Judge shopping scheme backfires on anti-abortion activists with 'embarrassing' case in Supreme Court
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2024
- Arguments against abortion medication heard by the Supreme Court today bordered on the absurd, but because the activists who brought the case specifically sought out rogue judges in lower courts the Supreme Court had to endure the embarrassment of hearing them. Jessica Valenti, writer of "Abortion, every day," Dahlia Lithwick, author of "Lady Justice," and host of the Amicus podcast, and Carrie N. Baker, professor of American Studies at Smith College, discuss with Alex Wagner.
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So let me get this straight. A Texas state judge denied access to this drug across the entire US, but Colorado can't kick a federal president off their ballot? 🤨
Make it make sense.
Rules for thee, not for me.
It's always different
When they do it.
It was a federal judge in Texas. Not a state judge. But this venue-shopping bullcrp is about to stop, hopefully.
@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 except that it was Colorado's state Supreme Court that made the decision to boot trump.
If your religious beliefs prevent you from giving abortive care to a woman, why would you choose to specialize in gynecology or obstetrics? There are dozens of medical specialties you can enter without worrying about being forced to give abortive care.
Excellent point.
Christofascist republican conservative self-acclaimed "proud domestic terrorists," as far back as the Reagan administration, learned long ago that if they can't force their beliefs on people by winning at the ballot box, they can simply infiltrate the institutions they don't like and sabotage them from within, so that they can claim those institutions are corrupt, broken, or ineffective.
Republicans campaign on "government" being corrupt, broken, _and_ ineffective, but in order for this to actually be true, republicans in office have to actively interfere with and sabotage every process of government in order to make it so. Were it not for republican obstruction, the U.S. government would not be nearly as wasteful and ineffectual as it appears to be today.
Not all were OB/Gyne physicians. I believe one was a dentist.
because they know that in that specialty they can very much deny people an abortion, specifically. They choose the place they can do the most harm (or "good" according to their twisted morality).
@@courtneym75 Conservatives read the Hippocratic Oath as the "Hypocritical Oath" and the rule as "First, Do Harm."
Who are these doctors? And what does a dentist have to do with abortion in an emergency room?
I was surprised when they listed a dentist…this is so embarrassing it’s laughable. It seems because the supreme judges are probably lobbied they thought they could come in with a feeble argument and magically win their case. Even if they did, it just means people will go back to the extreme methods that killed most women… they don’t know the lengths one would go…
But it DOES sound like a good argument for banning guns, given the trauma doctors see from gun shot wounds.
Some nurses made that argument in a congressional meeting weeks ago and were cut off.
Oh they want that, so that they can holler and scream about criminals running rampant.
we didn't come here for rational arguments
YES! If the entire point of this case is "the doctor's time" - & whether those idiots said so outright or not, that IS their point - then outlawing guns will save LOTS more time for doctors!
Come and try it. I dare you.
Hey, religious people, if you want to abide by your religion's dress code that is fine, but please leave the rest of us alone.
They are incapable. Their so-called religion demands that they insert themselves into other people's lives and attempt to police them in the name of their "god."
NO
@@ManuelSalasMAnd you wonder why people hate you...
@@ManuelSalasMpray harder. Unless your faith is as non-existent as your little god.
@@ManuelSalasM Why do you continue to insist that free Americans kneel before you in the name of a god you don't really believe in?
Religious authoritarianism doesnt ever make sense. Tax all the churches.
If a doctor has a moral objection to saving a life in an emergency room, THAT DOCTOR SHOULD NOT BE A DOCTOR. That isn't a doctor. That is a person deluded into thinking that being a doctor ALSO includes a duty to decide who SHOULD live and who SHOULD die.
That actually exists. Its called Triage. I know were you were going but you took the wrong route.
@@zerieth6620 triage is about PRIORITY - who needs imediate care, who is not in imediate danger, and so on.
For heaven's sake, had you never saw how a hospital is after a disaster?
@zerieth6620 that's not what triage is.
Newsflash: the vast majority of abortions are elective for selfish reasons. Very, very few involve a life-threatening risk and all of those are approved. Even in the states you disagree with.
