For those curious, I recently did an eleven-hour stream of many different SNES shmups on this list, as well as a couple that were not. Link: ruclips.net/video/qMu2YvHZCZY/видео.html
axelay and super aleste deserve higher spots. plus my 2 favorite shmups on the snes didn't even make the list. parodius and sexy parodius that is. alas sexy parodius was only released in japan.
To be fair however, Space Megaforce had a somewhat bad export for Americans as the original Japanese version actually had an extended intro showing us the pilot, along with the cute anime girl, as well as a similar song to Blue Monday by New Order, along with a FAR better ending sequence compared to the US version.
I love Space Megaforce! Probably my favourite Snes shmup. I just find blowing everything up in that game to be incredibly addicting with the sound design, and I love using the lazer to target everything.
Ohhh yeah! ... I'm 37, i remember finishing it when i was like 12, it took hours! (3:30 or something if i remember well) and i felt dizzy at then end, dizzy and sooo happy! \o/ Lazers for me too!!! all the way!
@@stucazzo2000 Nice bro! I like It because not only It acts as a shield but when locked on a spot in any direction around when upgraded the circles become pretty strong for destroying big enemies and bosses. :)
@@stucazzo2000 As a 2nd go-to weapon I'm always between the laser and the Multiple Shot, maybe because I'm a Gradius fan. But unlike the laser the Multiple needs some upgrades to be good though.
Rendering Ranger R2, Space Megaforce, Axelay, Macross scrambled valkyrie, firepower 2000, cotton %100, Parodius, pop'n twin bee, R-type 3, Spriggan powered, u.n. squadron really, with the japanese exclusives taken into account, the snes has better shmups than genesis, or at least equal. snes most technically impressive shmups have the most action on screen with no slowdown in the most intense moments (nothing touches Rendering Ranger R2's action, and space megaforce, etc) insanely underrated shmup system
Agree! Super Earth Defense Force is great. I understand why someone may like another game better, but it is my personal favorite. Definitely prefer it over Gradius III.
Absolutely. I don't get why people don't like It and even find It so difficult.This game is much more balanced and better designed than Phalanx that people see as forgiving, but I think It's difficult and boring
"An atrocious checkpoint system..." ? What? Once you lose a ship, you restart from the first screen of that level. Replace 'atrocious' with 'nonexistent'.
Super R-Type over R-Type 3? That's insanity. :D I do like SR-T, but I prefer R3 myself as it's pacing is a little better, checkpoints exist, it's graphically a bit better than Super R-Type, and everything in it is exclusive to it. One day I'd like to see you do a list of Japanese shmups for the SFC, MD, and the PCE, stuff like the Twinbees, and the Parodius games, as well as the Cho Anikis really might make for an interesting list. And for the MD, stuff like the Thunder Force games, and Eliminate Down (it's good, but Thunder Force IV devastates it, as well as any other hori on the Genesis, including my beloved Darius II. Fire Shark remains my top vert for the Genesis/MD though).
Yeah, there are a lot of traits of Super R-Type I enjoy more. Things like the graphical style, music style and quality, etc. The checkpoint system is without a doubt an issue, but I've been playing the game for so long it's not an issue for me. I'm planning on eventually getting to a Genesis video, but it's going to be a while. It will be a daunting task.
This is the best format I have seen to cover a genre quickly and effectively. My only wish is that you could have covered all the Japanese titles also or possibly in a separate video to avoid it being too long? I strongly encourage you to do this again. If you do I request you do it for the TG16/PC Engine. Keep up the great work Austin!
+KWKBOX I think there are at least 10 - 15 other releases in Japan at the very least, so it would have been a lot to cover. That, and I'm not super familiar with many of the import-only releases. I'll consider it in the future though as I play more of them.
Personally, I love schmups but Super R-Type is way to slow for me. I like the faster ones way more! A favorite right now is Thunder Force 4 on Genesis!
Since when is Super R-Type way above Axelay!? But i do agree on U.N. Squadron, so no dislikes, and besides, the video quality itself is great, so you're fine ;)
OliKad agree, total robbery of perhaps one of the greatest shooters made for a Gradius wannabe minus the powerful bar. Never cared for R-Type games too much, ya played one, they all pretty much are the same.
I know Genesis is known for it's larger library and better framerate on shootemups, but... I love em on snes. The snes has it's own feel and sound. And since I ain't no pro, the occasional slowdown doesn't bother me, the slower those bullets come flying at me the better.
Nice list Austin. How do you feel about Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie? A friend just sent me the SFC, and I am embarrassed to say, I'd never even played it before. Especially being a big fan of shooters, and there not being a lot of them on the SNES/SFC. Anyway, I searched for it just to get an idea of what to expect and came across this video in the process. From what I can tell it looks really good. I guess I should just give it a shot and see for myself. :)
Nice video. Refreshing to see a list that doesn't have Axelay and Space Megaforce on top. I had the same experiences with each, with Space Megaforce feeling too long and drawn out with special effects that don't really help the game, and with Axelay only being fun for the horizontal parts but not fun enough to deal with the vertical stages.
Axelay and Phalynx are way off on this list, imo, as they are fairly good experiences. Axelay for it's clever use of loadouts as a sort of armor as well as having the best default speed and evasion in shmups on the SNES. Phalanx for the awesome storage of built weapon sets that can be used as bombs to clear the screen, and it also had some of the highest rated music in the genre at the time so dunno about that average comment. Everybody raves about U.N. Squadron, but taking the shmup out of space kills it for me, so not that biga fan though I do agree it's an excellent time killer and plays well. Personally, I agree with Gradius being this high up on the list, but don't know why people prefer R-Type over it so consistently. Find those games to be too long or too unforgiving to casual players so my friends never want to play with me. That's a bummer, and the gameplay isn't as polished as many on this list.
I respect your opinion, this is a very well done top shmups list on the system. Make more videos like this, please! BUT, I have to say, I've noticed a tendency to say that Super Aleste is overrated in general. Today's fashion is to say that Super Aleste is uncool. You have good reasons but... R-type games are only for the hardcore memorizer and not for frantic-bullet-dodger fans. Also, the slowdown issues in Gradius 3 pretty much ruins the experience, you should recommend the PS2 version. All games have its issues, obviously. But Super Aleste in #8 ?? My Compile fanboy heart is broken XD
Yeah, Super Aleste just doesn't "click" with me while the more "thinking man's shooters" like R-Type do. I appreciate the constructive comment, thanks for watching!
Hmmm, Aerofighters is above Space Megaforce here? I think AF is one of the most average shooters for the system. Nice video dude, of course, we have different tastes and is always good to see the opinion of other gamers out there.
+DANMAKUMAN VGM Looking back at it I do wish I had flipped a few around. For instance, move Gradius III and Bio Metal up a spot or two, Aero Fighters and FP2K back a spot or two. I do enjoy AF a good bit more than SMF though. I like the more simplistic, straight-forward arcade feel with fast action that AF provides. I feel like I actually have to keep on my feet in that game, where in SMF I can play lazy and get away with it (among other things). It has just never been very engaging for me. But hey, tastes will differ, and I figured out of anything in the video, SMF and Axelay were going to be the most polarizing. Thanks for watching man!
The Aleste Games are before Gun Nac (Gun Nac in fact is a parody of their own game; Zanac). And that style of gameplay is what defines Compile's shooters from the rest. It's not recycled, it's the company's style.
lightsouthaha I have finished Gun Nac. It's a neat technical showpiece, but honestly, I wasn't a big fan of it. After doing this video, I came to the realization that--asides from MUSHA--I just don't care for the "Compile Style". That's not to say they are bad games, they just aren't for me.
lightsouthaha Aero Fighters does have a pretty distinct gameplay style compared to the Compile shooters. It's possible you may just enjoy that style more.. although I hear you, nostalgia/whatever you played first could definitely be a reason as well. That said, I'd much rather play Aero Fighters as well. But believe it or not, I'd much rather play Space Megaforce than Blazing Lazers. I did a playthrough of both that and SMF and I feel the later holds up much better. Both share many of the same problems ("problems" in my eyes anyway) but SMF does have the edge overall in my opinion.
hahaha Take it easy yo, I played a lot of games from Compile, also more shooters from other companies of course. I really like the style... or recycled stuff, (you can call it the way you want) of Compile shooters, and yeah, its formula was used over and over again, but it's cool enough to entertain me. Not the best from them, that's for sure, but it has more content than AeroFighters IMO.
