Sanders never over commits in his movement. Lots of whip and snap. He's in control of his body. He's still in great shape today. Compliments to both fighters.
While these old karate tournament clips are nostalgic to watch, every time I see them, it becomes crystal clear why full-contact and MMA completely eclipsed them. "Tag, you're it" and "I have to adjust my gi" just can't compete with "knock-down-drag-out-submission-last-man-standing".
Exactly what I was thinking watching this. What does a " tag, your it " prove anyway ? It's not realistic at all. Barely any contact being made. It doesn't show who the better fighter is. It's just two guys doing hand motions in the air.
The point fighting of old had and has its place. Not everthing is about tatted-up, rubbed-eared, people in bikini briefs. A lot of these people have nowhere near the technique they would have if they had more formal training (like the old point karate guys) that you would be surprised how rough it used to get in those matches.A lot of MMA, BJJ het their asses handed to regularly in real, multiple opponent street fights...it happens all the time.
Judges are very biased. I've gotten injuries because judges refused to punish my opponent for breaking the rules whilst we're fighting (I was winning before I got injured)
My first tournament was the Internationals been training only 1 month. Saw Steve Sanders an I was blown away with his speed and control. Joe Lewis beat everyone that day though.
I am looking at supernatural in action! Phenomenal is an understatement. Truly sport MMA fighters of today are so far behind the growth curve it's not even funny.
He was very fast Steve Sanders, both forward and back, and his twitch reflex was excellent as well as his balance and angles. He divided each second into sixty, then divided it again by sixty, he was really fast.
From the start Bob took down Sanders quickly! It looked pretty.even but I give Bob the edge in this fight cause if you can see well bob was pretty slick with kicks and hands.. good video!
I thought that was him ,just got a copy of one of his book of Power Training yesterday that he did with Low Fong , I own them years ago and now I purchase them as reference books for my son and myself also. Ron had real accomplishments in the martial arts in his chosen style of Karate.
My old friend and teacher fought Mr. Sanders in the early ‘70s at Ed Parker’s Internationals in Long Beach in the team competition finals. My friend was VERY upset at the scoring. I believe that Mr Parker was Mr. Sanders’ teacher. Back then I believe that point tournaments were quite political in their scoring. Anytime the promoter of a large tournament allows his students to compete, the scoring is subject to suspicion when his students win. That’s is not to say anything bad about Mr. Sanders who was obviously very talented. When my friend would make light contact they wouldn’t count it and when he finally drilled Mr. Sanders in the chest, almost driving him out of the ring, they didn’t count that either because he hit him too hard.
When Steve Sanders Muhammad fought in the Internationals, any judge who trained in Ed Parker's Kenpo recused himself; that is, he wasn't allowed to judge the fight.
Watch enter the dragon when Jim Kelly is saying goodbye to his dojo to go to Hans islandZ. Who Does he give a hug too? Steve Sanders. So being Steve was in a Bruce Lee movie..it’s safe to say that Lee in fact DiD know Steve Sanders.
Power Training for Kung Fu & Karate and Advance Power Training in Kung Fu & Karate with Low Fong ,Ron had many accomplishments in the fighting arts. Just got recopied of both books one just yesterday.
@@yuewenb I wish there were more videos of him fighting in tournaments. He was amazing and won alot of tournaments. Wish he was still alive Hes gone but not forgotten thats for sure.
I trained from White to Green with Bob in Sherman Oaks school under head instructor Pat Johnson. Bob was very fast and great to spar with. He left us too soon.
sanders had great athleticism..great !!! but his timing was superb, much better than most. Me? i am a yamashita blCK BELT since '75...admittably mediocre at best. I envied him for movements back then that was beyond me.
Anyone who thinks this stuff might be a good form of self defense or is real fighting has not competed in any real combat situation, ie Wrestling, Boxing, Muitaikickboxing or even a crude brutal street fight, this stuff is hard to watch with out laughing
It's spelled Muay Thai. Watch Benny Urquidez and Andy Hug.....they fought full contact....not to mention Lyoto Machida and Stephen Thompson......you're talking out of your ass.
