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I am 15 years old and nobody in my family camps. So everything I have learned I have learned from Mr Canterbury. I still have never been camping, partly because i didn't have any gear and because i didnt have a place to camp. But i do now and will be camping soon. Thank you Mr Canterbury. And great timing on the winter gear video. I live in South Texas and it just snowed for the first time in thirty years.
Don't forget flea markets, thrift shops and yard sales. I picked up a Pendleton wool shirt in excellent condition for ten dollars.
I live in northern Sweden, I wear American clothes when I'm out in the bush :D Fjällräven is overpriced IMHO
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Great content Dave, thank you, your school, and your family for providing this quality year after year.
I love Dave’s pragmatic wisdom of the world about where stuff is made. Support your country where you can but do what you can afford.
Being that I am not only a woodsman but, also a snowboarder and a skier I really enjoyed this video. Thankyou Dave
Dave, this is a great video. I talk to folks a lot about carrying extra socks on hikes or adventure travel, for the same reason you mentioned. Also, a fresh pair of wool socks can really help put a bit of spring back into your step. Thanks for all you do.
Comprehensive content is hard to come by. I'm sure your army of subscribers will agree, you've not left a stone unturned in this video.
Much appreciated.
God bless you and your loved ones.
Kind regards
Andy.
Great Video, Awesome Clothes, But certainly not for the common man, you have about $2,000 in clothes there, great jacket but $500. is more than most can afford to knock around in the woods, I will have to stick with army surplus and lower costs.........although i would like to have many of these clothes myself. Maybe future video of clothes for the common man in the winter time........
I thought I was the only one who ever paid attention to the prices of clothing . it has to be called now at these prices elitist gear who would have ever thought that from Dave . Have no idea what my relative Daniel Boone gear cost. Happy trails
Levies pants, flannel shirt, canvas jacket, and some good boots And I have never hunted in camo never ever and the deer have never called me out for it just fall down dead . Happy Trails
You might be very surprised in Boonesboro a man received 1 pair of pant and 2 shirts per year, the cost of Linen was high but cotton was much higher. Many times you could tell the worth of a Woodsman by how many hunting shirts he had hanging on the walls of his cabin, I would venture to say that by comparison clothing was much more expensive then than now, and Boone wore some pretty fancy duds according to all accounts-
I've been there, also to the Boone gatherings since the late 50's can't remember the year but I'm 74 now and still going at it . As for his clothes it must of been in between him going broke over and over through the years but I have no regrets being a Boone I'm the last one in our clan my son had an anerisum at 42 real bummer . Sometime life just sucks . But on we go , the comments were not made as disperraging . But I will tell you one thing I have never joined the bush craft legions it just pisses me of some guy in Australia comes up with the name and all of a sudden camping is redefined and accepted all over the world . It has been a long held custom in hour family to do these things that are attributed to only bush crafting it just sets me off but at least I could be wrong but many more are enjoying the out door life as it should be . But I can say that many we meet on the trails in the mountains here in California are totally clueless to the perils of hiking and camping there just total Dunder heads they have there 300 dollars packs fare more gear than you need .they are the clueless ones as Eva has named them they only learn the hard way . take care stay safe and PROSPER . Happy Trails
O agree on the whole BUSHCRAFT thing brother
Speaking of commando, I tend to rely heavily on military surplus and quality aftermarket milspec items. WAY cheaper, usually top notch functionality. Of course, no pay for endorsement, though.
Dan Gray I wear both
Words of wisdom on an important topic. I agree that a combination of high end and low end gear works the best for a variety of conditions. Thanks Dave, you always teach us something worthwhile. I really like that field jacket too.
A lot of good information Dave thanks for sharing. You did touch on it a little; but I think you should have put a bit more emphasis on the three Ls of cold weather wear, Loose, Layered and Loft. As both my Father and Winter Survival trainer in the USMC told me only your base layer should be snug; and that only just snug, never tight.
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Your preference for going commando was more info than we needed Dave lol.
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If I go commando, it's usually when in wearing no pants either. Maybe a Scottish skirt.
Being in Montana we get cold, real cold - 50 sometimes. But during hunting season in Nov about 20 deg. sometimes colder. I wear a old Woolrich red and black virgin wool coat wool pants and snow packs if snow is on the ground. Head gear is either a cowboy hat or fedora, if colder a bomber hat. Most my gear was older gear by hunters long retired but still useable.