I actually own almost all of these now, glad to know my collection is almost complete. I do see what you mean when the hardcores come out of the woodwork to drop their opinions of your opinions and explain how you're wrong lol. I think I have a much higher appreciation for Strike Gunner than most growing up with a twin brother. It's also a beginner friendly shmup, good soundtrack, good visuals, yeah it's a little slow but the environments never really repeat and it has a decent story if you read the inst manual. My favorite part is the special weapons. You can pick what you want or find a weapon route to trivialize the bosses. Stage 1 Comrad Fighter Stage 2 Spray Missile Stage 3 Autoaim Vulcan Stage 4 Sonic Wave Stage 5 Atomic Bomb Stage 6 Anti Air Mine Stage 7 Megabeam Cannon Stage 8 Plasma Shield (completely invincible, spam the powerup and you can't die even with going into the walls during the speedup section)
I know you've mentioned the game a bunch recently. I'll have to fire it up again.. and put it on a higher difficulty. I don't think I can manage the toughest, but maybe the second-highest difficulty will still be manageable and make the game more interesting to me.
@@GameplayandTalk I wish it did more than just speed up projectiles and rate of fire for the enemies. I picked up a few games I normally wouldn't have today. I always say I collect any shmup I find but I dismissed a few. I feel I've learned a bit watching your streams, how to adapt to other shmups and find enjoyment where I couldn't before. Iron Tank being a weird one for me but now I kinda dig it. When you get spoiled by things like Jackal or Firepower 2000 it's hard to look at Iron Tank and see anything of value. Or I'm just developing old man appreciation. Edit: Lol, I just realized I commented on this video over a year ago. Must have been when I was hard into Mario Maker. I would watch random stuff on YT but with the Switch getting so many good shmups, ports and collections I can only hope we get a surge or comeback of the genre. There's always indie though. Everspace 2 looking good if you're into open world shmups.
@@BlackBeltGamers88 Having a willingness to spend more than a few minutes with a game definitely helps a lot. Iron Tank is one of those I never put much time into, but want to. So many games, so little time..
I still don't get why a lot of people just seem to under appreciate Strike Gunner S.T.G. There weren't many schmups at that time that 1, had a base weapon powerup system and the variety of secondary weapons while also allowing same screen co op play. Is it the best shooter? No, but, the benefits of Strike Gunner as far as I'm concerned, it's got both easy and hard settings for expert and beginner players, can play with a friend, on top of figuring out the best weapons for boss quick kills. It's no where near as punishing as R-Type or Gradius. It will always be my #1 from my childhood but I'd also still like to see its other note worthy features mentioned once in a while.
When it comes to shmups, I would go with Genesis/Mega Drive over SNES any day. That grunge synthesized music that the Genes Mega Drive has was more fitting for a shmup than the rich sound than the SNES has, the Genesis controller is more fitting because of the bigger buttons, it gives the game more of an Arcade feel.
+D. Will Shmups on the Genesis have a tendency to run faster with less slowdown overall, and they feel snappier too from a control perspective. That's not to say there aren't any sharp shooters on the SNES (on the contrary, there are quite a few), but the Genesis definitely has the edge in this area, as it does with a lot of faster-paced games in general.
+Gameplay and Talk This video opened my eyes to some shmups that i never played that i would like to play like Aero Fighters, Bio Metal and Gradius 3(didn't kno there was an SNES version) . I loved UN Squadron as a kid, and need to check out some more games on this video. I'm still fond to the Genesis when it comes to Shmups. U should do a video on Turbografx 16 shmups.
Response time between the two controllers is similar in same game ports. However, the music thing on Genesis, is hit or miss no matter what game genre you are talking about. SNES had a soundcard that nothing was able to match at the time, hence the incredible difference in music on it vs the competition. I agree that some of the music on Genesis nailed it way better, like the story of two Shadowrun games head to head, in which the Genesis wins super hard in the music department. Gradius 3 has a soundtrack that still makes my hair stand to this day on the SNES. It is better than the original soundtrack on the arcade, imho, though it is lacking a few tracks in our North American release.
Great video. Very well done! I'm going to agree with your entire list here. I've played all of these games (shmups are one of my favorite genres) and you hit the nail on the head regarding all of the titles. Good work!
Personally, I liked Earth Defense Force. It was good, though that's nostalgia talking to me since it was one of my first SNES games XD. As for Darrius Twin and Super Nova, I loved those games. I don't know what it is about them, but I really enjoyed them. The days of playing with my brother and seeing how far we would get still bring a smile to my face. Course, I also remember getting a little mad from the difficultly, but that only added to the charm for me. I've only ever managed to beat Super Nova and Darrius Twin once. Man, are those games hard. Anyway, I have to say this was a great video! I'll be looking forward to more like these!
+RidleyX Darius Twin is kind of the same way for me as EDF is for you. It was the first shmup I owned on the system and so despite the average nature of it I played it a lot and still kind of have a soft spot for it. I remember having to crank the lives all the way up to 9 back in the day in order to be able to finish it, but nowadays it's not that tough for me. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video Austin, I pretty much agree with you on all these games. When you play through each of them, you can pretty much draw similar conclusions at least from my perspective. Anyway man, very nice on the scripting and I really enjoyed the video. Thank you for all your efforts as always and I hope your weekend is good man.
What do you think the hardest shump (on highest level) is for snes? I still say supernova on hard is brutal. Super r type pro mode is no joke either or gradius 3 advanced mode. Also try out macross: scrambled valkyrie if you have't played that
Following up on this, I'd wager Super Nova is probably up there simply based on how tough its normal mode is. Gradius III arcade mode is interesting because I tried it recently and ripped through the first 90% of the game without issue. There are tons of bullets, but man that slowdown just makes it so much easier to deal with. Of course, when I died I was pretty much screwed (Gradius tradition, heh), but I can see this being perfectly doable as long as you don't have to recover in the late game. Space Megaforce also seems uber-challenging on the hardest difficulty, but for irritating reasons--enemies are complete bullet sponges, for instance. Super R-Type does this too on its Hard and Pro modes, but at least your weapons are up to snuff so it's not an issue there. I'll have to put more time into other highest-difficulty levels with these games just to make comparisons.
I was with you for the first three. After that, well, to each his own!! I know Raiden Trad isn't perfect, but I love it. This was fun to watch and very well done. I was shocked at a few, but that makes me want to go back and play them more. Thanks for doing this and I hope to see more. Oh and if you want slow and boring, try the Kidou Senshi Gundam "shooters" on the Super Famicom. Ugh. They almost make me want to play D-Force. Almost.
Brave for putting Axelay and Space Megaforce so low. Super ballsy for putting R-Type III below Super R-Type. Props for putting Firepower 2000 up where it belongs!
I think I have said it in other comments, but honestly I would currently put R-Type III even farther down the list. Super has some objectively odd design choices (no checkpoints), but when you know what to do its level design just flows so well. For me, R-Type III can be a slog in comparison. Love me some Firepower 2K. I need to do a run of that again soon.
Glad I'm not the only one who couldn't get into Space Megaforce. For an Aleste game, MUSHA blows Space Megaforce completely out of the water, but comparing a SNES shmup to a Genesis shmup is kind of unfair since SNES shmups are like the kiddie pool compared to those on Sega's console. Also Axelay deserves better ;_;
I was playing MUSHA and found it to be somewhat boring in comparison to Space Megaforce. I also didn't agree with a lot of the placements in the video, but we all have our preferences. :) And yes, Axelay deserves better. The music audio on that game is so crisp.
@@Vinicius-hs2rf No one was arguing that it's better from a technical point of view. Musha Aleste has better gameplay, better music, a better presentation and a more interesting art direction. It was also very technically impressive for a 1990 Mega Drive game compared to other games released around that time. What Compile managed to accomplish on the SNES where most shmup developers failed is impressive but it isn't without its concessions to keep up its speed.
axelay is actually quite a bit better than it is made out to be in this video. Watch some other reviews about the game, and as an owner of it, as well as all the games on this list, let's say it's at #4 for me. Just my opinion.
05:30 Bio-metal has a unique awful soundtrack for the NA version. The original Japanese has a good musical score that fits the game better. Play that version!
Yes, agreed. While I don't *mind* the NA soundtrack, the Japanese one is far more fitting. I bet the game would be viewed more highly by players if we got the original soundtrack here.