Щас после всех мма и к-1 это так смешно смотрится)))) интересно как бы они со своими дерганиями в реальном бою то показали результаты))) может и правда супер скорость выручила бы но что то мне подсказывает что Шлеменко каждого из них бы побил
Are you suggesting that they would use the same techniques in combat, or that this peace-time approach is all that they are able to either understand or produce?
there is something all the MMA fanboys are missing. its LOOKS like tag because they are not trying to knock each other out. If that was the goal, it would look quite a bit different.
@@frankderossi795are you familiar with the formation of the Korean tangsoodo & taekwondo? I am curious- because the disproportionate emotional response of your’s makes me question your awareness of the origin of modern Korean Arts…
@@kiaikarate5387 I'm quite aware. and it's also quite insulting that you insinuate that somehow Korean martial arts has some kind of Japanese origin. that's what you're insinuating and that's very insulting and disrespectful!
This might be nostalgic to some .. but not me. This represents an era of really bad karate .. go back and look at the all Japan karate tournaments going on at this time … you see contact and way more skill. In many ways I think Americans at this time tried to circumvent hard work and experience. Getting frustrated not getting promoted to upper Dans (when clearly they lacked a total understanding of Karate application) you often saw them break away and form their own federation citing petty differences. The result was so often a form of kick boxing with rudimentary self defense practices (not really karate as far as budo is concerned. Point sparring imo is not really this… this is a demonstration is posturing as much as is what not to do… void by both is controlling the other person’s maai (distance and timing ) setting up the ipon etc. Point sparring does have benefits when done correctly. A few of UFC Machida’s victories were based on waza he perfected point sparing Same goes for Raphael Aghayev in any of his full contact matches
Wow, the there’s some really stupid and ignorant comments here, more of the same “MMA this and that” garbage. This wasn’t full contact, it was a point match. Apples and oranges. Even American boxing has light contact matches. Not all fights have full contact rules.
Sorry but this looks like glorified patty-cake. Glad modern MMA developed so that we could see which traditional techniques really worked and what didn’t…
Ma quando fanno dimostrazioni di Kata sono tutti dei mostri nelle tecniche poi quando combattono in una gara fanno schifo mah non l ho mai capito sta cosa saltellano solo ogni tanto si fanno un colpo anche imperfetti e sbilanciati che rendono il karate ma schifezza e sono pure campioni ma di che del zompa zompa?😔
There must be limits. One hit can be deadly so they have to hold back. The rules are our friend, and there was no rules or padding. In MMA, you can do more but with gloves.
Sanders never over commits in his movement. Lots of whip and snap. He's in control of his body. He's still in great shape today. Compliments to both fighters.
Nice
While these old karate tournament clips are nostalgic to watch, every time I see them, it becomes crystal clear why full-contact and MMA completely eclipsed them. "Tag, you're it" and "I have to adjust my gi" just can't compete with "knock-down-drag-out-submission-last-man-standing".
Very true. The only 2 I can think that really took it to the next level, were Bill Wallace and Urquidez
@@mrv1271 yep, two of the best . And also Joe Lewis.
Exactly what I was thinking watching this. What does a " tag, your it " prove anyway ? It's not realistic at all. Barely any contact being made. It doesn't show who the better fighter is. It's just two guys doing hand motions in the air.
Yeah, it's sorta goofy to watch.
The point fighting of old had and has its place. Not everthing is about tatted-up, rubbed-eared, people in bikini briefs. A lot of these people have nowhere near the technique they would have if they had more formal training (like the old point karate guys) that you would be surprised how rough it used to get in those matches.A lot of MMA, BJJ het their asses handed to regularly in real, multiple opponent street fights...it happens all the time.
Am I the only one who sees that NO ONE could stop Steve !! Time after time he was ROBED !!!! Miss you Steve ..
Judges are very biased. I've gotten injuries because judges refused to punish my opponent for breaking the rules whilst we're fighting (I was winning before I got injured)
Yes, he was robbed out a number of points.
Good to see Steve Sanders in his prime in actual competition.
Mr. Muhammad.
@@monroekelly9064 like he said steve sanders
He lost this fight.
@@monroekelly9064
Pfff
@@pichmolm, SM won.