MontanaMountainMen Some of the best, sounds like.
Wool socks is the only thing I have ever worn in the military. To my knowledge it's the only thing they issued to us. On long marches it is your own responsibility to take care of yourself and when your feet sweat and you take a five minute break it's best to switch them out to prevent blisters and half hitch the wet pair to your LBE or ruck to dry and they will be ready for the next change out. Always worked for me and never had a blister ever.
Excellent discussion on an extremely important topic. I own several items made by Fjallraven and while they weren't cheap, they are of excellent quality. I REALLY like the looks of the Fjallraven anorak but haven't gotten my hands on it yet. Maybe I'll get lucky sooner or later. The Lester River Boreal Shirt has been one of my best clothing investments ever.
i hate how unprepared you make me feel. thanks for the vids SENSEI
I'm a carpenter and work in the elements and when it gets cold I've used the same set of clothes for 15 years and still going strong a little faded and worn but still good enough. Remington bib overalls. And Bear Creek jacket both camouflage got them both at Sam's can no longer find the Bear Creek that I bought years ago. The whole outfit cost about $150 extremely cheap for that long of time. Every year I say I'm getting a new pair but I just don't and keep it and it still works.
Support Wigwam gear, WI based and USA made apparel. It's pretty much covered, quality gear for extreme temps to normal and between conditions. I've known some good employees who worked their, they supported my family business and I will keep supporting our WI based manufacturer!!!!
Thank you Dave for this video. Great tips!
On a completely different subject since you do spend a fair amount of time in the wilderness environment what do you do to protect yourself from ticks? Especially Limes disease. Here in Central Pennsylvania this has quickly become an epidemic. If you have time to make a video on this I think all of us wilderness lovers could benefit from your input an this important topic.
Thank you Dave!
Not sure how one could go commando, OUCH! Nice threads Dave. The Lester River Boreal is the best piece of clothing I own. Mine is several years old and I couldn't speak more highly of it. Worth every cent!
Still one of the best discussions about cold weather clothing.
I watched this video years ago but after moving to Ohio it's even more important
Great video, especially the advice to keep price in perspective. Too many people get bogged own in buying the absolute best, and end up pricing themselves out of the market. As you said, buy the best your purse can afford and work your way up.
Lots of good stuff out there, just got to find what works best for the individual. I love military gear, if it’s good enough for our boys in a combat zone, then it’s good enough for me. Good video Dave!
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Me too my friend. Especially canvas and wool and some boots. Great quality at a fraction of the initial costs paid by the government.
I would like a Russian army Gorka jacket. Made of tent material. Be a good thing for our windy fall through spring here in Oklahoma.
Doesn't make sense- a lot of decisions are made on a budget level in the military.
Thank you for the pointers. I'm still getting into and becoming more serious about outdoor gear and hiking so this was very helpful.
Loved the section about countries that make gear. Great comments.
My friend who grew up and lived in the mountains of South Carolina always told me if you ever start deer hunting you will learn to appreciate some of that cold weather gear that even though costs more is absolutely critical to keep you comfortable and alive ......
Here in the UK some of the warmest clothing is that which we wear for winter beach fishing at night, often consisiting of high bib and brace trousers cover the heart and back with a long jacket and hood. Things like neoprene cuffs and long zips for ventilation in case you get your layers wrong. They are salt water proof usually. Insulation value can be seen by frost on the outside. With the feet in and out sea water I find high socks are key. If I'm not mistaken the calf action contributes to cardio action so high socks can help overall feel good.
Man. I hear you talking about your hands in cold weather. I love the outdoors. I have Raynauds phenomenon. It's 70 degrees in the room i'm in and my skin temperature on my fingers is about 50 degrees. That made things really suck when i was in the Marine Corps.
Man I am the prophet of wool socks. I bought some crew hiker wool socks and decided I'd never wear cotton socks again. Now I've got some winter boot socks that are thicker and longer for winter. In alaska this winter and my feet have never been cold. Matter of fact, like Dave was saying, the mucks I wear make my feet sweat like mad and wool socks really help keep from getting wet feet in the process.
