Now this is one intelligent woman whom Americans would seriously consider if she were to run for President, not the dumb ones that popped into the arena in the last 12 years.
“I am perfectly capable of batting the odd hand from my knee, so please give me back the old days when book writing was great fun”. Yes! “The purpose of art is not to do good” Exactly! The purpose of art is to express one’s thoughts, talents, abilities or imagination, good, bad or indifferent---whatever it may be. An excellent speech!
Burning books is not ok no matter what i don't know what y'all idiots are thinking. You combat stupidity with reason and contra points not with censorship. And there is nothing wrong with porn duh
Finally a voice of reason. The crucial point here is that when it comes to art, there is no such thing anymore nowadays. The whole purpose of art is to make one think, seeing things from a different perspective, and this can only be done by "breaking the rules". And to think it's only going to get worse, so much worse...
When Shriver spoke about all the misreporting about her speech, I was reminded of a quote that's attributed to Mark Twain, something to the effect of: "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has gotten its boots on." And that was long before the internet!
Well said Ms Shriver. It is a sad reflection of the times in which we live that you are displaying considerable courage in speaking out in this way. It is much appreciated by the sane populations.
what she says at the end is so true - it reminds of that situation when some person in your environment, generally of marginal or negligible importance to you, starts some silly vendetta against you, and suddenly you realise that you are spending half your life thinking or talking about someone who 5 minutes ago barely entered your mind - and at some point you understand that was the whole point: this person has succeeded in thrusting themselves centre stage in your life, taking over your attention: - you have been tricked. sometimes it's better to just ignore people and trust that eventually they will be crushed by the weight of their own fatuity.
Jane Howard - Aaaarrrggghhhh! Sonofabitch and thank you for saying that. I should have kicked myself some time ago but I “have been tricked”, as you said and quite rightly so. The irony of this journey is now complete. Thank you again for that little pearl, Jane. I really mean it :) Hope you have a good new year because I think mine will be better for what you’ve said
Absolutely. If they've been able to make you think about them unduly, then they've won --and you may never have known you were fighting, why, or even what about.
I might be gay, but I'm still in love. She's marvellously precise here. I adore her for articulating a refusal to be pigeon-holed into a 'box' labelled' identity'. I dislike intensely the 'as a gay man' phrase. The fact that I'm gay isn't the most interesting thing about me, and as someone who has lived for years in China (despite growing up in the UK), I adore cultural appreciation. Power to Ms Shriver.
Lionel Shriver hits the nail on the head when she says “it’s the ailment of prosperity”. I say this as a mixed race Russian Korean woman whose Korean ancestors were forced into The former Soviet Union during the time of gulags and Stalin rule. Despite this event in history none of us hold hostility to our new land. My ancestors adapted to survive and they did it so well Stalin forced a second wave of this experiment into Siberia. Again they survived and yet many of us intermixed with Russians and have families and new generations with no ambivalence or resentment. So when I hear this dim witted new enervation of social justice warriors (sadly my generation of millennials) talk about their feelings and their identity crises and change the social fabric of our society with their idiotic politics full of ignorance, zero reason, and no critical thinking I just get livid! I saw my parents and grandparents live through the Soviet Russian regime and let me say what happening to our freedom of speech, the censorship, the demonizing isn’t any different than what started happening in Lenin Russia just prior to the revolution! This is the beginning of Marxism regime!
Alexandra Golovenko Many of us have parents, grandparents, etc who went through horrific things we can’t even imagine. My grandma got married and had her first child the year after the Great Depression began - that’s something these kids wouldn’t be able to handle. It is definitely because they’ve had an easy life. That combined with actual well-intentioned good faith social justice work that actually seeks to right the wrongs. This latest generation or two is much more sensitive to what they see is wrong with the world. It’s playing out in both productive and unproductive ways. The worst is what we’re discussing here. This will pass. Rapid social change always has temporary chaos. These kids will age out of immaturity, society will grow tired of their nonsense, and we’ll get some sanity restored. Thanks for your post.
An intelligent and eloquent woman, who should be adored by every woman and girl who wants to fight for women's rights, instead she's been demonized. Go figure.
