I see Heathcliff as deserving what he gets, he isn't exactly the most deserving of forgiveness but he at least didn't squander his wealth and leave his family in poverty so maybe for that they are willing to at least respect him or why would they stay?
@@wlj344 he left because Cathy broke his heart. And to possibly leave the dysfunctional relationship he had with his family and return to WH in a position where he could avoid any more abuse, but he isn't so innocent either I suppose.
That’s a good question.🤔. However, just as in any good soap opera, gothic novel, he didn’t stay around to hear the rest of the conversation. His “revenge” was taken out mostly on people who had nothing to do with his misery. His horrid foster brother, I don’t have much sympathy for. You go Heathcliff. Everybody else? We all have our demons, don’t we? Forgiveness? Not for me personally. But I can relate to his agony with lost love. Catherine to me is the one who needs forgiveness. She’s the crux of the whole story, caused all the misery. But what a freaking great name. I think if he was named say, Bob, we wouldn’t even be here lol
He was treated as an outsider. He was seldom shown affection or praised. It broke his heart and his spirit when accidentally overheard Cathy criticizing his crude manners and rough ways; that she was ashamed of him and how he would never have social position like Linton.
Yes, because at the end he DID NOT play his vengeance on the children of their ennemies. And he even murmured bad things to himself and hated himself at the very end. At least, Heathcliff at the end recognized that he was "worse than the devil".
I have read the book. I think Heathcliff is an example of nurture over nature. He wasn't a violent brute because he was Roma, it was because he was horribly mistreated and ostracized. If the father had lived, things would have been entirely different. Heathcliff loved Catherine and she loved him. No one who could be loved that deeply, who could love that passionately is evil; Heathcliff was an angry man who grew from a horribly abused and neglected child. He was an angry man with a broken heart.
Heathcliff is the ultimate anti-hero and appeals to the darker sides of both male and female desires. Wuthering Heights is my favourite novel, probably because it's like no other.
I thought Heathcliff was wronged and often beaten for just being alive. Had the family not just taken him in but also shown affection and acceptance, he might have tried to get educated and learn social graces. I think he acted out by being cruel and wild just to rebel. He experience was that manners and education were a facade people used to justify prejudice, hate, and cruelty.
Thanks for the interesting video! I’ve read Wuthering Heights many times and I mostly feel for Heathcliff. What strikes me about life in those times is how mindlessly, pointlessly brutal everyone was to each other, physically and mentally. They seemed to know no other way of interacting. No wonder everyone died in their 30s. What a miserable existence.
A very powerful story. I saw the Merle Oberon/Lawrence Olivier film with my mom as a teen (when it came on TV), and have watched both the Ralph Fiennes and Tom Hardy versions over and over. I've read the book five times. There are so many layers, and as people have noted, we have to consider the morals and viewpoints of the time it was written. After the death of Mr. Earnshaw, Healthcliff sees Cathy as the only person who understands him, though Nellie shows him some kindness. I certainly don't see it as a 'Romance'. It's about obsession. Young Catherine and Hareton both come to understand Heathcliff, and seem to forgive him despite becoming collateral damage. This banishes their hatred of him, and is their first step toward freedom from his control. We could discuss this book for hours...
I ave read Wuthering Heights more than once. First when I was about Catherine's age. It made a deep impression. Heathcliff was not unlike many of the boys and men I have known who were treated similarly. He broke my heart then and he breaks my heart now.
Heathcliff is the "animus" of Emily Bronte, the masculine side of her soul. Catherine is the feminine part of her soul, the "anima". Beacuse of that they can´t be apart. I read this novel long time ago. I didn´t know about the strange Emily`s personality. Now I can see how much she has represented herself in Heatcliff and Catherine caracters.
I think this is partially true, but Heathcliff was based on a real person, i.e., Patrick Bronte’s adoptive grandfather. Also, he is similar in many ways to Branwell Brontë and a character from Renaissance lore, I believe, discussed by Emily and a friend in the brilliant “To Walk Invisible” biopic of the Brontë sisters.
Wow, what a great little documentary about one of English literature's most complex and fascinating characters (Heathcliff). I did not want this to end!
Dark sinister yet tortured creature, Love betrayed therefore only left being cunning and revengeful. Yet haunted. He never belonged anywhere - Romani communities are closely knit together, with huge extended families, plus customs and believes and own lore. In the Earnshaw family, he stayed an outcast so never felt gratitude.