Listen to this dude when he tells you about what to wear, he spends alot of time out and about.
Edit: Everybody in my family also wears these socks now because I bought them a couple of pairs for christmas one year. they now also swear by them.
Excellent advice, especially the hands and feet, gear and use analyses. If your hands and feet aren't happy, no one is happy. Oh. Safety tip: When pounding spikes or other nailing, try not to hold the nail knuckles up. Try to hold it palm up, gently tapping to set it then hand away and pound it hard. I've driven hundreds of 8'+ ground rods with hundreds of hits each. We've had many broken or severely injured fingers and hands from the habit of hitting things hard while your hand holds them.
I agree with "buy what you can afford", It just makes sense. I make do with cheaper things (within my budget at the moment) but they do wear out faster. The exception is the Lester River Bushcraft 100% Wool Boreal Shirt. I GOTTA GET ONE OF THOSE!!!!! lol I'll bet I could fall in a creek or river here in the PNW wearing one and I'll not "freeze" per say. Thanks for the winter gear video. Definitely gonna look at the underwear you swear by, cause the other "cheaper" ones don't work out so well here in the mountain areas. (winter time, of course)
The Lester River is an investment but worth every penny. You won't regret it.
Dave, thank you for the great review. I have found that the company Big Bill, based in Canada, makes some good quality wool pants that are affordable for a common person who considers important to have warm cloths. I once got them wet below freezing temperature. I stayed warm and was able to dry them by the fire while still having them on me. I use a green model that has no cargo pockets. I can use suspenders but it is not absolutely necessary. I am not associated with this company in any way. I am just a happy customer.
Thank you Dave.
....and Mr Dave they are warm, definitely the best for me as well. Thanks for the videos.
I have a rabbit fur Ushanka for below freezing weather. It has a quilted liner in it. I have never had anything as warm or comfortable as real fur.
Great info. I find that fleece gloves work better than wool in relatively mild winters but wet and windy like in UK.
Thanks for the knowledge Dave!
The burrrr month's are almost over when the real cold will make it's appearance. Strong, cold winds mixed with various types of precipitation can be warded off just as you say. Layering with materials that can be easily shed or put back on depending on the extent of energy one is expending. I find having a light weight water proof shell great for wet conditions but also a good wind break and the "Elmer Fudd" hats are great to wear along with a hood that may not be insulated and helps keep rain and snow from directly hitting the face.
Dave thanks for taken the time to explain what you are Wearing. It helped..
Look up "extreme cold weather mitten set" where military surplus is sold. They are a low cost alternative to your beaver and deer over mitten. They are sold in two versions with or without trigger finger. The set comes with the Mitten and the quilted removable liner. They list the harness as included but it probably wont be. Use a piece of cordage to run inside your jacket sleeves to connect the two. I use them while moving snow. Over mitten with a pair of smaller leather mittens inside with mechanics style work gloves inside in case I have to have dexterity
Bought a pair of sturdy canvas Arctic Fleece coveralls at a Dive Shop to wear under my dry suit while extreme cold water diving. Functions just as well on land, without dry suit of course, with only a set of sweats underneath & faux fur lined Muk-Luks on the dogies. Stay warm & dry all day.
Fjallraven gear is worth the money. Agreed on changing your socks and base layers when you stop on winter hikes.
Love the gear reviews. It helps from making impulse purchases. I find good items at the SPCA, Goodwill and sometimes the Salvation Army. People grow out of things or move on to other types of clothing and donate well worth purchasing items.
I agree with your statements for winter clothing. Spot on with wool too. Although I don't bother with Fjallraven whatsoever, in my opinion they are just a trendy brand cashing in on the bushcraft name. I love my fox river rag wool gloves though as they are marvelous in winter for deflecting the cold. I too generally always wear wool socks every day except maybe when playing sports in the summer. Here in Canada we have the brand Stanfield's which I'm sure you've heard of but if not it is from the same province that you are Cody did the first episode. They also have wool union suits which are pretty much top notch. Also I like how you refer to the toque as a toboggan - I found that quite humourous so thank you for the good chuckle and valuable information!