Jack Croatan Lots of people have been demonized by this, has nothing to do with her intelligence. It will pass. These cultural skirmishes tend to happen every couple decades and then stabilize again.
You don't have to sexualize it. She's just a good speaker, not a good woman speaker, or good speaker for women. I'm a guy, and I didn't take it that reductively at all.
I'm an author who feels exactly the same was as Lionel Shriver. I'm an art historian, US expat living in Italy who specializes in historical fiction set in Italy. There's NO WAY I would sacrifice historical content or my freedom to create in order to appeal neo-liberal fascists. NEVER. I lived under oppression and censorship throughout my childhood (for 20 years!!!), and I vowed that NO ONE WOULD EVER SILENCE ME AGAIN.
Since writing truth matters more to me than success or money, I have no choice but to self-publish these days because I cannot follow modern orthadoxy. My 2016 dystopean novel "This Broken Land" was written to deliberately explore what happens when political correctness goes too far. It'll never set the world on fire - but was deeply satisfying to write.
At last. A true voice of reason from a wonderfully intelligent woman. I wish more people would actually listen to what she saying. Maybe then people can return to some kind of sanity in this world. I believe people are better than what’s going on just now. Just misguided by ideological nutters. Take on Lionels overarching message and the world can be a better place. Brilliant stuff Lionel. 👏👏👏
It's true, but it doesn't happen overnight. The less you push back, the more little nibbles the hyenas take until there's no freedom left and by the time you finally decide enough's enough, it's already too late.
What an interesting, well-constructed talk. This woman is clearly playing with the audience, throwing tidbits to their vulnerabilities while simultaneously laughing in their faces at their need for reassurance. It’s no wonder they all went quiet towards the end when the hard truths started piling on... - "Better that we all conduct our work and social lives in the spirit of sharing, generosity, exploration, curiosity, experimentation - and even willingness to fail, in our sincere efforts to understand one another." - "You can only dispense with silly rules by breaking them, and any freedoms that you don’t exercise you are bound to lose" - "Both writers and readers need to feel free to explore the unseemly underbelly of our imaginations. After all, aren’t books the ultimate safe space?" - “For me, the biggest trap of this identity politics lark has been getting lured into debating a proposition that’s unworthy of my address”. Game set and match! Though of course Tom Switzer was too drunk to notice...
Lionel Shriver is fabulous, as always ! A rallying point for common sense and sanity, in a world high on it's own definition of piety and self-importance. Never give up Lionel !!
Banning art is like banning thoughts. We should always allow expression to provoke thought and conversation. Our thoughts cannot be silenced so they are best expressed through art to allow their burdens to release the shackles of our pain. Either that or go to a shrink who ends up reporting their patients to the authority anyways
It's not uncommon at all for a woman of African American descent to wear the scalped hair of an Indian girl, bleach it in part as if she were a Caucasian who spent all of her time at the beach and then scream at people about 'cultural appropriation'.
Holy edict from the woke left------An author may only write characters from their race and background. The same woke left-----Every show should include diverse characters to represent every imaginable group identity. How could a writer do that without breaking their holy edict?
Each intersectional character shall have a corresponding intersectional author. And in the case of performance, each intersectional character shall have a corresponding intersectional actor.
Or worse: LEFT: The right hates science. also LEFT: Chromosomes don't matter when it comes to sex/gender. (see how I used sex and gender interchangeably. The correct way.)
Well we can heave a sigh of relief, because anybody "holy" enough would never get anything done that was not entirely and only composed of one race and background, and any attempt at diversity as far as collaborating with others would disappear and dissolve into a howling screeching mess of something resembling a chorus of scorched cats. Which thankfully, would redeem us all from the horrible prospect of having to endure such shivering correctness altogether.
That's the point - it's not meant to make sense!! They reject objectivity in knowledge. I even heard a Leftie nutter say Western education is an example of White supremacy😂😂😂
Insidious, down-the-rabbit-hole woke dogma must be resisted, and Lionel is doing a great job of calling out woke ideology for what it is-the enemy of imagination. More of this please!
