I started developing my fibro symptoms almost immediately after I finally got out of my abusive situation I grew up on. 😢 It’s like I wasn’t allowed to get away truly. But, I have a wonderful doctor now finally who is helping me. Cymbalta is the first thing to really tackle my major pain.
I had trauma from my first marriage to a factory farmer, it was 51 years ago and I can still hear those cows crying for their babies and the drama of their death, I lived there for 5 years and even though I loved that man so much I had to get out, my fibromyalgia is out of control and I can’t find a Dr to help me, I live in Houston 😿
I was beaten badly at least weekly, by my father until I was able to fight back effectively in my mid-teens. The beatings were horrible, but what was worse was knowing they were coming. My mother would tell me, 'when your father gets home you're going to get the beating of your life!' The waiting and knowing was psychologically as bad as the actual beating. Now I live with a constant 'fear' condition with anxiety, depression and chronic pain. It never ends....This sheds some light on understanding what is going on.
I could just cry, as I listen to this very accurate information. Those who suffer, know that what is being discussed is right on point. I know exactly what was the final trigger and it was trauma! Thanks for caring enough to help us with our quality of life.
Ive had Fibromyalgia 15+ yrs. I was molested as a child & brought up in an extremely negative enviroment & siblings & mother who have alcohol addictions..EXTREME STRESS & PTSD... Thank you guys SO MUCH FOR HELPING & CARING ABOUT US
Wow.. IVE HAD FIBRO, IBS,CFS,BLOOD IRON DEF ANEMIA, CELLULITIS, UTI'S, BAD GALLBLADDER REMOVED & MUCH MORE ! ALSO VICTIM OF CHILD ABUSE & PTSD....THANK YOU! YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR SUFFERING !!!
Thanks for explaining the effects of trauma and stress in a way that I could understand! I can totally relate to this as someone who has Fibro and was abused as a child. I seem to be constantly stressed and couldn't figure out why I hardly ever could just feel and be relaxed!! Now I can understand why!
I'm in tears listening to this - I have been in pain with 'various' autoimmune conditions since I was 16. I had a very stressful childhood and raped at 14 and told nobody. I've been in physical pain daily for the last 13 years and the FM started, in hindsight, after I left a violent and abusive husband with my 3 young children. I'm working full time but on so much pain relief I feel like I'm not functioning at all and THAT makes me depressed. I feel like 90% of my day is in fight or flight mode. I live in NZ. I can't find any clinics that operate with the same functional medicine philosophy as you. I realise you may never read this but I would be so grateful for your help. I genuinely feel suicidal sometimes because I can't see an end to it 😢. That's the last thing I want to do and I get scared that I feel that way and I'm only 44 - I want more for my life! God bless you two for sharing the realities of this condition.
Lee Banks I feel for you. I've had a similar life. I'm now 49. I probably won't make it across the country for treatment by them. But at least I know the truth is out there. Hopefully we'll get help before we get too old. At least my kids will benefit.
Lee Banks , I too have suffered from autoimmune/ Fibromyalgia since I was 12. I am 57 years old and as you stated have questioned suicide, No more hurting me, what about everyone that has hurt us? We are so strong! Remember, we are as important as anyone else, We are amazing, What has helped me is support groups, PACE is very important for we the overachiever. I have decided that suicide could be worse, have you ever spoken to anyone who has died for a week and come back to tell? I haven't, again we have no idea if we did die, what it would be like. Work on the love you have for you, We are the only one who can really know what we don't want and what we need. I am with you, life will and does get better, are goal is to not get flared and stay away from as much stress as possible.
I'm a survivor of childhood sexual, emotional and physical abuse. I KNEW it had something to do with my Hashimoto's/FM as it has done to the rest of my life. Ruined it. I'm crying listening to you guys. You could help me... I can't live like this. The pain, insomnia, IBS, anxiety, depression, etc etc etc... too much.
Thank you from a sufferer of 30yrs I suffer with complex Ptsd and exposed to years of abuse through to early adult hood. You have explained everything I deal with every day.