@@Jamhael1dude probably lives in the middle of nowhere. Experiences zero natural disasters so of course he's not going to know what it is. Bro probably lives in Kentucky none of that region gets touched by natural disasters. Hurricanes by that point are mearly rain showers and earthquakes don't happen in Kentucky.
Religion needs to stay TF out of politics and medical care. FOH
As a devout atheist, I stand by my creed... RELIGION RUINS EVERYTHING!
No, never
@@ManuelSalasMgo troll, nobody cares what you think.
As a Christian I agree wholeheartedly, politics and religion poison one another.
At most religion should inform part of the moral philosophy a politician uses to make their decisions.
Of course, that would require politicians who have an understanding of morality more sophisticated than 'God wills it!'
@@ManuelSalasMfucking scintillating débatteur, you are
I remember when Christians stood up for the poor and fought for civil rights. What the heck happened?
It wasn’t profitable
MAGA crazies.
I don’t think it is Christians per se that are the problem. A true Christian shows compassion, love, understanding and forgiveness. The people calling themselves “Christians” have a delusion that only their god matters and they are told by their faith leaders that they have to be warriors and fight against all others to achieve their heaven on earth. Ironically, the God of the Jews, Muslims and Christians is the same god but subject to the interpretations of imperfect men who have a personal agenda.
Sadly until we learn true love for our fellow man, all of these religions have lost sight of their purpose. One thing I would say is that we remove any tax exemptions from religious bodies if they participate in pursuing an influence in government. Exempt only those works and properties used for the betterment of their fellow man.
It's also media portrayal, we give all the coverage to the lunatics.
The republican party happened
As a retired Certified Registered Nurse First Assistant, after >50 years I never was called to scrub in on any case without knowing the type of case, mainly Horse Hockey by people who wish to impose their Religious Beliefs on every AMERICAN citizen.
I didn't get that either. Why would you be treating someone you didn't know some medical history or labs, etc. before treating. I know it is practicing medicine but shouldn't you know as many details as possible to treat someone correctly. If not it could cause more harm than good.
@@reginafetty6374 The answer is, if you're lying about it so you can play the crybully.
@@reginafetty6374 , Maybe they work in critical care or emergency medicine.
@@paulgibbon5991 can you say that again but with more sense this time
@@esmeraldagreengate4354 Easy. These people are creating imaginary what-if scenarios because they can't cite any actual cases.
Wish anti-abortionists would show this much effort and enthusiasm in raising children born of other people's unwanted pregnancies... but they do not care about the welfare of the children born.
Or just supporting children and families in general
That will never happen, even though much of the Bible says to help thosr who need it, especially children.
I wish pro-abortionists cared more about life than about ending one selfishly.
They don't care about the kids. They care about the punishment. That's why they try to ban abortion and in the same breath try to ban free lunch for schoolchildren.
Studies have shown that the people who have adopted the most children identify as pro-life. Also, look into charities and nonprofits that cater to helping pregnant women and women with children; they are often pro-life as well. I implore you to look into the ones in your area, maybe even volunteer.👍🏽🙂
What they're arguing is that doctors should be permitted to refuse to perform surgery on a patient because they disapprove of how the patient came to need the surgery. But, of course, only if it's someone needing surgical care after using mifepristone. I doubt they'd defend a doctor who is anti-gun, refusing to perform surgery on someone who accidentally shot themself, or a dermatologist or oncologist refusing to treat someone with skin cancer because it was caused by the patient's willful use of a tanning bed.
I question the ethics of any doctor who would even think about refusing emergency care, regardless of the reason for the need of that care. I hope they aren't calling themselves pro-life, because there is nothing pro-life in refusing to perform emergency surgery. If they are pro-suffering, they shouldn't be allowed to practice medicine.
As they only argue this re, abortion, someone needs to bring suit against these doctors for gender discrimination.
I am convinced that women must fight for the Equal Rights Ammendment.
Yes!
Anti-abortionists will never give-up, so we can't give-up either.
The forces of autocracy and totalitarianism only have to win _once._
Democracy has to win _every single day._
It's only a republic _if we can keep it_ from christofascist conservative republican self-acclaimed "proud domestic terrorists."