I don't agree with her economics, but I'm liking this lady more and more. Sharp and to the point, often witty, and someone who still has the temerity to put forward the ideas that we treat each other as people acting in good faith, entitled to our opinions both ethically and legally, and are above petty vindictiveness and the desire to not just disagree, but destroy.
How refreshing to hear verbalised that which I've been actively told to suppress. There is hope for this world when bold people point out that the emperor indeed has no clothes on.
This is the only thing my university has put on the syllabus that doesn't screech leftism and force acceptance of other people's ridiculous sensibilities. What a breath of fresh air to see a writer stand up for their right to their own creativity and not pander to the snowflakes. Whilst I do feel it's necessary to approach cultures outside of their own with a degree of tact and good research, it seems a writer cannot win. If they write characters outside of their own experience they're 'appropriating someone's culture', if they do not then they aren't being 'inclusive'.
Exactly! That's how I feel about the label movements, 'damned if you do damned if you don't' as the saying goes. If you are colorblind you're lying racist. If you notice color you're a regular racist, but still a racist. If you don't acknowledge someone's sexual identity or preference you are phobic. If you do you are ignorant, but only if you say or ask something they don't like. The list goes on and on, including cultural "appropriation" (I don't know if I spelt that right) versus cultural appreciation when it comes to representation in art, literature, and media. I need to stop now, since this topic has given me a headache with it's wishy-washy content. Lol 🤷🏼♀️
The catastrophe Lionel Shriver requested has arrived, but sadly nothing's changed. I'm afraid these postmodern underpinnings are more deeply rooted across all discourse for them to be simply blown away. Alas.
Any Adult author, or adult for that matter that accuses someone of a "micro aggression" deserves to be ignored or scoffed at, to say the least. "Not one author in England supports the Brexit." What a bunch of ignoramuses and tools.
... or "cowards," as Ms. Shriver implies that many authors do back Brexit, but are scared of the negative career (and other) consequences for doing so.
Being in a group of other commenters who I think would allow someone to say something that they may not wholeheartedly agree with, I find LIONAL SHRIVER very attractive. I also wish I had the command of the English language as she does. Thanks.
36:05 “I fear that what may be required is some sort of catastrophe and I hope I don’t have to unleash the bacteria myself...”. That catastrophe was COVID-19 + George Floyd death; at more than half a billion USD, it was a shake-down for identity politics practitioners
Political correctness is the antidote of free speech. Political correctness is killing the varieties of human soul. Yes, this sounds familier in the last century. The problem is not how and what do you think, it is about how to communicate.
The bit about breaking the rules took me back to the 80's. The Conservatives tried to censor comics, when the money headed Lady Thatcher was being influenced to instill more traditional values; Boy you could buy some offensive comics then, it was like everyone pulled out the stops. Mad to think it is the Left who are now the new puritans!
Think "writers should write whatever they choose and let readers read whatever they like" cause do not think any one or group has ability enough to judge for the world what to read or not.
Cultural appropriation is a hilariously simple form of envy. And honestly, it frustrates me to no end that we now admire weakness and indignation, and punish strength and creativity.
Ahh, true 'journalism' at it's best, those reporting on Lionel Shriver's earlier speaking engagement that is. Chinese whispers anyone? As for the content of this is spot on!! Lionel Shriver, I think, would do much more research when she writes, than the journalist who have reported on her.
The repression spoken of here hit me for the first time over twenty years ago. When I spoke up about it, the denial and accusations of 'having a chip on my shoulder', while the knife's plunged into my reputation and income came with increasing regularity. As a white male having to deal with feminist ideology in our legal system, the consensus was that it was justified in light of patriarchy repressing women. How the chickens have come home to roost. Now that it is effecting larger sections of the population, I must admit that I am enjoying the response. The answer is not to laugh it off but to clean out the root cause. Feminism took a nasty turn and its poison has spread to the humanities. THEY ALL NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN, CLEANED OUT and started again.
I keep saying we need the zombie Apocalypse soon...it will wipe out all the whining and suffering of the “woke” morons. Wonderful presentation by Lionel Shriver.