My first tournament was the Internationals been training only 1 month. Saw Steve Sanders an I was blown away with his speed and control. Joe Lewis beat everyone that day though.
I always loved Sander's receding hairline with the long sideburns! 👍
Never saw him SS in person. But on film and video, he is certainly one of the fastest karate men I've seen.
That leg sweep look awesome!
I am looking at supernatural in action! Phenomenal is an understatement. Truly sport MMA fighters of today are so far behind the growth curve it's not even funny.
Great control. Something one does not see as much nowadays.
Watching this at 1/2 speed further shows Sander's self control and skilled hand work.
BKF Legend
Sanders might very well have become faster as he grew older.
Steve Sanders had one fastest backhanded, saw it in this fight, one very quick backhanded
He was very fast Steve Sanders, both forward and back, and his twitch reflex was excellent as well as his balance and angles. He divided each second into sixty, then divided it again by sixty, he was really fast.
Total respect for Mr sanders but Bob caught him several times "with control" but didn't get a point. You can see it in slo mo.
That most certainly happened to Sanders as well, at least two clear points he was robbed of.
From the start Bob took down Sanders quickly! It looked pretty.even but I give Bob the edge in this fight cause if you can see well bob was pretty slick with kicks and hands.. good video!
Bob won
If Bobby didn't get the nod, he got screwed, and if it was at parker's internationals, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Ron Marchini is the ref 🤙🏼
I thought that was him ,just got a copy of one of his book of Power Training yesterday that he did with Low Fong , I own them years ago and now I purchase them as reference books for my son and myself also.
Ron had real accomplishments in the martial arts in his chosen style of Karate.
@@powerplay4real174 I read that book years ago when I was a teenager. Great book. Ron and Leo Fong were bad ass!
Man he should have never cut that fro off, that thing was epic! I always loved to see him in the movies, I'd love to meet him in real life.
Steve was a real Master when karate mattered.
The prime, when Budo got totaly twisted and misunderstood, just the scoring in their mind...
Sanders is fast, great time and beautiful technique
My old friend and teacher fought Mr. Sanders in the early ‘70s at Ed Parker’s Internationals in Long Beach in the team competition finals. My friend was VERY upset at the scoring. I believe that Mr Parker was Mr. Sanders’ teacher. Back then I believe that point tournaments were quite political in their scoring. Anytime the promoter of a large tournament allows his students to compete, the scoring is subject to suspicion when his students win. That’s is not to say anything bad about Mr. Sanders who was obviously very talented. When my friend would make light contact they wouldn’t count it and when he finally drilled Mr. Sanders in the chest, almost driving him out of the ring, they didn’t count that either because he hit him too hard.
When Steve Sanders Muhammad fought in the Internationals, any judge who trained in Ed Parker's Kenpo recused himself; that is, he wasn't allowed to judge the fight.
@@TomBleecker Thanks! I had never heard that.
@@donelmore2540 That applies to every style and system, by the way, not just Kenpo. Cheers
Very good. Fighting a lot karate. The tecnique well showing. I ever did hana learn karate. But today I'm professor of Brazilian luta livre.
Bruce Lee said that Steve Sanders was the fastest martial artist he'd ever seen.
Bruce lee doesn't even know him, lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@henryrhee47 Not at all!!! 🤣😅🤣
Watch enter the dragon when Jim Kelly is saying goodbye to his dojo to go to Hans islandZ. Who
Does he give a hug too? Steve Sanders. So being Steve was in a Bruce Lee movie..it’s safe to say that Lee in fact DiD know Steve Sanders.
@@ericrecano8557 not only did he know Bruce but Mr Muhammad and Bruce worked out
@@pichmolmBruce did know him and watched film on Steve. So why would you speak on something you know nothing about?
With Ron Marchini as ref👍🏿👍🏿
Power Training for Kung Fu & Karate and Advance Power Training in Kung Fu & Karate with Low Fong ,Ron had many accomplishments in the fighting arts. Just got recopied of both books one just yesterday.
@@powerplay4real174 Wow! Wish I could find the Leo Fong and Marchini books!!!