Agreed, I echo you then ongoing through parts of my adult life, some through my own fault. I too am in the UK and don’t bother going to my Dr for anything, all I get is ‘it’s a symptom of Fybromyalgia/ME/CFS’. I have horrendous headaches daily but there is no point going to my Dr about them. I am wallowing in a good phase and I’m quietly,hoping that maybe,just maybe I might be coming out of all this? Sending love and good wishes to you 💐
You two doctors rock. You're brilliant. I know how brilliant you are on this subject as I've run the gamete but have been very fortunate in obtaining the help I need through some invisible hands and brains. Not as woo woo as it sounds but long story short; I found grace through capable people guiding me silently along my way. You two know exactly what's going on with Fibromyalgia. This has been a decades long battle for me and I have studied, learned, been guided and am healing nicely. I love your approach and depth of understanding. Unfortunately many folks with this condition will end up on psychotropic drugs and their condition will worsen and they will fall severely ill. You guys are refreshing! ~ Thank You ~
Childhood Trauma, emotional, sexual, physical, and verbal abuse, I've lived through them all. Nonetheless, I was fortunate to have adults enter my life and direct my path toward success, outward success. Your video about fibromyalgia and childhood trauma is something I never heard suggested. The Hashimoto's inclusion really caught my attention because since 2002 I've had hypothyroid. Since one will never find me sitting still leads me to believe that the fight or flight mechanism has been activated since early childhood. "One had to suppose she was busying herself as a defense against the sharper edges of her grief." ~ Dean Koontz Five years ago, due to a multiple of life crises, I was forced into retirement and started receiving SSDI payments at age 53. The drop in my income caused the move from my hometown of Santa Barbara, CA to my brother's duplex in Merced, CA, a city that in 2018 ranks number 7 of the worst cities to live in the United States. Not long after moving here, my levels of T3 and T4 have never stabilized. The endocrinologist refused to test for Hashimoto's antibodies. In addition, I was diagnosed with open-angle glaucoma and told to use Lumigan eye drops. After two years using the eye drops my IOP numbers were never lower than 19, 20. I stopped using the drops for four months prior to my appointment with the ophthalmologist, I was shocked when my IOP numbers were 15, 16. Next, I went through a bout of shingles in the third year and had carpal tunnel surgery. That year was the beginning of the multiple of un-diagnosed symptoms that today causes my chronic pain and chronic distress. Your videos give me back some hope. Without hope, there is no living. Thank you.
After listening to you two wonderful Dr's I finally think I am not crazy. I wish we had Dr.s around here with all your knowledge. Keep the info coming😊
I cannot thank you enough for these videos!!!!!! You are answering questions for me that we're impossible for the doctors I'm now going to. Please keep sharing. You're my lifeline. Beverly
I just found this 6 years later. You just told my entire life story medically. I’ve been gaslit for years before I figured it out. How do you fix the brain aspect? I’ve had an incredibly stressful life since childhood into my 40’s. I have been diagnosed with cptsd.
It was like he was reading from my chart! I have everything he mentioned. The depression has nearly killed me. This last year out of the 20 yrs with this has been the worst. I can't get out of bed anymore and too tired to try. I went through so much trauma since as far back as I can remember. The friends who know about it are almost in disbelief when I tell them. I'm glad you're listening to people and figuring this out. So far for me talking about it and therapy has not helped.
Diagnosed with chronic fibro, migraines, TMJ, and central sensitization syndrome since all of my senses work WAY too well. Can't take fluorescent light, computer screen light, flashing lights, sunlight. Hearing works too well, if I'm startled, i get panicky. Loud repetitive noises like screaming children, car alarms, dogs barking, store overhead intercoms, etc. Can only wear cotton as everything else is too scratchy and causes a rash. My own sweat on a hot day causes rash. Taste has changed in last few years..can't eat meat because texture disgusts me, any small spiciness makes my tongue burn. Smells are way too strong to me, especially colognes, perfumes, car or deisel exhaust instantly cause migraines. People make make me nervous and panicky, prefer being alone. Was sexual abused as a tiny child, watched my mom get beaten regularly until I was old enough to stand up for her and became her protector. For her and my two children, I can become a furious protector, but not for myself. I don't stand up for me, when needed..odd. Many other things. At least doctors now believe fibro is real. The CSS diagnosis made me feel I really wasn't going crazy since it had a name, but they can't fix it.
Awesome video, also, you both hit a few nerves. Yes, and finding out I'm not crazy! This video made me cry tears of relief. I will certainly be looking forward to the next videos. Thank you, Dr.'s.