We have already won this war.
It was called the American Civil War.
We banned slavery. The good guys won.
Putting 6 birth slavers on the US Supreme Court doesn't change any of that.
Perhaps not voluntarily, but I suspect that they can be induced to give up. The abortions they stop may be their own!
We should call them what they are: forced birthers. They want to force every pregnancy to end in a birth, no matter what the consequences are for the mother.
They can't, because they think they are on a mission from God. To stop them, you must convince them that they're not on a mission from God.
Sorry, no high blood pressure, diabetic, or kidney dialysis for everyone because someone doesn’t believe in the medical care!
Don't forget liver problems because of all the over processed food the mega corps love to feed us.
Appendectomy is murder!
God should protect them, they shouldn't need any other help.
It's coming to that. And you'll have to get a tattoo on your wrist showing how many abortions you've had,with an X to mark each one. If you already have a tattoo there you will have to have it removed.
@@sprig5173maybe medicinal intervention is God’s way of helping folks.
If you’re a doctor that objects to providing certain types of care, DON’T BE a doctor! No one is forcing you. This is a free -ish country. Be a veterinarian. Be a pastor.
I wouldn't let these people anywhere near one of my pets.
Or maybe just be a politician, since they clearly value political activism more than the Hippocratic Oath.
Even animals get spayed. I wonder if they'd object to those procedures also.
@@DanielEidsness Some object to neutering male pets (dogs in particular), because they don't want their sons to be afraid it'll be done to them. (It's actually the men thinking it's not manly to neuter a dog and being squicked out by it.)
@@pamelaj.betz-baron2420
_> because they don't want their sons to be afraid it'll be done to them_
That is just utter nonsense.
For instance, I am a man, but both of my toms are neutered and I have no problem with that - and if I would have dogs instead of my two toms, I'd have them neutered as well because it's just the right thing to do (in addition, neutering free-range cats is mandated by federal law here in Austria since a few years).
And by the way, I'm also working as a volunteer for my local animal shelter's trap/neuter/return programme for feral cats for eight years.
Can we talk about the Alabama ruby red House district seat the Democrats flipped tonight? The Democrat won on the issue of abortion.
Nice!
I think the 3 months before the election we will see a lot of ads showing trump bragging about overturning Roe, Republicans bragging about restricting abortion rights and Republicans talking about placing more political barriers between women and their doctors. That more than anything else will lead to Republican losses in November.
I saw that her district went for Repubs in 2020 by 7 points. That's a 33% swing to blue... in Alabama!
When we vote, we win.
That should sober up the RNC and SCOTUS. I love it.
Trump has no chance to win the white house.
I respectfully l ask all women to vote and protect my young girls from these GOP dogs.
grow a pair
be kind
@@ManuelSalasM
@@ManuelSalasMGrow a conscience.
The irony in all this is that people who behave like you seem to be the ones who preach to everyone else about morality.
@@costidisa what is moral about the killing of the most vulnerable right where most protected they should be?
@@ManuelSalasM So should you.
Those 7 doctors don't read patients' charts before they go into the operating room?
That is indeed one among many absurdist arguments forced-birthers are attempting to make in their frenzied, mouth-foaming zeal to control everyone else's lives.
There have been instances where they actually haven't read the chart. It's more common than you think.
@@lynnrunningdeer7364This. Ask the guy who got the wrong foot amputated. The other one was gangrene plain as day. They cut off the good foot.😢
Emergency trauma doctor don't wait until paperwork is completed. It's called emergency surgery not routine surgery
What if they scrub in and find out they have to treat a Muslim patient? Or a Black patient? Or an atheist?
We need to stop having politicians appoint judges!
You are corect.
Mandatory vasectomies
I don't get it. Is the plaintiffs' argument that doctors might have to save the life of women before knowing if an abortion pill was the trigger for their distress? Are the plaintiffs arguing that doctors are _supposed_ to let their patients die if they think the patient committed a crime?
What am I missing?
The plaintiff is saying that the reason for medical intervention related to the pill is likely higher than the data they presented. That’s all.