That’s my cousin in the white fighting
Your cousin was an awesome Martial Artist! He was my first Instructor in the Martial Arts. He is missed! Don
@@yuewenb I wish there were more videos of him fighting in tournaments. He was amazing and won alot of tournaments. Wish he was still alive Hes gone but not forgotten thats for sure.
I trained from White to Green with Bob in Sherman Oaks school under head instructor Pat Johnson. Bob was very fast and great to spar with. He left us too soon.
Don't think much of his ability at all.
Lots of arms waving about and his kicks are slow.
@@ianrobinson5057 whats it like having downs syndrome?
Fantastic fight
Once again. A good Judo sweep leaves karate for dead.
Many of the top Karate competitors back then were strong Judo black belts too.
Karate guys knew how to sweep without studying judo. And throw
@@jerrywoods4066
🤣 yeah sure. That’s why I keep throwing karate guys on the floor, every single spar night.
@@mrv1271 don't care what you say they know how to sweep and throw . Nice try
@@jerrywoods4066
They don’t man. Seriously, otherwise it’d be called Judo.
Jim Kelly said all you had to do is hit sanders hard and he would completely back off and start running.
Jim Kelly came right out of a comic book!
Реальное карате,скорость впечатляет.
This is cool!
One strike and ref. repositions them?? This is NOT real fighting!! haha
Was that Ron Marchini as referee or a look alike? Steve Sanders (don't know what his new name is) still had very fast hands
Ron Marchini keeping it clean and fare for the folks.
Got his book on Power Training 1&2 ,just got 2 yesterday.
Steve Muhammad now!!!
@@TonyqTNT Thank you!!
its ron from madera/fresno
Cool
sanders had great athleticism..great !!! but his timing was superb, much better than most. Me? i am a yamashita blCK BELT since '75...admittably mediocre at best. I envied him for movements back then that was beyond me.
Those days
Damn so who won?
Vic Moore, rumor only
good fighters ✌👊👊👊
Good
What kind of dancing is this?
Что за танцы?
Anyone who thinks this stuff might be a good form of self defense or is real fighting has not competed in any real combat situation, ie Wrestling, Boxing, Muitaikickboxing or even a crude brutal street fight, this stuff is hard to watch with out laughing
It's spelled Muay Thai. Watch Benny Urquidez and Andy Hug.....they fought full contact....not to mention Lyoto Machida and Stephen Thompson......you're talking out of your ass.
Tell Jean Yves Theriault that or even Don Wilson. Crude brutal street fight? 🤣🤣🤣
They all started in point karate. Teaches you distance and timing. BJ Penn did really well in his last street fight....no offense to the prodigy.
I had to the opportunity to loose to Steve back in 73
Is he an incredible fighter?and was the story about vic Moore beating Bruce in speed contest the Truth?
@@jonesfredrick94 that question is on everyone mind
@@cback2250 yeah that's the question no one want's answer, like they scared to tell the truth or not
@@jonesfredrick94 I hope someone who was there confirm the truth.
That's Ron Marchini as Referee, I believe....
It is
Alot of comments misunderstanding ippon-kumite . In early times people knew one strike one kill, today ? Lol !
I know the referee. Later, he became an actor. Ron Marchini
Щас после всех мма и к-1 это так смешно смотрится)))) интересно как бы они со своими дерганиями в реальном бою то показали результаты))) может и правда супер скорость выручила бы но что то мне подсказывает что Шлеменко каждого из них бы побил
Are you suggesting that they would use the same techniques in combat, or that this peace-time approach is all that they are able to either understand or produce?
There's rumor Bruce Lee beaten quite a few professional martial artist but Steve Sanders is definitely not one of them.
I think Bruce Lee was quoted to say that Steve Sanders was the fastest martial artist he ever saw!!!
@@TonyqTNT True and Bruce also talked about his speed of his kicks.
He never fought anybody
@@jerrywoods4066 Yep Bruce never officially fought anyone...
@@genesisstar81 he loved Jhoon rhees kicks.
Sensei Ron Marchini at center judge!
Уровень первоклашки на перемене .