Yes..so true for me..childhood major trauma, mother is malignant narrccist, father narcissist, and 2 brothers with issues, both mean to me even still. Had endometriosis which entailed many surgeries, plus triggered an ectopic pregnancy that ruptured, other surgeries as well. Married a covert narcissist and had two children, completely natural labours. Divorced, was attacked and life threatened from work field call,, then a month later, was stalked and threatened from long time family friend who thought he had a right to me and kids once I divorced, after I told him no, he began threatening, then huge rage episode, then stalking me and kid's for months. Develooed PTSD, Then re- traumatized by Compensation Board, and workplace for years. Developed low thyroid. Fast forward, Covid hit.,felt unsafe, anxiety episodes through the roof, now fibromyalgia. Suffering greatly from so many symptoms. Need help with this pls THANK YOU DR.'S!!! .
Thank you for this understanding video, in the uk we don't have the support. What you say is so true, I have fibro, was abused as a child and abused violently by my ex fiancé, I have carried so much pain inwards that I now have an apendymoma brain tumour, which I hope to overcome by bio kenosis and meditation.
#MartinRutherford I've read these studies and so many doctors misinterpret what they're saying. The one of you on the left gave the most accurate interpretation; that in a nutshell, trauma actually causes neurological and neurophysiological damage and then damages other body systems. I would like to see you do another video aimed at doctors because so many of them just tell people it's "in their head" and even accuse patients of faking or making it up and as a result tell the patient they're uncredible, and stop treating them, and THAT causes trauma on top of trauma. A peer needs to tell them that patients don't need a psychiatrist, they need a doctor that listens to them and takes it seriously, and is willing to be open-minded to work with them to solve it. I was abused in the ER 2 years ago and the on-call neurologist was physically and emotionally abusive to me, hitting me in full swings with his neurological hammer, then libeled me in my medical records in a very malicious and accusatory way designed only to repel other doctors from treating me. Then he had his resident come in a few minutes later and slam her butt down on my left foot. (in the record it's noted that she went back afterwards and changed her entry to allign with him). I reported it to the internal patients rights department of the facility, and the entire corporation went after me, doubled down and refused to do anything to discipline those responsible, nor protect me or my medical records. The ER doctor and of course the resident denied everything even though I know the ER doctor was shocked as it was happening, as her eyes widened. I looked straight at her and she did nothing to intervene. She SAW it happen and then lied to the investigators! They all "got their story straight among them and I was treated as enemy number 1. When I went to my primary care physician of 13 years whom I thought I could trust to look out for me, instead of empathy he treated me with contempt and irritation. I asked him to do something to protect me (as these rogues were still free to come and go as they pleased and could still access my records and track every clinic and doctor I was scheduled to see within that system) but he just laughed and treated me like I was being paranoid. All orders that were in-progress stopped as if he'd gone on strike and I literally had to go to his supervisor to get those completed. There are predators out there in the medical field and instead of siding with the perpetrators doctors need to be respectful when a patient has the guts to come to them with this kind of serious situation. Ultimately I lost him and my pulmonologist just one week later who had been working well with me before this happened. They refused to listen to anything I had to say, dropped snide remarks and exited the room as though I were wasting their time. Their take on it was there was nothing to treat, (because a neurologist they'd never even met said so) so they only parroted what the abusive neurologist had written and clamped shut tighter than a drum. My case is a good example of HOW NOT TO TREAT A PATIENT. EVER! Doctors need to know that even if someone has suffered childhood abuse and even if that did something to their neurological wiring that these are NOT phantom conditions nor are patients liars or their reports not to be believed. Only by listening to the patient can anything be done. Once a doctor has discredited a patient in his own mind all hope of anything productive being accomplished is lost. What ever happened to the friendly primary care physician who was a partner in treatment and a person you could come to with anything? Why do they treat patients like they must be lying, exaggerating, or delusional and not really sick? I remember saying to my former GP "I have been seeing you for 13 years and you know I don't come in here for frivolous reasons. I have hardly asked you for anything in the last 10 years. 13 years! Doesn't that count for anything?" Apparently not. He said to me that until a neurologist was willing to say I had nothing wrong emotionally that he wouldn't take my word for anything. Then he laughed and said that would be difficult, and then corrected himself again and said "No, actually I don't think that is possible." The look on his face was almost diabolical, as if he had won something (I don't know what). It was a smug look of self-satisfaction. What had I ever done to this man that was so horrible that I deserved this kind of scorn? I used to give him 5 star reviews in all the surveys that were sent out. I thought the world of him until he completely turned on me. I told him "I've been through a traumatic event! How do you expect me to feel? That is totally unreasonable." I think doctors are missing the point of this research and misusing it to deny care. Would you please do a segment about this? Who knows, maybe somebody will use it as a training video in some medical schools or residency programs. As for me, I am dealing with this alone and I continue to hit roadblocks in my care. I cannot bring myself to see another neurologist even though one of my current specialists and current GP still think there is something neurologically going on. This has most likely relegated me to an early death, so for the most part I have dedicated the rest of my life to improving the field and laws which protect other patients from falling victim to such abuses.