When I started the book, I really wanted to root for Heathcliff. By the end of the book, I determined that there was not one redeemable character in it. It was still a good read, but everyone in it was an awful person.
I can't stop to read Wuthering Heights: I think it is one of the best novel ever written, and Heathcliff one of the more impressive character in universal literature. In a romantic (and victorian) era, Heathcliff is, I think, the only not-romantic, but tragic character that an European writer has managed to depict (the other, great tragic character beeing, in my opinion, in 19th century European language literature, Captain Achab by Herman Melville). Of course, Heathcliff is one part of the main character, for the other half is Catherine, and here things get more complicated... Well, only a pure genius like Emily Brontë could imagine, build and describe him (them) so exquisitely.
I go back to this book over and over and I am always struck by it's beauty and extreme characters. I've always felt that the whole point of the book was not a romance. The romance is deeply undercut by the narrator who in the cold light of day, says he doesn't believe in ghosts at the end. I think the point of the book is to show that the way children are treated MATTERS. It matters if they are treated kindly or with cruelty. It makes a difference to their future behavior, especially as parents. It's nature versus nurture. Many people would have argued in EB's day that Heathcliff was bad because of his background. He came from bad stock and that even growing up with privilege and advantage he is still bad. WH shows us a situation where an innocent child who is viewed by Joseph, his principal tormentor, as evil because of where he comes from. Between beatings and Bible readings where your inherent worthlessness is stressed above all things, it's no wonder he grew up into a cruel man...
I see the book as being about generational abuse. Heathcliff is abused and he goes on to abuse those around him, even his own wife and child. The abuse is also present in Catherine's family. At the end of the novel you have the children preparing to break free of the cycle.
I agree; and their mutual passion possibly to some degree incestuous. Why does a tough northern farmer bring back a waif and stray, another mouth to feed, from the streets of Liverpool?
Just watched wuthering heights with Tom Hardy. I've read the book countless times. Heathcliff I believe was forgiven by the children then took his leave to be with his beloved.
Tom Hardy was phenomenal as Heathcliff.....he portrayed all the heart and cruelty of heathcliff's character beautifully.....my favourite version of all.
I have read this book twice. The last time I read it I threw it across the living room. 😂 There are some very miserable characters in it. The characters Heathcliff and Catherine are very self-absorbed with themselves and with each other. At the end, maybe they both become ghosts haunting the moors. Outside Heaven, hell, or Purgatory they are "doomed"? to spend eternity with the self-absorption of each other. I don't know if this will get very old or not. Seems like its own kind of hell. The other people in their lives are much happier without them stirring up trouble. Peace at last from the attention seekers. Whew!
There’s a reason Heathcliff is one of the most memorable villains in literature. There has never quite been a character like him and never will be. You may think that some bad boys have a little more flair and sparkle to them (James Steerforth, Sergeant Troy, Stanley Kowalski, Hud) but HC is the one who helps you understand why this is not a path you want to take. Emily Brontë gives him plenty of chances to move away from his plot of revenge against all the people he believes were responsible for his romance gone wrong but never does because forgiveness and healing are concepts people like him will never understand or accept. In the end he gets everything he wanted but dies alone. Then you have Haerton the stable boy who was raised the same way as HC and used to harsh words and hard knocks but instead of becoming like HC, he is a kind, gentle soul anyone would want as a friend. Pain can make you cruel and jaded or it can make you wise and compassionate. The choice is yours.
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Can anyone tell if Heathcliff was forgiven? Do you think he should be forgiven?
I see Heathcliff as deserving what he gets, he isn't exactly the most deserving of forgiveness but he at least didn't squander his wealth and leave his family in poverty so maybe for that they are willing to at least respect him or why would they stay?
@@wlj344 he left because Cathy broke his heart. And to possibly leave the dysfunctional relationship he had with his family and return to WH in a position where he could avoid any more abuse, but he isn't so innocent either I suppose.
That’s a good question.🤔. However, just as in any good soap opera, gothic novel, he didn’t stay around to hear the rest of the conversation. His “revenge” was taken out mostly on people who had nothing to do with his misery. His horrid foster brother, I don’t have much sympathy for. You go Heathcliff. Everybody else? We all have our demons, don’t we? Forgiveness? Not for me personally. But I can relate to his agony with lost love. Catherine to me is the one who needs forgiveness. She’s the crux of the whole story, caused all the misery. But what a freaking great name. I think if he was named say, Bob, we wouldn’t even be here lol
He was treated as an outsider. He was seldom shown affection or praised. It broke his heart and his spirit when accidentally overheard Cathy criticizing his crude manners and rough ways; that she was ashamed of him and how he would never have social position like Linton.