I hardly know where to begin - but I certainly know where to end. If Lionel's critique of current conditions surrounding the fictionally creative were to reach their logical conclusion, there would very soon be nothing left to read, worth the effort. Except for a new age of non-fiction, in which the din and roar of good writers who don't give a good goddamn about appropriating anything, cultural or otherwise, proceeding to gnaw voraciously upon the vitals of a great beast grown fat, lazy and incredibly stupid upon its own dubious privileges granted by fools and idiots. Good fiction was my meat and drink without which I would have intellectually starved to death even as a mere child, in life. We are presently to believe that this charming pastime should now go out of the world. Good writers no more. Only correct ones. And good luck with that. A free and fearless imagination is a terrible thing to waste.
What a phenomenon is Lionel Shriver. If I weren't an avowed atheist, I'd be tempted to start a Lionel Shriver Worship Cult. Feel free to 'Appropriate' my idea (I'm a 'Person Of Whiteness' myself but I don't care what colour you are: 'The Lionel Shriver Worship Cult' idea is free for anyone to appropriate.)
Lionel, to be slagged off by the ridiculous agony rag The Guardian, is an honour. They have nobody who writes even nearly as well as you do. The Guardian is utter, hysterical crap
I flippen love the way Lionel Shriver straight talks and how she sees through the muddle of identity politics. She marches to her own drum.
Now this is one intelligent woman whom Americans would seriously consider if she were to run for President, not the dumb ones that popped into the arena in the last 12 years.
“I am perfectly capable of batting the odd hand from my knee, so please give me back the old days when book writing was great fun”. Yes! “The purpose of art is not to do good” Exactly! The purpose of art is to express one’s thoughts, talents, abilities or imagination, good, bad or indifferent---whatever it may be. An excellent speech!
“Cutting-edge artists were once famously transgressive; now to be cutting edge is to be cookie cutter” damn thats a great line
I feel like Shriver is someone worth standing beside on the barricades. She is superb!
Growing up in Germany we always wondered how book burnings could have happened... No more questions, Your Honour!
i expect we're doomed to see it again
Burning books is not ok no matter what i don't know what y'all idiots are thinking. You combat stupidity with reason and contra points not with censorship.
And there is nothing wrong with porn duh
We?
Finally a voice of reason. The crucial point here is that when it comes to art, there is no such thing anymore nowadays. The whole purpose of art is to make one think, seeing things from a different perspective, and this can only be done by "breaking the rules". And to think it's only going to get worse, so much worse...
"I wasn't hurt or in pain. I was pissed off!" My favorite author!!
When Shriver spoke about all the misreporting about her speech, I was reminded of a quote that's attributed to Mark Twain, something to the effect of: "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has gotten its boots on." And that was long before the internet!
He was a phenomenon when it came to pithy lines like that. He has so many of them! And they're so timeless, and delivered in such a natural way.
Well said Ms Shriver. It is a sad reflection of the times in which we live that you are displaying considerable courage in speaking out in this way. It is much appreciated by the sane populations.
I would add also the educated element of our population still capable of independent deep critical thinking.
what she says at the end is so true - it reminds of that situation when some person in your environment, generally of marginal or negligible importance to you, starts some silly vendetta against you, and suddenly you realise that you are spending half your life thinking or talking about someone who 5 minutes ago barely entered your mind - and at some point you understand that was the whole point: this person has succeeded in thrusting themselves centre stage in your life, taking over your attention: - you have been tricked. sometimes it's better to just ignore people and trust that eventually they will be crushed by the weight of their own fatuity.
Jane Howard - Aaaarrrggghhhh!
Sonofabitch and thank you for saying that. I should have kicked myself some time ago but I “have been tricked”, as you said and quite rightly so. The irony of this journey is now complete. Thank you again for that little pearl, Jane. I really mean it :) Hope you have a good new year because I think mine will be better for what you’ve said
Jane Howard They wouldn’t even know if she was thinking about them or not. I’ve heard claims like this before but it makes no sense.
Absolutely. If they've been able to make you think about them unduly, then they've won --and you may never have known you were fighting, why, or even what about.