I played Gradius 3 and I really like it. The colour pattern is just right and didn't hurt my eye. The gameplay is also really awesome coupled with kickass music. I didn't mind the slowdown like most people here actually. Didn't bother me at all. Kinda understand why you rate Super R-Type above R-Type III. R-Type III is smooth and awesome but the music is kinda downgraded from Super R-Type and the bosses are such a bullet sponge it's such a drag. Super R-Type is plagued with slowdowns (since the level design is kinda claustrophobic unlike Gradius, slowdown is really deadly here), cruel checkpoints, and the bosses can melt within seconds with just charged shot, but for some reason, I agree Super R-Type is a bit better than R-Type III. We have a same taste here.
Yeah, while Super R-Type has its issues, I just find it to be a much more consistent package than R-Type III. For starters, the levels flow pretty well and the difficulty curve is much smoother overall. It also relies less on rote memorization (compared to R-Type III's Stages 4 and 6) which made learning the levels easier/more enjoyable to me. Like you with Gradius III, I never minded Super R-Type's slowdown. In fact, I think it helps alleviate the fact there basically are no checkpoints on each level and it gives me a lot more time to react to things. The biggest issue is the lack of checkpoints, and that's the biggest hurdle for new players to jump over. If I had to remake this video in 2022, I'd probably put both R-Types lower on the list, but Super R-Type would still be a personal favorite regardless. Anyway, thanks for watching, and I appreciate the constructive comment!
Super R-Type above R-Type III? Unironically, I agree with you with this one. From techincal and level design standpoint, R-Type III is superior (minimum slowdown and fair checkpoint), but I always feel that R-Type III is rather too slowpaced for my liking. I know it's down to taste in the end but R-Type III feels rather bland compared to Super R-Type according to my impression. A lot of Super R-Type stages are the embodiment of chaos that can increase your adrenaline. So much action packed in Super R-Type opposite to extreme memorization in most of the stages in R-Type III. I guess Super R-Type is my kind of fun in a way.
Yeah, I totally agree. R-Type III has some moments of greatness (Stage 2 and 3 are solid with constant action), but many of the other stages are slogs requiring hardcore memorization (4 in particular). Super R-Type has a lot going on in general and is just fun. Reminds me a bit of the first R-Type in that way.
I definitely think Axelay is easily a top 3 game, Darius twins music is definitely not boring but I agree that space megaforce is extremely over rated. I find space megaforce very slow and the constant barrage of power ups become annoying.
I could swear you missed one. I remember this game I played back in the day, horizontal shooter, co-op 2 player, between each level you could each select a power up to use during the level, and they were single time use. Does that ring any bells for anybody? I honestly only watched this video because I thought you might mention it haha. Good vid though, 10/10
+DeanWhipper There's always the possibility I missed one. What you are describing though, nothing rings a bell for me on the SNES unfortunately (the closest thing I can think of is UN Squadron that has a one-time use bomb you can buy, but only the arcade version of it was two-players at the same time). If you find a name for it, let me know, I'd like to check it out.
Of course this is your opinion, but Axelay and Super Aleste should be much higher, and Super R-Type, while very good, cannot be above R-Type 3 (which has close to no slowdown). In Europe we also got the amazing Parodius, and the pretty good Pop'n Twinbee. As for Japanese exclusives, Macross Scrambled Valkirye is a must-play, probably the best shmup for the sytem. Overall I don't think the SNES is so bad for shmups
I'd have Super Aleste/Space Megaforce higher up the list - though I agree the levels go on for too long and some graphical tricks are unnecessary (though level 2 is a great use of Mode 7). Glad to see Firepower 2000/ Super Swiv get some love. I'd move it up the list a bit too. The slowdown in Gradius 3 and Super R-Type just puts me off too much which is a shame. I don't mind some slowdown but it gets a bit excessive especially in Gradius.
Awesome video Austin! Really enjoy the pacing in this one, makes for a pleasant viewing. I never knew Bio Metal originally had different music. What in the world were they thinking when replacing that original soundtrack with those 2 Unlimited tracks??? As good as the video was, my ears did not enjoy the many mentions of the term 'shmup(s)'. It sounds so foul to me, yuck! I've always hated it when people call the gerne that. Might just be me though!
+HalfBlindGamer Thanks, Seb! Glad you enjoyed it.As far as the term, "shmup", yeah--not everyone likes it. I didn't care for it at first, but that was a long time ago. Used to call the games "Shoot 'em ups" anyway, so the term grew on me. I still call them shooters at times, while at others I'll refer to them as shmups (like most people in the shmup/shooter community will call them). :)
I only like aeroforce cause it's top down view. the other games in the list looks pretty neat it's just that I was never a fan of the side scrawling types (not sure if that's the correct term tho) shumps
I haven't seen Parodius...😮...really Better than STG, and many others...for me in the sane position with Bio Metal...One of my favorite!!! Maybe Super RType is an incredible Golden Classic, cause is an exclusive for Snes, and RType 3 is better, just for the ability to improve Pod's Skills...to beat the game!!!! Great video!!!!!!
I think why a lot of people (myself included) put Axelay much higher is the atmosphere the game creates. In the same way Contra 3 will use set piece moments to make you feel like you're really in a sci-fi action movie, Axelay does that with the top down levels. Seeing the tracer fire spurt up in the city level adds layer of immersion you normally don't see in shooters. I respect something like Raiden for its precision gameplay, but Axelay... excites me more. I'm willing to be more forgiving of Space Megaforce's placement, as the game is clearly just an indulgent love letter to those that played Zanac and Blazing Lazers and no one else. It's a Compile thing.. 😛
SMF is my favourite on the SNES and I haven't played Blazing Lazers/Gun Nac. Not a big fan of some the the short levels, but I love the weapon system and it's as smoothe as any SNES shooter I've played. Raiden kind of stinks but I don't hate it. The fact that it's multiplayer makes it kind of ok as not many are. Strike Gunner is as well and runs better...but I just found that one to be even less interesting. Just completely bland. Also not sure how Super R-Type is that high without a lot of nostalgia influencing the decision, the slowdown is among the worst on the system, ruins a lot of the flow and frankly R Type III just seems to fix everything wrong with Super R-Type.
Slowdown was normal for the time and as such it doesn't phase me much. And to be fair, the slowdown in Gradius III is far worse, yet I still thoroughly enjoy it (I rated it nearly as high). In the case of Super R-Type, if you crank the difficulty up, you will be glad the slowdown is there. Comparing it to R-Type 3, yes, they made improvements in that game (checkpoints, better animation, more attack options), but I also feel they regressed in other areas. The visual style shows less consistency and is less gritty overall (bordering on cartoon-like at points), the sound effects package has taken a hit, and some of the stages are slogs to get through. I also don't find most of the music all that memorable. R-Type 3 is really strong at parts, but at others I find it to be a serious case of style over substance, whereas Super R-Type manages to balance that much better overall.
I know I'm late to the party but just had to say your right on. UN squadron was my absolute favorite. When I seen it was your favorite I was so happy and totally agreed. Even your number 2 I totally agreed!!!
I was expecting Axelay to be in a higher position, but I respect your opinion. About Bio Metal soundtrack, the US version has an awful selection of musics indeed, but the japanese soundtrack it's just awesome! It really makes a difference in the gameplay. About Gradius 3, I think its overrated, but I really like the Gradius series in general. Also, I think I consider R-Type 3 better than Super R-Type, but about UN Squadron, I totally agree with it's first position. The game is great, even though I think it is too hard.
Yeah, U.N. Squadron has an extremely rough difficulty spike on the second to last level. Up to that point I have no problems with it difficulty-wise, but that second to last boss is just a major pain to deal with. If I don't defeat it the first or second time I get to it, I usually just power off the game.
R-Type 3 harder than Super R-Type? I dont see how someone could possibly think this, unless you are counting the easy mode you mentioned. My list would be similar but different. I feel like a lot of people who put UN Squadron 1st played it as kids because as someone who didnt it feels entirely average. Also I feel like the bad ports of Raiden and TF3 are put lower because they are bad compared to their originals, but if you only compare them to other SNES shmups they are good. Not amazing but good.
The SNES version actually isn't too bad as long as you are playing it on "Normal". It can get really tough on Hard and the mode that's unlocked after that.
Just watched the whole vid,great stuff. I'm with you on all these apart from I could never get into the Snes port of R-Type (maybe I was just crap at it).
Thanks! I can totally understand why some aren't able to get into Super R-Type. It has one of the highest learning curves of all the shooters on the system.
+Tanerion Oh man.. Survival horror games. Definitely not a strong suit of mine. The video would consist of Resident Evil, Resident Evil.. and, more Resident Evil. Haha.
Gameplay and Talk In that case I recommend you try the Fear Effect and Dino Crisis games. I guess the Parasite Eve games could be considered survival horror to some degree as well. You could also just make a video on all the PSX Resident Evil games (RE3: Nemesis is criminally underrated).