I prefer the lifetime guarantee of Darn Tough wool socks. Large initial investment cost (~$25/pair), but they are made in Vermont and if you break them or they wear out, they'll replace for free without a hassle. I have an assortment, everything from lightweight ones with little cushion to full blown kneehigh mountaineering ones for deep winter adventures. Once you experience a non-itchy wool sock you'll want to replace your entire sock stable with them.
Thanks Dave
Finding quality outdoor clothing is hard in the USA. I have spent lots of money on what is called outdoor clothing such as Columbia only to be disapointed 2 years down the line. You haven't steered me wrong yet.
Woolnet is the best. It's not too warm when you walk or work and keep you warmer than thin wool underear. Wool net dry up faster than thin wool underwear too. There is a reason for why the Norwegian defense force issues woolnet to their soldiers. When the woolnet get wet you pull it over the wool sweater to dry it on the body and change to a new shirt. Norway have the worst winter environment. Wind, rain and moisture in the air, around +3 to 0 Celsius at sea level and 30 minus on the mountains and inland. Everyone who have participated in the military exercise: Cold Response, you know what I'm talking about. It's wool, wool and wool covering the entire body. Together with Aalesund rain gear, it's the only thing that works if there is rain and wind around +3 to 0 Celsius. I recommend Aalesund rain coat and Molde pants. For heavy work you should use Aalesund pants. Of cause green color. I use this every day and have done so for 9 years straight now.
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Excellent knowledge and experience as always brother! Thanks for sharing this! Best wishes friend 👍🏽👍🏽
Dave Interesting video, great subject for this time of year, it is snowing here in NJ now so it's right on time. Your delivery is outstanding on the subjects you pass on. Enjoy all your video's take care Merry Chrismas to you and all your family.
Dave is for real. There's so many candy ass mail order "survival experts" out there. Thanks Dave
I'm from dayton ohio area I live in ocala florida now you said you lived in florida at one time so I need information on eatable plants here I changed one client to a nother but afraid of what to eat in the bush here I'm 65 years old spent my life in the woods I have learned more from you then any one keep it up freind grat advice
Having a military background, I often go for what I know. One item I just love are the Air Force sleep shirts. Fantastic undergarments. Hard to find, but they come up on eBay and I've stocked up on those. I went skiing a few years back in my Air Force Gore-Tex over-pants and jacket and found them to be awesome (if not very stylish on the slopes) for their resistance to water soaking. I've bought some things, like Fire Hose pants and flannel shirts, from Duluth Trading that are radically durable and beefy that I like very much, even though a bit pricey. One more thing: the Boy Scouts who go to Philmont swear by Merino wool socks for comfort and warmth for the 7, 10, and 21 day hikes.
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The newer gear from the USMC is amazing.
The only thing I found that is comparable to the undergarments from the military would be merino wool. It is a miracle fabric. I have bought some verusteleka. Their prices in merino is the best I have been able to find.
What I like about the sleep shirts are the collars. They can be unzipped and open, zipped up into a turtleneck, or rolled down once for a snug fit around the neck. For me, if my neck is cold, I'm cold. Sam's club has some of the merino wool undergarments. I may have to take a look. I bought a set of those grid fleece undergarments at the military clothing store a few years back, and they are nice. I wore them on a ski trip.
The best way to keep your hands, feet and body warm whilst outdoors in winter is just exercise. I went out in -2 C today Pheasant/Woodpigeon shooting and i wore a t shirt, thin summer work trousers and a quality jacket with a waxed canvas baseball cap. I still broke out in a sweat. For gloves i find mechanix gloves are excellent, just enough dexterity so it's bearable to keep them on but they keep your hands surprisingly warm and protect them going through thorny brush looking for birds. I find sitting around in such temperatures a problem regardless of what you wear.
I agree with balancing the inexpensive with the more costly. Comfort is everything.
I feel a bit of pity, not in a bad way, for you lot having to deal with deep cold, having to spend so much time in preparation in keeping warm. I learn a lot from you for if I ever have to deal with that sort of low temperature, yet am happy I can wear shorts and a t-shirt during the middle of winter.
