or HDMI port to let you use the device with AR glasses such as Rokid. R1 is the first device. An improved R2 or a Pro device can be another revenue source. I love the camera pointing downward for privacy. An upgrade to the latest Bluetooth protocol and 5G would be fantastic.
They may just do what the reMarkable tablet folks did and introduce a subscription for units sold after a certain date. Earlier units remain subscription free as my 3 year old old v1 reMarkable is and it's still getting all the current updates. Eerily adopter reward etc
That’s really the only path forward that I can think of.
This is a good video, and you ask some seriously good questions. I also wondered how without a subscription; The rabbit people were going to keep the money coming in. We'll have to see. I have jumped in and pre ordered a rabbit and I did it with lots of questions floating around in my head. Questions along the line of, how do I get it to learn to interact with an App if it has never heard of it and how do you teach it how to do things? Does it physically sit watching your pc screen to shadow your interactions with a site. In any case, since chat GPT hit the ground running in November 22, I have been looking forward to having a real conversation with a system that understands what I am saying to it. We have a few Alexa speakers dotted around the house and without sounding rude, she is not the sharpest tool in the box. She may be great for opening the blinds turning the lights on and off and bringing the TV to life but every one of the things she controls usually has to have an app working with her to make things happen or a skill. I'm hoping the R1 will be able to bypass all that nonsense and just interact with the device. We are not likely to take delivery of the R1 until March or April. I should imagine that by then it will have a few more interesting features.
Again, thanks for the video. I am looking forward to reading reviews once people start taking delivery. As soon as I know they are out there I will look you up.
You pretty much summed it up. Current assistants aren't very good (to put it mildly). I do think apple will have something major built into iOS 18 from all of the rumors circulating. At that point Google and Amazon are going to be close on their heels. It's exciting to think about what having a REAL assistant will be like. I can't wait to try them all!!!
If you check the interview on "This week in startups" with Jesse at 12:20 he says "we dont require from you. we are not setting up anything or your local. we never do that"
this seems like some sort of Ponzi tbh
they atract as many as possible and one day u suddenly can't connect and that's all
I like that it's a separate device for music. I can see myself using it to search things quickly, and the camera being able to recognize objects just sounds like a fun gimmick. I'd love to have my own personal pokedex . Oh, and as someone trying to learn a new language, I can see this helping with that a lot.
All great use cases, but also all use cases that are better served by the inference hardware built into an iphone :)
The reason you will not find this as an app on current devices is that it would require a complete redesign of an operating system. It is much more difficult to cram new tech into old tech (current operating systems). The R1 had the luxury to build the OS around the LLM, hence the reason for the standalone hardware device. In essence, the new tech here is the OS, and the old tech is the LLM. This is also how they will keep the API calls low. Current OS/Applications are secondary to the primary functions of the operating system. Where in the R1, the API calls are part of operating system's infrastructure, which will allow it to perform more efficiently than modern applications running on restrictive operating systems.
I think they will allow users to create their own LAM rabbit’s for specific use cases, which you can then sell on their App/Rabbit store and they take a cut of the Rabbit sales. That’s how they make money. They own the “App Store” rabbit hole. There are more videos on the Rabbit Discord.
I’m hopeful, just skeptical. I’m glad there are companies pushing boundaries either way
This is giving me major Tamagotchi vibes, but way cooler! Personalized AI with Mediatek power? Sign me up for the beta testing!
It wouldn't be an app, because no developers really want to work with Google or Apple so that all your work would be stolen or copied and then you would give up 40% or all your money for every app sold. You and your user would lose all your privacy and your data would be sold to their partners. $200 is a steal for this functionality and the ability to make my life easier and more robust. I have big plans for this thing and ChatGPT is not cutting it anymore. Just like most of the people in the world, the execution is the biggest problem with any project. It looks inviting to see how this device handles things. It could be great or the worse thing. Only time will tell. Right now I am I am going to be an early adopter of this Model T and see if I will send my GPT horse out to pasture when the time comes. Safe Ai-ING everyone. 🖖
I agree with all of your points. I’ve been an app developer and launching anything in the iOS store is a mess.