I believe we are very strong considering what everyone of us have been through. I am grateful for your honesty. I am the type of person who has known for over 40 years I had problems@ home and have sought for solutions. Yes, I have Fibro however I know I have been through a lot. Thank you for the validation.
Thank you to these two wonderful Drs, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate what you’re saying. This will help many people understand this debilitating disease, and why we have it. I wish more Drs would understand, and dig a little deeper.
I use to ask fellow pain suffers, if they had child hood difficulties. I would consider hormone dysfunction. yes yes yes. now I am hearing you two discussing all that I knew in my heart. no doctor has said this. rx for anti depression was all they would give me. I use to joke. if you can not control this woman, just drug her. can you two really be real?
Studies regarding Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) by Dr. Vincent Felitti support your discussion. See Dr. Gabor Maté’s “When the Body Says No” and/or Dr. Bessel van der Kolk’s “The Body Keeps the Score.”
I have chronic pain daily. Diagnosed with PTSD, gall bladder removed, IBS, Pancreatitis, stones in bile duct, stomach ulcer, GERD, Illeus/mechanical obstruction, Lymphocytic colitis, Fibromyalgia, and colon polyps. 😩
2010 I had a head injury and ended up with anxiety and aphasia/inability to speak when spoken to. My neurosurgeon said I had Childhood PTSD which caused my Fibromyalgia. My psychiatrist said the males in my family must have issues with addictions and criminal behavior. In fact they did have alcohol, drug, obesity and criminal behavior.
exactly. plus stressors keep happening. I have also said I can not handle stress no matter how small. I can't do what I want to do. lazy is not a word to describe me but at 61 years. I am done.
There's a book.. the body keeps the score. I've definitely had childhood trauma and this fibromyalgia is horrid. What about demyelination noted on a brain mri? This has been very very helpful
I'd research other reasons. Mine was a regular virus that set off viral rheumatoid arthritis as my immune system went haywire then after recovering from that, I wound up developing fibro.
Only Those Who Don’t Suffer From Fibromyalgia Would Give This A Thumbs Down…Smh On another Note: Thank you guys both very much for explaining my story so well! Word for word accurately describing my life
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I started developing my fibro symptoms almost immediately after I finally got out of my abusive situation I grew up on. 😢 It’s like I wasn’t allowed to get away truly. But, I have a wonderful doctor now finally who is helping me. Cymbalta is the first thing to really tackle my major pain.
I had trauma from my first marriage to a factory farmer, it was 51 years ago and I can still hear those cows crying for their babies and the drama of their death, I lived there for 5 years and even though I loved that man so much I had to get out, my fibromyalgia is out of control and I can’t find a Dr to help me, I live in Houston 😿
I was beaten badly at least weekly, by my father until I was able to fight back effectively in my mid-teens. The beatings were horrible, but what was worse was knowing they were coming. My mother would tell me, 'when your father gets home you're going to get the beating of your life!' The waiting and knowing was psychologically as bad as the actual beating. Now I live with a constant 'fear' condition with anxiety, depression and chronic pain. It never ends....This sheds some light on understanding what is going on.
The Patron Saints of Fibromyalgia, what a treasure to find these two amazing doctors Thank God for them.
I could just cry, as I listen to this very accurate information. Those who suffer, know that what is being discussed is right on point. I know exactly what was the final trigger and it was trauma! Thanks for caring enough to help us with our quality of life.