I couldnt agree ANYMORE with your approach to the high-end Gear & Fjallraven Vidda Pro's (& also their Keb's) are BOTH ABSOLUTELY written down on my Gear 'Wish List' that Im saving up towards- along w/ a BUNCH of other stuff like the Lester River- 'Bushcraft Boreal Wool Annorak' too! You're SPOT ON w/ the best sh*t out & that DONT just mean the most expensive! It's high quality stuff that WILL last almost forever & IS worth the chunk of change & I suggest just dont look back cause you'll be happy with it if & when you get out there & use it! Its NOT like Custom Knives where your necessarily paying for the prestige in the name along the quality + materials & the price goes up because how it was crafted but with a pretty similar inexpensive mass produced option also available of very good quality like Mora Knives that people choose to buy instead of the Mora's... Fjallraven for instance is innovative & putting out top notch stuff 'lapping the pack' of other outdoor brands (you might ONLY want another pair of the same pants cause you want another color not cause they're shot) & if so- you SHOULD AT LEAST get a few years worth of your money's worth! So anyone else b*tching just for the sake of b*tching & not even gonna try these things out b4 they knock it.. & go cheapo & stay cheapo- enjoy speading about the same amount of $ on duplicates (in the long run) while NOT being as comfortable & prepared as possible while being outside & doing what you/we enjoy! Be safe everybody (& anybody that ACTUALLY reads this!) 😆
Good topic and discussion. I made a video last year on what I wear in the subarctic region of Canada. Thrift stores are a gold mine for inexpensive wool garments. I find the best way to regulate my body temperature on the fly is by simply removing my toque or unzipping my jacket.👍
Duluth trading company has some superb winter gear. They are however not common man priced. But well worth the money.
Christopher Harts: I bought a Duluth Trading Co. hunting jacket at a yard sale for $10. Plenty of ammo pockets, looks good, but not quite warm enough for deep winter weather. Upon closer inspection I also noticed it was made in China.
You should try the military micro fleece watch caps. I have the coyote brown one. I love it. I also wear Wrangler fleece lined pants this time of year. Not the best quality but a great price.
Great content, especially on the boots. I usually do a lot of distance and hence wear Meindl or comparable hiking boots - even those, with all the fancy Gore-Tex type of technology they will get sweaty in combination with wool socks. Once had my spare socks getting wet up in alpine territory, that alone made the night a pretty uncomfortable one. :)
Great discussion mr Canterbury.
Great info Dave, much appreciated.
Don't overlook thrift shops / goodwill stores for quality wool clothing - often quality old-school tailored office jackets and especially wool suit pants for just a few bucks ( $6 in the UK anyway ). Don't pay for dry cleaning. Instead buy 'dry clean only' wool pants 2 sizes larger than you normally wear and chuck in the washer. They will shrink in the washer around 3 inches in both leg and waist and hopefully come out around the correct size for you. The wool felt will fluff up and thicken like a thin wool blanket around your legs - very warm, wind proof and fire resistant. Or military surplus wool clothing from the 1970s.
Awsome video Dave, great information and look into what works for the long haul. I totally agree that if you invest in your clothing and weather turns bad your going to be glad you did. Thanks bud, there's that I flannel I told ya about haha
Good information. The old US army wool scarves are also very warm and adaptable for a reasonable cost.
Hi Dave, it's good to see another fantastic video. Hope you and your family have a great Christmas 👍.
Well done. Watched a few other high subscriber channels and they start with I use Cotten base layer - fail. Absolutely not. This was solid info.
Excellent clothing review, on a lot of nice made gear. Enjoy your store and discount for black Friday, & christmas purchases! I have placed three orders thru your company, thank you Dave for the holiday discount! Happy Holidays!
Dave
do you ever use any of 5.11's products, if so id love to hear your thoughts and experiences.
living in central Arizona 4500 FT elevation. i wear the 5.11 taclite pro pants all the time out in the bush. so far they are the best pant i can find for the climate im in.
Fjällräven, hill fox.
It is good to have somewhere to stow all of this gear. My many month journeys mean that I have a limit to what I can take, with the option of buying something if needed, but... still have to carry it, still have to fit it in a bag.
Great breakdown of your system ! Thank you and hope you and yours have a safe and healthy holiday season ! Peace
Nice overview, tnx for sharing.
Hey Dave, it would be useful if you could provide spelling on the names of the companies you are speaking about. I found them, but had to exercise my Google Fu to get there. Other than that great videos and info, thanks a lot.