I only have two problems with the rabbit.
1) their model is unsustainable. You can’t do this without a saas or some other recurring fee.
2) inference happens on the cloud which is going to be slow.
They can fix both issues and I hope they are thinking about them
Apple’s ai with the shortcuts Will destroy them, and it upsets me.
I think it’s inevitable, and I agree
Apple charges 30 % fee for each app's revenue. So does Google. Rabbit R1 could charge 5 % and gain huge market share.....eventually. The OS would never stop innovating because each use will improve the LAM. It will start small and grow exponentially. Finally something to challenge the duopoly.
That sounds great, I agree, but you still need your phone, so this is a second device you need to carry. They chose not to do the inference on the device so in the real demos it takes over 20 seconds for each response. I’m not convinced that this is the solution everyone thinks it is.
@@allyourtechai Your take is perfect and I expect once people have the device it will lose it's intrigue. The one variable no one can predict is the demand side. Will AI in general begin to carve into social media attention. Will some large company wait until an app market has evolved and buy it - most likely not Apple, Google or Facebook. My bet is Microsoft or maybe even Amazon. I can see a phone-like form called Copilot, running apps automatically behind the scenes.
I could be very wrong too.
Thanks for your channel.
Siri can order food too! the same with alexa...
Can suri create an image for me using midjourney or dalle3 or whichever llm I choose? Can siri click on any button on any website? Just do a little more research to understand the nuance here
you haven't see the video of how it operates without API, hence the device is brilliant and you can tech it to interact with lots of different apps, without api.
I’ve seen it take 20 seconds to respond to basic requests…..
They don’t do this on a phone because they make money from the all the APPS. Phones will never do this.
Perhaps, but I disagree :)
I think it is a scam. I cannot believe the people fall for this. At this point, nobody has seen this device, and the video is 100% fake. There is no business model and if the server goes down you got a 100% useless device. The reason why no one else does it, is not possible at this point in time.
I don't think it's a scam necessarily, but I do agree on the other points. Especially that it just isn't a well thought out business model.
@@allyourtechai I think at this point it is still safe to call it a scam. All we got to see at this point is a guy talking into an orange box. All other views in the video are pre-rendered or taken at a different time. These Videos got stitched together to make it look like real response from the device. I am willing to change my opinion, one someone else than the CEO of the company got this device.
Fair! I didn't pre-order one because i'm skeptical long term. I'll be interested to see the first hand reviews.
@@allyourtechai Lets check back when the Item is out. :-)
You get a year membership of perplexity which is worth $200 so it’s literally free if you were going to pay for perplexity anyways
its priced right imho. its a playful device, a new fresh perspective on how we use devices.
The price is fantastic, it just isn’t sustainable as a business as a result.
It is very obviously an easier (easiest ?) way to build the LAM without a lot of dev work. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I hate voice commands. They suck
There will come a time when they are good and most interactions are voice. We aren’t quite there yet
this will not age too well.
What are your thoughts?
@@allyourtechai no data tracking. No active listening, on your push voice command, no subscription fee, dirt cheap, unique design.
I think we agree on all of those points. My hope is that the company also has a business model to keep the cloud services running because none of that infrastructure needed to support this device is free. It also had an LTE chip and a sim card, so presumably you need a cell phone plan (data plan) in order to use it. Maybe rabbit will sell those to earn money?
@@donaldoarmand212 A Gameboy Clone is far cheaper with better screen and more processing power. And it might turn out that it will be more useful. :-) But seriously. Why can't we just wait until anyone has a working device. Right now it is just one unknown company that claims to have built a device that can do all kind of things that any other company failed to make. I only like to see the device working one time.
I still think Apple is the most likely to pull this off with the new LLM based Siri upgrade around the corner. It makes more sense to have it built into the mobile device. Apple also has the tech to run the LLM in flash memeory instead of VRAM, so they can process the LLM inference locally on the phone for lower latency and a better experience.
Your logic doesn't make any sense - but nice brainstorm, certainly this subject needs it - how about you buy one and share what it really is about?
Explain my flawed logic? My day job is helping large tech companies become profitable