Thank you, that was a great comment, I couldn’t agree more. Looking back it makes so much sense. 🤔
Ive had Fibromyalgia 15+ yrs. I was molested as a child & brought up in an extremely negative enviroment & siblings & mother who have alcohol addictions..EXTREME STRESS & PTSD... Thank you guys SO MUCH FOR HELPING & CARING ABOUT US
Wow..
IVE HAD FIBRO, IBS,CFS,BLOOD IRON DEF ANEMIA, CELLULITIS, UTI'S, BAD GALLBLADDER REMOVED & MUCH MORE ! ALSO VICTIM OF CHILD ABUSE & PTSD....THANK YOU! YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR SUFFERING !!!
We need a group Of doctors like you available to fibro sufferers. I’ve been suffering for 22 yrs!!!!!!!
Thanks for explaining the effects of trauma and stress in a way that I could understand! I can totally relate to this as someone who has Fibro and was abused as a child. I seem to be constantly stressed and couldn't figure out why I hardly ever could just feel and be relaxed!! Now I can understand why!
Bethany Smith me too !!!
Exactly this!!!
Me too.
omg,,i cried,,,i knew it ...ive been researching for 10 years and you just confirmed everything i knew
nina belanco me too hun !!
Yes, it all makes sense.
I'm in tears listening to this - I have been in pain with 'various' autoimmune conditions since I was 16. I had a very stressful childhood and raped at 14 and told nobody. I've been in physical pain daily for the last 13 years and the FM started, in hindsight, after I left a violent and abusive husband with my 3 young children. I'm working full time but on so much pain relief I feel like I'm not functioning at all and THAT makes me depressed. I feel like 90% of my day is in fight or flight mode. I live in NZ. I can't find any clinics that operate with the same functional medicine philosophy as you. I realise you may never read this but I would be so grateful for your help. I genuinely feel suicidal sometimes because I can't see an end to it 😢. That's the last thing I want to do and I get scared that I feel that way and I'm only 44 - I want more for my life! God bless you two for sharing the realities of this condition.
Lee Banks I feel for you. I've had a similar life. I'm now 49. I probably won't make it across the country for treatment by them. But at least I know the truth is out there. Hopefully we'll get help before we get too old. At least my kids will benefit.
Lee Banks , I too have suffered from autoimmune/ Fibromyalgia since I was 12. I am 57 years old and as you stated have questioned suicide, No more hurting me, what about everyone that has hurt us? We are so strong! Remember, we are as important as anyone else, We are amazing, What has helped me is support groups, PACE is very important for we the overachiever. I have decided that suicide could be worse, have you ever spoken to anyone who has died for a week and come back to tell? I haven't, again we have no idea if we did die, what it would be like. Work on the love you have for you, We are the only one who can really know what we don't want and what we need. I am with you, life will and does get better, are goal is to not get flared and stay away from as much stress as possible.
Lee Banks molested here & alcoholic mom & 2 sisters. GOD BLESS YOU FELLOW FIBRO WARRIOR
I'm a survivor of childhood sexual, emotional and physical abuse. I KNEW it had something to do with my Hashimoto's/FM as it has done to the rest of my life. Ruined it. I'm crying listening to you guys. You could help me... I can't live like this. The pain, insomnia, IBS, anxiety, depression, etc etc etc... too much.
Thank you from a sufferer of 30yrs I suffer with complex Ptsd and exposed to years of abuse through to early adult hood. You have explained everything I deal with every day.
I am in the UK and we don't have the research ongoing here as I have seen in the USA
Same here in Australia, these men are saints to fibromyalgia patients. I agree with all they say.
Agreed, I echo you then ongoing through parts of my adult life, some through my own fault.
I too am in the UK and don’t bother going to my Dr for anything, all I get is ‘it’s a symptom of Fybromyalgia/ME/CFS’. I have horrendous headaches daily but there is no point going to my Dr about them.
