Just dropping a comment to say I love your videos overall. As a carpenter for 8 years I have learned a lot, but I still have a lot to learn. Got through an apprenticeship doing a lot of framing, roofing, siding, drywall, and some trim. Finish work is what I enjoy the most and I hope to one day do it with the same quality and efficiency as you do. Your videos have helped me so much already, and I'll be trying to get through them all one day. Keep it up!
Fast Cap is a great innovator that continues to impress. Now, as others have pointed out, they need to develop similar fences for other major brands / saws. .
Great informative overview of the crownstop fence Spencer! This was a nearly perfect product when it was submitted to fastcap initially a while ago and was improved even more with feedback from the beta test tradesman group over a few months of testing to get those wishlist features in there (higher fence height, better knobs, and a few other tweaks.) I've all ready chucked my factory fences in the trash. Great add on for the Dewalt saw line up. I think there is only one of the many dewalt saws that you have to watch how close you set the stops to the blade as that particular model (carpenterone3's has that saw) must have a different stop block in the receiving part of the factory fence slot. Easy fix to just trim/grind it for that specific model. Great video!
I thought you were going to say $450.00 or something. 150.00 isn’t bad at all if you’re a professional. They’ll pay for themselves many times over real quick . I love it that the stops stay with the tool. You’ll never have to search for them if they were to get misplaced.
These are great. The Kizen fence has a similar crown stop which I believe is a bit more versatile HOWEVER the trade off is that the Kizen is quite thick in comparison. Will be interested to see if Fastcap starts making these for other saws.
Been looking at the Kizen fence for a while now, but just didn't want to spend the $450. It's much more versatile though, and I don't use stop blocks for miter cuts very often. I think I'll order a set of these, as the crown stops are the main thing I need.
Love it..can’t wait to order some,of course through your link! You need to be compensated for the xtra time it takes for sharing your knowledge..thanks Spencer
If Woodpecker sold them they might deem it equitable to trade for your truck straight up! One thing about these operations is they do not mind taking your money.
I use the Kizen fence which has pins that are removable, so you can bounce back and forth to cutting base vertically or anything else without losing your crown setup. It would be a no go for you though because it adds thickness.
If people reply to this comment, what saw would you like to see us make next. We will use this feedback to determine which saw we do next. Thanks everyone. Scott Fontana
As a cabinet installer cutting prefinished trim. It's very difficult to find a good square saw out of the box,and can take a lot of time to get bed/table/back in plane and at 90°. Are they machined properly? A prefinished outside corner separates the diy,from a professional.
I checked this set and they are the same as the stock fences in terms of square. Both can be slightly out of square depending on how you tighten the wet screw.
@InsiderCarpentry thanks Spencer! Using a bottom mounted stop gets annoying, it's difficult to find 46 degrees etc...and I needed to drill holes near the zeroes .
Thanks for the review. I bought mine as soon as Fastcap had them available. I had the same problem with the left side fence. Had to file it down a bit, then it worked fine. I also noticed they sit out just a bit from the fixed fence and found them to lean in a bit more compared to the factory fence. Am thinking of trying to file them to correct them. Do yours sit in correctly or do you have the same problem? Otherwise I like them, using mostly for cabinet crown.
Mine sit pretty good. The only way I have seen to correct fence tilt is to tap a bolt into the back to add tension and adjustment. But I fine that the fences are close enough for baseboard and crown install.
The stock sliding fence doesn't remain square after I tighten the nut. Are the aftermarket units square after you install them and tighten the back nut? Thanks
Wondering if you can think of any advantages of using the stops on the fence rather than the crown stop on the base of the saw. Thinking of building myself some miter wings and want to know if I should router out a crown stop jig in them. Thanks Spencer
When making a cut on crown, in the nested position, the saw blade wants to pull the material upward. Having stops on the fence prevents the material from moving upwards during the cut. When using a crown stop on the base there is a chance the material moves away from your stop as you cut, making cuts inaccurate.
A continuous crown stop across the saw base is always going to be the most accurate imo. But sometimes you just need something fast with the ability to still cut flat stock, that is where the fence stops shine.
Not perfect, I found them to be equal to what I get with the factory fences. They tend to cant inward depending on how much you tighten the set screws.
@@InsiderCarpentry a tad disappointing. If there’s one thing that leaves a little to be desired with the saw it’s the quality of the fences. And maybe lateral blade stability that requires good technique but that’s probably unavoidable give their slider design. But love the capacity for base standing up so…
If you are referring to the wings, there are a few videos on his channel. Search miter saw wings. Good that you watch. One of the better places to up your trim game.