Yes, because at the end he DID NOT play his vengeance on the children of their ennemies. And he even murmured bad things to himself and hated himself at the very end. At least, Heathcliff at the end recognized that he was "worse than the devil".
I have read the book. I think Heathcliff is an example of nurture over nature. He wasn't a violent brute because he was Roma, it was because he was horribly mistreated and ostracized. If the father had lived, things would have been entirely different. Heathcliff loved Catherine and she loved him. No one who could be loved that deeply, who could love that passionately is evil; Heathcliff was an angry man who grew from a horribly abused and neglected child. He was an angry man with a broken heart.
Heathcliff is the ultimate anti-hero and appeals to the darker sides of both male and female desires. Wuthering Heights is my favourite novel, probably because it's like no other.
I thought Heathcliff was wronged and often beaten for just being alive. Had the family not just taken him in but also shown affection and acceptance, he might have tried to get educated and learn social graces.
I think he acted out by being cruel and wild just to rebel. He experience was that manners and education were a facade people used to justify prejudice, hate, and cruelty.
Thanks for the interesting video! I’ve read Wuthering Heights many times and I mostly feel for Heathcliff. What strikes me about life in those times is how mindlessly, pointlessly brutal everyone was to each other, physically and mentally. They seemed to know no other way of interacting. No wonder everyone died in their 30s. What a miserable existence.
Thank you...I know, it's kind of a mean-spirited community it seems. The isolation? All that wind? : )
A very powerful story. I saw the Merle Oberon/Lawrence Olivier film with my mom as a teen (when it came on TV), and have watched both the Ralph Fiennes and Tom Hardy versions over and over. I've read the book five times. There are so many layers, and as people have noted, we have to consider the morals and viewpoints of the time it was written. After the death of Mr. Earnshaw, Healthcliff sees Cathy as the only person who understands him, though Nellie shows him some kindness. I certainly don't see it as a 'Romance'. It's about obsession. Young Catherine and Hareton both come to understand Heathcliff, and seem to forgive him despite becoming collateral damage. This banishes their hatred of him, and is their first step toward freedom from his control. We could discuss this book for hours...
Perhaps the most unforgettable character in literature……which is saying a lot.
I ave read Wuthering Heights more than once. First when I was about Catherine's age. It made a deep impression. Heathcliff was not unlike many of the boys and men I have known who were treated similarly. He broke my heart then and he breaks my heart now.
Wonder if early critics saw themselves in the narrative, it's tough subject.
Heathcliff is the "animus" of Emily Bronte, the masculine side of her soul. Catherine is the feminine part of her soul, the "anima". Beacuse of that they can´t be apart. I read this novel long time ago. I didn´t know about the strange Emily`s personality. Now I can see how much she has represented herself in Heatcliff and Catherine caracters.
I think this is partially true, but Heathcliff was based on a real person, i.e., Patrick Bronte’s adoptive grandfather. Also, he is similar in many ways to Branwell Brontë and a character from Renaissance lore, I believe, discussed by Emily and a friend in the brilliant “To Walk Invisible” biopic of the Brontë sisters.
Keep the classics alive. Thank you.
Will do! : P
I felt Heathcliff was misunderstood, rejected, but strong and determined survivor.
Wow, what a great little documentary about one of English literature's most complex and fascinating characters (Heathcliff). I did not want this to end!
Dark sinister yet tortured creature, Love betrayed therefore only left being cunning and revengeful. Yet haunted. He never belonged anywhere - Romani communities are closely knit together, with huge extended families, plus customs and believes and own lore. In the Earnshaw family, he stayed an outcast so never felt gratitude.
I love how you brought together all the characteristics of Heathcliff. It gives me a better idea of who he was in the book.
I wanted to provide some details w/o giving too much away...thank you!
When I started the book, I really wanted to root for Heathcliff. By the end of the book, I determined that there was not one redeemable character in it.
It was still a good read, but everyone in it was an awful person.
It's a healthy reaction, most people who read it for the first time probably aren't sure what to make of it.
@@booktimelearning I loved the book, but they're all crazy. 😂
I think Heathcliff was the personification of Emily Brontë's wild side.