I am wallowing in a good phase and I’m quietly,hoping that maybe,just maybe I might be coming out of all this? Sending love and good wishes to you 💐
You two doctors rock. You're brilliant. I know how brilliant you are on this subject as I've run the gamete but have been very fortunate in obtaining the help I need through some invisible hands and brains. Not as woo woo as it sounds but long story short; I found grace through capable people guiding me silently along my way. You two know exactly what's going on with Fibromyalgia. This has been a decades long battle for me and I have studied, learned, been guided and am healing nicely. I love your approach and depth of understanding. Unfortunately many folks with this condition will end up on psychotropic drugs and their condition will worsen and they will fall severely ill. You guys are refreshing! ~ Thank You ~
Right on the mark I avoid people as much as possible, situations etc.
Childhood Trauma, emotional, sexual, physical, and verbal abuse, I've lived through them all. Nonetheless, I was fortunate to have adults enter my life and direct my path toward success, outward success. Your video about fibromyalgia and childhood trauma is something I never heard suggested. The Hashimoto's inclusion really caught my attention because since 2002 I've had hypothyroid. Since one will never find me sitting still leads me to believe that the fight or flight mechanism has been activated since early childhood.
"One had to suppose she was busying herself as a defense against the sharper edges of her grief." ~ Dean Koontz
Five years ago, due to a multiple of life crises, I was forced into retirement and started receiving SSDI payments at age 53. The drop in my income caused the move from my hometown of Santa Barbara, CA to my brother's duplex in Merced, CA, a city that in 2018 ranks number 7 of the worst cities to live in the United States.
Not long after moving here, my levels of T3 and T4 have never stabilized. The endocrinologist refused to test for Hashimoto's antibodies. In addition, I was diagnosed with open-angle glaucoma and told to use Lumigan eye drops. After two years using the eye drops my IOP numbers were never lower than 19, 20. I stopped using the drops for four months prior to my appointment with the ophthalmologist, I was shocked when my IOP numbers were 15, 16. Next, I went through a bout of shingles in the third year and had carpal tunnel surgery. That year was the beginning of the multiple of un-diagnosed symptoms that today causes my chronic pain and chronic distress.
Your videos give me back some hope. Without hope, there is no living. Thank you.
where have you guys been all my life
After listening to you two wonderful Dr's I finally think I am not crazy. I wish we had Dr.s around here with all your knowledge. Keep the info coming😊
soooo True....was sexually abused starting age 4....was abused most of my life...now my own body is abusing me!
Zelda Zelda same here sweetie
I cannot thank you enough for these videos!!!!!! You are answering questions for me that we're impossible for the doctors I'm now going to. Please keep sharing. You're my lifeline. Beverly
I just found this 6 years later. You just told my entire life story medically. I’ve been gaslit for years before I figured it out. How do you fix the brain aspect? I’ve had an incredibly stressful life since childhood into my 40’s. I have been diagnosed with cptsd.
It was like he was reading from my chart! I have everything he mentioned. The depression has nearly killed me. This last year out of the 20 yrs with this has been the worst. I can't get out of bed anymore and too tired to try. I went through so much trauma since as far back as I can remember. The friends who know about it are almost in disbelief when I tell them. I'm glad you're listening to people and figuring this out. So far for me talking about it and therapy has not helped.
Diagnosed with chronic fibro, migraines, TMJ, and central sensitization syndrome since all of my senses work WAY too well. Can't take fluorescent light, computer screen light, flashing lights, sunlight. Hearing works too well, if I'm startled, i get panicky. Loud repetitive noises like screaming children, car alarms, dogs barking, store overhead intercoms, etc. Can only wear cotton as everything else is too scratchy and causes a rash. My own sweat on a hot day causes rash. Taste has changed in last few years..can't eat meat because texture disgusts me, any small spiciness makes my tongue burn. Smells are way too strong to me, especially colognes, perfumes, car or deisel exhaust instantly cause migraines. People make make me nervous and panicky, prefer being alone.
Was sexual abused as a tiny child, watched my mom get beaten regularly until I was old enough to stand up for her and became her protector. For her and my two children, I can become a furious protector, but not for myself. I don't stand up for me, when needed..odd. Many other things.
At least doctors now believe fibro is real. The CSS diagnosis made me feel I really wasn't going crazy since it had a name, but they can't fix it.
Awesome video, also, you both hit a few nerves. Yes, and finding out I'm not crazy! This video made me cry tears of relief.
I will certainly be looking forward to the next videos. Thank you, Dr.'s.