+Alianger I haven't been able to play the MD version (doesn't work on NTSC systems due to region locking), but checking a video, that version looks, sounds and runs considerably worse than the SNES one. FP2K is very smooth and pleasing to look at in comparison--the action looks to be a lot faster too, although that could simply be due to the 50/60hz difference if it wasn't optimized properly for the US release (like many Euro to NA releases).
Omg, I had U.N.Squadron! Never beat it though. It was just way too hard. I did have a friend whose brother beat it for us one time, so at least I got to see the end. Going to have to watch your play through.
Hindsight is a funny thing. So is revisiting games as time goes on. For those that have watched this already, after playing through some of the games on the list, I would re-order the top seven or so. I have finally finished R-Type III (not something I ever thought I would be able to do), and while I am enjoying it more as I complete it repeatedly (I've finished it four times now and have gotten halfway through the Advanced Mode loop), I would kick it back a couple of spots due to the irritation and frustration that comes along with learning it. Most people won't have patience for this and the ranking needs to reflect that. I got a lot of flack for Super R-Type, but its levels are much more open, and while it has brutal checkpoints, it has varying difficulty levels and is much easier to learn overall. I also find its sounds, music and visual style so much more appealing, akin to R-Type II the arcade game that it was somewhat based on. With that, Super R-Type and UN Squadron remain in their current spots in my eyes after giving them repeated playthroughs recently (and Super R-Type in particular is going to get its own new Let's Play on this channel). I gave a little too much credit to Aero Fighters originally and I think I would personally bump that back a few spots too. It's still good, but Gradius III should have been in Spot #3, then BioMetal and Firepower 2000 in the spots after that. They are simply more interesting games than Aero Fighters, which again is still fun, but kind of limited in scope in comparison. Maybe I'd place R-Type III after that thanks to it making the player feel like they are banging their head against a brick wall. And yeah. Sorry to everyone else--Space Megaforce is still boring as hell.
axelay and super aleste deserve better....super r-type and gradius 3 that high?..lol they were quasi launch games with lot of slowdown and hard, unforgiving difficulty level....but if u love them, kudos to you..i own both of them xD btw subbed and like...very good video overall
Bio Metal's American soundtrack is baffling to me on multiple levels. The most obvious one is "what does the music of Euro House act 2 Unlimited have to do with space battles", but the most headscratchy one of all is why in gods name they would've put tunes like that in the version released in a country that has had a very shaky and unfavourable history with electronic music as a whole until the last decade, give or take. In my own opinion, as a fan of electronic music- and especially electronic music from around that period of time- the converions aren't too badly done, nothing spectacular or mind blowing but god knows they could've been worse. And, hell, it's not like stuff like that CAN'T work in a shooter- Viewpoint (the original Arcade version specifically), R-Type Leo, and every DoDonPachi game passed the first two prove that pretty nicely- but the fact that it's recogniseable as something that existed in pop culture first, with no direct ties to what it was being used for, that make it stick out like a sore thumb. It was a license seemingly for licenses' sake. Crue Ball had a similar deal going on, but at the very least E.A. tried to form some sort of connection between the originally independant work Twisted Flipper and the 11th hour license from Motley Crue- it didn't really work in the grand scheme of things, but the minimal effort was there. On the other hand, Activision seemed to be coasting on the idea the game wouldn't sell unless they attatched music by a well-known group to it, damned if it fit. In this case, the one-two punch of music in a style that was massively unpopular in America at the time, and by a group who's only known presence in America outside of the far smaller rave scene would've been as "the guys what done did the Hockey music".
+DeconTheed92 I can't comment on the state of the dance music scene at the time, but I agree that the choice of music was (and still is) baffling. The funny thing is, I don't mind it at parts of the game--it even fits at certain moments. It's weird. But yeah, it was definitely one of those cases of licensing just for the sake of licensing. Ugh.
I have every game in the top 10 except Aero Fighters. I knew I should have picked that game up when it was $100. At the time I just couldn't bring myself to pay that much for a game. For god sake now Chrono Trigger goes for more then that.
I disagree with a lot of stuff actually. I know it’s one man’s opinion, but I feel like you’ve been overly harsh with some games while almost completely ignoring flaws in your favorites.
Yeah, that was mostly the point--sometimes opinions can be taken out of context or misconstrued as fact. Everyone is going to have their preferences, generally mine veer towards what made the top of the list. It's all good though, I appreciate the comment either way!
For those curious, I recently did an eleven-hour stream of many different SNES shmups on this list, as well as a couple that were not. Link: ruclips.net/video/qMu2YvHZCZY/видео.html
thanks for this 19 smups roundup. so little shooters on the snes and so little good shooters! you are so right about Axelay! It could have been great!
DJDanceClassic No problem, thanks for watching.
Super Aleste is the best, you need to learn how to play the mechanics that's all.
You have say all 😉
Space Mega Force should be in the top 3
Axeley is deserving to be much higher.
Axelay is the best.
Karl Walker
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I believe AXELAY is the best on the SNEZ IT uses the system to its limits:)
DARIUS IS STRANGE AT BEST
I love this game
#9 is fine. Some of the weapons your ship has are not any fun.
From worst to ""best"".
Also... wtf, SUPER ALESTE must be N° 1 !
axelay and super aleste deserve higher spots. plus my 2 favorite shmups on the snes didn't even make the list. parodius and sexy parodius that is. alas sexy parodius was only released in japan.
Parodius wasn't released here in the USA either, hence it not being on the list.
Sexy Parodius wasn’t released for the Super Fami. Playstation/Saturn. The Super Famicom got the three previous games.
I don't agree with Space Megaforce being placed so low, but I do agree with your number 1.
To be fair however, Space Megaforce had a somewhat bad export for Americans as the original Japanese version actually had an extended intro showing us the pilot, along with the cute anime girl, as well as a similar song to Blue Monday by New Order, along with a FAR better ending sequence compared to the US version.
I love Space Megaforce! Probably my favourite Snes shmup. I just find blowing everything up in that game to be incredibly addicting with the sound design, and I love using the lazer to target everything.
Ohhh yeah! ... I'm 37, i remember finishing it when i was like 12, it took hours! (3:30 or something if i remember well) and i felt dizzy at then end, dizzy and sooo happy! \o/ Lazers for me too!!! all the way!
My prefer weapon is the Circle
@@3xperiment8 That's probably my 2nd go-to weapon :)
@@stucazzo2000 Nice bro! I like It because not only It acts as a shield but when locked on a spot in any direction around when upgraded the circles become pretty strong for destroying big enemies and bosses. :)
@@stucazzo2000 As a 2nd go-to weapon I'm always between the laser and the Multiple Shot, maybe because I'm a Gradius fan. But unlike the laser the Multiple needs some upgrades to be good though.
macross was a very good shmup too.
Rendering Ranger R2, Space Megaforce, Axelay, Macross scrambled valkyrie, firepower 2000, cotton %100, Parodius, pop'n twin bee, R-type 3, Spriggan powered, u.n. squadron
really, with the japanese exclusives taken into account, the snes has better shmups than genesis, or at least equal. snes most technically impressive shmups have the most action on screen with no slowdown in the most intense moments (nothing touches Rendering Ranger R2's action, and space megaforce, etc) insanely underrated shmup system
Fantastic list! UN Squadron is my all time favorite shmup for SNES. More list videos like this PLEASE.
Glad you enjoyed it despite how ancient the list is!
super e.d.f. is really good imo, the first level music alone makes it worth a try.
Agree! Super Earth Defense Force is great. I understand why someone may like another game better, but it is my personal favorite. Definitely prefer it over Gradius III.
Absolutely. I don't get why people don't like It and even find It so difficult.This game is much more balanced and better designed than Phalanx that people see as forgiving, but I think It's difficult and boring
Super EDF is very underrated
EDF is good. D-Force is unanimously and deserving of the worst SNES Shmup.
"An atrocious checkpoint system..." ? What? Once you lose a ship, you restart from the first screen of that level. Replace 'atrocious' with 'nonexistent'.
Super R-Type over R-Type 3? That's insanity. :D
I do like SR-T, but I prefer R3 myself as it's pacing is a little better, checkpoints exist, it's graphically a bit better than Super R-Type, and everything in it is exclusive to it.