Jonathan Barron fjallraven & sasta
verestekula is the finnish army surplus site in finland that ship to the usa ask fjallraven if they sell 2nds from their factory as their retail prices are high
nice gear but you need to 2nd mortgage the house to be able to buy it i make my own gear using same materials for a fraction of the cost!!
but you have to be patient with a machine and needle!!
He spelled one of them. The other is Fjallraven.
Gee how I miss the quality of life in the States, it's hell over here in Scotland, everything is expensive and the quality is crap over here on everything, Iused to get these little spun aluminum flashlights over there which had a laser pointer, gooseneck led and came with three batteries and I could get them for two dollars a piece off of a guy I knew, I used to give them to everybody, now here in Scotland it is more cash for stupid plastic junk. They say a bad workman blames his tools, but the truth is you always do a better job with quality tools, I would say a workman is only as good as his tools, Great post Dave, all the best.
Great discussion Dave. Have a few items from Fjallraven, worth every penny and totally happy with my Sarek Winter Jacket made in Asia. Great quality control. Amen on the Vidda Pro pants, best pair of pants I ever owned.
Costco just had a sale on the 33 degree base layer top & bottoms, $9.99 each
good video Dave, pricey stuff but awesome gear.. would be much better if they wasnt 250$ or more, i dont understand why they are so much when duluth makes almost same thing for 80$...great breakdown of what works... love your videos and hope to see many more
Carhart flannel lined work pants are my personal favorite winter outdoor pants
If you can get a pair of older Kaufman/Sorrel Frontier boots that were made in Canada I would. Best boots I've ever owned for cold weather. I like Muck Boots and own a pair. But for colder weather the older Kaufman/Sorrels are great.
Great info. as always brother
love that your dog is on century duty, RAH!
Any chance you could provide links to the gear you mention in the description of the video??
I’ve been wanting one of those wool sweaters. I’ve got both danner and Salomon. Both are great but salomon is much lighter
Minus 33 has 3 weights, which ones do you use & like here in Ohio? Good wool pants are extremely hard to find.
Thanks Dave for the video
Thank you...very well done! I just wish you would have mentioned the approx. prices of the items, since expressions like "expensive" or "inexpensive" are very relative. Just the other day I asked in a shop for inexpensive leather gloves and got presented a pair for $ 99.00...(for me, not inexpensive, for the shopkeeper on the other hand...well the average leather glove there was $ 200.00...Thank you for understanding!
Highly informative video, thank you very much!
Wool clothing, wool blanket and army stuff - the rest you can keep - I bought a 1982 US parka with sheep skin - in case the tarp is not enough 😂
Always good to see another video from Dave!
The jacket you are wearing looks really cool.
Dave , another informative video , send me link to the dark grayish black cap and gloves , we got snow in south Louisiana 😊
Outstanding
Yup Dave your right your out there and good quality is first thought the weekend guy can get by with jeans and stuff less expensive ! I did a yr and a half out in the woods ! No shit did it with mil surp that's what I had and that's it and it took a lot of repair m 65 ripped a few places bdus wore and ripped cargo pockets worked great for that !! But that was top of the line then ! Not saying its not good ! But it had to have come a long way in quality now so ! If you do spend time in the woods you are better off with good quality or go with a great needle and spool of thread lol take care brother
Very nice info. I'm ordering some minus 33 this winter.
I’ve noticed in some of your latest videos all of the Fjallraven clothing and gear. Are you gonna become a dealer Dave?, if so that would be awesome.
Good info. Also, one should not balk at buying military surplus, especially foreign military surplus. Much of it can be obtained at a very low cost, and much of it is actually real good quality.
Curious what that knife is, looks like a traditional puukko.
Those beaver mitts must be like ovens. I have moose mitts and they are really warm and tough, but would love a pair of those one day. They would pretty much be a frostbite insurance policy.
I wear wool socks all year too, but the wigwams i got at Gander mountain have relatively low wool counts. We have whats called rural king around here, and they have wool blend socks that are a much higher percentage of wool and cheaper costs than Wigawam. Might be worth looking into, You can probably find the brand and then buy on amazon.
Also the asian clothing markets, its not the quality of work, as it is the materials used. Its a lower quality of the same material as the good stuff. Especially with Leathers and wool and such.