Yes..so true for me..childhood major trauma, mother is malignant narrccist, father narcissist, and 2 brothers with issues, both mean to me even still. Had endometriosis which entailed many surgeries, plus triggered an ectopic pregnancy that ruptured, other surgeries as well. Married a covert narcissist and had two children, completely natural labours. Divorced, was attacked and life threatened from work field call,, then a month later, was stalked and threatened from long time family friend who thought he had a right to me and kids once I divorced, after I told him no, he began threatening, then huge rage episode, then stalking me and kid's for months. Develooed PTSD, Then re- traumatized by Compensation Board, and workplace for years. Developed low thyroid. Fast forward, Covid hit.,felt unsafe, anxiety episodes through the roof, now fibromyalgia. Suffering greatly from so many symptoms. Need help with this pls THANK YOU DR.'S!!! .
yall need to teach other doctors, many cant afford to go to your state for treatment.
Many ,many Doctors need this Informations!!
Thank you for this understanding video, in the uk we don't have the support. What you say is so true, I have fibro, was abused as a child and abused violently by my ex fiancé, I have carried so much pain inwards that I now have an apendymoma brain tumour, which I hope to overcome by bio kenosis and meditation.
#MartinRutherford I've read these studies and so many doctors misinterpret what they're saying. The one of you on the left gave the most accurate interpretation; that in a nutshell, trauma actually causes neurological and neurophysiological damage and then damages other body systems.
I would like to see you do another video aimed at doctors because so many of them just tell people it's "in their head" and even accuse patients of faking or making it up and as a result tell the patient they're uncredible, and stop treating them, and THAT causes trauma on top of trauma. A peer needs to tell them that patients don't need a psychiatrist, they need a doctor that listens to them and takes it seriously, and is willing to be open-minded to work with them to solve it.
I was abused in the ER 2 years ago and the on-call neurologist was physically and emotionally abusive to me, hitting me in full swings with his neurological hammer, then libeled me in my medical records in a very malicious and accusatory way designed only to repel other doctors from treating me. Then he had his resident come in a few minutes later and slam her butt down on my left foot. (in the record it's noted that she went back afterwards and changed her entry to allign with him). I reported it to the internal patients rights department of the facility, and the entire corporation went after me, doubled down and refused to do anything to discipline those responsible, nor protect me or my medical records. The ER doctor and of course the resident denied everything even though I know the ER doctor was shocked as it was happening, as her eyes widened. I looked straight at her and she did nothing to intervene. She SAW it happen and then lied to the investigators! They all "got their story straight among them and I was treated as enemy number 1.
When I went to my primary care physician of 13 years whom I thought I could trust to look out for me, instead of empathy he treated me with contempt and irritation. I asked him to do something to protect me (as these rogues were still free to come and go as they pleased and could still access my records and track every clinic and doctor I was scheduled to see within that system) but he just laughed and treated me like I was being paranoid. All orders that were in-progress stopped as if he'd gone on strike and I literally had to go to his supervisor to get those completed.
There are predators out there in the medical field and instead of siding with the perpetrators doctors need to be respectful when a patient has the guts to come to them with this kind of serious situation. Ultimately I lost him and my pulmonologist just one week later who had been working well with me before this happened. They refused to listen to anything I had to say, dropped snide remarks and exited the room as though I were wasting their time. Their take on it was there was nothing to treat, (because a neurologist they'd never even met said so) so they only parroted what the abusive neurologist had written and clamped shut tighter than a drum. My case is a good example of HOW NOT TO TREAT A PATIENT. EVER!
Doctors need to know that even if someone has suffered childhood abuse and even if that did something to their neurological wiring that these are NOT phantom conditions nor are patients liars or their reports not to be believed. Only by listening to the patient can anything be done. Once a doctor has discredited a patient in his own mind all hope of anything productive being accomplished is lost.
What ever happened to the friendly primary care physician who was a partner in treatment and a person you could come to with anything? Why do they treat patients like they must be lying, exaggerating, or delusional and not really sick?