One day I'd like to see you do a list of Japanese shmups for the SFC, MD, and the PCE, stuff like the Twinbees, and the Parodius games, as well as the Cho Anikis really might make for an interesting list. And for the MD, stuff like the Thunder Force games, and Eliminate Down (it's good, but Thunder Force IV devastates it, as well as any other hori on the Genesis, including my beloved Darius II. Fire Shark remains my top vert for the Genesis/MD though).
Yeah, there are a lot of traits of Super R-Type I enjoy more. Things like the graphical style, music style and quality, etc. The checkpoint system is without a doubt an issue, but I've been playing the game for so long it's not an issue for me.
I'm planning on eventually getting to a Genesis video, but it's going to be a while. It will be a daunting task.
This is the best format I have seen to cover a genre quickly and effectively. My only wish is that you could have covered all the Japanese titles also or possibly in a separate video to avoid it being too long? I strongly encourage you to do this again. If you do I request you do it for the TG16/PC Engine. Keep up the great work Austin!
+KWKBOX I think there are at least 10 - 15 other releases in Japan at the very least, so it would have been a lot to cover. That, and I'm not super familiar with many of the import-only releases. I'll consider it in the future though as I play more of them.
Spriggan Powered totally deserves to be in a japanese titles included
Personally, I love schmups but Super R-Type is way to slow for me. I like the faster ones way more! A favorite right now is Thunder Force 4 on Genesis!
What you think of Thunder Spirit on Snes?
U.N is my favorite shmup of all time!
My favorite Shmups on the Snes are:
1. Axelay
2. Marcross Scrambled Valkyrie
3. Super Swiv
Super SWIV FTW!
I can see You're European, mate
Since when is Super R-Type way above Axelay!?
But i do agree on U.N. Squadron, so no dislikes, and besides, the video quality itself is great, so you're fine ;)
OliKad agree, total robbery of perhaps one of the greatest shooters made for a Gradius wannabe minus the powerful bar. Never cared for R-Type games too much, ya played one, they all pretty much are the same.
OliKad or above the superior R-type lll.
since when is super r type above r type 3
I know Genesis is known for it's larger library and better framerate on shootemups, but... I love em on snes. The snes has it's own feel and sound. And since I ain't no pro, the occasional slowdown doesn't bother me, the slower those bullets come flying at me the better.
Hey, try the Gradius 3 brazilian hacked version. It's converted to Fast Rom mode (almost no slowdown). It's insane now :D
Nice list Austin.
How do you feel about Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie?
A friend just sent me the SFC, and I am embarrassed to say, I'd never even played it before. Especially being a big fan of shooters, and there not being a lot of them on the SNES/SFC.
Anyway, I searched for it just to get an idea of what to expect and came across this video in the process.
From what I can tell it looks really good. I guess I should just give it a shot and see for myself. :)
I haven't played it.
Nice video. Refreshing to see a list that doesn't have Axelay and Space Megaforce on top. I had the same experiences with each, with Space Megaforce feeling too long and drawn out with special effects that don't really help the game, and with Axelay only being fun for the horizontal parts but not fun enough to deal with the vertical stages.
Great video, Austin! Well paced, solid, and you bring the points without being condensending; also, you were quite enthusiastic!
+PinMike Thanks man!
Axelay and Phalynx are way off on this list, imo, as they are fairly good experiences. Axelay for it's clever use of loadouts as a sort of armor as well as having the best default speed and evasion in shmups on the SNES. Phalanx for the awesome storage of built weapon sets that can be used as bombs to clear the screen, and it also had some of the highest rated music in the genre at the time so dunno about that average comment. Everybody raves about U.N. Squadron, but taking the shmup out of space kills it for me, so not that biga fan though I do agree it's an excellent time killer and plays well. Personally, I agree with Gradius being this high up on the list, but don't know why people prefer R-Type over it so consistently. Find those games to be too long or too unforgiving to casual players so my friends never want to play with me. That's a bummer, and the gameplay isn't as polished as many on this list.
Why do you americans all ways want us to believe Raiden is the best shump ever made when there is so much more?
own axelay, its good
I respect your opinion, this is a very well done top shmups list on the system. Make more videos like this, please! BUT, I have to say, I've noticed a tendency to say that Super Aleste is overrated in general. Today's fashion is to say that Super Aleste is uncool. You have good reasons but... R-type games are only for the hardcore memorizer and not for frantic-bullet-dodger fans. Also, the slowdown issues in Gradius 3 pretty much ruins the experience, you should recommend the PS2 version.
All games have its issues, obviously. But Super Aleste in #8 ?? My Compile fanboy heart is broken XD
Yeah, Super Aleste just doesn't "click" with me while the more "thinking man's shooters" like R-Type do. I appreciate the constructive comment, thanks for watching!
biometal soundtrack is pure 90's techno. 2unlimited
Hmmm, Aerofighters is above Space Megaforce here?
I think AF is one of the most average shooters for the system.
Nice video dude, of course, we have different tastes and is always good to see the opinion of other gamers out there.
+DANMAKUMAN VGM Looking back at it I do wish I had flipped a few around. For instance, move Gradius III and Bio Metal up a spot or two, Aero Fighters and FP2K back a spot or two. I do enjoy AF a good bit more than SMF though. I like the more simplistic, straight-forward arcade feel with fast action that AF provides. I feel like I actually have to keep on my feet in that game, where in SMF I can play lazy and get away with it (among other things). It has just never been very engaging for me. But hey, tastes will differ, and I figured out of anything in the video, SMF and Axelay were going to be the most polarizing. Thanks for watching man!
The Aleste Games are before Gun Nac (Gun Nac in fact is a parody of their own game; Zanac). And that style of gameplay is what defines Compile's shooters from the rest. It's not recycled, it's the company's style.
lightsouthaha I have finished Gun Nac. It's a neat technical showpiece, but honestly, I wasn't a big fan of it. After doing this video, I came to the realization that--asides from MUSHA--I just don't care for the "Compile Style". That's not to say they are bad games, they just aren't for me.
lightsouthaha Aero Fighters does have a pretty distinct gameplay style compared to the Compile shooters. It's possible you may just enjoy that style more.. although I hear you, nostalgia/whatever you played first could definitely be a reason as well. That said, I'd much rather play Aero Fighters as well. But believe it or not, I'd much rather play Space Megaforce than Blazing Lazers. I did a playthrough of both that and SMF and I feel the later holds up much better. Both share many of the same problems ("problems" in my eyes anyway) but SMF does have the edge overall in my opinion.
hahaha Take it easy yo,
I played a lot of games from Compile, also more shooters from other companies of course. I really like the style... or recycled stuff, (you can call it the way you want) of Compile shooters, and yeah, its formula was used over and over again, but it's cool enough to entertain me. Not the best from them, that's for sure, but it has more content than AeroFighters IMO.
God damn right U.N. Squadron is #1
I actually own almost all of these now, glad to know my collection is almost complete. I do see what you mean when the hardcores come out of the woodwork to drop their opinions of your opinions and explain how you're wrong lol. I think I have a much higher appreciation for Strike Gunner than most growing up with a twin brother. It's also a beginner friendly shmup, good soundtrack, good visuals, yeah it's a little slow but the environments never really repeat and it has a decent story if you read the inst manual. My favorite part is the special weapons. You can pick what you want or find a weapon route to trivialize the bosses.
Stage 1 Comrad Fighter
Stage 2 Spray Missile
Stage 3 Autoaim Vulcan
Stage 4 Sonic Wave
Stage 5 Atomic Bomb
Stage 6 Anti Air Mine
Stage 7 Megabeam Cannon
Stage 8 Plasma Shield (completely invincible, spam the powerup and you can't die even with going into the walls during the speedup section)
I know you've mentioned the game a bunch recently. I'll have to fire it up again.. and put it on a higher difficulty. I don't think I can manage the toughest, but maybe the second-highest difficulty will still be manageable and make the game more interesting to me.
@@GameplayandTalk I wish it did more than just speed up projectiles and rate of fire for the enemies. I picked up a few games I normally wouldn't have today. I always say I collect any shmup I find but I dismissed a few. I feel I've learned a bit watching your streams, how to adapt to other shmups and find enjoyment where I couldn't before. Iron Tank being a weird one for me but now I kinda dig it. When you get spoiled by things like Jackal or Firepower 2000 it's hard to look at Iron Tank and see anything of value. Or I'm just developing old man appreciation.
Edit: Lol, I just realized I commented on this video over a year ago. Must have been when I was hard into Mario Maker. I would watch random stuff on YT but with the Switch getting so many good shmups, ports and collections I can only hope we get a surge or comeback of the genre. There's always indie though. Everspace 2 looking good if you're into open world shmups.