Too much maybe to ask a saw manufacturer for flip up crown stops that are built into the base of the saw. Flip up for crown and down and recessed out of the way - for base or flat stock. Possibly building this feature yourself into your wings might be an interesting project. Crown stops at the saw base are going to provide more consistent cuts than crown stops at the fence IMO. Of course shorties will not reach a stop on the wings but that’s a good time to just use a pencil mark on the base of the saw. And now for a little bit of a rant. What I liked best about this video is that you filmed it in front of the trump border wall. You get a close look at the mismatched heights of the lower line of the entire “bulk head”. Any idea why it drops in that one section. Still looks like a mistake that the architect, designer or framer should have picked up on. The interior design elevation drawings (from the slat wall video) shows the intent for that line to be continuous over the support columns. But field conditions show otherwise. Somebody should own that one, IMO. Hard to rant about anything on this channel but I try.
Those drawing are a suggestion at best. We made many revisions in the field. Interior designers often don't understand how things have to be built in real life so we communicate on those things and make changes as needed.
@@InsiderCarpentry of course. Just thinking the short portico section of girder (bulkhead) could have been upset or the balance could have been packed down the entire length to achieve a clean line. If a clean line was the architects original design intent. And I expect it was or maybe should have been.
If builder, architect and design criticisms are a problem because they may read them, I can tone it down. The fact is, these homes and the execution of your finish work in them…are typically flawless. From what I can see in the videos at least. Finish carpenters have the opportunity to cover or fix a multitude of framing and drywall sins.
I get the idea, but as a woodworker of 15 plus yrs.. some of these things are overkill imo..ive been screwing on a peice of wood to the fence for yrs..yes the pivot point moves but just use a tape meausure..and it also works as a zero clearance ..none of those aftermarket fences are zero clearance..please dont become a sales man even if they send you free stuff..ive never used anything like that ever so i dont see any need..bit to each there own..
I get sent stuff all the time. Rarely do I share it. This product genuinely impressed my. For my needs I was more impressed with the fact that I could have a higher fence without adding material to the face of the fences. That's the big value add for me and well worth promoting to other guys like me. I much prefer these new fences to what I had before and that is why I made the video.
Love this. I always had my crown stop in the front so I had to dedicate the time to only doing crown, because cutting on the flat was not available until I removed it. Great tool. I would buy these for sure as a finish carpenter using my miter saw every day.
How do they flush up with the bottom of the fence once you tighten them up? The right side factory fence on my saw tips the top back a light sixteenth when you tighten it up and there is really no way to shim it.
I had to sand mine to get them to slide smooth too. That was no biggie. One of my favorite aspects was that the fence was perfectly square to the base on both sides. The original fence was off, leaning back more than 1/16 .
THANKS FOR SUPPORTING THIS GREAT PRODUCT!!!
Crown Stop Fences by FastCap - www.fastcap.com/product/Crown-Stop-Fence
Is there anything like that for the kapex?
Hi Spence, I just got mine and when I installed them they're not square with the base of the miter saw, any advice in how I can maybe fix that
Just dropping a comment to say I love your videos overall. As a carpenter for 8 years I have learned a lot, but I still have a lot to learn. Got through an apprenticeship doing a lot of framing, roofing, siding, drywall, and some trim. Finish work is what I enjoy the most and I hope to one day do it with the same quality and efficiency as you do. Your videos have helped me so much already, and I'll be trying to get through them all one day. Keep it up!
Man my wife is gonna ban me from watching your videos😂😂😂. This is definitely a production upgrade.
My wife used to say, "You better not be spending money" every time she heard Spencer's voice.
The real question is: Will Paul's saw get a set?
Order mine today! 😂 for my Goochi saw honey 🤷♂️😂
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Fast Cap is a great innovator that continues to impress. Now, as others have pointed out, they need to develop similar fences for other major brands / saws. .
Definitely worth it for a professional trim carpenter. The extra efficiency you would gain makes it a no brainer.
Buying these! Was eyeing kizen but didn’t like the narrow crown stop. Really like the elongated crown stop on these. I’m sold
Great informative overview of the crownstop fence Spencer! This was a nearly perfect product when it was submitted to fastcap initially a while ago and was improved even more with feedback from the beta test tradesman group over a few months of testing to get those wishlist features in there (higher fence height, better knobs, and a few other tweaks.) I've all ready chucked my factory fences in the trash. Great add on for the Dewalt saw line up. I think there is only one of the many dewalt saws that you have to watch how close you set the stops to the blade as that particular model (carpenterone3's has that saw) must have a different stop block in the receiving part of the factory fence slot. Easy fix to just trim/grind it for that specific model. Great video!