I remember saying to my former GP "I have been seeing you for 13 years and you know I don't come in here for frivolous reasons. I have hardly asked you for anything in the last 10 years. 13 years! Doesn't that count for anything?" Apparently not. He said to me that until a neurologist was willing to say I had nothing wrong emotionally that he wouldn't take my word for anything. Then he laughed and said that would be difficult, and then corrected himself again and said "No, actually I don't think that is possible." The look on his face was almost diabolical, as if he had won something (I don't know what). It was a smug look of self-satisfaction. What had I ever done to this man that was so horrible that I deserved this kind of scorn? I used to give him 5 star reviews in all the surveys that were sent out. I thought the world of him until he completely turned on me.
I told him "I've been through a traumatic event! How do you expect me to feel? That is totally unreasonable."
I think doctors are missing the point of this research and misusing it to deny care. Would you please do a segment about this? Who knows, maybe somebody will use it as a training video in some medical schools or residency programs.
As for me, I am dealing with this alone and I continue to hit roadblocks in my care. I cannot bring myself to see another neurologist even though one of my current specialists and current GP still think there is something neurologically going on. This has most likely relegated me to an early death, so for the most part I have dedicated the rest of my life to improving the field and laws which protect other patients from falling victim to such abuses.
Yes, PTSD. It really can jumpstart illnesses. My very unscientific theory is that overstress on the adrenals impacts CFS.
I believe we are very strong considering what everyone of us have been through. I am grateful for your honesty. I am the type of person who has known for over 40 years I had problems@ home and have sought for solutions. Yes, I have Fibro however I know I have been through a lot. Thank you for the validation.
Thank you to these two wonderful Drs, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate what you’re saying. This will help many people understand this debilitating disease, and why we have it. I wish more Drs would understand, and dig a little deeper.
Amazing information from respected practitioners
Thank you.
You are amazing to really care about our suffering
I use to ask fellow pain suffers, if they had child hood difficulties. I would consider hormone dysfunction. yes yes yes. now I am hearing you two discussing all that I knew in my heart. no doctor has said this. rx for anti depression was all they would give me. I use to joke. if you can not control this woman, just drug her. can you two really be real?
Studies regarding Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) by Dr. Vincent Felitti support your discussion. See Dr. Gabor Maté’s “When the Body Says No” and/or Dr. Bessel van der Kolk’s “The Body Keeps the Score.”
This was so helpful, thank you .Drs, this research on fibromyalgia explains a lot to me.
Well said the men ! .thankyou x
I have chronic pain daily. Diagnosed with PTSD, gall bladder removed, IBS,
Pancreatitis, stones in bile duct, stomach ulcer, GERD,
Illeus/mechanical obstruction,
Lymphocytic colitis,
Fibromyalgia, and colon polyps. 😩
yes.. based on my own life.. hitting the nails on the head again!!
Thank you 🙏🏻
2010 I had a head injury and ended up with anxiety and aphasia/inability to speak when spoken to. My neurosurgeon said I had Childhood PTSD which caused my Fibromyalgia. My psychiatrist said the males in my family must have issues with addictions and criminal behavior. In fact they did have alcohol, drug, obesity and criminal behavior.
I have all these and more get added as I she. I once went on prednisone for 3 days. I had never felt so good in more than 30 years.
exactly. plus stressors keep happening. I have also said I can not handle stress no matter how small. I can't do what I want to do. lazy is not a word to describe me but at 61 years. I am done.
very painfully periods
just lost my Medical office job that I loved. I can't keep up.
There's a book.. the body keeps the score. I've definitely had childhood trauma and this fibromyalgia is horrid. What about demyelination noted on a brain mri? This has been very very helpful
I'd research other reasons. Mine was a regular virus that set off viral rheumatoid arthritis as my immune system went haywire then after recovering from that, I wound up developing fibro.
Also tick borne illnesses such as Lyme.
I call it my "deer in the head lights" look when I cannot answer a question. by brain stops.
Thank you
I hope dutch medics will watch this movie.
Only Those Who Don’t Suffer From Fibromyalgia Would Give This A Thumbs Down…Smh
On another Note:
Thank you guys both very much for explaining my story so well! Word for word accurately describing my life
Husbandectomy worked for me
Pregabalin worked wonders on me! Thank God it was prescribed by my doctor.
Wow, spot on!
My legs would hurt
Nope my sister has this and was never abused
I understand that, I don’t believe it happens in all cases, but for some people like my self, it hit the nail on the head. 🤷🏼♀️
nature's insult to woman. facial hair.