@@BlackBeltGamers88 Having a willingness to spend more than a few minutes with a game definitely helps a lot. Iron Tank is one of those I never put much time into, but want to. So many games, so little time..
@@GameplayandTalk My collection just passed 450 games. Building entertainment for retirement :D in 30 years.
UN Squadron is my all time shmup in all systems. Plus was my second game with super Mario world when my dad send it to me when I lived in Mexico.
I still don't get why a lot of people just seem to under appreciate Strike Gunner S.T.G. There weren't many schmups at that time that 1, had a base weapon powerup system and the variety of secondary weapons while also allowing same screen co op play. Is it the best shooter? No, but, the benefits of Strike Gunner as far as I'm concerned, it's got both easy and hard settings for expert and beginner players, can play with a friend, on top of figuring out the best weapons for boss quick kills. It's no where near as punishing as R-Type or Gradius. It will always be my #1 from my childhood but I'd also still like to see its other note worthy features mentioned once in a while.
When it comes to shmups, I would go with Genesis/Mega Drive over SNES any day. That grunge synthesized music that the Genes Mega Drive has was more fitting for a shmup than the rich sound than the SNES has, the Genesis controller is more fitting because of the bigger buttons, it gives the game more of an Arcade feel.
+D. Will Shmups on the Genesis have a tendency to run faster with less slowdown overall, and they feel snappier too from a control perspective. That's not to say there aren't any sharp shooters on the SNES (on the contrary, there are quite a few), but the Genesis definitely has the edge in this area, as it does with a lot of faster-paced games in general.
+Gameplay and Talk This video opened my eyes to some shmups that i never played that i would like to play like Aero Fighters, Bio Metal and Gradius 3(didn't kno there was an SNES version) . I loved UN Squadron as a kid, and need to check out some more games on this video. I'm still fond to the Genesis when it comes to Shmups. U should do a video on Turbografx 16 shmups.
D. Will Awesome! I'm glad the video was able to help you out. I think I will eventually tackle a Genesis and Turbografx video.
Response time between the two controllers is similar in same game ports. However, the music thing on Genesis, is hit or miss no matter what game genre you are talking about. SNES had a soundcard that nothing was able to match at the time, hence the incredible difference in music on it vs the competition. I agree that some of the music on Genesis nailed it way better, like the story of two Shadowrun games head to head, in which the Genesis wins super hard in the music department. Gradius 3 has a soundtrack that still makes my hair stand to this day on the SNES. It is better than the original soundtrack on the arcade, imho, though it is lacking a few tracks in our North American release.
Great video. Very well done! I'm going to agree with your entire list here. I've played all of these games (shmups are one of my favorite genres) and you hit the nail on the head regarding all of the titles. Good work!
Thanks!
Personally, I liked Earth Defense Force. It was good, though that's nostalgia talking to me since it was one of my first SNES games XD. As for Darrius Twin and Super Nova, I loved those games. I don't know what it is about them, but I really enjoyed them. The days of playing with my brother and seeing how far we would get still bring a smile to my face. Course, I also remember getting a little mad from the difficultly, but that only added to the charm for me. I've only ever managed to beat Super Nova and Darrius Twin once. Man, are those games hard. Anyway, I have to say this was a great video! I'll be looking forward to more like these!
+RidleyX Darius Twin is kind of the same way for me as EDF is for you. It was the first shmup I owned on the system and so despite the average nature of it I played it a lot and still kind of have a soft spot for it. I remember having to crank the lives all the way up to 9 back in the day in order to be able to finish it, but nowadays it's not that tough for me. Thanks for watching!
I agree that Super EDF should be higher!
EDF's soundtrack is boring?
EDF has one of my favorite SNES and arcade soundtracks.
To me, yes. Glad to hear you enjoy it though. :)
IDK I get strong Sonic CD vibes from it, which is probably why I like it so much
Super R-Type is considered vastly inferior to the later shmups
I quite like this video!! Please do more in this format!
+CMM1215 Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. :)
Awesome video Austin, I pretty much agree with you on all these games. When you play through each of them, you can pretty much draw similar conclusions at least from my perspective. Anyway man, very nice on the scripting and I really enjoyed the video. Thank you for all your efforts as always and I hope your weekend is good man.
+Deadly Gaming LV (Deadly Groove) Thanks for watching as always, man!
gradius 3 was one of my child hood games loved it.
What do you think the hardest shump (on highest level) is for snes? I still say supernova on hard is brutal. Super r type pro mode is no joke either or gradius 3 advanced mode. Also try out macross: scrambled valkyrie if you have't played that
Not sure, I haven't played enough of them on the hardest modes to be able to judge properly.
Following up on this, I'd wager Super Nova is probably up there simply based on how tough its normal mode is. Gradius III arcade mode is interesting because I tried it recently and ripped through the first 90% of the game without issue. There are tons of bullets, but man that slowdown just makes it so much easier to deal with. Of course, when I died I was pretty much screwed (Gradius tradition, heh), but I can see this being perfectly doable as long as you don't have to recover in the late game. Space Megaforce also seems uber-challenging on the hardest difficulty, but for irritating reasons--enemies are complete bullet sponges, for instance. Super R-Type does this too on its Hard and Pro modes, but at least your weapons are up to snuff so it's not an issue there. I'll have to put more time into other highest-difficulty levels with these games just to make comparisons.
You make some great vids! Very good commentary and editing. Keep it up!!
+beefcurtainz69 Thanks for checking this out, beef!
I was with you for the first three. After that, well, to each his own!! I know Raiden Trad isn't perfect, but I love it. This was fun to watch and very well done. I was shocked at a few, but that makes me want to go back and play them more. Thanks for doing this and I hope to see more. Oh and if you want slow and boring, try the Kidou Senshi Gundam "shooters" on the Super Famicom. Ugh. They almost make me want to play D-Force. Almost.
Slow and boring? Haha.. that's like kryptonite to me. Thanks for the comment!
You are way underrating Axelay. Unpopular opinion: Space Megaforce belongs in its place in the rankings. It's exceedingly average.
Imperium has such kick ass music. 🙌🏼
Great video, really like the format. Just what I was looking for. Thanks
Thanks!
Brave for putting Axelay and Space Megaforce so low. Super ballsy for putting R-Type III below Super R-Type. Props for putting Firepower 2000 up where it belongs!
I think I have said it in other comments, but honestly I would currently put R-Type III even farther down the list. Super has some objectively odd design choices (no checkpoints), but when you know what to do its level design just flows so well. For me, R-Type III can be a slog in comparison. Love me some Firepower 2K. I need to do a run of that again soon.
Hell yeah un squadron is the #1 shoot em up on snes
8--Space Megaforce.
Opinions discarded.
Glad I'm not the only one who couldn't get into Space Megaforce. For an Aleste game, MUSHA blows Space Megaforce completely out of the water, but comparing a SNES shmup to a Genesis shmup is kind of unfair since SNES shmups are like the kiddie pool compared to those on Sega's console.
Also Axelay deserves better ;_;
yeah space megaforce is the worst of the Aleste series, which are generally pretty cool games. Love Robo Aleste and Aleste 2!
Muscha is weird game. Space Megaforce totally owns it
I was playing MUSHA and found it to be somewhat boring in comparison to Space Megaforce. I also didn't agree with a lot of the placements in the video, but we all have our preferences. :)
And yes, Axelay deserves better. The music audio on that game is so crisp.
It's not a great Aleste game but it's great by Super Nintendo shmup standards.
@@Vinicius-hs2rf No one was arguing that it's better from a technical point of view. Musha Aleste has better gameplay, better music, a better presentation and a more interesting art direction. It was also very technically impressive for a 1990 Mega Drive game compared to other games released around that time. What Compile managed to accomplish on the SNES where most shmup developers failed is impressive but it isn't without its concessions to keep up its speed.
I was looking for a new shmup to buy.
I'll get Axelay, it looks very original.
Great video thank you :)
+Jean audette No problem, glad I could help. Enjoy the game!
axelay is actually quite a bit better than it is made out to be in this video. Watch some other reviews about the game, and as an owner of it, as well as all the games on this list, let's say it's at #4 for me. Just my opinion.
05:30 Bio-metal has a unique awful soundtrack for the NA version. The original Japanese has a good musical score that fits the game better. Play that version!
Yes, agreed. While I don't *mind* the NA soundtrack, the Japanese one is far more fitting. I bet the game would be viewed more highly by players if we got the original soundtrack here.
The japanese soundtrack fits the game. It could be better though.
Cheers! Great video, just what I was looking for.