I might be gay, but I'm still in love. She's marvellously precise here. I adore her for articulating a refusal to be pigeon-holed into a 'box' labelled' identity'. I dislike intensely the 'as a gay man' phrase. The fact that I'm gay isn't the most interesting thing about me, and as someone who has lived for years in China (despite growing up in the UK), I adore cultural appreciation. Power to Ms Shriver.
Lionel Shriver hits the nail on the head when she says “it’s the ailment of prosperity”. I say this as a mixed race Russian Korean woman whose Korean ancestors were forced into The former Soviet Union during the time of gulags and Stalin rule. Despite this event in history none of us hold hostility to our new land. My ancestors adapted to survive and they did it so well Stalin forced a second wave of this experiment into Siberia. Again they survived and yet many of us intermixed with Russians and have families and new generations with no ambivalence or resentment. So when I hear this dim witted new enervation of social justice warriors (sadly my generation of millennials) talk about their feelings and their identity crises and change the social fabric of our society with their idiotic politics full of ignorance, zero reason, and no critical thinking I just get livid! I saw my parents and grandparents live through the Soviet Russian regime and let me say what happening to our freedom of speech, the censorship, the demonizing isn’t any different than what started happening in Lenin Russia just prior to the revolution! This is the beginning of Marxism regime!
Alexandra Golovenko Many of us have parents, grandparents, etc who went through horrific things we can’t even imagine. My grandma got married and had her first child the year after the Great Depression began - that’s something these kids wouldn’t be able to handle.
It is definitely because they’ve had an easy life. That combined with actual well-intentioned good faith social justice work that actually seeks to right the wrongs.
This latest generation or two is much more sensitive to what they see is wrong with the world. It’s playing out in both productive and unproductive ways. The worst is what we’re discussing here.
This will pass. Rapid social change always has temporary chaos. These kids will age out of immaturity, society will grow tired of their nonsense, and we’ll get some sanity restored.
Thanks for your post.
@@filminginportland1654 how nice to see a positive spin...couldn't agree more and I hope you're right.
Fascinating story. Thank you for your comment. I feel more people need to see it!
An intelligent and eloquent woman, who should be adored by every woman and girl who wants to fight for women's rights, instead she's been demonized. Go figure.
Jack Croatan Lots of people have been demonized by this, has nothing to do with her intelligence. It will pass. These cultural skirmishes tend to happen every couple decades and then stabilize again.
😂😂
You don't have to sexualize it. She's just a good speaker, not a good woman speaker, or good speaker for women. I'm a guy, and I didn't take it that reductively at all.
I'm an author who feels exactly the same was as Lionel Shriver. I'm an art historian, US expat living in Italy who specializes in historical fiction set in Italy. There's NO WAY I would sacrifice historical content or my freedom to create in order to appeal neo-liberal fascists. NEVER. I lived under oppression and censorship throughout my childhood (for 20 years!!!), and I vowed that NO ONE WOULD EVER SILENCE ME AGAIN.
Since writing truth matters more to me than success or money, I have no choice but to self-publish these days because I cannot follow modern orthadoxy. My 2016 dystopean novel "This Broken Land" was written to deliberately explore what happens when political correctness goes too far. It'll never set the world on fire - but was deeply satisfying to write.
At last. A true voice of reason from a wonderfully intelligent woman. I wish more people would actually listen to what she saying.
Maybe then people can return to some kind of sanity in this world.
I believe people are better than what’s going on just now. Just misguided by ideological nutters.
Take on Lionels overarching message and the world can be a better place.
Brilliant stuff Lionel. 👏👏👏
Most people are sheep and don’t think for themselves. Critical thinking is dead!
“Cutting-edge artists were once famously transgressive; now to be cutting edge means being cookie cutter” damn thats a great line
Brave writer. We need a hero. This lady shows us the way. She is a hero.
"Any freedom you don't exercise you will loose." I love that
It's true, but it doesn't happen overnight. The less you push back, the more little nibbles the hyenas take until there's no freedom left and by the time you finally decide enough's enough, it's already too late.
I just love this woman👍👏👏
Me too and I also love your profile pic, what an awesome dog! ♥️🐕
You mean, in a BDSM sort of way?
Free speech is what writers utilise to express their ideas so good on you for standing up for what matters Lionel.