I thought you were going to say $450.00 or something. 150.00 isn’t bad at all if you’re a professional. They’ll pay for themselves many times over real quick . I love it that the stops stay with the tool. You’ll never have to search for them if they were to get misplaced.
These are great. The Kizen fence has a similar crown stop which I believe is a bit more versatile HOWEVER the trade off is that the Kizen is quite thick in comparison. Will be interested to see if Fastcap starts making these for other saws.
And how much they want for that fence system?
@@duartepaintinghandymanservices they offer a few different options with varying prices but the largest kit with all the accessories is around $400
@@jpesce23ful yea thats insane
Been looking at the Kizen fence for a while now, but just didn't want to spend the $450. It's much more versatile though, and I don't use stop blocks for miter cuts very often. I think I'll order a set of these, as the crown stops are the main thing I need.
Love it..can’t wait to order some,of course through your link! You need to be compensated for the xtra time it takes for sharing your knowledge..thanks Spencer
This is a fantastic product. Great job on the video Spencer 👍
I dont need one but you make me want one
Was looking for details on the outfield support tallies L & R with your stop block assembly looks intriguing
If Woodpecker sold them they might deem it equitable to trade for your truck straight up! One thing about these operations is they do not mind taking your money.
Thanks foe the info!! Just orderd a set for my Dewalt!
I use the Kizen fence which has pins that are removable, so you can bounce back and forth to cutting base vertically or anything else without losing your crown setup. It would be a no go for you though because it adds thickness.
I now have both the kaizen and fastcap fence and I’m going to be selling the kaizen fence.
$450 fk that
If people reply to this comment, what saw would you like to see us make next. We will use this feedback to determine which saw we do next. Thanks everyone. Scott Fontana
Good video. Great explanation as always.
*Welcome back*
Fast cap please make these for Festool Kapex!!
No brainer,total game changer
That's the same problem I had when I got mine but after sanding it fits like a glove
Game changer💯👏👏👏👏👏
I think they will be worth every penny!
Thanks!
Too late to share the link to your video on wainscot where you demonstrated the pivot point concept?
As a cabinet installer cutting prefinished trim.
It's very difficult to find a good square saw out of the box,and can take a lot of time to get bed/table/back in plane and at 90°.
Are they machined properly?
A prefinished outside corner separates the diy,from a professional.
I checked this set and they are the same as the stock fences in terms of square. Both can be slightly out of square depending on how you tighten the wet screw.
@InsiderCarpentry thanks Spencer!
Using a bottom mounted stop gets annoying, it's difficult to find 46 degrees etc...and I needed to drill holes near the zeroes .
Just put in my order!
Thanks for the review. I bought mine as soon as Fastcap had them available. I had the same problem with the left side fence. Had to file it down a bit, then it worked fine. I also noticed they sit out just a bit from the fixed fence and found them to lean in a bit more compared to the factory fence. Am thinking of trying to file them to correct them. Do yours sit in correctly or do you have the same problem? Otherwise I like them, using mostly for cabinet crown.
Mine sit pretty good. The only way I have seen to correct fence tilt is to tap a bolt into the back to add tension and adjustment. But I fine that the fences are close enough for baseboard and crown install.
The stock sliding fence doesn't remain square after I tighten the nut. Are the aftermarket units square after you install them and tighten the back nut? Thanks
Wondering if you can think of any advantages of using the stops on the fence rather than the crown stop on the base of the saw.
Thinking of building myself some miter wings and want to know if I should router out a crown stop jig in them. Thanks Spencer
When making a cut on crown, in the nested position, the saw blade wants to pull the material upward. Having stops on the fence prevents the material from moving upwards during the cut. When using a crown stop on the base there is a chance the material moves away from your stop as you cut, making cuts inaccurate.
A continuous crown stop across the saw base is always going to be the most accurate imo. But sometimes you just need something fast with the ability to still cut flat stock, that is where the fence stops shine.
Man I literally ordered it a few minutes into this video😂😂. Gotta love FastCap.
Are these square (coplanar really, and square to the table) with the low fence? Otherwise seems like a great upgrade to EZ fence
Not perfect, I found them to be equal to what I get with the factory fences. They tend to cant inward depending on how much you tighten the set screws.
@@InsiderCarpentry a tad disappointing. If there’s one thing that leaves a little to be desired with the saw it’s the quality of the fences. And maybe lateral blade stability that requires good technique but that’s probably unavoidable give their slider design. But love the capacity for base standing up so…
Take my money
Those look like a must have! Do they only work on DeWalt saws? I'm a trim carpenter as well, but currently using the Bosch miter saw
Only for the dewalt currently.