What you're "missing" is the fact that you're looking for logic in a place where it fundamentally can't exist.
These people don't actually care about children.
_“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for._
_They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn._
_You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone._
_They are, in short, the perfect people to "love" if you want to claim you "love" Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe._
_Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn._
- Pastor Dave Barnhart
@@TheRealCrimdor
How is that a legal argument for banning the drug?
These same kind of people still claim the COVID vaccines were killing people left and right and they still never sued to take them off the market.
@@avishevin1976 - I’m not saying it is or isn’t a good argument, I’m just explaining to you what the argument they are making is.
@@avishevin1976- She did show evidence today, just don't leave it to MSNBC to let your hear the evidence.
So they'll have enough time to scrub in for a C-section but not in an emergency situation that needs the drug to save lives? Whats wrong there?
What's wrong is letting christofascist republican conservative self-acclaimed "proud domestic terrorists" have any say in the process to begin with.
They're deciding who will live and die🥺. Not in my lifetime, VOTE BLUE 2024
💙🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@@susanfrederick448exactly! They are going after IVF as well. I thought they wanted more babies to make as slaves for corporations.
@@reginafetty6374 They think fewer abortions will result in more babies being put up for adoption, so "unnatural" IVF can be done away with, because there will be enough babies for everyone who wants one, but can't have "their own."
@@susanfrederick448 Maybe, but some people/doctors also want to force pregnant people with life-threatening conditions to have c-sections rather than (any or just late-term?) abortions, as one of the said. ...but who needs logic?
It's simple. The 7 Doctors can chose a different line of work. It's a privilege to serve your patients, not your right.
I don’t understand why their “beliefs” overrule the Hippocratic Oath?
These “doctors” should loose their license to practice.
Doctors have an oath to do no harm. If you can't do the job, quit. You do not deserve to touch any patient.
If I'm reading your comment correctly, the delusion is so deep it's almost beyond discussion with you. How about do no harm to a growing babe in the womb?
The court is d*cking around with these worthless cases while we wait for them to hear and decide on Trumps immunity claim.
trump's immunity fantasy is worthless (but needs to be ruled on and sent packing once and for all). Women's rights to healthcare is not worthless and also needs to be dealt with so rogue judges can't treat women as non citizens.
Stall tactics for Pumpkin Head is beyond ridiculous
@@2010bigfathen Yep, there is a two tier justice system all right and it is totally in Trump's favour.
Yeah, duck 'n dodge
Mandatory vasectomies
Yikes!!!! if I were a woman, I'd be scared to death at the thought of a DENTIST scrubbing to care for me following an adverse reaction to Mifepristone.
In what world and timeline has a dentist been required to participate in such care?
So if I’m a doctor who morally objects to suicide, I would scrub out of treating a patient in the OR who had a self-inflected injury?
I don't fully understand their argument. They scrub in and then find out a patient once took this pill? Why would they only know at that point.?
The SUPREME Court actually took this ridiculous case. Where are we?
It's a good thing they did. At the moment access to the drug is restricted nationwide thanks to overreach by that Texas so-called judge.
It's well explained. There's a "ladder" of crackpot judges that the crackpot litigators can recruit crackpot complainants to file crackpot lawsuits in the select district. (Texas, of course.) Then since the crackpot result has to do with a nationwide law: the crackpot Comstock Act, the Supreme court is all that's left.
Right? Just like full ammunity for Trump 🙄
@sealand000 Hopefully he will get removed.
@@sealand000Yeah, for once, SCOTUS isn't to blame for taking this case. Republican-appointed appeal judges partially upheld the lower court's order restricting mifepristone. SCOTUS seems poised to overturn the lower court's order entirely.
So when we say "Why is SCOTUS even hearing this case?" What we mean is, "Why are judges in Amarillo and the 5th Circuit so activist, so extreme, that even the Roberts court is slapping them down?"
The supreme Court should not even listen to any cases that are hypothetical harm.
To overrule the Texas judge, they have to listen to this garbage.
When was the boundery between church and state burnt?
The day trump had jackboots clear a lawful, peaceful protest so he could hold an upside-down bible in front of a church.