I get pumped when I hear the biometal soundtrack
I played Gradius 3 and I really like it. The colour pattern is just right and didn't hurt my eye. The gameplay is also really awesome coupled with kickass music. I didn't mind the slowdown like most people here actually. Didn't bother me at all.
Kinda understand why you rate Super R-Type above R-Type III. R-Type III is smooth and awesome but the music is kinda downgraded from Super R-Type and the bosses are such a bullet sponge it's such a drag. Super R-Type is plagued with slowdowns (since the level design is kinda claustrophobic unlike Gradius, slowdown is really deadly here), cruel checkpoints, and the bosses can melt within seconds with just charged shot, but for some reason, I agree Super R-Type is a bit better than R-Type III. We have a same taste here.
Yeah, while Super R-Type has its issues, I just find it to be a much more consistent package than R-Type III. For starters, the levels flow pretty well and the difficulty curve is much smoother overall. It also relies less on rote memorization (compared to R-Type III's Stages 4 and 6) which made learning the levels easier/more enjoyable to me. Like you with Gradius III, I never minded Super R-Type's slowdown. In fact, I think it helps alleviate the fact there basically are no checkpoints on each level and it gives me a lot more time to react to things. The biggest issue is the lack of checkpoints, and that's the biggest hurdle for new players to jump over. If I had to remake this video in 2022, I'd probably put both R-Types lower on the list, but Super R-Type would still be a personal favorite regardless. Anyway, thanks for watching, and I appreciate the constructive comment!
Super R-Type above R-Type III? Unironically, I agree with you with this one. From techincal and level design standpoint, R-Type III is superior (minimum slowdown and fair checkpoint), but I always feel that R-Type III is rather too slowpaced for my liking.
I know it's down to taste in the end but R-Type III feels rather bland compared to Super R-Type according to my impression. A lot of Super R-Type stages are the embodiment of chaos that can increase your adrenaline. So much action packed in Super R-Type opposite to extreme memorization in most of the stages in R-Type III.
I guess Super R-Type is my kind of fun in a way.
Yeah, I totally agree. R-Type III has some moments of greatness (Stage 2 and 3 are solid with constant action), but many of the other stages are slogs requiring hardcore memorization (4 in particular). Super R-Type has a lot going on in general and is just fun. Reminds me a bit of the first R-Type in that way.
Very nice video Austin. I agree with your choice for number one. One of my favorite games on the SNES. :)
I definitely think Axelay is easily a top 3 game, Darius twins music is definitely not boring but I agree that space megaforce is extremely over rated. I find space megaforce very slow and the constant barrage of power ups become annoying.
I could swear you missed one.
I remember this game I played back in the day, horizontal shooter, co-op 2 player, between each level you could each select a power up to use during the level, and they were single time use.
Does that ring any bells for anybody?
I honestly only watched this video because I thought you might mention it haha. Good vid though, 10/10
+DeanWhipper There's always the possibility I missed one. What you are describing though, nothing rings a bell for me on the SNES unfortunately (the closest thing I can think of is UN Squadron that has a one-time use bomb you can buy, but only the arcade version of it was two-players at the same time). If you find a name for it, let me know, I'd like to check it out.
Haha alright I'll see what I can dig up.
Cheers for the reply
+Gameplay and Talk Haha I'm an idiot. I went and did more research.
The game I remember was Super Strike Gunner haha.
You win this round!
DeanWhipper Ahaha.. It's all good. :)
Of course this is your opinion, but Axelay and Super Aleste should be much higher, and Super R-Type, while very good, cannot be above R-Type 3 (which has close to no slowdown). In Europe we also got the amazing Parodius, and the pretty good Pop'n Twinbee. As for Japanese exclusives, Macross Scrambled Valkirye is a must-play, probably the best shmup for the sytem. Overall I don't think the SNES is so bad for shmups
I'd have Super Aleste/Space Megaforce higher up the list - though I agree the levels go on for too long and some graphical tricks are unnecessary (though level 2 is a great use of Mode 7). Glad to see Firepower 2000/ Super Swiv get some love. I'd move it up the list a bit too. The slowdown in Gradius 3 and Super R-Type just puts me off too much which is a shame. I don't mind some slowdown but it gets a bit excessive especially in Gradius.
Awesome video Austin! Really enjoy the pacing in this one, makes for a pleasant viewing.
I never knew Bio Metal originally had different music. What in the world were they thinking when replacing that original soundtrack with those 2 Unlimited tracks???
As good as the video was, my ears did not enjoy the many mentions of the term 'shmup(s)'. It sounds so foul to me, yuck! I've always hated it when people call the gerne that. Might just be me though!
+HalfBlindGamer Thanks, Seb! Glad you enjoyed it.As far as the term, "shmup", yeah--not everyone likes it. I didn't care for it at first, but that was a long time ago. Used to call the games "Shoot 'em ups" anyway, so the term grew on me. I still call them shooters at times, while at others I'll refer to them as shmups (like most people in the shmup/shooter community will call them). :)
Parodius is worth mentioning here.
I only like aeroforce cause it's top down view. the other games in the list looks pretty neat it's just that I was never a fan of the side scrawling types (not sure if that's the correct term tho) shumps
I haven't seen Parodius...😮...really Better than STG, and many others...for me in the sane position with Bio Metal...One of my favorite!!!
Maybe Super RType is an incredible Golden Classic, cause is an exclusive for Snes, and RType 3 is better, just for the ability to improve Pod's Skills...to beat the game!!!!
Great video!!!!!!
I think why a lot of people (myself included) put Axelay much higher is the atmosphere the game creates. In the same way Contra 3 will use set piece moments to make you feel like you're really in a sci-fi action movie, Axelay does that with the top down levels. Seeing the tracer fire spurt up in the city level adds layer of immersion you normally don't see in shooters. I respect something like Raiden for its precision gameplay, but Axelay... excites me more.
I'm willing to be more forgiving of Space Megaforce's placement, as the game is clearly just an indulgent love letter to those that played Zanac and Blazing Lazers and no one else. It's a Compile thing.. 😛
SMF is my favourite on the SNES and I haven't played Blazing Lazers/Gun Nac. Not a big fan of some the the short levels, but I love the weapon system and it's as smoothe as any SNES shooter I've played.
Raiden kind of stinks but I don't hate it. The fact that it's multiplayer makes it kind of ok as not many are. Strike Gunner is as well and runs better...but I just found that one to be even less interesting. Just completely bland.
Also not sure how Super R-Type is that high without a lot of nostalgia influencing the decision, the slowdown is among the worst on the system, ruins a lot of the flow and frankly R Type III just seems to fix everything wrong with Super R-Type.
Slowdown was normal for the time and as such it doesn't phase me much. And to be fair, the slowdown in Gradius III is far worse, yet I still thoroughly enjoy it (I rated it nearly as high). In the case of Super R-Type, if you crank the difficulty up, you will be glad the slowdown is there. Comparing it to R-Type 3, yes, they made improvements in that game (checkpoints, better animation, more attack options), but I also feel they regressed in other areas. The visual style shows less consistency and is less gritty overall (bordering on cartoon-like at points), the sound effects package has taken a hit, and some of the stages are slogs to get through. I also don't find most of the music all that memorable. R-Type 3 is really strong at parts, but at others I find it to be a serious case of style over substance, whereas Super R-Type manages to balance that much better overall.
Lots of respect for recognizing that Space Mega Force really isn't all that.
I know I'm late to the party but just had to say your right on. UN squadron was my absolute favorite. When I seen it was your favorite I was so happy and totally agreed. Even your number 2 I totally agreed!!!
I was expecting Axelay to be in a higher position, but I respect your opinion. About Bio Metal soundtrack, the US version has an awful selection of musics indeed, but the japanese soundtrack it's just awesome! It really makes a difference in the gameplay. About Gradius 3, I think its overrated, but I really like the Gradius series in general. Also, I think I consider R-Type 3 better than Super R-Type, but about UN Squadron, I totally agree with it's first position. The game is great, even though I think it is too hard.
Yeah, U.N. Squadron has an extremely rough difficulty spike on the second to last level. Up to that point I have no problems with it difficulty-wise, but that second to last boss is just a major pain to deal with. If I don't defeat it the first or second time I get to it, I usually just power off the game.
I agree with this list. Space Megaforce isn't all that and the main sprite looks like it was drawn by a 5 year old.
i like gradius and r-tipe, but I'm not so tolerant with slowdowns in shoot n' up games. My favorites are axelay, space megaforce and u.n. squadron.