I agree 👍
Heathcliff is the name of our cat. We suspect that it is English as it enjoys a spot of tea.
I first read it at age 11 and loved it
Heathcliff was motivated by revenge. He may be a part of Emily, but isn't all of her.
I can't stop to read Wuthering Heights: I think it is one of the best novel ever written, and Heathcliff one of the more impressive character in universal literature. In a romantic (and victorian) era, Heathcliff is, I think, the only not-romantic, but tragic character that an European writer has managed to depict (the other, great tragic character beeing, in my opinion, in 19th century European language literature, Captain Achab by Herman Melville). Of course, Heathcliff is one part of the main character, for the other half is Catherine, and here things get more complicated... Well, only a pure genius like Emily Brontë could imagine, build and describe him (them) so exquisitely.
I go back to this book over and over and I am always struck by it's beauty and extreme characters. I've always felt that the whole point of the book was not a romance. The romance is deeply undercut by the narrator who in the cold light of day, says he doesn't believe in ghosts at the end. I think the point of the book is to show that the way children are treated MATTERS. It matters if they are treated kindly or with cruelty. It makes a difference to their future behavior, especially as parents. It's nature versus nurture. Many people would have argued in EB's day that Heathcliff was bad because of his background. He came from bad stock and that even growing up with privilege and advantage he is still bad. WH shows us a situation where an innocent child who is viewed by Joseph, his principal tormentor, as evil because of where he comes from. Between beatings and Bible readings where your inherent worthlessness is stressed above all things, it's no wonder he grew up into a cruel man...
I see the book as being about generational abuse. Heathcliff is abused and he goes on to abuse those around him, even his own wife and child. The abuse is also present in Catherine's family. At the end of the novel you have the children preparing to break free of the cycle.
Could Heathcliff have been Cathy's illegitimate brother? Why was he brought into the home?
I agree; and their mutual passion possibly to some degree incestuous. Why does a tough northern farmer bring back a waif and stray, another mouth to feed, from the streets of Liverpool?
And there was no orphan closer to home worthy of his charity?
Illegitimate brother? I never thought of that! Hmmm
I have heard others discuss this. You are not the only one.
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Just watched wuthering heights with Tom Hardy. I've read the book countless times. Heathcliff I believe was forgiven by the children then took his leave to be with his beloved.
That was the version I watched, and just found out a few weeks ago that they got married in real life after that, unreal...
Tom Hardy was phenomenal as Heathcliff.....he portrayed all the heart and cruelty of heathcliff's character beautifully.....my favourite version of all.
I have read this book twice. The last time I read it I threw it across the living room. 😂 There are some very miserable characters in it. The characters Heathcliff and Catherine are very self-absorbed with themselves and with each other. At the end, maybe they both become ghosts haunting the moors. Outside Heaven, hell, or Purgatory they are "doomed"? to spend eternity with the self-absorption of each other. I don't know if this will get very old or not. Seems like its own kind of hell. The other people in their lives are much happier without them stirring up trouble. Peace at last from the attention seekers. Whew!
There’s a reason Heathcliff is one of the most memorable villains in literature. There has never quite been a character like him and never will be. You may think that some bad boys have a little more flair and sparkle to them (James Steerforth, Sergeant Troy, Stanley Kowalski, Hud) but HC is the one who helps you understand why this is not a path you want to take. Emily Brontë gives him plenty of chances to move away from his plot of revenge against all the people he believes were responsible for his romance gone wrong but never does because forgiveness and healing are concepts people like him will never understand or accept. In the end he gets everything he wanted but dies alone. Then you have Haerton the stable boy who was raised the same way as HC and used to harsh words and hard knocks but instead of becoming like HC, he is a kind, gentle soul anyone would want as a friend. Pain can make you cruel and jaded or it can make you wise and compassionate. The choice is yours.
Heathcliff came from a culture that valued vengeance above Christian forgiveness and loyalty above self-indulgence.
I seriously wonder if Heathcliffe were the illegitimate half-brother of Cathy.
I have wondered this myself...especially because Mr. Earnshaw dotes on him so much...
@@cinemaocd1752 Maybe he just liked him better than his frankly awful kids. Maybe he saw somebody he would have liked to be.
His sudden appearance with the father of the family suggests the same to me .
who stole my pheasant - - - I love it. Interesting background story on the social standards of the time. Makes one wonder what we don't know. Almost a caste system.
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Who punishes Heathcliff during his birthday party?