That was "the signal" to christofascists across the country to "stand back and stand by."
Pretty much. That’s what the ultra-conservative Christian right wants and is something they’ve been working on since the ‘80s and the moral majority. Thanks to Mitch McConnell holding up Obama’s appointing Merrick Garland to SCOTUS and trump they finally succeeded in packing SCOTUS and a bunch of federal judgeships to to lifetime seats on circuit courts, like Kazmerik in TX and Aileenn Cannon.
1981, and again in 2017
When the Republicans became MAGAts
In 2022, in Kennedy v. Bremerton School District (2022), the Supreme Court said that the Lemon test had been abandoned and, instead, shifted to a new jurisprudence of interpreting the establishment clause “by 'reference to historical practices and understandings.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SCOTUS DECISION.
Name the doctors in this case and where they work so patients know where not to go to seek treatment.
That was Josh Hawley’s wife, so no real shock!
So many loser hacks up and down the republican lineup, then you add in their family members.
I thought I recognised her: running from one room to the other in a panic.
🤢🤢
Probably seeking a handmaid for her husband.
@@psyborg4706It's like an old C&W song. Grifters gotta grift and liers gotta lie lie lie.
My question … why was this even allowed to be presented to the SCOTUS???? Ridiculous!!!! I don’t want to wear a seatbelt, so nobody else can wear one?
It has
That is the lamest explanation i think ive ever heard. Is this Hawley woman a doctor? Is she an ob/gyn? I am sick of politicians in our doctors exam room with us. In our bedrooms and our personal lives with us. We need to send them a message. Vote. We don't want you here in our personal lives.
She is a lawyer ;) that is why she was there... Doctors do not argue before the SCOTUS ;). ( not saying she is a good lawyer...just noting the answer to your question)
@@DaleHartleyand married to a certain Josh😂
Her cowardly husband helped fuel an insurrection against our government, they don't actually live in the state he "represents", but we are expected to live by the rules of these religious hypocrites?
She's married to Josh "Running Man" Hawley. That should tell you all you need to know.
No, she's a Reich Winger who thinks that lying egregiously does something that makes the brain believe nonsense. It's not true, of course, but they've gotta try...
The Church needs to get out of the government or start paying their fair share of taxes.........................
I also think the case is ridiculous both on standing grounds and on the merits. But let's be fair and accurate. The doctors' attorney wasn't saying that all people in the USA should be denied the drug because doctors "don't have time to wash their hands repeatedly". She was saying that the drug should be banned nationwide because in emergency situations, doctors who have lodged an objection to treating patients who have used the drug will not have the time or ability to acsertain whether or not a given patient has used the drug. Their argument is that the result of this in practice will be to force such doctors either to treat patients even when they may have used the drug (thus rendering the objection futile and ineffective in practice) or to refuse to treat any patients at all in emergency situations. My own view - and I think this is a no brainer - is that doctors (especially emergency doctors) have a manifest ethical obligation to take patients as they find them, and if doctors can't cope with that, then they shouldn't be practising medicine or surgery in a field where they may encounter emergency patients whose possible behaviours conflict with their beliefs. If their religious or conscience-based convictions are so strong that they have to supersede the doctor's duty to provide emergency treatment, then the doctors are free to restrict their practice to a private clinic that will only offer emergency interventions for patients who have been pre-screened before the emergency arises, they are free to find another specailty, or they are free to find another line of work. Utterly ridiculous to expect their personal beliefs to be accommodated by instead banning the whole population of the USA from using the drug, just because of the personal, non-medical and unscientific preferences of a few individual doctors about what they would like to do in entirely hypothetical situations.
Very well said
To add to that, even if the drug were banned... this wouldn't remove the possibility that a doctor might have to treat a patient who took it. People break the law.
The Plaintiffs couldn't cite specific, provable examples of previous harm done to Doctors by the administration of Mifepristone. Their "concerns" were all hypothetical. They stood before the SC, uniformed, unprepared and unserious, just like the unqualified Texas District Judge Kacsmaryk whose ruling was the catalyst for this being argued before the SC Justices.