What about Rendering Ranger R2?
R-Type 3 harder than Super R-Type? I dont see how someone could possibly think this, unless you are counting the easy mode you mentioned.
My list would be similar but different. I feel like a lot of people who put UN Squadron 1st played it as kids because as someone who didnt it feels entirely average. Also I feel like the bad ports of Raiden and TF3 are put lower because they are bad compared to their originals, but if you only compare them to other SNES shmups they are good. Not amazing but good.
gradius 3 is ridiculous hard
The SNES version actually isn't too bad as long as you are playing it on "Normal". It can get really tough on Hard and the mode that's unlocked after that.
Just watched the whole vid,great stuff. I'm with you on all these apart from I could never get into the Snes port of R-Type (maybe I was just crap at it).
Thanks! I can totally understand why some aren't able to get into Super R-Type. It has one of the highest learning curves of all the shooters on the system.
For me 1: super aleste 2: super r type 3: parodius
How about a video on survival horror games on the PSX?
EDIT: And I dare you to make a video on all the shooters on PC Engine :)
+Tanerion Oh man.. Survival horror games. Definitely not a strong suit of mine. The video would consist of Resident Evil, Resident Evil.. and, more Resident Evil. Haha.
Gameplay and Talk In that case I recommend you try the Fear Effect and Dino Crisis games. I guess the Parasite Eve games could be considered survival horror to some degree as well.
You could also just make a video on all the PSX Resident Evil games (RE3: Nemesis is criminally underrated).
Whats your oppinion on Parodius? I think it's one of the best on the system.
I think it's great. A real shame it wasn't in my region. :(
Yeah sadly you missed out on a few good games like that in the NA region. In exchange you get diamonds like Megaman Soccer hahahaha
Great video but Skippy is flying through your list wondering why Fox isn't showing up
starfox is not a shmup.
Star Fox falls under the "on-rails shooter" genre, alongside others like Panzer Dragoon, Novastorm, Soul Star, parts of Vanark, etc.
Is SWIV/FP 2000 better than on the MD/GEN? I wasn't very impressed by that version.
+Alianger I haven't been able to play the MD version (doesn't work on NTSC systems due to region locking), but checking a video, that version looks, sounds and runs considerably worse than the SNES one. FP2K is very smooth and pleasing to look at in comparison--the action looks to be a lot faster too, although that could simply be due to the 50/60hz difference if it wasn't optimized properly for the US release (like many Euro to NA releases).
Woo hoooo!! My favorite shoot 'em up on place #1 =)
By the way I think Super Aleste should be on #1 too, a close tie :)
Omg, I had U.N.Squadron! Never beat it though. It was just way too hard. I did have a friend whose brother beat it for us one time, so at least I got to see the end. Going to have to watch your play through.
Cat and Caboodle You don't get the proper ending until you beat the game on hardest difficulty with all pilots
super r-type above r-type 3
are you ok?
Nice video, I'd add a much deserved mention for Super Aleste (Space Megaforce in the USA), by Toho.
Hindsight is a funny thing. So is revisiting games as time goes on. For those that have watched this already, after playing through some of the games on the list, I would re-order the top seven or so. I have finally finished R-Type III (not something I ever thought I would be able to do), and while I am enjoying it more as I complete it repeatedly (I've finished it four times now and have gotten halfway through the Advanced Mode loop), I would kick it back a couple of spots due to the irritation and frustration that comes along with learning it. Most people won't have patience for this and the ranking needs to reflect that. I got a lot of flack for Super R-Type, but its levels are much more open, and while it has brutal checkpoints, it has varying difficulty levels and is much easier to learn overall. I also find its sounds, music and visual style so much more appealing, akin to R-Type II the arcade game that it was somewhat based on. With that, Super R-Type and UN Squadron remain in their current spots in my eyes after giving them repeated playthroughs recently (and Super R-Type in particular is going to get its own new Let's Play on this channel). I gave a little too much credit to Aero Fighters originally and I think I would personally bump that back a few spots too. It's still good, but Gradius III should have been in Spot #3, then BioMetal and Firepower 2000 in the spots after that. They are simply more interesting games than Aero Fighters, which again is still fun, but kind of limited in scope in comparison. Maybe I'd place R-Type III after that thanks to it making the player feel like they are banging their head against a brick wall.
And yeah. Sorry to everyone else--Space Megaforce is still boring as hell.
Gameplay and Talk good compendium, iLiked!
Honesty feels good. :)
"Space Megaforce is still boring as hell". AMEN
Question: Why no Vshmups on this list? Super Star Soldier is a fairly solid game but gets no mention here.
@@ravensquote7206 Super star soldier was pc engine lol
Raiden IS the best shooter ever made. I've been trying to tell people this. They don't get it. There's no SHMUP better. THANK YOU!
Super R-Type was such a disappointment. Should have been swapped with Space Megaforce. Plus Axelay and Gradius 3 should have been swapped as well.
Great list! Thanks! Maybe do another shmup list for the SNES focusing on overseas titles.
+DcsOrCity It's a possibility. Thanks for watching!
Please do same video for genesis shmups
I am planning on it, eventually. It may be a while before I get to it.
and for the Sega Saturn! :)
aero fighters in my opinion should be rank at 1...very good graphics great music
bio metal soundtrack is awesome.
If Parodious had gotten a North American release, where would you put it on this hypothetical list of 20? Where would you wedge it in if you could?
I'd probably put it pretty high up. Top 5? Top 8? I'm not quite sure. I do enjoy the game but don't enjoy it as much as traditional Gradius games.
Awesome stuff!
axelay and super aleste deserve better....super r-type and gradius 3 that high?..lol they were quasi launch games with lot of slowdown and hard, unforgiving difficulty level....but if u love them, kudos to you..i own both of them xD btw subbed and like...very good video overall
Bio Metal's American soundtrack is baffling to me on multiple levels. The most obvious one is "what does the music of Euro House act 2 Unlimited have to do with space battles", but the most headscratchy one of all is why in gods name they would've put tunes like that in the version released in a country that has had a very shaky and unfavourable history with electronic music as a whole until the last decade, give or take.
In my own opinion, as a fan of electronic music- and especially electronic music from around that period of time- the converions aren't too badly done, nothing spectacular or mind blowing but god knows they could've been worse. And, hell, it's not like stuff like that CAN'T work in a shooter- Viewpoint (the original Arcade version specifically), R-Type Leo, and every DoDonPachi game passed the first two prove that pretty nicely- but the fact that it's recogniseable as something that existed in pop culture first, with no direct ties to what it was being used for, that make it stick out like a sore thumb. It was a license seemingly for licenses' sake. Crue Ball had a similar deal going on, but at the very least E.A. tried to form some sort of connection between the originally independant work Twisted Flipper and the 11th hour license from Motley Crue- it didn't really work in the grand scheme of things, but the minimal effort was there. On the other hand, Activision seemed to be coasting on the idea the game wouldn't sell unless they attatched music by a well-known group to it, damned if it fit. In this case, the one-two punch of music in a style that was massively unpopular in America at the time, and by a group who's only known presence in America outside of the far smaller rave scene would've been as "the guys what done did the Hockey music".
+DeconTheed92 I can't comment on the state of the dance music scene at the time, but I agree that the choice of music was (and still is) baffling. The funny thing is, I don't mind it at parts of the game--it even fits at certain moments. It's weird. But yeah, it was definitely one of those cases of licensing just for the sake of licensing. Ugh.
I have every game in the top 10 except Aero Fighters. I knew I should have picked that game up when it was $100. At the time I just couldn't bring myself to pay that much for a game. For god sake now Chrono Trigger goes for more then that.
Yeah, I've kicked myself on more than a few occasions because of how much prices have risen.. Aero Fighters being a prime example. Ugh.
Too bad Capcom didn’t made Carrier Airwing for Snes back then..it was a great arcade shooter!
Have you done one for super famicom Japanese only shmups?
I have not.
"thunder spirits soundtrack is ok" ... ok
I disagree with a lot of stuff actually. I know it’s one man’s opinion, but I feel like you’ve been overly harsh with some games while almost completely ignoring flaws in your favorites.
I find the flaws in my favorites tolerable, and my perceived flaws in other games not so tolerable. Sorry.
It’s fine. Your video format was meant to quickly showcase each game with an overview of your opinion right?
I get worked up over nothing sometimes...
Yeah, that was mostly the point--sometimes opinions can be taken out of context or misconstrued as fact. Everyone is going to have their preferences, generally mine veer towards what made the top of the list. It's all good though, I appreciate the comment either way!