I like the extended custom base platform do you have any plans that you would be willing to share? I'd like to build one like it for my saw.
If you are referring to the wings, there are a few videos on his channel. Search miter saw wings. Good that you watch. One of the better places to up your trim game.
Does this fit on the new cordless?
Yes it does. Thank you.
Too bad they only have them for dewalt
Value value value
They may appear pricey, but you make money with them everyday and save time = investment.
Too much maybe to ask a saw manufacturer for flip up crown stops that are built into the base of the saw. Flip up for crown and down and recessed out of the way - for base or flat stock. Possibly building this feature yourself into your wings might be an interesting project. Crown stops at the saw base are going to provide more consistent cuts than crown stops at the fence IMO. Of course shorties will not reach a stop on the wings but that’s a good time to just use a pencil mark on the base of the saw. And now for a little bit of a rant. What I liked best about this video is that you filmed it in front of the trump border wall. You get a close look at the mismatched heights of the lower line of the entire “bulk head”. Any idea why it drops in that one section. Still looks like a mistake that the architect, designer or framer should have picked up on. The interior design elevation drawings (from the slat wall video) shows the intent for that line to be continuous over the support columns. But field conditions show otherwise. Somebody should own that one, IMO. Hard to rant about anything on this channel but I try.
Those drawing are a suggestion at best. We made many revisions in the field. Interior designers often don't understand how things have to be built in real life so we communicate on those things and make changes as needed.
@@InsiderCarpentry of course. Just thinking the short portico section of girder (bulkhead) could have been upset or the balance could have been packed down the entire length to achieve a clean line. If a clean line was the architects original design intent. And I expect it was or maybe should have been.
If builder, architect and design criticisms are a problem because they may read them, I can tone it down. The fact is, these homes and the execution of your finish work in them…are typically flawless. From what I can see in the videos at least. Finish carpenters have the opportunity to cover or fix a multitude of framing and drywall sins.
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you would think dewalt would just build this from the start... hint hint dewalt
Does Under Armor send you stuff?
I wish. LOL
I get the idea, but as a woodworker of 15 plus yrs.. some of these things are overkill imo..ive been screwing on a peice of wood to the fence for yrs..yes the pivot point moves but just use a tape meausure..and it also works as a zero clearance ..none of those aftermarket fences are zero clearance..please dont become a sales man even if they send you free stuff..ive never used anything like that ever so i dont see any need..bit to each there own..
I get sent stuff all the time. Rarely do I share it. This product genuinely impressed my. For my needs I was more impressed with the fact that I could have a higher fence without adding material to the face of the fences. That's the big value add for me and well worth promoting to other guys like me. I much prefer these new fences to what I had before and that is why I made the video.
I wonder if they make it for the New 12 inch Makita miter saw?
I purchased them about 3 months ago and love it. Well worth the money if you’re a pro.
Well….I know what my wife is getting me for Christmas ! Thanks to you….😂
Love this. I always had my crown stop in the front so I had to dedicate the time to only doing crown, because cutting on the flat was not available until I removed it. Great tool. I would buy these for sure as a finish carpenter using my miter saw every day.
Thank you, Spencer great video!!!
Will they make it fthe 716!??
In the future.
How do they flush up with the bottom of the fence once you tighten them up? The right side factory fence on my saw tips the top back a light sixteenth when you tighten it up and there is really no way to shim it.
You can tap a set screw into the back of the fence to apply pressure. That's the only way I know of to correct it.
I had to sand mine to get them to slide smooth too. That was no biggie. One of my favorite aspects was that the fence was perfectly square to the base on both sides. The original fence was off, leaning back more than 1/16 .
Outstanding job explaining everything.
Thanks for sharing this product with us got to have them
You're going to make me swap out my three Makita LS1013's for a 12-inch Dewalt miter saw if you keep content like this coming down the pike! 🤣
Well, you'll see soon that I just bought a kapex for my shop so you may want to hold onto the makitas LOL...
@@InsiderCarpentrykapex cordless?
Kind of confusing but interesting.
Will these fit my ridge 12 sliding saw
They are only making them for dewalt currently.
Have you any problem with the tool belt? Advise for a pain back thanks
Is there a way to modify them to fit DWS716XPS?
Pretty sure it fits this saw.
@@BrianKliss fastcap said it didn't fit. I have seen him use the DWS716XPS so was hoping he might have tried it.
@@RobyWanKenobi ahh. Good to know. They have the master list of known saws it works on.
Not to salty in my opinion. But maybe a little bland🥹🥹