DOCTORS IN TEXAS DONT WASH THIER HANDS HA
@@user-ss8iy2to6t schools in Texas don't teach spelling
@@35matinee They teach FOOTBALL!!!! Seriously ;) And that is NOT new, I learned 4 decades ago in school that all textbooks are geared towards the largest market, and that was Texas...and texas schools number one priority was to get their boys to play on the football fields...so they made the stuff easier then they needed to.
Now that MIGHT have changed in the past 40+ years but I doubt it.
They believe the case is in the bag already and they're just going through the motions! Next they will ban CONTRACEPTION! Don't say I didn't warn you!
Mandatory vasectomies
Why must every healthcare provider and patient in some way be banned from prescribing or using this medication for the sake of SEVEN healthcare providers WHO ALREADY HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT PRESCRIBING IT? Must EVERYONE suffer for the sake of the SEVEN?
Tyranny of the minority
...but they might have to treat a pregnant patient who took it, but said they didn't, or the doctor won't know until after scrubbing in that the patient took it, which will waste doctors' time, because they'd have to scrub in and out too often to avoid a possible abortion patient.
@@pamelaj.betz-baron2420 And then what? What does it matter if she took the pill if she's now in need of emergency care? Are these doctors just going to insist on letting her die?
This case is the handiwork of the Federalist Society. Those people are nuts. And rich.
How many ER doctors are treating people without clean hands. Ever had a doctor (these days) touch you without gloves? The argument is absurd
Surgeons. They were talking about emergency surgery. Everyone has to scrub up first. There is plenty about this case that is absurd (including one of the plaintiffs being a freaking dentist), and the argument that they can't "waste time" scrubbing up for a surgery they don't realize they are being "harmed" by performing, but if they're going into an OR, they do have to scrub up
Did I hear that one of the petitioners in this case (if that’s the right word for Ms Hawley’s clients) is a dentist???? Priceless!!!
Okay josh hawley. Nice try !! We will remember this in November!! For what your wife did…
Pls don’t speak to us women because we fight for our rights and for our daughters, sisters, nieces , cousins,and granddaughters!!
That's what happens when you elect clowns to govern.
What sort of third world country goes through this sort of politically led judicial stupidity.
a very backward third world country, but that is where America is at, maybe those 7 doctors should refuse to treat gunshot wounds to unless guns are banned!!
It's a GOOD thing that MSN/BC let go of Rhona Romney-McDaniel b/c I was ready to unsubscribe to ALL of them! NO ONE should have to sit and listen to a traitor!
I agree with you 100%! I almost unsubscribe all MSNBC family! I hate that Liar Ronna Romney McDonalds, Trump's favorite burger Big McDaniels
OK…? 🤷🏻♂️
Wrong video.
That's exactly what I was going to do.
Clueless big shots probably don't follow their own news. Token RNC head, why not? Then their phones started being so annoying out on the golf course....
Someone like Liz Cheney is an actual conservative. Romney's daughter was pure grifter.
Publish the names of the docs. We will make sure people don't fall into their orbits.
Boycott! And make them show ID to buy bread! 😎
No, you can't sue over future potential butt-hurt.
Fortunately,
Patients can!
It's called MALPRACTICE......
..... Are you really suggesting a person can preemptively sue a doctor for malpractice? Can you post a link to any case like this? @@michaeldiogenesbest6127
@michaeldiogenesbest6127
You sure about that?
Malpractice is acted upon after the event.
The OP is right, no-one gets to sue for a future event that has not happened yet.
🤣🤣
@@michaeldiogenesbest6127future malpractice? Never heard of that
2:53 - so much for the Hippocratic Oath… guess it doesn’t apply to MAGA doctors
One thing more known now since Dobbs is how often things go wrong with pregnancies. A huge irony is, that catastrophe that the theoretical doctors don't have time to get their gloves on for is EXACTLY what mifepristone might prevent!
We've always known how often things go wrong. Ask any woman over 40 how many of her friends and family have had complications, miscarriages, still births, live births but died within hours, emergency surgery, blood transfusions, nearly died... and you'll know pregnancy and birth are still high risk. It's just men with ideological barrows to push who don't want to know (and a few of their brainwashed women who do know but deny it unless it happens to them).