No one can beat Bruce Lee
@@NativeBlackADOS Bruce Lee wose not actor only wose great master
Yaa so why men fithers and Grand Masters give him respect why the continue spiking to him you remember he created jkd
@@NativeBlackADOS l ask you why
Men champions like chakinoris Jim Kelly and etc. Give him respect why
@@NativeBlackADOS Bruce Lee beat 10 champions
Hudson howks from Great leaks
Osh 👍👍👍👍
NEVER meet your hero you may be severely disappointed.
What makes you say that?
Any of you "warriors" can fight Steve (Sanders) Muhammed anytime you want and I guarantee you that he'd prove what those "tag" matches were good for.
So who won ?? 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Steve Sanders...Clearly.
Did he win lol
os dois atletas dessa modalidade, NÃO tem força nos golpes, se mexem muito mas não tem um golpe para decidir , para marcar o ponto, luta fraca
there is something all the MMA fanboys are missing. its LOOKS like tag because they are not trying to knock each other out. If that was the goal, it would look quite a bit different.
Смех а не боевое искусство!)))
And can you do any better?
#mcduffy #kajukenbo #inglewood #salute
Yessa
My two favorite arts Korea Karate & Kenpo Karate
!!!
Korean karate? GET OUT!
@@frankderossi795 are you serious?
@@kiaikarate5387 with your ignorant comment, you might as well call kung fu Japanese. Stop being a Japanese ass kisser!
@@frankderossi795are you familiar with the formation of the Korean tangsoodo & taekwondo? I am curious- because the disproportionate emotional response of your’s makes me question your awareness of the origin of modern Korean Arts…
@@kiaikarate5387 I'm quite aware. and it's also quite insulting that you insinuate that somehow Korean martial arts has some kind of Japanese origin. that's what you're insinuating and that's very insulting and disrespectful!
This might be nostalgic to some .. but not me. This represents an era of really bad karate .. go back and look at the all Japan karate tournaments going on at this time … you see contact and way more skill.
In many ways I think Americans at this time tried to circumvent hard work and experience. Getting frustrated not getting promoted to upper Dans (when clearly they lacked a total understanding of Karate application) you often saw them break away and form their own federation citing petty differences.
The result was so often a form of kick boxing with rudimentary self defense practices (not really karate as far as budo is concerned.
Point sparring imo is not really this… this is a demonstration is posturing as much as is what not to do… void by both is controlling the other person’s maai (distance and timing ) setting up the ipon etc.
Point sparring does have benefits when done correctly. A few of UFC Machida’s victories were based on waza he perfected point sparing
Same goes for Raphael Aghayev in any of his full contact matches
Speed to spare
I'm not saying Sanders won or lost this match, but he sure was robbed out of a couple points.
COOL G RAPP Grandmaster
Что за поддавки?
Long hair do not help in fight.
Белому чуваку волосы мешают!!!
Good competitors, bad refereeing. Sorry, that is what I see.
Wow, the there’s some really stupid and ignorant comments here, more of the same “MMA this and that” garbage.
This wasn’t full contact, it was a point match. Apples and oranges.
Even American boxing has light contact matches. Not all fights have full contact rules.
I agree real Clowns on the comments
жуткое зрелище....
And can you do any better?
Sorry but this looks like glorified patty-cake. Glad modern MMA developed so that we could see which traditional techniques really worked and what didn’t…
素手かよ。。アメリカでもそんな時代があったんだな
Archaïc.......
Non fighters have no clue, blah blah blah
Ridiculous! Fake karate.
Sijo Steve Muhammad.
Karate being gay for 1000 years
Hush...
@@jonathanchark5291 He needs to feel special-let him!
@@kiaikarate5387 lol
Ma quando fanno dimostrazioni di Kata sono tutti dei mostri nelle tecniche poi quando combattono in una gara fanno schifo mah non l ho mai capito sta cosa saltellano solo ogni tanto si fanno un colpo anche imperfetti e sbilanciati che rendono il karate ma schifezza e sono pure campioni ma di che del zompa zompa?😔
What it is, ballet?🙄
Que luta horrível
ерунда, дрыгалка!
Uma porcaria!!
There must be limits. One hit can be deadly so they have to hold back. The rules are our friend, and there was no rules or padding. In MMA, you can do more but with gloves.