What an interesting, well-constructed talk. This woman is clearly playing with the audience, throwing tidbits to their vulnerabilities while simultaneously laughing in their faces at their need for reassurance. It’s no wonder they all went quiet towards the end when the hard truths started piling on...
- "Better that we all conduct our work and social lives in the spirit of sharing, generosity, exploration, curiosity, experimentation - and even willingness to fail, in our sincere efforts to understand one another."
- "You can only dispense with silly rules by breaking them, and any freedoms that you don’t exercise you are bound to lose"
- "Both writers and readers need to feel free to explore the unseemly underbelly of our imaginations. After all, aren’t books the ultimate safe space?"
- “For me, the biggest trap of this identity politics lark has been getting lured into debating a proposition that’s unworthy of my address”.
Game set and match! Though of course Tom Switzer was too drunk to notice...
Just read this..
Thanks, I was searching for one of these quotes.👍🏻👍🏻
Lionel Shriver is fabulous, as always !
A rallying point for common sense and sanity, in a world high on it's own definition of piety and self-importance. Never give up Lionel !!
Banning art is like banning thoughts. We should always allow expression to provoke thought and conversation. Our thoughts cannot be silenced so they are best expressed through art to allow their burdens to release the shackles of our pain. Either that or go to a shrink who ends up reporting their patients to the authority anyways
Thank you for this,,,,this is actual Liberalism which i am,,,,,logic ,,sensibilty,,,understanding
How many years before Shakespeare's banned and off the shelf then? Within 10 years is my guess.
@Isa Don't speak nonsense. He's the left's god.
Perhaps the Merchant of Venice a little earlier.
@@bernardguynunns5658 Yes, that and 'Othello' will be first to go.
Isa Why would they ban Marx?
Bernard Guy Nunns Far from all leftists/liberals/progressives are fans of Marx. The majority are not.
Perfectly describing the madness and 2,0 facism. Thank you Iionel
Why is it that when non-Europeans do cultural appropriation, they never get called on it?
Because they get laughed at instead!
It's not uncommon at all for a woman of African American descent to wear the scalped hair of an Indian girl, bleach it in part as if she were a Caucasian who spent all of her time at the beach and then scream at people about 'cultural appropriation'.
that's cultural imperialism. It's always the west's fault.
The microphone adjustment bit is awesome.
Bravo, Lionel! You've vanquished the dullards and the drones.
We are heading beyond 1984.
Not heading but are
Dont worry, you wont be allowed to read it soon. Protagonist is not progressive enough.
Superb! Thank you for voicing exactly how I feel about all of this.
Holy edict from the woke left------An author may only write characters from their race and background.
The same woke left-----Every show should include diverse characters to represent every imaginable group identity.
How could a writer do that without breaking their holy edict?
Each intersectional character shall have a corresponding intersectional author. And in the case of performance, each intersectional character shall have a corresponding intersectional actor.
Or worse:
LEFT: The right hates science.
also
LEFT: Chromosomes don't matter when it comes to sex/gender. (see how I used sex and gender interchangeably. The correct way.)
Well we can heave a sigh of relief, because anybody "holy" enough would never get anything done that was not entirely and only composed of one race and background, and any attempt at diversity as far as collaborating with others would disappear and dissolve into a howling screeching mess of something resembling a chorus of scorched cats. Which thankfully, would redeem us all from the horrible prospect of having to endure such shivering correctness altogether.
That's the point - it's not meant to make sense!! They reject objectivity in knowledge. I even heard a Leftie nutter say Western education is an example of White supremacy😂😂😂
A writer may not write anything. problem solved!
We're no longer living in GuardianWorld. Lionel knows this, Douglas Murray, so many others know this. Good thing too.
Insidious, down-the-rabbit-hole woke dogma must be resisted, and Lionel is doing a great job of calling out woke ideology for what it is-the enemy of imagination. More of this please!
I don't agree with her economics, but I'm liking this lady more and more. Sharp and to the point, often witty, and someone who still has the temerity to put forward the ideas that we treat each other as people acting in good faith, entitled to our opinions both ethically and legally, and are above petty vindictiveness and the desire to not just disagree, but destroy.