There can be no “good faith” arguments with Religious Fanatics! The Amerikkkan Taliban need to be taught that separation of church and state is there for a reason…and that includes the Taliban members of the Supreme Tribunal!
Didn't SCOTUS already decide that this was a state and not federal issue? They trying to back track on that?
Loophole. The group is suing the FDA claiming the new regulations were illegal
Why cant these people mind their own business and leave women to choose with their doctors about their own bodies.they are just hypercrites.
Conservatives have a sick need for control
Did Hawley's wife find a pill that would give her husband Courage?
The whole GOP could use some of those pills to stand up to the Orange clown.
19th century standards in womens' America.
All women should wake up, get registered, and vote. It would end this nonsense once and for all.
we need 2/3 senate and 2/3 house blue and a dem in the white house. enough of this silliness rooted in arcane behaviors.
Are dentists often prescribing abortion meds?
Not prescribing but doing abortions. That alone should have had the case tossed out.
If anyone is going to save America, it’s going to be smart black women. I, for one, am grateful.
Years ago Wanda Sykes had a joke about a dentist inquiring about her reproductive care. She says something along the lines of your business is in the attic what are you doing in my basement?!?
So once the woman has an unnecessary c section instead of just taking a medication, insurance will deem it unnecessary and not pay for it. The woman loses again because now she is responsible for a bill that could’ve easily been remedied by the medication
Gotta feed that money machine. 🤬
You're not being cynical.
I am an OR nurse. I wash my hands hundreds of times every day.
It takes too much time to brush your teeth, so no food for anyone...
OK, problem solved?
I agree, during COVID, I was blown away at how many medical professionals brought their political thinking to their practice.
apparantly this has been below the surface of some folks in medicine. its more obvious now.
NOTHING WORSE THAN A QWACK DOCTOR SAYING OOPS
We live in a very polarized time, and trump brought it all to the surface. I blame gerrymandering for allowing the more extreme views to take hold and not get rebuffed. You live in an echo chamber, now you can vote solely in that same echo chamber and never hear any opposing views until you accept it so much it is truth to you.
USED to be politicians had to please both sides at least a little to get elected.
Did they say 7 Doctors and Dentists? What emergency care is being done to patients by dentists that have anything to do with this drug?
So if I have a medical emergency as a result of a bad reaction to medication for blood pressure or seizure disorder, does that mean that all medications for blood pressure or seizure disorder should be banned? If a woman has a medical emergency as a result of a reaction to medication used for abortion, that does not mean the doctor is performing an abortion. The doctor is treating the body's reaction to the medication. This medication is also used to expel tissue after a miscarriage when the body doesn't fully rid itself. But, these "doctors" (and a dentist!?) should get the say so over the availability of the medication because of the possibility they may have to treat someone who is having an adverse reaction to the medication? Why is the court even hearing this case?
Because the crazy people brought it and the Supreme Court is bought and paid for. We shouldn’t be where we are but because these jurists took away our right to our bodies and here we are. Good reason to every single woman in the US needs vote.
Its like a vegan chef rocking up and asking federal court to ban the sale of meat nationwide on the grounds of a fear that in hypothetical situations there might be traces of meat in the produce delivered to their kitchen. EDIT... and federal district and appeals courts doing the chefs bidding
Better analogy: a doctor with religious objections to the consumption of beef (a real thing) could potentially be in the position of performing emergency surgery on a patient whose condition was caused by consuming beef, so beef must be banned.
@@Cog_Nomen excellent analogy
Thank you Justice Jackson for your insightful line of inquiry!
This case left me wondering how in the world Judge Matthew Kaczmarek ever even graduated from law school???
Everyone in America needs to find out if those seven doctors have a healthy supply of leeches as a poor performing leech might compromise your health care.
This is why its so important to research the candidates that we vote into office....
Why all the focus on Thomas, there are six unqualified perjurers on the Supreme Court.
Are you talking to those who LIED to congress about Roe v. Wade?
Mandatory vasectomies
Someone(s) asked why the Court had taken the case. Someone else offered Thomas's wish as a possible answer, though perhap a bit jokingly.
“And dentists”?!!? Omg whyyy did i not know that detail wow. Already obviously shameful - but also very embarrassing
We need to give President Biden the Congress he needs to expand SCOTUS and halt there right wing agenda of removing people's rights and deregulation. 🇺🇲🌊🌊🌊🇺🇲
If those doctors are simply arguing that they shouldn’t have to treat patients encountering (rare) complications after use of any abortion drug, especially emergency room physicians, then they should just stop practicing medicine. If you can’t suspend your personal beliefs and provide life-saving care to a patient, regardless of why they need that care, then you should not be practicing medicine. The point of emergency medicine is to save lives, regardless of the situation. And if they claim that a personal exemption is not enough, then they just need to get out of the field, or go do something like family practice.
In all my years working in healthcare, I have learned that you are going to have to do things you don’t want to do because a patient’s life may depend on it. Anyone who cannot handle that reality should not be working in healthcare. Your personal beliefs have no bearing on another person‘s medical treatment, especially when their life is at stake.
Those who are pro-life and not pro-life. They don't care about the mother's life or what happens when the child is born.
Having had almost 50 yrs experience in Emergency Trauma surgical environments, scrubbing-in is second nature, is simply part of the job. You guys on tv have to read-in, have hair & make-up, do a voice test. Surgical staff have to scrub-in. So what? Every job has some sort of prep work. 🤔
Thank you for speaking up and for what you do
This is so idiotic. We have so much more to really worry about.
Speaking of rogue judges, they also have another in South Florida.
The US judiciary system seems pettier every day.
Same will be applied to gender affirming care and vaccines. The extremism against medicine won't stop.
The logic here is emergency room doctors don't have time to scrub up before doing emergency room procedures! That would also apply to gunshot wounds, poisonings, etc. So they are arguing we must ban any potential poisons, guns, etc.!!! RIDICULOUS!
These doctors really need to pick a different profession. I wouldn't trust them to oversee any aspect of patient healthcare.
The issue I have always voted on was Abortion, I have since I was 17, I never believed it was settled law.
I don't think the Physicians, or anyone else should treat use, or interaction with a user of mifepristone, any differently than treating an overdose, treating
a gunshot, an injury sustained committing a crime, or any other medical issue. Its a medical issue. Your "faith" should not interfere with doing your job.
but the court does NOT have to take up the case if they did not want to
exactly right - we will see what happens
Their lawyer says that it's an endgame type situation; the doctor is harmed by waiting for approval for them to get permission not to treat this real, live, already born woman who is in an "emergency medical situation"
My question to them would be: what about the patient on the table?
These arguments not only are over broad, they show how distorted the logic is.
You would have to be insane to put any credibility to this filing but this is the Supreme Court now. Vote these people out of existance.
So they didn't present even one case of Mifepristone harming a patient? Even kids on high school debate teams know to be better prepared.
The question we should all be asking ourselves now is "Why is the 5th Circuit?"
Id venture to say that if you have objections to saving someone's life based on how they got there, you likely shouldn't be a doctor at all.
I think if a Christmas card from the Hawleys showed up in my mailbox I'd have to seriously rethink my life choices...even if it were there by accident.
They are disgusting people.
I’m so sick of holy rollers and their crap 💩 vote blue
Wouldn't it just be safer for everyone if instead of making the drug in question illegal they pulled the medical licenses of the 7 doctors in question?
How disgusting 🤢…
You vote. You win, get rid of these handmaid tale politicians!
maybe try to limit the number of idiots that hold power. maybe.
So, justices in one state can not make a law for the rest of the country (one state preventing Trump from the ballot based on the 14th amendment) but one single judge from Amarillo can ban drug in all states!!! Why are the liberal justices who raised the 14th amendment question, raising it for this issue as well??
Sounds like MONEY is more important to the doctors. C sections not humane care.
Doctors are DOCTORS, not God. It is not their choice who they treat, they are there to help ALL IN NEED. If they dont like that, choose another profession !
I just don’t know what is happening to this country. I wonder if it’s even safe to stay here anymore.