Brilliant! My neck hurts from nodding so much.
I agree with the actual reality that political correctness, wokeness is an abomination!
Shriver is the bomb! Bravo!!!!
Starts at 4:17
How refreshing to hear verbalised that which I've been actively told to suppress. There is hope for this world when bold people point out that the emperor indeed has no clothes on.
Thank you for this... good for her
This is the only thing my university has put on the syllabus that doesn't screech leftism and force acceptance of other people's ridiculous sensibilities. What a breath of fresh air to see a writer stand up for their right to their own creativity and not pander to the snowflakes. Whilst I do feel it's necessary to approach cultures outside of their own with a degree of tact and good research, it seems a writer cannot win. If they write characters outside of their own experience they're 'appropriating someone's culture', if they do not then they aren't being 'inclusive'.
Exactly! That's how I feel about the label movements, 'damned if you do damned if you don't' as the saying goes.
If you are colorblind you're lying racist. If you notice color you're a regular racist, but still a racist. If you don't acknowledge someone's sexual identity or preference you are phobic. If you do you are ignorant, but only if you say or ask something they don't like. The list goes on and on, including cultural "appropriation" (I don't know if I spelt that right) versus cultural appreciation when it comes to representation in art, literature, and media.
I need to stop now, since this topic has given me a headache with it's wishy-washy content. Lol 🤷🏼♀️
God damn this was good.
A joy to listen to such an articulate speaker.
You’re an absolute Star !
This is a very powerful 🙌🏽 lady 👏 and I wish her all the best 👍
Soooo much truth!!!!
How have I never heard of her!?!?! She is AMAZING!!!!!
I find Lionel immensely attractive ..
@Senior El Zappo,
I definitely don't. 😏
Senior El zappo. .i agree...
The catastrophe Lionel Shriver requested has arrived, but sadly nothing's changed. I'm afraid these postmodern underpinnings are more deeply rooted across all discourse for them to be simply blown away. Alas.
If in your mind cultural appropriation was brand new in 2016, you cherish solid rock as a blanket.
aaahh I get it now, this is where “lived experience” has come from. Lionel I’m inhaling your thoughts and words thank you!
Shriver is so right absolute stupidity is becoming the norm and its unacceptable!
Any Adult author, or adult for that matter that accuses someone of a "micro aggression" deserves to be ignored or scoffed at, to say the least. "Not one author in England supports the Brexit." What a bunch of ignoramuses and tools.
... or "cowards," as Ms. Shriver implies that many authors do back Brexit, but are scared of the negative career (and other) consequences for doing so.
@@jackcovey1832 This is what happens when you don't have a constitution and the reason America has got to more then ever fight for there's!
It would be the end of most of their careers.
Being in a group of other commenters who I think would allow someone to say something that they may not wholeheartedly agree with, I find LIONAL SHRIVER very attractive. I also wish I had the command of the English language as she does. Thanks.
What a wonderfully smart woman. ;-)
I don't care about the Looney left I will carry on saying what I think in any words I choose. If lefties don't like it TOUGH.
36:05 “I fear that what may be required is some sort of catastrophe and I hope I don’t have to unleash the bacteria myself...”. That catastrophe was COVID-19 + George Floyd death; at more than half a billion USD, it was a shake-down for identity politics practitioners
28:04 The Guardian already refers to fishermen as "Fishers", LS might mention this further on anyway but if I'll forget if I don't mention it now.
The most courageous woman in the Western WORLD
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Political correctness is the antidote of free speech. Political correctness is killing the varieties of human soul. Yes, this sounds familier in the last century. The problem is not how and what do you think, it is about how to communicate.
The bit about breaking the rules took me back to the 80's. The Conservatives tried to censor comics, when the money headed Lady Thatcher was being influenced to instill more traditional values; Boy you could buy some offensive comics then, it was like everyone pulled out the stops. Mad to think it is the Left who are now the new puritans!
Back in the days of early Robert Crumb, too. I remember reading a comic with a story containing, and I think titled, "Chickenf***ers."
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 Robert Crumb is in a class of his own! Did you see the Big Foot comic? It was full on, so I brought it into school!
Think "writers should write whatever they choose and let readers read whatever they like" cause do not think any one or group has ability enough to judge for the world what to read or not.
Being rejected by 30 publishers is simply normal. As I understand most authors who don't have a name /reputation already get rejected a lot
Cultural appropriation is a hilariously simple form of envy. And honestly, it frustrates me to no end that we now admire weakness and indignation, and punish strength and creativity.
Ahh, true 'journalism' at it's best, those reporting on Lionel Shriver's earlier speaking engagement that is. Chinese whispers anyone? As for the content of this is spot on!! Lionel Shriver, I think, would do much more research when she writes, than the journalist who have reported on her.
Lionel Shriver…I am deeply in love with this women’s mindset. Just discover her. Today!
She is refreshing. I’ll call her, Truella Deville!
Wonderful.
The repression spoken of here hit me for the first time over twenty years ago.
When I spoke up about it, the denial and accusations of 'having a chip on my shoulder', while the knife's plunged into my reputation and income came with increasing regularity. As a white male having to deal with feminist ideology in our legal system, the consensus was that it was justified in light of patriarchy repressing women. How the chickens have come home to roost.
Now that it is effecting larger sections of the population, I must admit that I am enjoying the response.
The answer is not to laugh it off but to clean out the root cause. Feminism took a nasty turn and its poison has spread to the humanities. THEY ALL NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN, CLEANED OUT and started again.
Thank you for your thoughts
Sod the Union both the EU & the UK...ENGLISH INDEPENDENCE will sort out this BREXIT Debacle & ruffle a few feathers!
I keep saying we need the zombie Apocalypse soon...it will wipe out all the whining and suffering of the “woke” morons. Wonderful presentation by Lionel Shriver.
Great stuff.
I hardly know where to begin - but I certainly know where to end.
If Lionel's critique of current conditions surrounding the fictionally creative were to reach their logical conclusion, there would very soon be nothing left to read, worth the effort.
Except for a new age of non-fiction, in which the din and roar of good writers who don't give a good goddamn about appropriating anything, cultural or otherwise, proceeding to gnaw voraciously upon the vitals of a great beast grown fat, lazy and incredibly stupid upon its own dubious privileges granted by fools and idiots.
Good fiction was my meat and drink without which I would have intellectually starved to death even as a mere child, in life.
We are presently to believe that this charming pastime should now go out of the world.
Good writers no more. Only correct ones. And good luck with that.
A free and fearless imagination is a terrible thing to waste.
Every word a gem!
Great speech! Keep up the illumination of logic over the Social Justice Wackos.
Great lecture !
Great Lady x
What a phenomenon is Lionel Shriver. If I weren't an avowed atheist, I'd be tempted to start a Lionel Shriver Worship Cult. Feel free to 'Appropriate' my idea (I'm a 'Person Of Whiteness' myself but I don't care what colour you are: 'The Lionel Shriver Worship Cult' idea is free for anyone to appropriate.)
32:28 I had to applause that point even though I’m driving at work.
Cultural Appropriation is the sincerest form of honor
WE ARE ALL ELEMENTS IN OTHER PEOPLES LANDSCAPES. SO WELL SAID
Commodification of Identity. Bullseye, dead on! ---Ideological predation, that's another good one.
Brilliant.
Brilliant speech
WONDERFUL!!!
Did she predict coronavirus at 36:50? I would not want to Lionel Shriver mad at me.
I nearly skipped this video when I saw CIS. Supposedly that means something else in this current toxic environment.
Lionel, to be slagged off by the ridiculous agony rag The Guardian, is an honour. They have nobody who writes even nearly as well as you do. The Guardian is utter, hysterical crap
If I could give this 1000 likes i would.
Genius. (UC Berkeley ‘94)
This is terrific
Can someone adjust those mics for her please? Thanks.
With the chronically outraged, not knowing what you're talking about is more than an advantage, it's a necessity.
I find her strikingly beautiful. In a regal, sophisticated and feminine way.
Brilliant!!!
36.05 .....Well now we have our catastrophe, lets see !!
On point and true